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So many of those above you don't rule out you just limit their scope;
well that's kind a the case with all artists of all mediums. They have
their highs and their lows. Laurel & Hardy, for example are comedic
demi-gods to me. They are in a category of their own.
But "good moments" with Bill Murray, and Will Ferrill for example--well
are we only supposed to addres that they weren't *always* funny. and to
compare Carrot Top, Rodriguez and Youngman, comedians, with Bill
Murray, Will Ferrill and Danny Kay, comics, isn't that apples and
coconuts?
That whole category, for me, is practically defined by the fact that I
like them without drumming my fingers on the table waiting for my big
laugh. In fact a comedian or comic that is always going for the jugular
is set up to fail, early when they can't get airborn, or late, when
they lose altitute. It's only those who have patience and take their
time (i.e are "unfunny") that set up context and countour for their
humor.
As someone who has primarily used humor with others to navigate my way
through the world (socially, professionally, theatrically) I sometimes
analyze what's going on and sometimes I don't. I'm really surprised
when I don't to a meeting where no one knows me, (e.g. a recent
physical therapy class for back-pain), and in short order I'm getting
laughs out of the crew. Usually for one liners and such; neither
planned nor previously used. I wonder how they "read" my line as humor,
since I wasn't goofy or anything. Certainly timing is critical,
brevity as well, and I would assume duality of
thinking/reversal/surprise stuff. But frequently I find there is little
of the later. They are just reading the meter of the thing. That's a
guess, it's mysterious shit.
I know that early on as a kid I got a lot of laughs from facial and
physical humor, something (I *think*) I leverage very little now.
Seeing a piece of a Danny Kaye movie the other day I remembered for the
first time since I was a kid that I was wild about him. Jerry Lewis
too. Lewis pooped out for me when I was about 15, and Danny Kaye well
before that. It's kid humor. But that's where I got going. Of course
my theatrical family critiqued jokes at the dinner table, for all the
kids, giving tips on timing, elocution, deliviery, punching certain
words. It sounds weird now, but it sure made dinner fun.
In fact as I read through your list above I realize *most* of it is
what I now think of as "kid humor" with a few exceptions (Murray, Hope,
Berle, Youngman and L&H swing both ways). Then I think--well isn't
adult humor (by which I do not mean blue humor) just "kid humor" that's
wearing a tux or a beret or something? Maybe so.
With few exceptions, the list above works for me. There's not a lot of
good humor, but maybe there never was. Maybe humor really is like the
daily paper, its shelf life is amazingly short. As stated elsewhere, my
film group is doing a comedy selection this month and no one has ever
tried it. We've talked about it before, but it's startling how little
comedy has legs. Every time somebody says, "Hey X is still funny",
others will gag. So maybe comedy is more like cheese, some LOVE it
aged and others don't even want to be in the room with it!
For me L&H, and Bob and Ray (no film work there of note), Seinfeld is
eternal, and ponderint it now very little else, except bits and pieces.
But B&R, for example, can't even get a smile out of some folks. They
are truly an acquired taste. And any humor that is an acquired
taste--maybe that says something about it's life-span; if it's that
slow in coming around maybe it appeals to something much more
fundamental in our comedic sensibilities.