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Joseph J. Charles

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Sep 3, 1993, 10:25:08 AM9/3/93
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Someone asked whether or not the _A CLOCKWORK ORANGE_ was on video.

Not only is it on VHS, the versions I have rented have been letterboxed
so that the entire frame fits on the TV screen. The letterboxing is very
slight since the movie was not shot in widescreen format, but it is
there nonetheless. Check it out.
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Mr P R Hardy

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Sep 10, 1993, 1:02:05 PM9/10/93
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In article <1993Sep3.1...@kodak.rdcs.kodak.com>,

cha...@sunshine.Kodak.COM (Joseph J. Charles) writes:
>Someone asked whether or not the _A CLOCKWORK ORANGE_ was on video.
>
>Not only is it on VHS, the versions I have rented have been letterboxed
>so that the entire frame fits on the TV screen. The letterboxing is very
>slight since the movie was not shot in widescreen format, but it is
>there nonetheless. Check it out.

AAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRFFFFFFFNNNNNNGGGGGGGG!!!!!

(Sounds of British newsreaders gnashing teeth in envy at Americans who
actually have (legal) access to this sort of thing. Yes, I do know why, but
that doesn`t mean I can`t get extremely annoyed about it...)


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Sep 10, 1993, 2:20:21 PM9/10/93
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|> AAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRFFFFFFFNNNNNNGGGGGGGG!!!!!
|>
|> (Sounds of British newsreaders gnashing teeth in envy at Americans who
|> actually have (legal) access to this sort of thing. Yes, I do know why, but
|> that doesn`t mean I can`t get extremely annoyed about it...)

At midnight (tonight, friday sep. 10) I am going to watch A Clockwork Orange at
the cinema.

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Mr P R Hardy

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Sep 10, 1993, 3:13:14 PM9/10/93
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In article <1993Sep10.1...@ugle.unit.no>,

tho...@kjemi.unit.no (Thomas Skogestad . Kjemiteknikk) writes:
>At midnight (tonight, friday sep. 10) I am going to watch A Clockwork Orange
>at the cinema.

NUKE NORWAY.

(bloody foreigners, able to watch a quintissentially British film when real
live Britons can`t. Grrrrr)

Alex Lopez-Ortiz

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Sep 10, 1993, 6:51:17 PM9/10/93
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In article <1993Sep10.1...@ugle.unit.no>, tho...@kjemi.unit.no (Thomas
Skogestad . Kjemiteknikk) writes:
> |> AAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRFFFFFFFNNNNNNGGGGGGGG!!!!!
> |>
> |> (Sounds of British newsreaders gnashing teeth in envy at Americans who
> |> actually have (legal) access to this sort of thing. Yes, I do know why,
> but
> |> that doesn`t mean I can`t get extremely annoyed about it...)
>
> At midnight (tonight, friday sep. 10) I am going to watch A Clockwork Orange
> at
> the cinema.

Clockwork Orange is supposed to be a statement about violence and individual
freedom. I wonder whther most people get the message.

I know for sure that in my local art cinema, most viewers of "The Wall"
think of it as just a nice music video, with no message at all.

Many of them just go to see the movie so they can cheer during the
credits....


Alex

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Brendon Woodford

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Sep 11, 1993, 9:13:02 PM9/11/93
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In article <26qjka$i...@garlic.csv.warwick.ac.uk>, en...@csv.warwick.ac.uk

(Mr P R Hardy) wrote:

> In article <1993Sep10.1...@ugle.unit.no>,
> tho...@kjemi.unit.no (Thomas Skogestad . Kjemiteknikk) writes:
> >At midnight (tonight, friday sep. 10) I am going to watch A Clockwork Orange
> >at the cinema.
>
> NUKE NORWAY.
>
> (bloody foreigners, able to watch a quintissentially British film when real
> live Britons can`t. Grrrrr)
>
> --

Hey, I thought that the movie was never going to be released for T.V. in
whatever shape or form,
or on video. I imagine the version our friend from norway has seen may be a
illicit copy.
That sort of movie has an impact that is definately not for the young.
When it first came here the it was an R21 then in 1991 it was R20 then in
1992 R18 and that
in my mind is where it should be.

Anthony Horan

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Sep 12, 1993, 8:23:25 PM9/12/93
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In article <cosc352-12...@139.80.160.238>, Brendon Woodford writes:

> In article <26qjka$i...@garlic.csv.warwick.ac.uk>, en...@csv.warwick.ac.uk
> (Mr P R Hardy) wrote:
>
> > tho...@kjemi.unit.no (Thomas Skogestad . Kjemiteknikk) writes:
> > >At midnight (tonight, friday sep. 10) I am going to watch A Clockwork Orange
> > >at the cinema.
> >

> > (bloody foreigners, able to watch a quintissentially British film when real
> > live Britons can`t. Grrrrr)
>

> Hey, I thought that the movie was never going to be released for T.V. in
> whatever shape or form,
> or on video. I imagine the version our friend from norway has seen may be a
> illicit copy.

Errm, he said "AT THE CINEMA". Next!

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Juergen Weinelt

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Sep 13, 1993, 2:54:20 AM9/13/93
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In article <dOUxt*w...@xymox.apana.org.au> (Mon, 13 Sep 1993 01:23:25 AEST) Anthony Horan (ant...@xymox.apana.org.au) wrote:
> In article <cosc352-12...@139.80.160.238>, Brendon Woodford writes:

> > Hey, I thought that the movie was never going to be released for T.V. in
> > whatever shape or form,
> > or on video. I imagine the version our friend from norway has seen may be a
> > illicit copy.

> Errm, he said "AT THE CINEMA". Next!

And I can definitely say that the German pay tv channel "Premiere" is currently
showing ACO...

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Leif Magnar Kj|nn|y

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Sep 13, 1993, 7:07:07 AM9/13/93
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In article <2715es$q...@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> rzu...@wrzx02.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (Juergen Weinelt) writes:
>In article <dOUxt*w...@xymox.apana.org.au> (Mon, 13 Sep 1993 01:23:25 AEST) Anthony Horan (ant...@xymox.apana.org.au) wrote:
>> In article <cosc352-12...@139.80.160.238>, Brendon Woodford writes:
>
>> > Hey, I thought that the movie was never going to be released for T.V. in
>> > whatever shape or form,
>> > or on video. I imagine the version our friend from norway has seen may be a
>> > illicit copy.
>
>> Errm, he said "AT THE CINEMA". Next!
>
>And I can definitely say that the German pay tv channel "Premiere" is currently
>showing ACO...
>

And I can definitely say that I've seen "A Clockwork Orange" on TV in
the USA and on video (both rented and privately owned copies) here in
Norway. Plus, it was just shown in the theater here in town this
weekend... so nyaah, nyaah, nyaah... :-P

-Leif.


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Kristen Mirenda

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Sep 13, 1993, 11:22:07 PM9/13/93
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These aren't really "cultish", except in that really good films and
directors acquire devotees...

My 2 lire:

"8 1/2" and "La Dolce Vita" (Fellini, early '60s)
two absolute Fellini classics with the incomparable Marcello M.
Required viewing.

"Swept Away" (Lina Wertmuller, mid-'70s)
a working-class communist man and an arrogant aristocratic woman get
stuck on a desert island together. Lots of gender- and class-warfare.
Lots of sex. I actually find this movie very, very funny. Might spark a
heated discussion on gender roles, depending whom you see it with.

"Seven Beauties" (Lina W. again)
Much more somber than "Swept Away", it's about a street hood who
joins the army in WWII and gets captured by the Germans. He will do
ANYTHING to survive, no matter what the cost to his pride.

"The Bicycle Thief" (Vittorio DeSica, late '40s)
An unemployed man struggling to feed his family is offered a job (and
hence dignity) for which he must have a bicycle. Then the bicycle is
stolen, and he combs the city searching for it. Devastating. THE classic
of Italian neo-Realism.

"Umberto D." (DeSica again)
About a little old man who is alone except for his dog. Would make an
excellent but EXTREMELY depressing double feature with "Bicycle Thief".
Another neo-Realist classic.

"Roma, Citta Aperta" (Roberto Rossellini, mid-'40s)
AKA "Rome, Open City" or just "Open City".
Shot during wartime, almost documentary-style, about a group of
anti-Fascist resisters. Another classic of early Italian cinema.

IMHO avoid anything by Pier Paolo Pasolini. Some think he was a genius, I
just think he's proof that poets shouldn't make movies.

I recently rented Lucino Visconti's "The Damned" (about early Nazis) which
I found very flawed but compelling. Several years ago I saw his "Ludwig"
which was certainly more polished but, at about 4 hours long, quite a
bore. Does anyone know why Visconti seems drawn to German subjects? (I am
thinking also of his filming of "Death in Venice"). *k*
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Andrew Wong

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Sep 14, 1993, 1:10:12 AM9/14/93
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Well, I'm stuck in the US for a year on an exchange programme - and
guess what - I can't find A Clockwork Orange anywhere ! If there
is some kind soul who's willing to post me a copy of it then I'd
do almost anything.....(Apart from listen to Beethoven)

And for us fellow Brits, I have access to a NTSC-PAL converter.... ;-)
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Andrew Deemer

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Sep 14, 1993, 10:33:18 AM9/14/93
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'Amarcord' Another Fellini film, and although it is not as great as La
Dolche Vita or 8 1/2, it is definately worth seeing as it is mostly
autobiographical and the various characters in the small village are
extraordinary.


'Volere Volare' is relatively new, from the same crew who made 'The Icicle
Thief'. It's reminiscent of Roger Rabbit in the use of live action mixed
with animation, but instead looks at the effect turning into a 'toon has
on a human being. Although I didn't like it, the friends I saw it with
loved it lots, so I don't dismiss it at all.


Wasn't 'The Seventh Seal' Italian? I haven't seen it, but it's supposed
to be the best film ever made.

Bob Erkamp

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Sep 14, 1993, 1:26:54 PM9/14/93
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In article <273dcv$g...@panix.com>, mir...@panix.com (Kristen Mirenda) writes:
>These aren't really "cultish", except in that really good films and
>directors acquire devotees...
>
[stuff deleted]

>
>"The Bicycle Thief" (Vittorio DeSica, late '40s)
> An unemployed man struggling to feed his family is offered a job (and
> hence dignity) for which he must have a bicycle. Then the bicycle is
> stolen, and he combs the city searching for it. Devastating. THE classic
> of Italian neo-Realism.
>

Then watch "Icicle Thief" a most interesting takeoff from this movie. Was "Diva"
Italian? Even if it wasn't you should check it out.

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Kristen Mirenda

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Sep 14, 1993, 8:41:18 PM9/14/93
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>>"The Bicycle Thief" (Vittorio DeSica, late '40s)
>> An unemployed man struggling to feed his family is offered a job (and
>> hence dignity) for which he must have a bicycle. Then the bicycle is
>> stolen, and he combs the city searching for it. Devastating. THE classic
>> of Italian neo-Realism.

>Then watch "Icicle Thief" a most interesting takeoff from this movie. Was
>"Diva" Italian? Even if it wasn't you should check it out.

Actually, I was psyched for "Icicle Thief" (I love a good parody) but
I was very disappointed. As for "Diva", it's French (Jean-Jaques Bieniex,
circa 1982), and yes, I've seen it many times -- I've even got the poster
on the wall behind me. A very stylish and funny film -- and this from a
person who HATES French film. *k*

gai...@ccrs.emr.ca

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Sep 14, 1993, 8:57:32 PM9/14/93
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>>"The Bicycle Thief" (Vittorio DeSica, late '40s)
Good one too.

Try "Allegro non troppo". Quite wonderful animation. Tongue
in cheek take-off of "Fantasia".

>watch "Icicle Thief" a most interesting takeoff from this movie. Was "Diva"
>Italian? Even if it wasn't you should check it out.

It was French. Jean-Jacques Beinex (sp?) Good movie.


James
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Christopher Vaz

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Sep 14, 1993, 7:27:50 PM9/14/93
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"Open Doors" (1990, Italian); directed by Gianni Amelio. Drama about jurist
(Gian Maria Volonte) presiding over murder trial in Fascist Italy.

Chris Vaz
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Anindya Banerjee [epsilon]

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Sep 14, 1993, 10:44:53 PM9/14/93
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Kristen Mirenda writes:

>As for "Diva", it's French (Jean-Jaques Bieniex,
>circa 1982), and yes, I've seen it many times -- I've even got the poster
>on the wall behind me. A very stylish and funny film -- and this from a
>person who HATES French film. *k*

^^^^^

Pray, why?

--anindya

Steve Carrobis

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Sep 15, 1993, 8:58:48 AM9/15/93
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where are u staying?
look for a Blockbuster Video. if they dont have it ,where ever u may be living.
then they arenet gonna have it. unless u look for a real old video store
thats been around for ever.
good luck.

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Sep 16, 1993, 2:50:32 PM9/16/93
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Kristen Mirenda (mir...@panix.com) wrote:
: IMHO avoid anything by Pier Paolo Pasolini. Some think he was a genius, I

: just think he's proof that poets shouldn't make movies.

I totally disagree with this opinion. Pasolini was a great director.
Maybe you should watch his movies more carefully. "Teorema", "Edipo
Rei", "The Gospel..." are very good, poetic and intelligent movies. I
agree that he might be politically uncomfortable, but that's the price
to pay for original and intelligent ideas...

As for other italian directors I would recommend Antonioni, Fellini (my
favourite movie from him is "8 1/2"), Tavianni, and also Bertolluci.

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Shaggy

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Sep 16, 1993, 9:08:24 AM9/16/93
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I enjoy Italian cinema very much, and I'd like to recommend a couple of
films that I've seen this year that are well worth seeing:

Firstly, Mediterraneo, a film set in the second world war where a platoon of
useless Italian soldiers land on an island where there are only women,
children and old men.

Secondly, Il Ladro Di Bambini (The Stolen Children), without doubt the best
film I've seen this year. It charts the relationship between a young
carabinieri and two children that he's taking to a children's home.

SHAGGY

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Thomas Skogestad . Kjemiteknikk

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Sep 16, 1993, 11:35:23 AM9/16/93
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|> Hey, I thought that the movie was never going to be released for T.V. in
|> whatever shape or form,
|> or on video. I imagine the version our friend from norway has seen may be a
|> illicit copy.
|> That sort of movie has an impact that is definately not for the young.
|> When it first came here the it was an R21 then in 1991 it was R20 then in
|> 1992 R18 and that
|> in my mind is where it should be.

Hey, I saw the film on the big screen, not on video. I saw at the so called local
filmclub. They require membership thus it is classified as a closed private
showing, and anything can be shown. But the film had norwegian subtitles, so I
guess it means the ACW is not banned in Norway. But then a hech of a lot og other
films are.

Eric Nixdorf

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One that hasn't been mentioned yet is "Cinema Paradiso." Wonderful film.

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Sep 16, 1993, 10:27:36 PM9/16/93
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Kristen Mirenda (mir...@panix.com) wrote:

: Actually, I was psyched for "Icicle Thief" (I love a good parody) but


: I was very disappointed. As for "Diva", it's French (Jean-Jaques Bieniex,
: circa 1982), and yes, I've seen it many times -- I've even got the poster
: on the wall behind me. A very stylish and funny film -- and this from a
: person who HATES French film. *k*

Well, this just goes to show that it's all a matter of taste. I loved
ICICLE THIEF, and found it both intelligent and hilarious; I recommend it
highly. On the other hand, I found DIVA pretentious and too deliberately
"arty."

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S. Subramaniam

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Sep 17, 1993, 7:00:56 PM9/17/93
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In article <cosc352-12...@139.80.160.238> cos...@rivendell.otago.ac.nz (Brendon Woodford) writes:

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>Hey, I thought that the movie was never going to be released for T.V. in
>whatever shape or form,
>or on video. I imagine the version our friend from norway has seen may be a
>illicit copy.
>That sort of movie has an impact that is definately not for the young.
>When it first came here the it was an R21 then in 1991 it was R20 then in
>1992 R18 and that
>in my mind is where it should be.

It has definitely been released in video cassette in the US because I watched
this movie in the University of Delaware Library.

Siva
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BORSHUK MIKE

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Sep 20, 1993, 10:13:29 PM9/20/93
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I would recommend Rossellini's "Paisan", as well. It's another
classic of Italian neo-realism. I think it came out in 1947/48.
It's a six-part anthology film about Italy near the end of WWII.
The second segment, about the relationship between a black American
GI and a oyung Italian boy is especially winning. My only criticism
is of some of the acting in the first segment; it's a little stiff.


Mike Borshuk
bor...@server.uwindsor.ca

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