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From: Tom Powell <tpow...@emerald.tufts.edu>
Date: 1997/10/17
Subject: Deep focus in Citizen Kane.
How exactly does one accomplish deep focus as Orson Welles did in -- You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: "mack twamley" <macke...@inland.net>
Date: 1997/10/18
Subject: Re: Deep focus in Citizen Kane.
Tom Powell <tpow...@emerald.tufts.edu> wrote in article > How exactly does one accomplish deep focus as Orson Welles did in *******************************************8 > Citizen Kane? What are the f-stop settings and lighting constraints? > Thanks. > -- I don't know whether the Garutso "balanced" lens was in existence at the time of Kane, that would be a possible solution. In isolated shots, such as the huge glass with spoon and medicine bottle next to Susan's bed, when she 'accidentally' overdoses, I saw Kane four or five times before realizing that the bottle and stuff in the foreground was shot in sharp focus, and so was the faraway doorway, but the doorway was on a process screen, so it wasn't really deep focus at all. For the long focus in the newsroom conversation between Kane and Leland, I don't have a clue. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: eric...@ucla.edu (David Mullen)
Date: 1997/10/21
Subject: Re: Deep focus in Citizen Kane.
>I don't know whether the Garutso "balanced" lens was in existence at the No, the spoon shot was an optical effect; that's why the spoon is in focus and >time of Kane, that would be a possible solution. In isolated shots, such >as the huge glass with spoon and medicine bottle next to Susan's bed, when >she 'accidentally' overdoses, I saw Kane four or five times before >realizing that the bottle and stuff in the foreground was shot in sharp >focus, and so was the faraway doorway, but the doorway was on a process >screen, so it wasn't really deep focus at all. For the long focus in the >newsroom conversation between Kane and Leland, I don't have a clue. the bed in mid-ground is out-of-focus. The Kane at typewriter/Leland & Bernstein in mid-ground and far background was The deep-focus photography of Kane was made possible by the recent David M. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: filmg...@aol.com (FilmGene)
Date: 1997/10/21
Subject: Garutso "balanced" lens
<<I don't know whether the Garutso "balanced" lens was in existence at the I have always wanted to know what the "Garutso balanced lens" was since I saw Gene Stavis, School of Visual Arts - NYC You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: eric...@ucla.edu (David Mullen)
Date: 1997/10/21
Subject: Re: Garutso "balanced" lens
>I have always wanted to know what the "Garutso balanced lens" was since I saw My guess is that he is describing a "swing-tilt" mounted lens like the ones > it in the credits of "Member of the Wedding". Can anyone explain? >Gene Stavis, School of Visual Arts - NYC that have started to appear again in the past few years. In Salt's "Film Style & Technology", he describes such a lens being used by Hal Mohr in the mid 1930's. By tilting or pivoting the lens at its mount, the plane of focus will fall diagonally instead of at one distance from the lens - so the focus on the left might be only 2', falling farther away across the frame until the right side might be in focus at 30' (for example.) The illusion of deep focus is achieved, just as if a split-diopter filter had been used (in other words, it's not a true deep focus). A recent example would be in "L.A.Confidential" - there is a scene with the David M. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: fwy...@infinet.com (Frank Wylie)
Date: 1997/10/21
Subject: Re: Garutso "balanced" lens
eric...@ucla.edu (David Mullen) wrote: Also... >My guess is that he is describing a "swing-tilt" mounted lens like the ones >that have started to appear again in the past few years. In Salt's "Film >Style & Technology", he describes such a lens being used by Hal Mohr in the >mid 1930's. By tilting or pivoting the lens at its mount, the plane of focus >will fall diagonally instead of at one distance from the lens - so the focus The Mitchell Standard had provision for raising or lowering the lens You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: daver...@netcom.com (David Richards)
Date: 1997/10/23
Subject: Re: Garutso "balanced" lens
In article <ericusc.589.000DD...@ucla.edu> eric...@ucla.edu (David Mullen) writes: Clairmont Camera recently developed one of these, that has been somewhat >>I have always wanted to know what the "Garutso balanced lens" was since I saw >My guess is that he is describing a "swing-tilt" mounted lens like the ones successful. I was present at a paper and demonstration on the lens presented by Denny Clairmont last Spring in LA. He related an interesting story... they developed it with the idea of being able to do the split focus thing, to provide optimum image sharpness across the frame. Of course, cinematog- raphers, being the contrary cusses that they are, have used it more for the opposite effect, that is, throwing portions of the frame out of focus that would normally be within the depth of field. This has been used in some commercials and music videos. Dave -- You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: djsherl...@aol.com (Djsherlock)
Date: 1997/11/02
Subject: Re: Garutso "balanced" lens
filmg...@aol.com (FilmGene) previously said: >I have always wanted to know what the "Garutso balanced lens" was Garutso Balanced Lenses achieved remarkable depth of focus by using an >since I saw it in the credits of "Member of the Wedding". Can anyone >explain? >Gene Stavis, School of Visual Arts - NYC additional optical element consisting of an annular ring lens that focused at a slightly different distance than the center part of the lens. (Kind of like a split diopter where the split is a circle.) -Dan You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: "D. L. Ayrton" <DAYR...@wesleyan.edu>
Date: 1997/10/25
Subject: Re: Deep focus in Citizen Kane.
On 18 Oct 1997, mack twamley wrote: > > How exactly does one accomplish deep focus as Orson Welles did in Ah, that would be Greg Tolland's photography, not Welles'. Lots of > > Citizen Kane? What are the f-stop settings and lighting constraints? > > Thanks. light is a good place to start. > I don't know whether the Garutso "balanced" lens was in existence at the Nope. The glass/spoon/Kane bursting in shot was an in-camera matte. > time of Kane, that would be a possible solution. In isolated shots, such > as the huge glass with spoon and medicine bottle next to Susan's bed, when > she 'accidentally' overdoses, I saw Kane four or five times before > realizing that the bottle and stuff in the foreground was shot in sharp > focus, and so was the faraway doorway, but the doorway was on a process > screen, so it wasn't really deep focus at all. For the long focus in the Tolland lit the foreground elements, left the background dark. Rolled film, back-wound, let the foreground go dark (creating its own hold-out matte) lit, focused and shot the distant action of Kane bursting in through the door. The doorway is not a process screen. (see "The Making of Citizen Kane" Robert L. Carringer, Univerity of CAilf. Press, 1982, page 82 for documentation.) You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: ANTISPAMsweit...@best.com (Sean Weitzel)
Date: 1997/10/20
Subject: Re: Deep focus in Citizen Kane. (how it works
the amount of light on the set must have been nearly unbearable.. I recall discussions about the amount of light needed for "The Wizard of -sean In article <19971019212701.RAA13...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, helmbe...@aol.com (Helmbelly) wrote: -- > Kane was shot at an f16 and had lenses specially made with drilled fixed > apertures to limit refraction within the lens. > don't try it at home. > Happy shooting- To reply to me directly, please delete "ANTISPAM" from my e-mail address: sweit...@best.com You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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