The greatest accidental wonders in cinema
Elena Nakashima
scene where one of Hidetora's men is knocked down by a horse was an
accident. Well, a great one, then.
I always thought that the horse falling off a flight of stairs and
landing on its back was also an accident in Andrei Rublev. Awful
thing, poor creature, but great image. I hope it was accidental.
Tarkovsky would have been a real son of a bitch if he did it on
purpose.
Probably not surprising that both involve animals. As Kagemusha and
Dreams make quite clear, humans can be fooled but not animals.
Grand Inquisitor
crimitism, eh, criticism." And Welles laughs. Then Cotten says "I *am*
drunk." And the scene continues to play. Cotten was actually flubbing
his lines, he stayed up all night to give the impression that he was
drunk, and Welles left that in.
And everybody knows the Raiders of the Lost Ark accidental scene.
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MadiHolmes
his side of a stretcher. Completely accidental, but they left it in because
they felt it was a great way to set the tone of the movie.
MadiHolmes
dobe...@deletesocal.rr.com
>And everybody knows the Raiders of the Lost Ark accidental scene.
We do?
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Jeff Duncanson
a story of footage of a horse being killed in "Heaven's Gate". Can
anyone shed light on this one?
Jeff
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
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> I don't know if this is true or if it's an urban legend , but there's
> a story of footage of a horse being killed in "Heaven's Gate". Can
> anyone shed light on this one?
According to the IMDb: "Real horses' entrails were used to add realism to
the gorier scenes."
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dobe...@deletesocal.rr.com
>> I don't know if this is true or if it's an urban legend , but there's
>> a story of footage of a horse being killed in "Heaven's Gate". Can
>> anyone shed light on this one?
>
>According to the IMDb: "Real horses' entrails were used to add realism to
>the gorier scenes."
I can't imagine those horses relinquished their entrails without just
a little protestation.
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
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> "Frank R.A.J. Maloney" <fr...@blarg.net> wrote:
>
> >> I don't know if this is true or if it's an urban legend , but there's
> >> a story of footage of a horse being killed in "Heaven's Gate". Can
> >> anyone shed light on this one?
> >
> >According to the IMDb: "Real horses' entrails were used to add realism to
> >the gorier scenes."
>
> I can't imagine those horses relinquished their entrails without just
> a little protestation.
Come on, everyone wants to be in a movie.
Cadet Grey
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> a story of footage of a horse being killed in "Heaven's Gate". Can
> anyone shed light on this one?
One of the horses that went over the cliff with Tyrone Power and
Henry Fonda in "Jesse James" (1939) did, in fact, land on its hind-
quarters and drowned in the river below. They reshot the scene
with another horse who failed to clear the rocks below the cliff but
lived. Naturally enough, all hell broke loose between the SPCA
and 20th Century-Fox when word got out from the Missouri set.
In the finished film, the actors' stunt doubles and their mounts go
over the bluff at a spot known at the time as the Bagnoll Dam,
but the actors come to the surface two miles upriver ... in a new
location that was hastily selected because the original was such a
mess after the second horse was injured.
- Grey
David Matthews
"Cadet Grey" <cade...@swbell.net> wrote in message
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Horses were killed in Fritz Lang's "Return of Frank James". Fritz Lang
was a notoriously cruel man both to animals and to humans. Henry Fonda
loathed him with a passion.
Dave in Toronto
Cadet Grey
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>
> Horses were killed in Fritz Lang's "Return of Frank James". Fritz Lang
> was a notoriously cruel man both to animals and to humans. Henry Fonda
> loathed him with a passion.
Thanks, Dave, that's fascinating. I just transferred my LaserDisc of
"Frank James" onto DVD last week, and noticed that there were some
scenes that looked as if the animals were being mistreated. I'll have to
go back and see if I can identify the specific scene in question.
- Grey
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in _The Graduate_ was modified to make it less likely to break the glass.
They got the pastor of the church to agree it was safe if he spread his
arms, resulting in the famous image.
When Dustin pounds his head against the wall in the seduction team, he was
doing so to hide the fact that he was laughing.
Martin Koolhoven
> Grand Inquisitor <zo...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >And everybody knows the Raiders of the Lost Ark accidental scene.
>
> We do?
>
Ofcourse.
gr,
Martin Koolhoven
Nick Macpherson
>> Grand Inquisitor <zo...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> >And everybody knows the Raiders of the Lost Ark accidental scene.
>>
>> We do?
>>
>
>Ofcourse.
>
I think I know the scene but I don't want to say what it is in case I'm wrong
and I'll look like an idiot. My college room-mate liked that scene.
Vince
<dmatt...@sympatico.ca> writes:
>
>Horses were killed in Fritz Lang's "Return of Frank James". Fritz Lang
>was a notoriously cruel man both to animals and to humans. Henry Fonda
>loathed him with a passion.
A more recent event was in "Never Say Never Again" when Sean as 007 rides the
horse off the cliff, the story goes the horse was killed. The one you see in
the water later was a different animal whats more the two scenes were shot in
different locals.
European animal rights groups tryed to have the film banned, a matter of too
little, too late.
Vince
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Vince
(Nick Macpherson) writes:
>
>I think I know the scene but I don't want to say what it is in case I'm wrong
>and I'll look like an idiot. My college room-mate liked that scene.
>
>
I don't either unless you talking about that bit where Indy shoots the bad guy
rather than fight him since Ford wasn't feeling well that day? Thats not
accidental.
Elena Nakashima
May we introduce a crackpot theory that Fritz Lang left Nazi Germany
because Hitler was an animal lover who would have limited Lang's
artistic license with animals?
Cadet Grey
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>
> May we introduce a crackpot theory that Fritz Lang left Nazi Germany
> because Hitler was an animal lover who would have limited Lang's
> artistic license with animals?
We might. But let's don't, and just *say* we did. Fair enough?
- Grey
Nick Macpherson
>"Jeff Duncanson" <jeffdu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> I don't know if this is true or if it's an urban legend , but there's
>> a story of footage of a horse being killed in "Heaven's Gate". Can
>> anyone shed light on this one?
>
>According to the IMDb: "Real horses' entrails were used to add realism to
>the gorier scenes."
>
Worse than that. Coked up psycho Cimino tied fireworks to a horse and it blew
up. Noah's Ark is movie that infamously has animals and humans dying during
the flood sequence but I've never seen it.
The greatest accidental wonder in cinema: Fay Wray's nudity in King Kong.
Nowadays, it'd be digitally removed for the family audience.
One thing about DVDs is how quick filmmakers are to point out their own
mistakes. Like Fincher on the Fight Club DVD pointing out the embarrasing
moment during one of the Project Mayhem scenes when Meat Loaf is running along
and his pants fall down. The shot was too complicated to do over. That's not
one of the greatest accidental wonders in cinema though--seeing Meat Loaf's
pants fall down.
dobe...@deletesocal.rr.com
>>> >And everybody knows the Raiders of the Lost Ark accidental scene.
>>>
>>> We do?
>>
>>Ofcourse.
>
>I think I know the scene but I don't want to say what it is in case I'm wrong
>and I'll look like an idiot. My college room-mate liked that scene.
Is it the scene in which Yahweh smote the Nazis? That might not have
been planned by the filmmakers.
dobe...@deletesocal.rr.com
>>> I don't know if this is true or if it's an urban legend , but there's
>>> a story of footage of a horse being killed in "Heaven's Gate". Can
>>> anyone shed light on this one?
>>
>>According to the IMDb: "Real horses' entrails were used to add realism to
>>the gorier scenes."
>>
>Worse than that. Coked up psycho Cimino tied fireworks to a horse and it blew
>up.
Isn't this sort of thing against the law?
Elena Nakashima
> nmacp...@aol.com (Nick Macpherson) wrote:
>
> >>> I don't know if this is true or if it's an urban legend , but there's
> >>> a story of footage of a horse being killed in "Heaven's Gate". Can
> >>> anyone shed light on this one?
> >>
> >>According to the IMDb: "Real horses' entrails were used to add realism to
> >>the gorier scenes."
> >>
> >Worse than that. Coked up psycho Cimino tied fireworks to a horse and it blew
> >up.
>
> Isn't this sort of thing against the law?
Out west you get hanged for stealing horses. For blowin' 'em up,
partner, I jes dont know.
Midnight Owl
Glide in Blue"
SPOILERS AHEAD
At the end, after Robert Blake's police character has been shot and
left dead in the middle of a deserted highway a buzzard began circling
over him as the camera tracked back. This was completely unplanned and
my understanding is the director was extremelty happy with this bit of
luck. I haven't seen the film in a while (long before I heard this) so
I don't really recall the buzzard, but the next time I watch this film
I'll keep an eye out for it.
Also related to Robert Black, I recall seeing a documentary on the
making of "In Cold Blood". The scene where the shadows of raindrops
cascading down a window pane are seen on Blake's face and have the
appearance of tears also was apparently unplanned. The cameraman
noticed the effect through the camera lens and called over the
director. They left it as it was for obvious reasons.
Kevin Barnacogliano
> <dobe...@DELETEsocal.rr.com> wrote in message
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> > "Frank R.A.J. Maloney" <fr...@blarg.net> wrote:
> >
> > >> I don't know if this is true or if it's an urban legend , but there's
> > >> a story of footage of a horse being killed in "Heaven's Gate". Can
> > >> anyone shed light on this one?
> > >
> > >According to the IMDb: "Real horses' entrails were used to add realism to
> > >the gorier scenes."
> >
> > I can't imagine those horses relinquished their entrails without just
> > a little protestation.
>
> Come on, everyone wants to be in a movie.
>
Yep, a horse will even sleep with a mogul just to get ahead. He lost
out to Johnny Fontaine though.
Kevin Stalliano.
larry legallo
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But that horse gave great head.
Mike Girouard
>
> When Dustin pounds his head against the wall in the seduction team, he was
> doing so to hide the fact that he was laughing.
Anne Bancroft sheds her duds for him and all Hoffman can do is laugh?
What a strange guy! And I'll bet Anne was REAL pleased!
FoggyTown
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On 17-Nov-2003, fogg...@aol.com (Mike Girouard) wrote:
> > When Dustin pounds his head against the wall in the seduction team, he
> > was
> > doing so to hide the fact that he was laughing.
>
> Anne Bancroft sheds her duds for him and all Hoffman can do is laugh?
> What a strange guy! And I'll bet Anne was REAL pleased!
He puts his hand on her breast and she notices a stain on her dress. She
was hamming up this comedy and got him.
Samantha
This situation only happened in the rehearsal. The director, whatching
this happen thought it was part of the character that hoffman was
coming up with and had him do it in the movie. Also according to
hoffman, the reason he started laughing was because when he put his
hand on her breast she looked at him very shocked(she didn't know he
was going to do this)
Sammi
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David Matthews
say it various ways and he would choose the one he liked best. As it
happened he liked them all so he kept them in.
Dave in Toronto
David Matthews
"Vince" <holvb...@cs.comgoodguy> wrote in message
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> In article <maytb.22761$IK2.1...@news20.bellglobal.com>, "David
Matthews"
> <dmatt...@sympatico.ca> writes:
>
> >
> >Horses were killed in Fritz Lang's "Return of Frank James". Fritz
Lang
> >was a notoriously cruel man both to animals and to humans. Henry
Fonda
> >loathed him with a passion.
>
> A more recent event was in "Never Say Never Again" when Sean as 007
rides the
> horse off the cliff, the story goes the horse was killed. The one
you see in
> the water later was a different animal whats more the two scenes
were shot in
> different locals.
> European animal rights groups tryed to have the film banned, a
matter of too
> little, too late.
>
> Vince
The credit that says "No animals were harmed during the making of this
movie" has, I think, to be taken with a grain of salt.
I used to work for an optical house that specialized in reframing live
action scenes so that unwanted objects could be removed from the
image. I remember a movie based on a Jack London story that had a
scene that had two dogs fighting. The dog's tails had been tied
together to make them fight.
In Burt Lancaster's directorial effort "The Kentuckian" there was a
particularly vicious dog-fight that enraged some critics at it's
preview. I believe in was re-edited for it's theatrical release.
There were all kind of rumors circulating about the chimpanzees being
clubbed and beaten during the making of "Project X".
Errol Flynn objected strongly to the use of trip-wires in one of his
movies featuring a cavalry charge. I think it was "Charge of the Light
Brigade".
Dave in Toronto
ShaneOttawa
scene with Marlon Brando where he was stumbling through his
congratulations to the Godfather on the day of his daughter's wedding.
Coppola left in the bumbling, nervous take, and later shot Brasi's
"rehearsals" for his meeting to establish things.