SONOSAX MINIR82 Manuel provisoire ( français ) Preliminary User Manual ( english)
my first 2 were:
nice that you assign inputs to HD (tracks 1-8), and CF (tracks 1-2), so its the stereo mix on CF, isos on HD.
didn't read anywhere if it is possible to transfer files from the HD to the CF, and it would seem that you can NOT record 8 tracks or even 4 directly to the CF card. so isos only deliverable through some external device like a laptop.
> SONOSAX MINIR82 > Manuel provisoire ( français ) > Preliminary User Manual ( english)
> my first 2 were:
> nice that you assign inputs to HD (tracks 1-8), and CF (tracks 1-2), so > its the stereo mix on CF, isos on HD.
> didn't read anywhere if it is possible to transfer files from the HD to > the CF, and it would seem that you can NOT record 8 tracks or even 4 > directly to the CF card. so isos only deliverable through some external > device like a laptop.
I'm happy to see the manual come online. I hope the recorder does so too. My quick thoughts (based on potentially faulty reading) are as follows: 1) All tracks are recorded only as mono or stereo pairs. It does not seem to create multitrack bwf-p's. This may be somewhat troublesome for some transfer and telecine operations. 2) File storage is in PROJECT NAME folders containing lists of scene/take files. Would you want to make a PROJECT NAME folder for each shooting day? As this is already in a nested folder (AUDIO), I suppose you can't go too deep before DV40's and the like will no longer be able to see the files. This may be moot as you'd have to either send a revolving 2-track CF card or burn something you've copied using a computer so you could change the folder structure. 3) The CF v HD matrix looks good for dual disk recording. However, it doesn't allow mirroring and doesn't seem to offer file copying without using a computer. So, in the course of a shooting day with film breakoff, it seems as if you'd either have to rotate (or copy) the CF card, or copy form the HD which would give no indication of what files were most recent or as yet uncopied. (I assume this because the manual suggests the HD file list is in Scene Number order.) 4) Scene naming seems a little deeply nested in the menus for quick entry and there so far doesn't appear to be capabiility for post-recording editing of STN or the use of an external keyboard for entry.
Aside from these software updatable issues, the recorder seems to do a lot in a small package and the operation also appears to be simple and without too many opportunities for serious user error. I look forward to the released product.
As to the manual, there are some remaining French instructions and some imperfect translations. I hereby volunteer to rewrite the manual into American technical English and I only request a MiniR82 and a SX-ST in return. Peter
> > SONOSAX MINIR82 > > Manuel provisoire ( français ) > > Preliminary User Manual ( english)
> > my first 2 were:
> > nice that you assign inputs to HD (tracks 1-8), and CF (tracks 1-2), so > > its the stereo mix on CF, isos on HD.
> > didn't read anywhere if it is possible to transfer files from the HD to > > the CF, and it would seem that you can NOT record 8 tracks or even 4 > > directly to the CF card. so isos only deliverable through some external > > device like a laptop.
> I'm happy to see the manual come online. I hope the recorder does so > too. > My quick thoughts (based on potentially faulty reading) are as follows: > 1) All tracks are recorded only as mono or stereo pairs. It does not > seem to create multitrack bwf-p's. This may be somewhat troublesome for > some transfer and telecine operations. > 2) File storage is in PROJECT NAME folders containing lists of > scene/take files. Would you want to make a PROJECT NAME folder for each > shooting day? As this is already in a nested folder (AUDIO), I suppose > you can't go too deep before DV40's and the like will no longer be able > to see the files. This may be moot as you'd have to either send a > revolving 2-track CF card or burn something you've copied using a > computer so you could change the folder structure. > 3) The CF v HD matrix looks good for dual disk recording. However, it > doesn't allow mirroring and doesn't seem to offer file copying without > using a computer. So, in the course of a shooting day with film > breakoff, it seems as if you'd either have to rotate (or copy) the CF > card, or copy form the HD which would give no indication of what files > were most recent or as yet uncopied. (I assume this because the manual > suggests the HD file list is in Scene Number order.) > 4) Scene naming seems a little deeply nested in the menus for quick > entry and there so far doesn't appear to be capabiility for > post-recording editing of STN or the use of an external keyboard for > entry.
> Aside from these software updatable issues, the recorder seems to do a > lot in a small package and the operation also appears to be simple and > without too many opportunities for serious user error. I look forward > to the released product.
> As to the manual, there are some remaining French instructions and some > imperfect translations. I hereby volunteer to rewrite the manual into > American technical English and I only request a MiniR82 and a SX-ST in > return. > Peter
> > SONOSAX MINIR82 > > Manuel provisoire ( français ) > > Preliminary User Manual ( english)
> > my first 2 were:
> > nice that you assign inputs to HD (tracks 1-8), and CF (tracks 1-2), so > > its the stereo mix on CF, isos on HD.
> > didn't read anywhere if it is possible to transfer files from the HD to > > the CF, and it would seem that you can NOT record 8 tracks or even 4 > > directly to the CF card. so isos only deliverable through some external > > device like a laptop.
> I'm happy to see the manual come online. I hope the recorder does so > too. > My quick thoughts (based on potentially faulty reading) are as follows: > 1) All tracks are recorded only as mono or stereo pairs. It does not > seem to create multitrack bwf-p's. This may be somewhat troublesome for > some transfer and telecine operations. > 2) File storage is in PROJECT NAME folders containing lists of > scene/take files. Would you want to make a PROJECT NAME folder for each > shooting day? As this is already in a nested folder (AUDIO), I suppose > you can't go too deep before DV40's and the like will no longer be able > to see the files. This may be moot as you'd have to either send a > revolving 2-track CF card or burn something you've copied using a > computer so you could change the folder structure. > 3) The CF v HD matrix looks good for dual disk recording. However, it > doesn't allow mirroring and doesn't seem to offer file copying without > using a computer. So, in the course of a shooting day with film > breakoff, it seems as if you'd either have to rotate (or copy) the CF > card, or copy form the HD which would give no indication of what files > were most recent or as yet uncopied. (I assume this because the manual > suggests the HD file list is in Scene Number order.) > 4) Scene naming seems a little deeply nested in the menus for quick > entry and there so far doesn't appear to be capabiility for > post-recording editing of STN or the use of an external keyboard for > entry.
> Aside from these software updatable issues, the recorder seems to do a > lot in a small package and the operation also appears to be simple and > without too many opportunities for serious user error. I look forward > to the released product.
> As to the manual, there are some remaining French instructions and some > imperfect translations. I hereby volunteer to rewrite the manual into > American technical English and I only request a MiniR82 and a SX-ST in > return. > Peter
I was at Sonosax a few weeks ago on my way through Europe so I had a look at the mini r82 . You can only record 2 tracks to the cf card and there is no mirror mode but it records simultaneouly to the cf and hardrive and you select which tracks from the hardrive you want to go to the cf . Also at this stage there is no way to monitor track 1 of cf card in mono in both ears , but after playing around decided what I would do is say dedicate track 8 as a mix down track and assign it to track 1 of cf card allowing me to monitor track 8 as in mono . This is purely my opinion for my purposes of supplying track 1 as my mix track . That would leave tracks 1-7 for isos . The recorder is beautifully engineered and made from a cast block of alloy . . I am waiting for the in channel recorder as then I can utilise the monitor facilities on the sx-st which are very flexible . I am still trying to get my head around how I would playback a take and listen to one of the iso tracks (quickly) . It can be done of course but means toggling through the menu . You are right you can only go through a computer to xfer your files . Once again for my purposes only I thought one could hand off the cf at the end of the day with the mix and maybe something else on track 2 then the next day during a lighting setup xfer isos to computer and then whatever . I see it as an excellent 2nd multitrack recorder that takes up none or very little space and packs a lot of features for the size and money . regards Tony Johnson
> > SONOSAX MINIR82 > > Manuel provisoire ( français ) > > Preliminary User Manual ( english)
> > my first 2 were:
> > nice that you assign inputs to HD (tracks 1-8), and CF (tracks 1-2), so > > its the stereo mix on CF, isos on HD.
> > didn't read anywhere if it is possible to transfer files from the HD to > > the CF, and it would seem that you can NOT record 8 tracks or even 4 > > directly to the CF card. so isos only deliverable through some external > > device like a laptop.
> I'm happy to see the manual come online. I hope the recorder does so > too. > My quick thoughts (based on potentially faulty reading) are as follows: > 1) All tracks are recorded only as mono or stereo pairs. It does not > seem to create multitrack bwf-p's. This may be somewhat troublesome for > some transfer and telecine operations. > 2) File storage is in PROJECT NAME folders containing lists of > scene/take files. Would you want to make a PROJECT NAME folder for each > shooting day? As this is already in a nested folder (AUDIO), I suppose > you can't go too deep before DV40's and the like will no longer be able > to see the files. This may be moot as you'd have to either send a > revolving 2-track CF card or burn something you've copied using a > computer so you could change the folder structure. > 3) The CF v HD matrix looks good for dual disk recording. However, it > doesn't allow mirroring and doesn't seem to offer file copying without > using a computer. So, in the course of a shooting day with film > breakoff, it seems as if you'd either have to rotate (or copy) the CF > card, or copy form the HD which would give no indication of what files > were most recent or as yet uncopied. (I assume this because the manual > suggests the HD file list is in Scene Number order.) > 4) Scene naming seems a little deeply nested in the menus for quick > entry and there so far doesn't appear to be capabiility for > post-recording editing of STN or the use of an external keyboard for > entry.
> Aside from these software updatable issues, the recorder seems to do a > lot in a small package and the operation also appears to be simple and > without too many opportunities for serious user error. I look forward > to the released product.
> As to the manual, there are some remaining French instructions and some > imperfect translations. I hereby volunteer to rewrite the manual into > American technical English and I only request a MiniR82 and a SX-ST in > return. > Peter
Gtrew wrote: > Peter, assuming you are home for a while, drop by the store and see it > for yourself. Received the first one yesterday. A real beauty.
> Glen Trew
glen,
no mention in the manual of the remote control (pictured on the site). is there a remote with your demo? i'm asking as i have a device with it's display positioned as this 1 is and it's a pain when working out of a bag.
much better for this machine to go in a pocket with record, stop and meters on a small remote attached to the bag, imho.
any thoughts on who will make a compact (bagable) mixer with 8 digital outs?
The remote control I assume you are refering to is for the built-in recorder option of the SX-ST mixer, giving it basically the same user interface as the Mini-R has.
d rosen wrote: > Gtrew wrote: > > Peter, assuming you are home for a while, drop by the store and see it > > for yourself. Received the first one yesterday. A real beauty.
> > Glen Trew
> glen,
> no mention in the manual of the remote control (pictured on the site). > is there a remote with your demo? > i'm asking as i have a device with it's display positioned as this 1 is > and it's a pain when working out of a bag.
> much better for this machine to go in a pocket with record, stop and > meters on a small remote attached to the bag, imho.
> any thoughts on who will make a compact (bagable) mixer with 8 digital > outs?
> The remote control I assume you are refering to is for the built-in > recorder option of the SX-ST mixer, giving it basically the same user > interface as the Mini-R has.
> Glen Trew
hello glen,
just checked the sonosax website and they seem to have taken the picture down(?). what i saw was a remote, styled and layed out like the minir82 in the same picture as a minir82. i assumed this was to allow basic functions to be operated while the recorder was in a bag.
> > > SONOSAX MINIR82 > > > Manuel provisoire ( français ) > > > Preliminary User Manual ( english)
> > > my first 2 were:
> > > nice that you assign inputs to HD (tracks 1-8), and CF (tracks 1-2), so > > > its the stereo mix on CF, isos on HD.
> > > didn't read anywhere if it is possible to transfer files from the HD to > > > the CF, and it would seem that you can NOT record 8 tracks or even 4 > > > directly to the CF card. so isos only deliverable through some external > > > device like a laptop.
> > I'm happy to see the manual come online. I hope the recorder does so > > too. > > My quick thoughts (based on potentially faulty reading) are as follows: > > 1) All tracks are recorded only as mono or stereo pairs. It does not > > seem to create multitrack bwf-p's. This may be somewhat troublesome for > > some transfer and telecine operations. > > 2) File storage is in PROJECT NAME folders containing lists of > > scene/take files. Would you want to make a PROJECT NAME folder for each > > shooting day? As this is already in a nested folder (AUDIO), I suppose > > you can't go too deep before DV40's and the like will no longer be able > > to see the files. This may be moot as you'd have to either send a > > revolving 2-track CF card or burn something you've copied using a > > computer so you could change the folder structure. > > 3) The CF v HD matrix looks good for dual disk recording. However, it > > doesn't allow mirroring and doesn't seem to offer file copying without > > using a computer. So, in the course of a shooting day with film > > breakoff, it seems as if you'd either have to rotate (or copy) the CF > > card, or copy form the HD which would give no indication of what files > > were most recent or as yet uncopied. (I assume this because the manual > > suggests the HD file list is in Scene Number order.) > > 4) Scene naming seems a little deeply nested in the menus for quick > > entry and there so far doesn't appear to be capabiility for > > post-recording editing of STN or the use of an external keyboard for > > entry.
> > Aside from these software updatable issues, the recorder seems to do a > > lot in a small package and the operation also appears to be simple and > > without too many opportunities for serious user error. I look forward > > to the released product.
> > As to the manual, there are some remaining French instructions and some > > imperfect translations. I hereby volunteer to rewrite the manual into > > American technical English and I only request a MiniR82 and a SX-ST in > > return. > > Peter
Thanks, Glen. I did stop by Trew today and spent a couple of hours with the MiniR82. Personally, I think the cigar box it comes in may be worth the selling price. Nice wooden box with compartments for the recorder, adapters, and the included software (which seems totally unnecessary but I hear it's not bad. I have a few updates of my earlier comments and some new ones. Back to #2, the PROJECT NAME system is workable but a little awkward. For feature use, you might want to use a new project name for each day. Project names are seen as folders on a computer. All the files internal to each folder are listed in one big group, sorted by what I think is either scene name or chronolgical order when viewed on the MiniR82. One potential problem is that when viewed on a computer, each file is contained in its own folder named by its SCENE NAME. I guess if you rceorded muliple track pairs, they would all be in this folder. But the actual filenames are unrelated to anything I could identify. When I examined the recorded files, metadata in both bext and iXML is correct. There is no apparent way to edit it in the MiniR82 after recording. I don't know how transfer machines will like the nested folders. The path is DRIVE:AUDIO:PROJECTNAME:SCENENAME.TAKENUMBER:FILENAME. Another potential film break option is to put all audio in one PROJECT NAME for a shoot (I don't know the number of files allowed in each folder.) Then you could turn in just the data from a daily reformatted CF (which records simultaneously) at each film break. The iso's or other material could be sent separately. I didn't have a CF card, so I don't know if this would work. You don't get to select from existing project names. If you enter a name, it creates a new folder and starts recording in it. If you want to pick an existing project, you have to retype its name perfectly, then it doesn't create a new one, just starts adding new files to the existing one. (This doesn't seem to be in the manual.) As to my previous comment #4, the scene and take naming system isn't too bad. If you back up one menu from the recording screen, then the second selection you scroll to is scene name. It's a little bit slow to enter the name. It works like recording a high score in Space Invaders, one character at a time scrolling between 36 alphanumeric characters and a blank. You have to start from the last entry, not an empty name. This makes it easy to add a letter suffix, but slower to go from a long scene name (107AA) to a short one (2). You woukld have to scroll to each blank. This works the same as the PROJECT NAME system. Here's the bad part. If you create a folder name with either leading spaces or internal spaces (__DAY2 or DAY_2), that folder can't be seen on a Mac (and it makes infinitely recursive folders in list mode). Windows can see them fine, but the Mac can't even though it normally allows spaces in fiolder names. (Speaking without knowledge, I'd say it uses an ASCII null (0) instead of an ASCII space (32).) Since you can't edit an existing PROJECT NAME (it would just make a new project), you'd have to use WIndows to open the folders. Scene and take naming doesn't have this issue because, las I mentioned above, the filename is unrelated to the scene name. The device itself is extremely solid and has some beautiful design features. The level setting wheels are recessed into a groove so you can easily adjust them but they are protected from being bumped. They have just the right amount of turning resistance. The display is small but clear. It took me about five minutes to get used to the menu navigation but then it was simple and relatively quick. The routing matrix works very well, a cross between the direct access of the Deva 5 and the simplicity of the 744. My complaint is with the method of holding buttons to select or go into certain menus. You have to push firmly for one second, which often seems like an eternity. With only four navigation buttons, I can see why a second function for the buttons is necessary, but I wish it didn't take so long. Maybe double-clicking could be a future option. A mild warning for iPod users, the button combination for MiniR82 Power-on (up and down simultaneously) is the same as an iPod Reset. All-in-all, it seems to be a great package for a lot of purposes. 10 tracks, 4 analog ins, 8 digital ins, 2 mic preamps, pre-record, all in a beautiful housing smaller than a TCD-D8. Runs on AAs which are easy to change in a nice compartment and goes from OFF to recording in 2 seconds. I've been thinking about one as a primary recorder. When it's built into the SX-ST, you get dedicated transport buttons and possibly keyboard attachability (I didn't try the built-in model), an extremely convenient form factor (particularly for insert cars), and powering from the mixer.As a separate unit, it would be fantastic for effects, free-driving shots, putting in a pocket (yours or an actor's) and difficult locations (mountains, trails, elevators.) Sonosax chose not to make a unit that would directly dock into the mixer, but maybe when connected, the SX-ST's transport controls will work. I don't know yet. My only other thought is to (sell the house and) buy two. I haven't tried, but I bet you could pop the CF card out of the built-in one and put it in the pocket model for occasional use, and then put it back into the mixer. You'd have to manually archive the files as they can't currently be copied back to the HD. Anyway, after letting me record from various sources, play back, transfer via USB to both Mac and PC, adust, reconfigure, and hotplug (the MiniR82) in a way that's not recommended, Glen has invited me back to do more tests later in the week. I'll try to find a CF card to use as well. I also want to burn a CD/DVD from the CF and try it in Glen's DV842. If nothing else comes of this, Glen may be encouraged to recommend me for a job out of town. Peter
Peter wrote: > Gtrew wrote: > > Peter, assuming you are home for a while, drop by the store and see it > > for yourself. Received the first one yesterday. A real beauty.
> > Glen Trew
> > Peter wrote: > > > d rosen wrote: > > > > any thoughts?
> > > > SONOSAX MINIR82 > > > > Manuel provisoire ( français ) > > > > Preliminary User Manual ( english)
> > > > my first 2 were:
> > > > nice that you assign inputs to HD (tracks 1-8), and CF (tracks 1-2), so > > > > its the stereo mix on CF, isos on HD.
> > > > didn't read anywhere if it is possible to transfer files from the HD to > > > > the CF, and it would seem that you can NOT record 8 tracks or even 4 > > > > directly to the CF card. so isos only deliverable through some external > > > > device like a laptop.
> > > I'm happy to see the manual come online. I hope the recorder does so > > > too. > > > My quick thoughts (based on potentially faulty reading) are as follows: > > > 1) All tracks are recorded only as mono or stereo pairs. It does not > > > seem to create multitrack bwf-p's. This may be somewhat troublesome for > > > some transfer and telecine operations. > > > 2) File storage is in PROJECT NAME folders containing lists of > > > scene/take files. Would you want to make a PROJECT NAME folder for each > > > shooting day? As this is already in a nested folder (AUDIO), I suppose > > > you can't go too deep before DV40's and the like will no longer be able > > > to see the files. This may be moot as you'd have to either send a > > > revolving 2-track CF card or burn something you've copied using a > > > computer so you could change the folder structure. > > > 3) The CF v HD matrix looks good for dual disk recording. However, it > > > doesn't allow mirroring and doesn't seem to offer file copying without > > > using a computer. So, in the course of a shooting day with film > > > breakoff, it seems as if you'd either have to rotate (or copy) the CF > > > card, or copy form the HD which would give no indication of what files > > > were most recent or as yet uncopied. (I assume this because the manual > > > suggests the HD file list is in Scene Number order.) > > > 4) Scene naming seems a little deeply nested in the menus for quick > > > entry and there so far doesn't appear to be capabiility for > > > post-recording editing of STN or the use of an external keyboard for > > > entry.
> > > Aside from these software updatable issues, the recorder seems to do a > > > lot in a small package and the operation also appears to be simple and > > > without too many opportunities for serious user error. I look forward > > > to the released product.
> > > As to the manual, there are some remaining French instructions and some > > > imperfect translations. I hereby volunteer to rewrite the manual into > > > American technical English and I only request a MiniR82 and a SX-ST in > > > return. > > > Peter
> Thanks, Glen. > I did stop by Trew today and spent a couple of hours with the MiniR82. > Personally, I think the cigar box it comes in may be worth the selling > price. Nice wooden box with compartments for the recorder, adapters, > and the included software (which seems totally unnecessary but I hear > it's not bad. > I have a few updates of my earlier comments and some new ones. > Back to #2, the PROJECT NAME system is workable but a little awkward. > For feature use, you might want to use a new project name for each day. > Project names are seen as folders on a computer. All the files internal > to each folder are listed in one big group, sorted by what I think is > either scene name or chronolgical order when viewed on the MiniR82. > One potential problem is that when viewed on a computer, each file is > contained in its own folder named by its SCENE NAME. I guess if you > rceorded muliple track pairs, they would all be in this folder. But the > actual filenames are unrelated to anything I could identify. When I > examined the recorded files, metadata in both bext and iXML is correct. > There is no apparent way to edit it in the MiniR82 after recording. I > don't know how transfer machines will like the nested folders. The path > is DRIVE:AUDIO:PROJECTNAME:SCENENAME.TAKENUMBER:FILENAME. > Another potential film break option is to put all audio in one PROJECT > NAME for a shoot (I don't know the number of files allowed in each > folder.) Then you could turn in just the data from a daily reformatted > CF (which records simultaneously) at each film break. The iso's or > other material could be sent separately. I didn't have a CF card, so I > don't know if this would work. > You don't get to select from existing project names. If you enter a > name, it creates a new folder and starts recording in it. If you want > to pick an existing project, you have to retype its name perfectly, > then it doesn't create a new one, just starts adding new files to the > existing one. (This doesn't seem to be in the manual.) > As to my previous comment #4, the scene and take naming system isn't > too bad. If you back up one menu from the recording screen, then the > second selection you scroll to is scene name. It's a little bit slow to > enter the name. It works like recording a high score in Space Invaders, > one character at a time scrolling between 36 alphanumeric characters > and a blank. You have to start from the last entry, not an empty name. > This makes it easy to add a letter suffix, but slower to go from a long > scene name (107AA) to a short one (2). You woukld have to scroll to > each blank. > This works the same as the PROJECT NAME system. > Here's the bad part. If you create a folder name with either leading > spaces or internal spaces (__DAY2 or DAY_2), that folder can't be seen > on a Mac (and it makes infinitely recursive folders in list mode). > Windows can see them fine, but the Mac can't even though it normally > allows spaces in fiolder names. (Speaking without knowledge, I'd say it > uses an ASCII null (0) instead of an ASCII space (32).) Since you can't > edit an existing PROJECT NAME (it would just make a new project), you'd > have to use WIndows to open the folders. Scene and take naming doesn't > have this issue because, las I mentioned above, the filename is > unrelated to the scene name. > The device itself is extremely solid and has some beautiful design > features. The level setting wheels are recessed into a groove so you > can easily adjust them but they are protected from being bumped. They > have just the right amount of turning resistance. The display is small > but clear. It took me about five minutes to get used to the menu > navigation but then it was simple and relatively quick. The routing > matrix works very well, a cross between the direct access of the Deva 5 > and the simplicity of the 744. My complaint is with the method of > holding buttons to select or go into certain menus. You have to push > firmly for one second, which often seems like an eternity. With only > four navigation buttons, I can see why a second function for the > buttons is necessary, but I wish it didn't take so long. Maybe > double-clicking could be a future option. A mild warning for iPod > users, the button combination for MiniR82 Power-on (up and down > simultaneously) is the same as an iPod Reset. > All-in-all, it seems to be a great package for a lot of purposes. 10 > tracks, 4 analog ins, 8 digital ins, 2 mic preamps, pre-record, all in > a beautiful housing smaller than a TCD-D8. Runs on AAs which are easy > to change in a nice compartment and goes from OFF to recording in 2 > seconds. > I've been thinking about one as a primary recorder. When it's built > into the SX-ST, you get dedicated transport buttons and possibly > keyboard attachability (I didn't try the built-in model), an extremely > convenient form factor (particularly for insert cars), and powering > from the mixer.As a separate unit, it would be fantastic for effects, > free-driving shots, putting in a pocket (yours or an actor's) and > difficult locations (mountains, trails, elevators.) Sonosax chose not > to make a unit that would directly dock into the mixer, but maybe when > connected, the SX-ST's transport controls will work. I don't know yet. > My only other thought is to (sell the house and) buy two. I haven't > tried, but I bet you could pop the CF card out of the built-in one and > put it in the pocket model for occasional use, and then put it back > into the mixer. You'd have to manually archive the files as they can't > currently be copied back to the HD. > Anyway, after letting me record from various sources, play back, > transfer via USB to both Mac and PC, adust, reconfigure, and hotplug > (the MiniR82) in a way that's not recommended, Glen has invited me back > to do more tests later in the week. I'll try to find a CF card to use > as well. I also want to burn a CD/DVD from the CF and try it in Glen's > DV842. If nothing else comes of this, Glen may be encouraged to > recommend me for a job out of town. > Peter
peter,
thanks very much for taking the time to post all that info. i'll definitely read anything else you find time to post about the device.
Peter wrote: > Gtrew wrote: > > Peter, assuming you are home for a while, drop by the store and see it > > for yourself. Received the first one yesterday. A real beauty.
> > Glen Trew
> > Peter wrote: > > > d rosen wrote: > > > > any thoughts?
> > > > SONOSAX MINIR82 > > > > Manuel provisoire ( français ) > > > > Preliminary User Manual ( english)
> > > > my first 2 were:
> > > > nice that you assign inputs to HD (tracks 1-8), and CF (tracks 1-2), so > > > > its the stereo mix on CF, isos on HD.
> > > > didn't read anywhere if it is possible to transfer files from the HD to > > > > the CF, and it would seem that you can NOT record 8 tracks or even 4 > > > > directly to the CF card. so isos only deliverable through some external > > > > device like a laptop.
> > > I'm happy to see the manual come online. I hope the recorder does so > > > too. > > > My quick thoughts (based on potentially faulty reading) are as follows: > > > 1) All tracks are recorded only as mono or stereo pairs. It does not > > > seem to create multitrack bwf-p's. This may be somewhat troublesome for > > > some transfer and telecine operations. > > > 2) File storage is in PROJECT NAME folders containing lists of > > > scene/take files. Would you want to make a PROJECT NAME folder for each > > > shooting day? As this is already in a nested folder (AUDIO), I suppose > > > you can't go too deep before DV40's and the like will no longer be able > > > to see the files. This may be moot as you'd have to either send a > > > revolving 2-track CF card or burn something you've copied using a > > > computer so you could change the folder structure. > > > 3) The CF v HD matrix looks good for dual disk recording. However, it > > > doesn't allow mirroring and doesn't seem to offer file copying without > > > using a computer. So, in the course of a shooting day with film > > > breakoff, it seems as if you'd either have to rotate (or copy) the CF > > > card, or copy form the HD which would give no indication of what files > > > were most recent or as yet uncopied. (I assume this because the manual > > > suggests the HD file list is in Scene Number order.) > > > 4) Scene naming seems a little deeply nested in the menus for quick > > > entry and there so far doesn't appear to be capabiility for > > > post-recording editing of STN or the use of an external keyboard for > > > entry.
> > > Aside from these software updatable issues, the recorder seems to do a > > > lot in a small package and the operation also appears to be simple and > > > without too many opportunities for serious user error. I look forward > > > to the released product.
> > > As to the manual, there are some remaining French instructions and some > > > imperfect translations. I hereby volunteer to rewrite the manual into > > > American technical English and I only request a MiniR82 and a SX-ST in > > > return. > > > Peter
> Thanks, Glen. > I did stop by Trew today and spent a couple of hours with the MiniR82. > Personally, I think the cigar box it comes in may be worth the selling > price. Nice wooden box with compartments for the recorder, adapters, > and the included software (which seems totally unnecessary but I hear > it's not bad. > I have a few updates of my earlier comments and some new ones. > Back to #2, the PROJECT NAME system is workable but a little awkward. > For feature use, you might want to use a new project name for each day. > Project names are seen as folders on a computer. All the files internal > to each folder are listed in one big group, sorted by what I think is > either scene name or chronolgical order when viewed on the MiniR82. > One potential problem is that when viewed on a computer, each file is > contained in its own folder named by its SCENE NAME. I guess if you > rceorded muliple track pairs, they would all be in this folder. But the > actual filenames are unrelated to anything I could identify. When I > examined the recorded files, metadata in both bext and iXML is correct. > There is no apparent way to edit it in the MiniR82 after recording. I > don't know how transfer machines will like the nested folders. The path > is DRIVE:AUDIO:PROJECTNAME:SCENENAME.TAKENUMBER:FILENAME. > Another potential film break option is to put all audio in one PROJECT > NAME for a shoot (I don't know the number of files allowed in each > folder.) Then you could turn in just the data from a daily reformatted > CF (which records simultaneously) at each film break. The iso's or > other material could be sent separately. I didn't have a CF card, so I > don't know if this would work. > You don't get to select from existing project names. If you enter a > name, it creates a new folder and starts recording in it. If you want > to pick an existing project, you have to retype its name perfectly, > then it doesn't create a new one, just starts adding new files to the > existing one. (This doesn't seem to be in the manual.) > As to my previous comment #4, the scene and take naming system isn't > too bad. If you back up one menu from the recording screen, then the > second selection you scroll to is scene name. It's a little bit slow to > enter the name. It works like recording a high score in Space Invaders, > one character at a time scrolling between 36 alphanumeric characters > and a blank. You have to start from the last entry, not an empty name. > This makes it easy to add a letter suffix, but slower to go from a long > scene name (107AA) to a short one (2). You woukld have to scroll to > each blank. > This works the same as the PROJECT NAME system. > Here's the bad part. If you create a folder name with either leading > spaces or internal spaces (__DAY2 or DAY_2), that folder can't be seen > on a Mac (and it makes infinitely recursive folders in list mode). > Windows can see them fine, but the Mac can't even though it normally > allows spaces in fiolder names. (Speaking without knowledge, I'd say it > uses an ASCII null (0) instead of an ASCII space (32).) Since you can't > edit an existing PROJECT NAME (it would just make a new project), you'd > have to use WIndows to open the folders. Scene and take naming doesn't > have this issue because, las I mentioned above, the filename is > unrelated to the scene name. > The device itself is extremely solid and has some beautiful design > features. The level setting wheels are recessed into a groove so you > can easily adjust them but they are protected from being bumped. They > have just the right amount of turning resistance. The display is small > but clear. It took me about five minutes to get used to the menu > navigation but then it was simple and relatively quick. The routing > matrix works very well, a cross between the direct access of the Deva 5 > and the simplicity of the 744. My complaint is with the method of > holding buttons to select or go into certain menus. You have to push > firmly for one second, which often seems like an eternity. With only > four navigation buttons, I can see why a second function for the > buttons is necessary, but I wish it didn't take so long. Maybe > double-clicking could be a future option. A mild warning for iPod > users, the button combination for MiniR82 Power-on (up and down > simultaneously) is the same as an iPod Reset. > All-in-all, it seems to be a great package for a lot of purposes. 10 > tracks, 4 analog ins, 8 digital ins, 2 mic preamps, pre-record, all in > a beautiful housing smaller than a TCD-D8. Runs on AAs which are easy > to change in a nice compartment and goes from OFF to recording in 2 > seconds. > I've been thinking about one as a primary recorder. When it's built > into the SX-ST, you get dedicated transport buttons and possibly > keyboard attachability (I didn't try the built-in model), an extremely > convenient form factor (particularly for insert cars), and powering > from the mixer.As a separate unit, it would be fantastic for effects, > free-driving shots, putting in a pocket (yours or an actor's) and > difficult locations (mountains, trails, elevators.) Sonosax chose not > to make a unit that would directly dock into the mixer, but maybe when > connected, the SX-ST's transport controls will work. I don't know yet. > My only other thought is to (sell the house and) buy two. I haven't > tried, but I bet you could pop the CF card out of the built-in one and > put it in the pocket model for occasional use, and then put it back > into the mixer. You'd have to manually archive the files as they can't > currently be copied back to the HD. > Anyway, after letting me record from various sources, play back, > transfer via USB to both Mac and PC, adust, reconfigure, and hotplug > (the MiniR82) in a way that's not recommended, Glen has invited me back > to do more tests later in the week. I'll try to find a CF card to use > as well. I also want to burn a CD/DVD from the CF and try it in Glen's > DV842. If nothing else comes of this, Glen may be encouraged to > recommend me for a job out of town. > Peter
Hi peter ,
You seemed to have had a bigger play than I did . You bring up some interesting points . I am leaning towards the built in model but was under the impression that it does not accept a keyboard at this stage . I think too for a feature you need faster accessibility to file naming and the ability to rename . What do you mean that the filenames were unrelated to anything , did they not carry the scene # as per the folder they were in . Did you try out the monitoring menu . The way I understand is that you can't monitor track 1 of cf card in mono in both ears , which I think is a potential problem . What do you think? . I like the idea of sending cf card off with film break and sending isos and other materials off at a later date , but what about the naming you would have to have accurate file naming or it would be a pain for post . Although not great for
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t...@soundmixer.co.nz wrote: > Peter wrote: > > Gtrew wrote: > > > Peter, assuming you are home for a while, drop by the store and see it > > > for yourself. Received the first one yesterday. A real beauty.
> > > Glen Trew
> > > Peter wrote: > > > > d rosen wrote: > > > > > any thoughts?
> > > > > SONOSAX MINIR82 > > > > > Manuel provisoire ( français ) > > > > > Preliminary User Manual ( english)
> > > > > my first 2 were:
> > > > > nice that you assign inputs to HD (tracks 1-8), and CF (tracks 1-2), so > > > > > its the stereo mix on CF, isos on HD.
> > > > > didn't read anywhere if it is possible to transfer files from the HD to > > > > > the CF, and it would seem that you can NOT record 8 tracks or even 4 > > > > > directly to the CF card. so isos only deliverable through some external > > > > > device like a laptop.
> > > > I'm happy to see the manual come online. I hope the recorder does so > > > > too. > > > > My quick thoughts (based on potentially faulty reading) are as follows: > > > > 1) All tracks are recorded only as mono or stereo pairs. It does not > > > > seem to create multitrack bwf-p's. This may be somewhat troublesome for > > > > some transfer and telecine operations. > > > > 2) File storage is in PROJECT NAME folders containing lists of > > > > scene/take files. Would you want to make a PROJECT NAME folder for each > > > > shooting day? As this is already in a nested folder (AUDIO), I suppose > > > > you can't go too deep before DV40's and the like will no longer be able > > > > to see the files. This may be moot as you'd have to either send a > > > > revolving 2-track CF card or burn something you've copied using a > > > > computer so you could change the folder structure. > > > > 3) The CF v HD matrix looks good for dual disk recording. However, it > > > > doesn't allow mirroring and doesn't seem to offer file copying without > > > > using a computer. So, in the course of a shooting day with film > > > > breakoff, it seems as if you'd either have to rotate (or copy) the CF > > > > card, or copy form the HD which would give no indication of what files > > > > were most recent or as yet uncopied. (I assume this because the manual > > > > suggests the HD file list is in Scene Number order.) > > > > 4) Scene naming seems a little deeply nested in the menus for quick > > > > entry and there so far doesn't appear to be capabiility for > > > > post-recording editing of STN or the use of an external keyboard for > > > > entry.
> > > > Aside from these software updatable issues, the recorder seems to do a > > > > lot in a small package and the operation also appears to be simple and > > > > without too many opportunities for serious user error. I look forward > > > > to the released product.
> > > > As to the manual, there are some remaining French instructions and some > > > > imperfect translations. I hereby volunteer to rewrite the manual into > > > > American technical English and I only request a MiniR82 and a SX-ST in > > > > return. > > > > Peter
> > Thanks, Glen. > > I did stop by Trew today and spent a couple of hours with the MiniR82. > > Personally, I think the cigar box it comes in may be worth the selling > > price. Nice wooden box with compartments for the recorder, adapters, > > and the included software (which seems totally unnecessary but I hear > > it's not bad. > > I have a few updates of my earlier comments and some new ones. > > Back to #2, the PROJECT NAME system is workable but a little awkward. > > For feature use, you might want to use a new project name for each day. > > Project names are seen as folders on a computer. All the files internal > > to each folder are listed in one big group, sorted by what I think is > > either scene name or chronolgical order when viewed on the MiniR82. > > One potential problem is that when viewed on a computer, each file is > > contained in its own folder named by its SCENE NAME. I guess if you > > rceorded muliple track pairs, they would all be in this folder. But the > > actual filenames are unrelated to anything I could identify. When I > > examined the recorded files, metadata in both bext and iXML is correct. > > There is no apparent way to edit it in the MiniR82 after recording. I > > don't know how transfer machines will like the nested folders. The path > > is DRIVE:AUDIO:PROJECTNAME:SCENENAME.TAKENUMBER:FILENAME. > > Another potential film break option is to put all audio in one PROJECT > > NAME for a shoot (I don't know the number of files allowed in each > > folder.) Then you could turn in just the data from a daily reformatted > > CF (which records simultaneously) at each film break. The iso's or > > other material could be sent separately. I didn't have a CF card, so I > > don't know if this would work. > > You don't get to select from existing project names. If you enter a > > name, it creates a new folder and starts recording in it. If you want > > to pick an existing project, you have to retype its name perfectly, > > then it doesn't create a new one, just starts adding new files to the > > existing one. (This doesn't seem to be in the manual.) > > As to my previous comment #4, the scene and take naming system isn't > > too bad. If you back up one menu from the recording screen, then the > > second selection you scroll to is scene name. It's a little bit slow to > > enter the name. It works like recording a high score in Space Invaders, > > one character at a time scrolling between 36 alphanumeric characters > > and a blank. You have to start from the last entry, not an empty name. > > This makes it easy to add a letter suffix, but slower to go from a long > > scene name (107AA) to a short one (2). You woukld have to scroll to > > each blank. > > This works the same as the PROJECT NAME system. > > Here's the bad part. If you create a folder name with either leading > > spaces or internal spaces (__DAY2 or DAY_2), that folder can't be seen > > on a Mac (and it makes infinitely recursive folders in list mode). > > Windows can see them fine, but the Mac can't even though it normally > > allows spaces in fiolder names. (Speaking without knowledge, I'd say it > > uses an ASCII null (0) instead of an ASCII space (32).) Since you can't > > edit an existing PROJECT NAME (it would just make a new project), you'd > > have to use WIndows to open the folders. Scene and take naming doesn't > > have this issue because, las I mentioned above, the filename is > > unrelated to the scene name. > > The device itself is extremely solid and has some beautiful design > > features. The level setting wheels are recessed into a groove so you > > can easily adjust them but they are protected from being bumped. They > > have just the right amount of turning resistance. The display is small > > but clear. It took me about five minutes to get used to the menu > > navigation but then it was simple and relatively quick. The routing > > matrix works very well, a cross between the direct access of the Deva 5 > > and the simplicity of the 744. My complaint is with the method of > > holding buttons to select or go into certain menus. You have to push > > firmly for one second, which often seems like an eternity. With only > > four navigation buttons, I can see why a second function for the > > buttons is necessary, but I wish it didn't take so long. Maybe > > double-clicking could be a future option. A mild warning for iPod > > users, the button combination for MiniR82 Power-on (up and down > > simultaneously) is the same as an iPod Reset. > > All-in-all, it seems to be a great package for a lot of purposes. 10 > > tracks, 4 analog ins, 8 digital ins, 2 mic preamps, pre-record, all in > > a beautiful housing smaller than a TCD-D8. Runs on AAs which are easy > > to change in a nice compartment and goes from OFF to recording in 2 > > seconds. > > I've been thinking about one as a primary recorder. When it's built > > into the SX-ST, you get dedicated transport buttons and possibly > > keyboard attachability (I didn't try the built-in model), an extremely > > convenient form factor (particularly for insert cars), and powering > > from the mixer.As a separate unit, it would be fantastic for effects, > > free-driving shots, putting in a pocket (yours or an actor's) and > > difficult locations (mountains, trails, elevators.) Sonosax chose not > > to make a unit that would directly dock into the mixer, but maybe when > > connected, the SX-ST's transport controls will work. I don't know yet. > > My only other thought is to (sell the house and) buy two. I haven't > > tried, but I bet you could pop the CF card out of the built-in one and > > put it in the pocket model for occasional use, and then put it back > > into the mixer. You'd have to manually archive the files as they can't > > currently be copied back to the HD. > > Anyway, after letting me record from various sources, play back, > > transfer via USB to both Mac and PC, adust, reconfigure, and hotplug > > (the MiniR82) in a way that's not recommended, Glen has invited me back > > to do more tests later in the week. I'll try to find a CF card to use > > as well. I also want to burn a CD/DVD from the CF and try it in Glen's > > DV842. If nothing else comes of this, Glen may be encouraged to > > recommend me for a job out of town. > > Peter
> Hi peter ,
> You seemed to have had a bigger play than I did . You bring up some > interesting points . I am leaning towards the built in model but was > under the impression that it does not accept a keyboard at this stage . > I think too for a feature you need faster accessibility to file naming > and the ability to rename . What do you mean that the filenames were > unrelated to anything , did they not carry the scene # as per the > folder they were in . > Did you try out the monitoring menu . The way I understand is that
Peter wrote: > Tony, > I didn't spend much time in the monitoring menu, though I understand > the same thing about mono monitoring off the card that you stated. I > can try it once I have a CF card and the MiniR82 at the same time.
Tomorrow we'll borrow a CF card from our photographer (wouldn't be right to borrow one from a 744T).
> And, yes, a lot of picture editors want the alternate tracks right > away. I suppose I would have the CF go to telecine at film break, then > send the other data on a DVD when I had a few minutes to copy and burn. > I'd have a least a day or two to send the DVD before telecined material > would get to picture editorial. > Finally, I agree filenaming is a big issue. I didn't try too hard to > figure out the MiniR82's filenames. They seemed to be a letter followed > by a serial number. There was no apparent encoding of take, scene, or > project name. The folder the files were in did have this info. It was > named SCENENAME.TAKENUMBER. I don't imagine most conforming programs or > NLE systems will look at the folder name for this info, nor will > editors want to go through another layer before the files. I can only > imagine the MiniR82 is set up this way to allow it to group the 2-track > files together for the take. Personally, I prefer bwf-p for all tracks > to be together. I don't know Sonosax's reason for their concept. I can > only guess it's for the same reason the SX-ST is set up in stereo pairs > for the bus assignments. I've been told that's a necessity for it's > intended use in European broadcasting. (I'd like it better if you could > just assign channels directly to the 8 busses and not have to use them > as 4 stereo pairs.)
About the SX-ST and stereo pairs, I believe this is a misunderstanding. While the pan pot pans between odd and even busses, each input can be assigned independantly to any mix bus. The four master pots for the mix busses (that normally live there life in the full up position) control two channels each (1&2, 3&4, 5&6, 7&8), but this is just to take up less space on the board.
> But back to filenames, even the Deva II's method of partition number > followed by sequential segment number is easier to cross reference than > a non-descriptive serial number which is not displayed on the device. > And it sticks to a short name. But a filename reflecting scene and take > seems most intuitive. I will leave the suggestion as to how it is best > done to another thread which can also shed light on how various > transfer machines, NLE's and conforming software deal with the issue. > Peter
On 20 Sep 2006 15:42:08 -0700, "Peter" <pkurl...@earthlink.net> schreef:
>Thanks, Glen. >I did stop by Trew today and spent a couple of hours with the MiniR82. >Personally, I think the cigar box it comes in may be worth the selling >price. Nice wooden box with compartments for the recorder, adapters, >and the included software (which seems totally unnecessary but I hear >it's not bad.
Curious, but what sort of software is that ?
>I have a few updates of my earlier comments and some new ones. >Back to #2, the PROJECT NAME system is workable but a little awkward. >For feature use, you might want to use a new project name for each day.
Isn't the project the feature-folder, and a day is a new folder within that feature folder ?
> But the >actual filenames are unrelated to anything I could identify.
Sounds like the Merging, or Cantar file structure.
>You don't get to select from existing project names. If you enter a >name, it creates a new folder and starts recording in it. If you want >to pick an existing project, you have to retype its name perfectly, >then it doesn't create a new one, just starts adding new files to the >existing one. (This doesn't seem to be in the manual.)
Hmm, they have some updating to do in the first year i think. I'm a bit surprised by this, since the whole file system is rather essential from day one.
>Here's the bad part. If you create a folder name with either leading >spaces or internal spaces (__DAY2 or DAY_2), that folder can't be seen >on a Mac (and it makes infinitely recursive folders in list mode).
Yep, always use a 0 instead, never a _ then you are compatible.
No Bwf-P ability might indeed be ( and sure is ) a bummer, but i assume this unit needs at least 6 months to get it;s basics working more smooth.
Any idea how long on these 2 AA ? possibility to power it external ? How are the mic preamps ?
> > Tony, > > I didn't spend much time in the monitoring menu, though I understand > > the same thing about mono monitoring off the card that you stated. I > > can try it once I have a CF card and the MiniR82 at the same time.
> Tomorrow we'll borrow a CF card from our photographer (wouldn't be > right to borrow one from a 744T).
> > And, yes, a lot of picture editors want the alternate tracks right > > away. I suppose I would have the CF go to telecine at film break, then > > send the other data on a DVD when I had a few minutes to copy and burn. > > I'd have a least a day or two to send the DVD before telecined material > > would get to picture editorial. > > Finally, I agree filenaming is a big issue. I didn't try too hard to > > figure out the MiniR82's filenames. They seemed to be a letter followed > > by a serial number. There was no apparent encoding of take, scene, or > > project name. The folder the files were in did have this info. It was > > named SCENENAME.TAKENUMBER. I don't imagine most conforming programs or > > NLE systems will look at the folder name for this info, nor will > > editors want to go through another layer before the files. I can only > > imagine the MiniR82 is set up this way to allow it to group the 2-track > > files together for the take. Personally, I prefer bwf-p for all tracks > > to be together. I don't know Sonosax's reason for their concept. I can > > only guess it's for the same reason the SX-ST is set up in stereo pairs > > for the bus assignments. I've been told that's a necessity for it's > > intended use in European broadcasting. (I'd like it better if you could > > just assign channels directly to the 8 busses and not have to use them > > as 4 stereo pairs.)
> About the SX-ST and stereo pairs, I believe this is a misunderstanding. > While the pan pot pans between odd and even busses, each input can be > assigned independantly to any mix bus. The four master pots for the mix > busses (that normally live there life in the full up position) control > two channels each (1&2, 3&4, 5&6, 7&8), but this is just to take up > less space on the board.
> Glen Trew
> > But back to filenames, even the Deva II's method of partition number > > followed by sequential segment number is easier to cross reference than > > a non-descriptive serial number which is not displayed on the device. > > And it sticks to a short name. But a filename reflecting scene and take > > seems most intuitive. I will leave the suggestion as to how it is best > > done to another thread which can also shed light on how various > > transfer machines, NLE's and conforming software deal with the issue. > > Peter
Yes, Glen, sorry about the confusion. You can assign to any buss in the SX-ST, it was mainly the layout I refered to. Peter
> You don't speak about how is the sound of that machine... > Is it a secondary purpose?
> Philippe Vandendriessche > AD HOC Sound Services > Brussels - Belgium.
I, perhaps mistakenly, assume that this recorder has a completely transparent sound when used with digital inputs and outputs. I did use line level and it seemed very quiet and sounded great but I wasn't in my normal field environment with dialogue so I can't yet make a fair comparison to other recorders. Maybe next time I'll try the mic preamps. I don't believe the MiniR82 has mic powering. At least I didn't find settings for it. So it would need (for me) some external box, mixer or power supply. I can try a battery powered mic but I don't own one. The two situations where the mic preamps would be useful to me are effects recording or a free drive/wandering actor situation. I'll look at options for mics and power for those situations. Otherwise it would be fed from a mixer. Still, it is worth further investigation (and report). Peter
On 21 Sep 2006 02:15:24 -0700, "adhocsound" <adhoc.so...@skynet.be> schreef:
>Peter,
>You don't speak about how is the sound of that machine... >Is it a secondary purpose?
I cannot find any PH48 setting in the manual, meaning only dynamic, or Radio mics can use that Mic in... Meaning you definitely need a mixer in front of it if you want to record atmo's or something, pity. Then the pricetag is getting important, since a 6000 dollar 10 tracker and a 5000 dollar mixer makes it an expensive backup, even in combination with a Sax mixing console.
I also cannot find some proper listing of I/O connectors in that manual.
>I cannot find any PH48 setting in the manual, meaning only dynamic, or >Radio mics can use that Mic in...
But the pricelist shows a cable for connecting PH48 mic's :), so there must be some sort of PH in there...good, saves me a mixer. And it has a ext. power supply, also good.
Would be an interesting piece of gear in combination with a OV1..
> > You don't speak about how is the sound of that machine... > > Is it a secondary purpose?
> > Philippe Vandendriessche > > AD HOC Sound Services > > Brussels - Belgium.
> I, perhaps mistakenly, assume that this recorder has a completely > transparent sound when used with digital inputs and outputs. I did use > line level and it seemed very quiet and sounded great but I wasn't in > my normal field environment with dialogue so I can't yet make a fair > comparison to other recorders. > Maybe next time I'll try the mic preamps. I don't believe the MiniR82 > has mic powering. At least I didn't find settings for it. So it would > need (for me) some external box, mixer or power supply. I can try a > battery powered mic but I don't own one. The two situations where the > mic preamps would be useful to me are effects recording or a free > drive/wandering actor situation. I'll look at options for mics and > power for those situations. Otherwise it would be fed from a mixer. > Still, it is worth further investigation (and report). > Peter
> >I cannot find any PH48 setting in the manual, meaning only dynamic, or > >Radio mics can use that Mic in...
> But the pricelist shows a cable for connecting PH48 mic's :), so there > must be some sort of PH in there...good, saves me a mixer. > And it has a ext. power supply, also good.
> Would be an interesting piece of gear in combination with a OV1..
> R
i notice that the phantom input cable is priced the same as the dynamic, so i'm guessing that the binder 8m used to go into the device just has different pins wired(?) depending on the source and powering requirements.
they have also priced sanken mics: cos-11 and cos-22 with binder plugs so there are various mic powering options (no mention of T power though). they describe the cos-22 as wired to A binder 8m so it's also a stereo input on the binder 8m.
other than the sx series and the ov1 what other mixers would be good to use with this device? ie. 8 mic pres, battery powered, digital outs.
