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Re: How The West Was Won DVD smilebox cropped?

roland.latai...@po.state.ct.us (Cinerama) — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:17:47 UT

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MPI used digital technology to get a better geometric match between
the center and side panels, resulting in the kind of fish-eye effect
that would have been achieved if the film had been shot on a single

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Re: How The West Was Won DVD smilebox cropped?

roland.latai...@po.state.ct.us (Cinerama) — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:35:17 UT

I don't know where I saw it but, WB did the 2.89:1 to cover up some
problems with the three panels matching up on the top and/or bottom. I
guess there was some shrinkage or something was wrong and the 2.89.1
covered them up.

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How The West Was Won in Smilebox

lciner...@cox.net — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:38:03 UT

I am posting this essay on SmileBox, provided by Dave Strohmaier and
with his permission. I cannot speak about Bradford Cinerama since I
have never seen it. Although the are tremendous efforts, neither
Seattle or the Dome are completely accurate presentations of what
Cinerama was truly like during the 1950's..I know, I was there and

Film Technologies

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Re: 2001 and HOW THE WEST WAS WON limited engagement at the Dome

cinesi...@gmail.com — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:15:52 UT

Okay then, say goodnight, Gracie.

Re: The Blue Max in CinemaScope or Panavision?

peterh5...@rattlebrain.comminch (Peter) — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:00:03 UT

Precisely.
I suppose Marty would use "so-called" in the context, "... the
so-called 'Blacks' ...", or in the context, "... the so-called 'Blue
Modifieds' ...", in the second meaning, as he appears to doubt the
provenance, or, indeed, the existence of these lenses, whereas I have
seen actual examples of "Black" lenses, and I have used actual examples

Re: How The West Was Won DVD smilebox cropped?

oldtornp...@nospam.net (Martin Hart) — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:43:20 UT

In article <5add7f63-363f-4856-94f3-962ce 91982b9
@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, roland.latai...@po.state.ct.us says...
I guess I know as much about Smilebox as the average guy in these here
parts and frankly there's no justification for the Smilebox version to
encompass a lesser width than the flat version. If you examine the

Re: 2001 and HOW THE WEST WAS WON limited engagement at the Dome

oldtornp...@nospam.net (Martin Hart) — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:25:29 UT

In article <bc5231aa-27c5-4030-99d8-977c9 b4dfd93
@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com>, CineSi...@gmail.com says...
You are presuming that I read that message. It so happens that I didn't
read the question and that's why I asked you to repeat it.
I've just spent 20 minutes going back into the Usenet archives and found

Re: The Blue Max in CinemaScope or Panavision?

oldtornp...@nospam.net (Martin Hart) — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:15:39 UT

In article <8bbbe61d-3556-428c-948f-a1dcf 9742671
@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com> , rotoflexSPAMT...@yahoo.com says...
I still say the usage is incorrect.
Using the original non-ironic definition: It is acceptable to say "The
so-called planet Pluto is the 9th planet in our solar system." But it
is not correct to say, "The so-called planet Mercury is the first planet

Re: The Blue Max in CinemaScope or Panavision?

rotoflexspamt...@yahoo.com (William Hooper) — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:22:48 UT

Peter is using the term in its original non-ironic sense, as it is
still used in legal jargon.
"So-called Engineering Samples" in current collquial American English
is "the things they name(d) Engineering Samples".
When "so-called" moved into colloquial American English, it was very
likely employed by lawyers being sarcastic, and it's still most often

Re: The Blue Max in CinemaScope or Panavision?

peterh5...@rattlebrain.comminch (Peter) — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 04:52:02 UT

SOM Berthiot made two really special zooms in that time-frame: the
Ultrascope zoon and the VistaVision zoom.
The number of units made was probably pretty small. Perhaps a dozen
lenses for Scope ... perhaps half that for VVLA.
** Posted from [link] **

Re: The Blue Max in CinemaScope or Panavision?

ultrasc...@gmx.de (Ultrascope) — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 02:09:37 UT

@Peter:
You were right about the Arri/Ultrascope zoom lens. Just came back and
checked this - it was indeed a SOM Berthiot zoom lens with an
anamorphic back element doubling the focal length (76 to 300mm
anamorphic according to Arri papers).

Re: How The West Was Won DVD smilebox cropped?

cinesi...@gmail.com — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:58:44 UT

I was about to say that the "curving"of the image would result in less
apparent wideness, but, yes, I do see from the screen caps pictures
there, that the smilebox image has actually removed information from
the sides. it also retains a good deal of the join lines, so I would
say that publicizing them as having been "erased" is a big mistake.