Re: "Parent Trap", vers 1 vs vers 2
Anim8rFSK
<ac41fb16-7271-4da2...@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> Disney and Family Channel regularly show the 1998 version starring
> Dennis Quaid and Lindsay Lohan. Amazing how much time has passed.
> Cute movie, well done.
>
> TCM will be showing the original version later this week (check its
> listings for time) which starred Haley Mills as the girl. Nancy Kulp
> (Beverly Hillbillies) plays a camp counselor, Ruggles plays the
> grandfather.
>
> They included a few subtle bits from the old movie in the new one.
> The actress who first played the father's girlfriend later played the
> girlfriend's mother.
I didn't catch that, heh.
>
> The biggest difference between the two films is a vivid demonstration
> of the differences in parenting and discipline in the two eras. In
> the first film, both mother and father are much more strict with the
> daugther than they are in the second film. In the first film the
> girlfriend slaps the daughter for being rude, which would be extremely
> rare today. The father in the first film goes out with a prominent
> gun mounted on his jeep, today guns are rarely seen. In the first
> movie the daughter gets a telegram and her family demands an immediate
> explanation of what it means and who's it from; and do not approve of
> it. In the second film the famliies give the girls more privacy for
> their phone calls and faxes. I believe the father in the old film was
> Brian Keith, who was harsher than Quaid. The mother was much more
> formal, too.
While #2 is a pretty good film, and Lohan does a great job in it, I
still have no idea why they made it with her. The whole point of #1 is
that Mills was well known, so it was movie magic that there was suddenly
two of her. In #2, Lohan wasn't known yet, so there could well have
BEEN two of her in real life (and why didn't somebody make this with the
Olsens?) so all that movie magic was wasted. Plus the amazing effects
of the first one were commonplace by the time of the remake anyway.
The way things turned out, it might have been better for Lohan had she
not become a child star. What a waste. :(
--
As Adam West as Bruce Wayne as Batman said in "Smack in the Middle"
the second half of the 1966 BATMAN series pilot when Jill St. John
as Molly as Robin as Molly fell into the Batmobile's atomic pile:
"What a terrible way to go-go"
unklbob
> In article
> <ac41fb16-7271-4da2-8687-ad2bff524...@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
If she gets her act together, she might regain Hollywood's trust, a la
Robert Downey Jr. I've always liked her when she was trying--"Freaky
Friday" was pretty good.
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> > They included a few subtle bits from the old movie in the new one.
> > The actress who first played the father's girlfriend later played the
> > girlfriend's mother.
>
> I didn't catch that, heh.
I should note I didn't catch it myself, but read about it. Also there
were:
--used the original ranchhouse as an exterior view.
--LL was briefly singing "Let's Get Together" which was a big part of
the original movie.
The DVD of PT vers 1 is narrated by Halley Mills which is interesting.
> The way things turned out, it might have been better for Lohan had she
> not become a child star. What a waste. :(
Sad.
Bill Anderson
> In article
> <ac41fb16-7271-4da2...@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
> hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>
>>
>> TCM will be showing the original version later this week (check its
>> listings for time) which starred Haley Mills as the girl. Nancy Kulp
>> (Beverly Hillbillies) plays a camp counselor, Ruggles plays the
>> grandfather.
>>
Imagine being a 13-year-old boy watching dual Hayley Millses and
becoming fascinated, I mean really fascinated, by the one from
California. Didn't care much for the hoity-toity one from Philadelphia
or wherever, but did you see the way the one from California had a habit
of licking her lips? A memory as fresh as the day it was formed.
--
Bill Anderson
I am the Mighty Favog
miker
> fascinated, I mean really fascinated, by the one from California.
I remember that perfectly well. :)
Tangentially on topic, I also recently got the first season of the Patty
Duke show. Interesting... turns out they didn't show the pilot until the end
of the first season, because they'd shot it with a different dad. So they
fixed it up with a few new scenes and used it for the last show of the first
season.
miker
Kingo Gondo
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And somewhere in Maryland, steve is now adding this film to his Netflix
queue....
Bill Steele
Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
> While #2 is a pretty good film, and Lohan does a great job in it, I
> still have no idea why they made it with her. The whole point of #1 is
> that Mills was well known, so it was movie magic that there was suddenly
> two of her. In #2, Lohan wasn't known yet, so there could well have
> BEEN two of her in real life (and why didn't somebody make this with the
> Olsens?) so all that movie magic was wasted. Plus the amazing effects
> of the first one were commonplace by the time of the remake anyway.
They did make a sequel/spinoff starring actual triplets.
And I don't recall any of the effects being all that amazing. They did
split screen and they did back views of doubles and that was about it.
If you want amazing (twin) effects take a look at Big Business.
Michael Black
Come on, Hayley Mills was much more appealing in "The Moon Spinners". It
was a more adult role for her, in a Disney kind of way.
I think whatever was appealing about her was she herself, she comes out
well in "In Search of the Castaways" too.
Michael
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> Tangentially on topic, I also recently got the first season of the Patty
> Duke show. Interesting... turns out they didn't show the pilot until the end
> of the first season, because they'd shot it with a different dad. So they
> fixed it up with a few new scenes and used it for the last show of the first
> season.
Patty Duke reruns are shown on "ThisTV" cable channel. I taped one
and watched it for about five minutes then turned it off. It did not
age well.
Amazing how Schallert is still acting. He was just on "The Deep
End". No tribbles.
ThisTV also runs "Sea Hunt". A little more interesting, but also time
has taken its toll. By today's standards, the show is over
dramatized.
David Oberman
<kingo_nos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>And somewhere in Maryland, steve is now adding this film to his Netflix
>queue....
steve lives in Maryland? I thought he lived in Idaho (?)
I live in O.C. It occurs to me that I don't know where a lot of you
live -- Gondo, where do you live? Boston?
Bill lives in Manhattan. Dave lives in Toronto (presumably).
Jacques Barzun, after nearly a lifetime in New York, moved to San
Antonio TX several years back.
Kingo Gondo
"Michael Black" <et...@ncf.ca> wrote in message
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This is the steve I am talking about:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.europe/msg/d4ba5336481b1460?hl=en
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.past-films/msg/731b888f4c9bed60?hl=en
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.past-films/msg/0c286a5834a96eb6?hl=en
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.past-films/msg/243161a31e7e2a51?hl=en
Kingo Gondo
"David Oberman" <DavidO...@att.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:04:27 -0500, "Kingo Gondo"
> <kingo_nos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>And somewhere in Maryland, steve is now adding this film to his Netflix
>>queue....
>
> steve lives in Maryland? I thought he lived in Idaho (?)
>
> I live in O.C. It occurs to me that I don't know where a lot of you
> live -- Gondo, where do you live? Boston?
>
I think he used to be in Maryland, but someplace in dumbfuck Idaho would fit
(PS--I have a good friend from college who lives in Boise).
I am in SE FL, which has been stated repeatedly.
william
>
> ThisTV also runs "Sea Hunt". A little more interesting, but also time
> has taken its toll. By today's standards, the show is over
> dramatized.
I caught several episodes of "Sea Hunt" on hulu or sling or whatever
and it was pretty funny. For one thing, the guy who "didn't want to be
tied down" by working for the Coast Guard or police department, never
went anywhere. The stories seemed forced or contrived. I gave up on it
early on.
William
www.williamahearn.com
Bill Anderson
Bill thinks it would be fun to live in Manhattan, but presently he lives
in Washington, DC. *waves to Steve*
David Oberman
<kingo_nos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I am in SE FL, which has been stated repeatedly.
I forgot. I don't know how you stand the humidity in Florida. I guess
some people love tropical climate. When the weather makes me hot &
clammy, I get physically ill: headache, sour stomach, dizziness,
vertigo. I can't live in it.
I don't mind it hot & super-dry because the A/C works instantaneously
& you don't sweat drenches.
Perfect climate: Arcata/Humboldt County
David Oberman
<billand...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Bill lives in Manhattan. Dave lives in Toronto (presumably).
>>
>Bill thinks it would be fun to live in Manhattan, but presently he lives
>in Washington, DC.
DC, that's what I meant. To me, they're practically interchangeable
because I live in Southern California, two continents away.
Howard Brazee
<billand...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Imagine being a 13-year-old boy watching dual Hayley Millses and
>becoming fascinated, I mean really fascinated, by the one from
>California. Didn't care much for the hoity-toity one from Philadelphia
>or wherever, but did you see the way the one from California had a habit
>of licking her lips? A memory as fresh as the day it was formed.
I don't need to imagine. I remember.
Although I liked In Search of the Castaways better.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
Howard Brazee
>ThisTV also runs "Sea Hunt". A little more interesting, but also time
>has taken its toll. By today's standards, the show is over
>dramatized.
That was a show that lost a lot of money by being too cheap to use
(expensive) color.
Howard Brazee
<DavidO...@att.net> wrote:
>I forgot. I don't know how you stand the humidity in Florida. I guess
>some people love tropical climate. When the weather makes me hot &
>clammy, I get physically ill: headache, sour stomach, dizziness,
>vertigo. I can't live in it.
>
>I don't mind it hot & super-dry because the A/C works instantaneously
>& you don't sweat drenches.
And swamp coolers work cheaply. I don't stick to my sheets out
west. But my nose gets dry.
People visiting from humid places often don't drink enough in arid
places, as they don't think they are using up water.
Anim8rFSK
<8e07b291-8fb1-473a...@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
unklbob <mcgri...@aol.com> wrote:
I liked her in a lot of stuff, even stuff where the stuff wasn't very
good. I hope she gets her act together no matter what she ends up doing.
Anim8rFSK
Bill Anderson <billand...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hah! I'd completely forgotten, but I had a huge crush on Cathy Lane,
and thought Patty Lane was just annoying. :)
Anim8rFSK
<9a6eb6a7-ffd0-4291...@z19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
william <wlah...@gmail.com> wrote:
"never went anywhere" in what sense? The few episodes I caught recently
had him diving on assignments all over the world.
Dymphna
Maybe because Brian Keith was never cute. :cool::rolleyes: LOL
--
Dymphna
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hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> >ThisTV also runs "Sea Hunt". A little more interesting, but also time
> >has taken its toll. By today's standards, the show is over
> >dramatized.
>
> That was a show that lost a lot of money by being too cheap to use
> (expensive) color.
Huh? In the time Sea Hunt was made color was very rare on TV.
Actually they used a good grade of b&w film; it has good tonal
rendition compared to some other old TV shows that look much more
flat. I think the maker, Ziv, specialized in low cost productions.
Also I believe Sea Hunt ran for several seasons and then for years in
syndication so I presume it was successful.
Howard Brazee
>> That was a show that lost a lot of money by being too cheap to use
>> (expensive) color.
>
>Huh? In the time Sea Hunt was made color was very rare on TV.
>Actually they used a good grade of b&w film; it has good tonal
>rendition compared to some other old TV shows that look much more
>flat. I think the maker, Ziv, specialized in low cost productions.
Yep.
>Also I believe Sea Hunt ran for several seasons and then for years in
>syndication so I presume it was successful.
It would have run a lot longer in syndication as TV moved to all
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> >Also I believe Sea Hunt ran for several seasons and then for years in
> >syndication so I presume it was successful.
>
> It would have run a lot longer in syndication as TV moved to all
> color.
Sea Hunt was very much a 1950s TV show--the drama was way overdone.
In color or not, by the 1970s that kind of genre was out of date.
Tape an episode and watch it--by today's standards it doesn't come off
very well.
(Several of my friends were fans when we were kids and I copied some
episodes to share with them. We all agreed the show had not 'aged
well'.)
Another example of the overwrought 1950s style would be the comedy
film "Airplane". The producers punched up the script from a 1950s
film called Zero Hour--it was the same plot and almost the same
dialogue--poisoned pilots rescued by a troubled veteran and his ex-
stewardess girlfriend. By today's standards it was so overwrought the
same dialogue today came off comical.
The "Police Squad" series (same producers as Airplane) used a bunch of
veteran baritone-voiced actors who once made those somber dramas with
the same ultra-serious dialogue, and it came off funny. If you catch
an old Leslie Nielson production where he's being serious, it's hard
not to laugh at it.
miker
In color or not, by the 1970s that kind of genre was out of date.
Tape an episode and watch it--by today's standards it doesn't come off
very well.>>
OTOH, there is one scene that still haunts me... can't say that for most of
the other TV back then. Jet pilot sitting in his plane underwater after
ditching... "surviving in his oxygen mask"... Lloyd is trying to cut his way
in to release him while not injuring him or blowing up oxygen tanks, etc. At
the end the pilot is just running out of air, pulling off his mask, pushing
on the canopy in an explosion of bubbles, and they get it open and
buddy-breathe him up. Freaking claustrophobic nightmare, that one.
Gallant Men, Combat, Real McCoys, Sky King... I remember them but don't
recall any actual content.
I remember some of the kids shows from earlier, mostly local. We had a
"Lunch with Casey" show, Casey Jones, that every kid watched. Roger Awsumb
was Casey, it was on for years and years and years. One day a couple years
ago my wife is at work and she looks at a co-workers desk, and wonders "Why
has she got a picture of Casey Jones on her desk?" Turns out it was his
daughter! :)
miker
Michael Black
> <<Sea Hunt was very much a 1950s TV show--the drama was way overdone.
> In color or not, by the 1970s that kind of genre was out of date.
> Tape an episode and watch it--by today's standards it doesn't come off
> very well.>>
>
> OTOH, there is one scene that still haunts me... can't say that for most of
> the other TV back then. Jet pilot sitting in his plane underwater after
> ditching... "surviving in his oxygen mask"... Lloyd is trying to cut his way
> in to release him while not injuring him or blowing up oxygen tanks, etc. At
> the end the pilot is just running out of air, pulling off his mask, pushing
> on the canopy in an explosion of bubbles, and they get it open and
> buddy-breathe him up. Freaking claustrophobic nightmare, that one.
>
Saving people trapped underwater seemed to be a recurring theme, though
maybe that's colored by the distance of time. I vividly recall one
episode where someone was trapped and about to run out of oxygen, and he
didn't get out, all he could do was write a last message on his slate.
Maybe I am forgetting some last bit that saved him, since letting him die
does seem a bit much for the series.
"Sea Hunt" is from when tv was still relatively new, and they would try
different things. Nobody would bother filming underwater these days, too
much trouble. But since it was filmed underwater, they had to go with a
narrator rather than dialogue, which makes it different too. I did see an
episode ten or twenty years ago, and watching it as an adult my thought
was that the narrator was what told the story, much of what we saw could
be anything except for the voice telling us what was happening.
Michael
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> OTOH, there is one scene that still haunts me... can't say that for most of
> the other TV back then. ...
There was one episode where a hobby diver--guest Leonard Nimoy--
suddenly took ill with violent paranoia*. Bridges went down to
investigate and found a wartime Japanese sub that was carrying nerve
gas. The gas was leaking and even a minute touch to the skin was very
dangerous. They solved the problem by having the Navy blow up the
sub. (Yeah, blowing up nerve gas so it disperses in the water and
air.)
* Good practice for his later Smock Amok scene. Nimoy also guested on
Get Smart as a hood.
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> "Sea Hunt" is from when tv was still relatively new, and they would try
> different things. Nobody would bother filming underwater these days, too
> much trouble. But since it was filmed underwater, they had to go with a
> narrator rather than dialogue, which makes it different too. I did see an
> episode ten or twenty years ago, and watching it as an adult my thought
> was that the narrator was what told the story, much of what we saw could
> be anything except for the voice telling us what was happening.
Yes, it was 'narrator-heavy'. Today, the "Middle" is like that, too.
The high quality of the photography amazes me of Sea Hunt. Other b&w
shows don't look as good. I would've though underwater photography
and going out in a boat would've been very expensive to film
Bill Steele
<32122b76-2636-4ba5...@r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
IIRC, they filmed at places like Cypress Gardens in Florida: Inland
lagoons. Probably mixed in "location" shots where they'd go out in boats
for one day and film 150 shots of Bridges jumping into the water.
Anim8rFSK
"miker" <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> <<Sea Hunt was very much a 1950s TV show--the drama was way overdone.
> In color or not, by the 1970s that kind of genre was out of date.
> Tape an episode and watch it--by today's standards it doesn't come off
> very well.>>
>
> OTOH, there is one scene that still haunts me... can't say that for most of
> the other TV back then. Jet pilot sitting in his plane underwater after
> ditching... "surviving in his oxygen mask"... Lloyd is trying to cut his way
> in to release him while not injuring him or blowing up oxygen tanks, etc. At
> the end the pilot is just running out of air, pulling off his mask, pushing
> on the canopy in an explosion of bubbles, and they get it open and
> buddy-breathe him up. Freaking claustrophobic nightmare, that one.
Hah! I watched that one not long ago!
>
> Gallant Men, Combat, Real McCoys, Sky King... I remember them but don't
> recall any actual content.
Same here, except for "Gallant Men" which I don't recall at all.
I distinctly recall, as a little kid, trying to hold my breath as long
as Mike did when the bad guys would rip off his mask. Never even came
*close*!
Anim8rFSK
Michael Black <et...@ncf.ca> wrote:
The narrator was of course Mike Nelson himself.
Bill Anderson
>>
>> "Sea Hunt" is from when tv was still relatively new, and they would try
>> different things. Nobody would bother filming underwater these days, too
>> much trouble. But since it was filmed underwater, they had to go with a
>> narrator rather than dialogue, which makes it different too. I did see an
>> episode ten or twenty years ago, and watching it as an adult my thought
>> was that the narrator was what told the story, much of what we saw could
>> be anything except for the voice telling us what was happening.
>
> The narrator was of course Mike Nelson himself.
>
Was I the only one who was annoyed when that guy who called himself
"Mike Nelson" took over for Joel on Mystery Science Theater 3000? How
could he call himself Mike Nelson when anybody could easily tell he was
an imposter? He wasn't even wearing SCUBA gear. Jeez.
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> IIRC, they filmed at places like Cypress Gardens in Florida: Inland
> lagoons. Probably mixed in "location" shots where they'd go out in boats
> for one day and film 150 shots of Bridges jumping into the water.
Yes, the closing credits were clear it was filmed inland at a marine
park. But they still had to have a boat, underwater photographer, and
trained divers; though of course their land sets were pretty austere.
There were Hollywood producers who were quite skilled at making low
budget movies that didn't seem 'low budget'. Some of the detective or
crime pot-boilers of the day were such films and had pretty good story
lines.
I believe one such TCM low budget film was "The Jungle", about
struggles to unionize in the garment district in NYC. There was
another about a small town trying to deal with its organized crime
control of its "strip" where gambling and other vices were offered.
After some people were killed, an older man decided to run for state
DA to put a stop to it since the locals were all bought off.
(Interesting precursor to "The Godfather" on the way the mob worked.)
Seen today, some of those old films seem hokey and overdone, though
not as exaggerated as Sea Hunt. While the films are predictable,
indeed very predictable at times, they still have good story lines.
Sea Hunt was generally pretty sexist, in that when a woman got
involved in a mishap, all she could do was scream and be hysterical
while the men had to deal with the problem. But I think one or two
episodes featured a confident woman ready to assist Mike on his level.
Sometimes in the old crime dramas they would reveal "Mr. Big" to be
actually a woman running the mob.
Anim8rFSK
Bill Anderson <billand...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'd have liked it better had they made more jokes about it, yeah. :)
Anim8rFSK
Bill Steele <ws...@cornell.edu> wrote:
The episodes I've seen recently clearly credit (and show) Marineland of
the Pacific. Wiki says they later filmed in Florida and the Bahamas,
but I see some mistakes in that article, so who knows?
This sounds interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_hunt#50th_anniversary
The Underwater Videographer Podcast presented a Sea Hunt 50th
Anniversary podcast in December 2007. Appearing on the podcast were
author Eric Hanauer, who interviewed Lloyd Bridges shortly before he
died, Hollywood actress Susan Silo, who guest starred in the "Cougar"
episode of Sea Hunt, and Jeff Bridges, who shared memories of his father
and Sea Hunt.
http://underwatervideographer.tv/podcasts/dec17.html
Pinstripe Sniper
>> Imagine being a 13-year-old boy watching dual Hayley Millses and becoming
>> fascinated, I mean really fascinated, by the one from California.
>
>I remember that perfectly well. :)
I am revisiting the original on dvd and if we're talking about the
dress with the cutaway rear closely followed by the girl fight, then I
will also confess to remembering the first scene. Alas, what I
remembered as super steaming hot is now just charming.
Thanks for all the tidbits about old and new - ah nostalgia.
PsS
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Anim8rFSK
very...@nocando.com (Pinstripe Sniper) wrote:
> very...@nocando.com (Pinstripe Sniper) wrote:
>
> >hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>
> >>It was "green screen"; they weren't really there.
>
> Actually, back then, was it really "green screen" (chroma key?) or did
> they do rear projection with the previously filmed imagery actually
> being projected on a screen behind the talent?
It absolutely was NOT green screen (I assume the OP was using that as a
generic term, hence the quotes). Green screen and chroma key are not
the same thing at all (chroma key is an electronic process, like the
weatherman uses); it wasn't Chroma Key either.
In the era, and from Disney, it's either rear projection, sodium, or
blue screen. I'd have to see it to make a better guess than that.
We need a better overall term for shots like that. Unfortunately
'optical' doesn't really apply any more either. I suppose the old
"process shot" terminology is passable.
Cross posting to rec.arts.movies.past-films in case anybody there has
thoughts on this.
>
> >Yes, that was obvious. It was still a setting though and I am curious
> >if people could id them, especially the Boston street scene.
>
>
>
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hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> While #2 is a pretty good film, and Lohan does a great job in it, I
> still have no idea why they made it with her. The whole point of #1 is
> that Mills was well known, so it was movie magic that there was suddenly
> two of her. In #2, Lohan wasn't known yet, so there could well have
> BEEN two of her in real life (and why didn't somebody make this with the
> Olsens?) so all that movie magic was wasted. Plus the amazing effects
> of the first one were commonplace by the time of the remake anyway.
The Olsen twins aren't as good as actresses as Lohan.
Lohan did an excellent job in the film, better than Mills did in the
original. Lohan really nailed the British accent, better than Mills
did a US accent. This is especially remarkable given it was her first
major project.
It's unfortunate Lohan had troubles later in life because she is
extremely talented and did some good work as a teen.
Anim8rFSK
<8a149546-fcc5-4ef4...@d37g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
I agree with all the above, but I still don't see why you'd stick an
unknown in The Parent Trap; have her remake a couple other Mills things
first if you're trying to carve a career out for her.
Bill Steele
<d0c2c780-1054-4fef...@d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>,
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> Sea Hunt was generally pretty sexist, in that when a woman got
> involved in a mishap, all she could do was scream and be hysterical
> while the men had to deal with the problem. But I think one or two
> episodes featured a confident woman ready to assist Mike on his level.
Can't really fault Sea Hunt for that. It was universal. Makes me think
of the old serials, where whenever there was a fight the woman would
get knocked on the head and fall down, and the fight would proceed
without her.
The Halloween movies were a sort of allegory of changing times. Six or
seven women would be attacked, cringe and scream, and die, and then the
last one would fight back and clobber the guy.
Anim8rFSK
Bill Steele <ws...@cornell.edu> wrote:
> In article
> <d0c2c780-1054-4fef...@d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>,
> hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>
> > Sea Hunt was generally pretty sexist, in that when a woman got
> > involved in a mishap, all she could do was scream and be hysterical
> > while the men had to deal with the problem. But I think one or two
> > episodes featured a confident woman ready to assist Mike on his level.
>
> Can't really fault Sea Hunt for that. It was universal. Makes me think
> of the old serials, where whenever there was a fight the woman would
> get knocked on the head and fall down, and the fight would proceed
> without her.
Sea Hunt had more of an excuse than most; there were only a handful of
SCUBA divers at the time, and none of 'em were women.
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> Sea Hunt had more of an excuse than most; there were only a handful of
> SCUBA divers at the time, and none of 'em were women.
I recall one episode where a woman insisted he teach her to dive so
she could assist in some effort. If fading memory serves, he resisted
"it's too dangerous for a woman" but she prevailed and did well.
Anim8rFSK
<716e702b-1b5a-4322...@o3g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
Hmm. I remember an ep that started out like that, but she insisted on
diving deeper than she was ready for, so he cut her loose, and then had
to rescue her when she went too deep trying to retrieve the loot her
boyfriend stole and dumped overboard before he went to prison. :)
~consul
>> Anim8rFSK wrote:
>>>> "Sea Hunt" is from when tv was still relatively new, and they would try
>>>> different things. Nobody would bother filming underwater these days, too
>>>> much trouble. But since it was filmed underwater, they had to go with a
>>>> narrator rather than dialogue, which makes it different too. I did see an
>>>> episode ten or twenty years ago, and watching it as an adult my thought
>>>> was that the narrator was what told the story, much of what we saw could
>>>> be anything except for the voice telling us what was happening.
>>> The narrator was of course Mike Nelson himself.
>> Was I the only one who was annoyed when that guy who called himself
>> "Mike Nelson" took over for Joel on Mystery Science Theater 3000? How
>> could he call himself Mike Nelson when anybody could easily tell he was
>> an imposter? He wasn't even wearing SCUBA gear. Jeez.
> I'd have liked it better had they made more jokes about it, yeah. :)
--
"... respect, all good works are not done by only good folk. For here, at the end of all things, we shall do what needs to be done."
--till next time, consul -x- <<poetry.dolphins-cove.com>>
miker
> and loving as obscure a reference as possible. Though I have to ask, why
> would it have mattered or been refernced? This seems too tangential even
> got MST.
> --
Not at all. Sea Hunt/Lloyd Bridges = "Mike Nelson". MST host (guy after
Joel)="Mike Nelson". Hence, scuba jokes about the MST host. Didn't they make
LaCrosse and/or bowling jokes about Crow?
miker
Pinstripe Sniper
>On Feb 8, 7:56 pm, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
>> While #2 is a pretty good film, and Lohan does a great job in it, I
>> still have no idea why they made it with her. The whole point of #1 is
>> that Mills was well known, so it was movie magic that there was suddenly
>> two of her. In #2, Lohan wasn't known yet, so there could well have
>> BEEN two of her in real life (and why didn't somebody make this with the
>> Olsens?) so all that movie magic was wasted. Plus the amazing effects
>> of the first one were commonplace by the time of the remake anyway.
>The Olsen twins aren't as good as actresses as Lohan.
>
>Lohan did an excellent job in the film, better than Mills did in the
>original. Lohan really nailed the British accent, better than Mills
>did a US accent. This is especially remarkable given it was her first
>major project.
I agree. I just watched the Parent Trap remake with that notorious
milkaholic Lindsay Lohan. Honestly, I think I liked the LL version
better than the original. I think this is the first time I can say
this about a remake. (Bounty Muntiny movies?)
There were some cute/fun touches in the remake.
- the prisms in the mother's room as a tip of the hat to Hayley Mill's
Pollyanna. (which I saw for the first time as a result of this thread
and I'm hunting down a copy of "Tiger Bay" - may finally join
Netflix)
- The Beatles Abbey Road picture homage as Mother and Daughter cross
the road.
- The F word :-)
- LL briefly singing "Let's get together yeah yeah yeah"
- The camping lizard & Cruella/Mommy Dearest.
My only quibble with the remake, toward the end when he is showing her
the very special wines, I think she should have recognized the wine.
And of course like most fans of the Parent Traps, I am willing to
suspend my disbelief that such loving parents (especially a Mom) could
compartmentalize away a twin child.
>It's unfortunate Lohan had troubles later in life because she is
>extremely talented and did some good work as a teen.
I agree again. I really wasn't familiar with any of her work beyond
the sensationalistic clips about her alleged issues.
Obveeus
"Pinstripe Sniper" <very...@nocando.com> wrote:
> I agree. I just watched the Parent Trap remake with that notorious
> milkaholic Lindsay Lohan.
If you want to help her in her lawsuit, you have to remember to call her
simply 'the notorious aholic Lindsay'...no last name.
I agree that parent Trap (her version) was better than the original.
Other product that was made better the second time around:
The Thing.
BattleStar Galactica.
The Fly
Little Shop of Horrors
...and shortly we will see if Clash of the Titans can improve on the
original...even if it fails to have a flying metal owl.
Professor Bubba
<Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
Don't forget The Maltese Falcon. Actually, I think that one was a
*third* remake.
I agree about The Parent Trap. The Freaky Friday remake was better,
too.
Ian J. Ball
> Other product that was made better the second time around:
> The Thing.
> BattleStar Galactica.
> The Fly
Wow - wrong on *all* of the above (but esp. "The Fly").
Why am I not surprised?!...
--
"There's no business, like Cho business."
- Patrick Jane, "The Mentalist", 02/11/09
Obveeus
"Ian J. Ball" <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote in message
news:ijball-NO_SPAM-E54...@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com...
> In article <hnt3rg$nf6$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Other product that was made better the second time around:
>> The Thing.
>> BattleStar Galactica.
>> The Fly
>
> Wow - wrong on *all* of the above (but esp. "The Fly").
Jeff Goldblum did a fantastic job while the original version was nothing
more than a B-movie.
> Why am I not surprised?!...
Why would you be surprised that you are clueless?
Ian J. Ball
> "Ian J. Ball" <ijball-NO_S...@mac.invalid> wrote in messagenews:ijball-NO_SPAM-E54...@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com...
>
> > In article <hnt3rg$nf...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >> Other product that was made better the second time around:
> >> The Thing.
> >> BattleStar Galactica.
> >> The Fly
>
> > Wow - wrong on *all* of the above (but esp. "The Fly").
>
>
> Why would you be surprised that you are clueless?
I know you are, but what am I?!...
Mason Barge
Ocean's 11
Anim8rFSK
"Ian J. Ball" <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:
> In article <hnt3rg$nf6$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Other product that was made better the second time around:
> > The Thing.
> > BattleStar Galactica.
> > The Fly
>
> Wow - wrong on *all* of the above (but esp. "The Fly").
>
> Why am I not surprised?!...
Well, yeah, BSG is pigshit. I like both versions of THE THING - a lot.
Adam H. Kerman
>>>Other product that was made better the second time around:
>>>The Thing.
>>>BattleStar Galactica.
>>>The Fly
>>Wow - wrong on *all* of the above (but esp. "The Fly").
>Jeff Goldblum did a fantastic job while the original version was nothing
>more than a B-movie.
Oh! The original sucked because it was a B movie. Obveeus misses the
point again: Film at 11.
>>Why am I not surprised?!...
>Why would you be surprised that you are clueless?
Obveeus sucks at supporting his position, then lames the author of the
precursor article who had the nerve to point it out.
Adam H. Kerman
>>I agree. I just watched the Parent Trap remake with that notorious
>>milkaholic Lindsay Lohan.
>If you want to help her in her lawsuit, you have to remember to call her
>simply 'the notorious aholic Lindsay'...no last name.
>I agree that parent Trap (her version) was better than the original.
>Other product that was made better the second time around:
>The Thing.
>BattleStar Galactica.
>The Fly
>Little Shop of Horrors
A stage musical adaptation which in turn was adapted back into a movie?
It was ok. The music wasn't brilliant. I preferred the original, without
music.
>...and shortly we will see if Clash of the Titans can improve on the
>original...even if it fails to have a flying metal owl.
Harry Hamlin's finest performance.
Steven L.
"Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:hnt3rg$nf6$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
> "Pinstripe Sniper" <very...@nocando.com> wrote:
>
> > I agree. I just watched the Parent Trap remake with that notorious
> > milkaholic Lindsay Lohan.
>
> If you want to help her in her lawsuit, you have to remember to call her
> simply 'the notorious aholic Lindsay'...no last name.
>
> I agree that parent Trap (her version) was better than the original.
> Other product that was made better the second time around:
> The Thing.
> BattleStar Galactica.
> The Fly
> Little Shop of Horrors
More superior remakes:
A Christmas Carol. (To me, Alastair Sim will always be Ebenezer
Scrooge. Not Reginald Owen.)
The Ten Commandments. (De Mille's 1956 version was the second version.
The first was in 1923, and pretty good too.)
The Man Who Knew Too Much. (Hitchcock made the original film in 1934,
AND the remake in 1956 too.)
Ocean's Eleven. (The 2001 version is better than the original 1960 Rat
Pack version.)
-- Steven L.
Adam H. Kerman
>More superior remakes:
>A Christmas Carol. (To me, Alastair Sim will always be Ebenezer
>Scrooge. Not Reginald Owen.)
As I said in the other thread, I think we should distinguish between
remakes and multiple adaptations. The latter category has been more
successful at showing improvement than the former. There are notorious
clunkers, "Manchurian (spit) Candidate", absolutely criminal.
>The Ten Commandments. (De Mille's 1956 version was the second version.
> The first was in 1923, and pretty good too.)
>The Man Who Knew Too Much. (Hitchcock made the original film in 1934,
>AND the remake in 1956 too.)
I don't agree. The first was tighter and really moved. The second, as
it was expanded, dragged at times.
Professor Bubba
<sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> The Ten Commandments. (De Mille's 1956 version was the second version.
> The first was in 1923, and pretty good too.)
The first version is great. It tells a powerful modern story with
Bible-era material inserted. The remake is all Bible and is shot like
a silent movie. It's awful from start to finish, except for the bits
which are unintentionally hilarious.
In Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything, Julie Newmar, we're told that the
secret to being a successful drag queen is to act like Anne Baxter in
The Ten Commandments. I can see that.
Thanatos
The recent remake of The Crazies was *much* better than the original.
Invid Fan
<a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> Steven L. <sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >More superior remakes:
>
> >A Christmas Carol. (To me, Alastair Sim will always be Ebenezer
> >Scrooge. Not Reginald Owen.)
>
> As I said in the other thread, I think we should distinguish between
> remakes and multiple adaptations. The latter category has been more
> successful at showing improvement than the former.
Especially as often the point of a new adaptation is going back and
using some aspect of the original that earlier movies didn't. Batman
Begins isn't a remake of Tim Burton's Batman which isn't a remake of
the 60's movie.
--
Chris Mack "If we show any weakness, the monsters will get cocky!"
'Invid Fan' - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'
Ian J. Ball
> In article <hnt3rg$nf...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > I agree. I just watched the Parent Trap remake with that notorious
> > > milkaholic Lindsay Lohan.
>
> > If you want to help her in her lawsuit, you have to remember to call her
> > simply 'the notorious aholic Lindsay'...no last name.
>
> > I agree that parent Trap (her version) was better than the original.
> > Other product that was made better the second time around:
> > The Thing.
> > BattleStar Galactica.
> > The Fly
> > Little Shop of Horrors
> > ...and shortly we will see if Clash of the Titans can improve on the
> > original...even if it fails to have a flying metal owl.
>
> The recent remake of The Crazies was *much* better than the original.
I didn't know there *was* an original!!
Thanatos
<8cc6e650-d42c-42c5...@k24g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
Yep. 1973, Wes Craven.
http://www.netflix.com/Movie/The_Crazies/60028280?trkid=226871
Thanatos
<8cc6e650-d42c-42c5...@k24g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
"Ian J. Ball" <ib...@san.rr.com> wrote:
Sorry, it was Romero, not Craven.
Obveeus
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> In article <hntu6i$kt7$4...@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
> <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>> Steven L. <sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> >More superior remakes:
>>
>> >A Christmas Carol. (To me, Alastair Sim will always be Ebenezer
>> >Scrooge. Not Reginald Owen.)
>>
>> As I said in the other thread, I think we should distinguish between
>> remakes and multiple adaptations. The latter category has been more
>> successful at showing improvement than the former.
>
> Especially as often the point of a new adaptation is going back and
> using some aspect of the original that earlier movies didn't. Batman
> Begins isn't a remake of Tim Burton's Batman which isn't a remake of
> the 60's movie.
So we probably shouldn't count 'Shawn of the Dead' as a remake, either...but
it was still better than any/all of the Dawn of the Dead movies.