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steve
I dont know if you get fox business channel, but if you do you may want to
watch Stossel tomorrow night:
http://townhall.com/columnists/JohnStossel/2010/01/06/who_is_wesley_mouch?page=full&comments=true
steve
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"It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by
itself."
Thomas Jefferson
Sir Blob
> Hi Calvin:
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> I dont know if you get fox business channel, but if you do you may want to
> watch Stossel tomorrow night:
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> steve
> --
> "It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by
> itself."
> Thomas Jefferson
cant u just pm ppl with your far right garbage instead of filling a
film ng with it?
David Oberman
>Hi Calvin:
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>I dont know if you get fox business channel, but if you do you may want to
>watch Stossel tomorrow night:
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>http://townhall.com/columnists/JohnStossel/2010/01/06/who_is_wesley_mouch?page=full&comments=true
I didn't read Stossel's latest book. Did you?
I like reading his articles, but when he is being interviewed on TV,
he has a strange & irksome habit of pausing too long before responding
to a question. He gazes ahead, dully, for what seems like eternity.
I side with John Simon in that what happens on stage or screen is a
total aesthetic experience, & that therefore anyone who has any
irksome characteristics or any grotesque or unsightly mien should NOT
be on television. This applies to Charles Krauthammer's irksome lisp,
to Henry Kissinger's grating croak, & to Ricki Lake's entire face &
body.
_______
Every revolution evaporates & leaves behind
only the slime of a new bureaucracy.
-- Kafka
steve
On 7-Jan-2010, David Oberman <DavidO...@att.net> wrote:
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> I didn't read Stossel's latest book. Did you?
Stossel is a messenger and not an intellectual leader. He's a good
libertarian, and I hope he continues to educate and recruit, but I dont look
to him for insight. No, I havent read his books. Like you, I read his
articles.
> I like reading his articles, but when he is being interviewed on TV,
> he has a strange & irksome habit of pausing too long before responding
> to a question. He gazes ahead, dully, for what seems like eternity.
Which is a real handicap these days. When I see him as a guest on O'Reilly
(and I hate that guy), for example, he never gets a full sentence out.
> I side with John Simon in that what happens on stage or screen is a
> total aesthetic experience, & that therefore anyone who has any
> irksome characteristics or any grotesque or unsightly mien should NOT
> be on television. This applies to Charles Krauthammer's irksome lisp
CK is a smart guy with a sensible outlook. You should listen past the lisp.
moviePig
> On 7-Jan-2010, David Oberman <DavidOber...@att.net> wrote:
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> > >I dont know if you get fox business channel, but if you do you may want
> > >to
> > >watch Stossel tomorrow night:
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> > I didn't read Stossel's latest book. Did you?
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> Stossel is a messenger and not an intellectual leader. He's a good
> libertarian, and I hope he continues to educate and recruit, but I dont look
> to him for insight. No, I havent read his books. Like you, I read his
> articles.
>
> > I like reading his articles, but when he is being interviewed on TV,
> > he has a strange & irksome habit of pausing too long before responding
> > to a question. He gazes ahead, dully, for what seems like eternity.
>
> Which is a real handicap these days. When I see him as a guest on O'Reilly
> (and I hate that guy), for example, he never gets a full sentence out.
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> > I side with John Simon in that what happens on stage or screen is a
> > total aesthetic experience, & that therefore anyone who has any
> > irksome characteristics or any grotesque or unsightly mien should NOT
> > be on television. This applies to Charles Krauthammer's irksome lisp
>
> CK is a smart guy with a sensible outlook. You should listen past the lisp.
I agree with David and Simon. Krauthammer's such a glowering
magistrate that I've never been able to listen as *far* as the lisp...
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steve
On 7-Jan-2010, moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:
> I agree with David and Simon. Krauthammer's such a glowering
> magistrate that I've never been able to listen as *far* as the lisp...
Maybe it should occur to you guys that politics as more than just
entertainment.
snake that swallowed your gold ring
> On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:33:52 GMT, "steve" <st...@steve.com> wrote:
> >Hi Calvin:
>
> >I dont know if you get fox business channel, but if you do you may want to
> >watch Stossel tomorrow night:
>
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> I didn't read Stossel's latest book. Did you?
> I like reading his articles, but when he is being interviewed on TV,
> he has a strange & irksome habit of pausing too long before responding
> to a question. He gazes ahead, dully, for what seems like eternity.
>
> I side with John Simon in that what happens on stage or screen is a
> total aesthetic experience, & that therefore anyone who has any
> irksome characteristics or any grotesque or unsightly mien should NOT
> be on television. This applies to Charles Krauthammer's irksome lisp,
> to Henry Kissinger's grating croak, & to Ricki Lake's entire face &
> body.
>
> _______
>
> Every revolution evaporates & leaves behind
> only the slime of a new bureaucracy.
>
> -- Kafka
Stossel is sometimes instructive but he's sometimes too dogmatically
contrarian. I think contrarianism should be skeptical and cautious
than all-knowing. It's one thing to say A may not be as true as people
think and that B may be truer. It's quite another to say A is totally
wrong and B is totally right.
Also, there's something closet-gay-ass about his looks and style.
Bill Anderson
He stutters; I've never detected a lithp. And despite the stutter, he
is the most cogent right wing talking head on TV, more likely even
than George Will to inspire me to question my assumptions. I seldom
find myself in total agreement with him on a subject, but I regularly
read his columns and watch him on Inside Washington because his views
are almost always worth consideration.
--
Bill Anderson
I am the Mighty Favog
David Oberman
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>On 7-Jan-2010, moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:
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>> I agree with David and Simon. Krauthammer's such a glowering
>> magistrate that I've never been able to listen as *far* as the lisp...
>
>Maybe it should occur to you guys that politics as more than just
>entertainment.
It is, it is, I'm sure, for both of us. But we're both such highly
ornate, mandarin aesthetic beings -- Wildean-decadent -- that we are
inclined to view all existence through our Art For Art's Sake
spectacles. We are Mallarme's own children, moviepig & I.
David Oberman
<billan...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>He stutters; I've never detected a lithp. And despite the stutter, he
>is the most cogent right wing talking head on TV, more likely even
>than George Will to inspire me to question my assumptions.
You're right; it's not so much a lisp as a pinched sibilance, like the
hissing of seventeen slithery snakes. It's most unpleasant to my
fastidious ear.
I like George Will when he speaks!
Beethoven spoke with a gutteral Rhinelande squawk, which got him
laughed at initially among some of the Austrian nobility. He also had
lifelong bouts of diarrhea.
David Oberman
gold ring <and-...@live.com> wrote:
>Also, there's something closet-gay-ass about his looks and style.
He looks like a reject from the Village People.
If people are going to solicit the attention of millions of viewers
watching television, they'd better be good-looking.
moviePig
> On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:44:31 GMT, "steve" <st...@steve.com> wrote:
>
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> >> I agree with David and Simon. Krauthammer's such a glowering
> >> magistrate that I've never been able to listen as *far* as the lisp...
>
> >Maybe it should occur to you guys that politics as more than just
> >entertainment.
>
> It is, it is, I'm sure, for both of us. But we're both such highly
> ornate, mandarin aesthetic beings -- Wildean-decadent -- that we are
> inclined to view all existence through our Art For Art's Sake
> spectacles. We are Mallarme's own children, moviepig & I.
(Dad liked you best.) Steve should note that, here, we're brought
full-circle in his Debussy catechism, with 'Prelude to the Afternoon
of a Faun'...
moviePig
> On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:40:10 -0800 (PST), Bill Anderson
>
> >He stutters; I've never detected a lithp. And despite the stutter, he
> >is the most cogent right wing talking head on TV, more likely even
> >than George Will to inspire me to question my assumptions.
>
> You're right; it's not so much a lisp as a pinched sibilance, like the
> hissing of seventeen slithery snakes. It's most unpleasant to my
> fastidious ear.
>
> I like George Will when he speaks!
>
> Beethoven spoke with a gutteral Rhinelande squawk, which got him
> laughed at initially among some of the Austrian nobility. He also had
> lifelong bouts of diarrhea.
George Will has a way with me, too. In fact, I so respect his
impromptu dialogue that I admit to having been actually pleased to
learn of a well-considered yet deplorable conceptual error he'd
committed. Before, I'd felt somehow un-entitled to think on any
topics he might...
steve
On 7-Jan-2010, Bill Anderson <billan...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> He stutters; I've never detected a lithp. And despite the stutter, he
> is the most cogent right wing talking head on TV, more likely even
> than George Will to inspire me to question my assumptions. I seldom
> find myself in total agreement with him on a subject, but I regularly
> read his columns and watch him on Inside Washington because his views
> are almost always worth consideration.
My wife tells me that Krauthammer is in a wheelchair, and that and his
speech problems are due to some disease or disorder. That is why he never
travels with the other fox pundits. I dont know the details, but I would
hope even the leftys would cut him slack on that count.
steve
On 7-Jan-2010, moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:
> George Will has a way with me, too. In fact, I so respect his
> impromptu dialogue that I admit to having been actually pleased to
> learn of a well-considered yet deplorable conceptual error he'd
> committed. Before, I'd felt somehow un-entitled to think on any
> topics he might...
Will has always bothered me because he speaks seemingly with intelligence
and authority, but so often reasons like a good-govt neocon. He gives aid
and comfort to the left by taking statist positions with conservative
rhetoric. I'll bet he is the lefts favorite "conservative".
steve
On 7-Jan-2010, David Oberman <DavidO...@att.net> wrote:
> >Also, there's something closet-gay-ass about his looks and style.
>
> He looks like a reject from the Village People.
>
> If people are going to solicit the attention of millions of viewers
> watching television, they'd better be good-looking.
Lessons should be learned, here. Two people that are long on substance and
short on looks/presentation are Ron Paul (speaks goofy) and Steve Forbs
(looks goofy). It frustrates me that politics is more about presentation
than substance.
I was at a bike race one time where one guy showed up on a mountain bike
(with road friendly tires). He was roundly mocked at the starting line, and
then proceded to kick our asses for 45 minutes and won on a solo breakaway.
Of course, we all laugh at those adds that say "You're only as good as your
equipment." Now I laugh even harder.
In high school I showed a Mahavisnu Orchestra album cover (remember
records?) to a friend, and he said "How could these guys be cool? They dont
even have long hair!"
Look past the superficial.
Bill Anderson
> On 7-Jan-2010, Bill Anderson <billan...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>> He stutters; I've never detected a lithp. And despite the stutter, he
>> is the most cogent right wing talking head on TV, more likely even
>> than George Will to inspire me to question my assumptions. I seldom
>> find myself in total agreement with him on a subject, but I regularly
>> read his columns and watch him on Inside Washington because his views
>> are almost always worth consideration.
>
> My wife tells me that Krauthammer is in a wheelchair, and that and his
> speech problems are due to some disease or disorder. That is why he never
> travels with the other fox pundits. I dont know the details, but I would
> hope even the leftys would cut him slack on that count.
>
Geez, Steve, the man was paralyzed in a diving accident while in med
school -- that's why he's in a wheelchair. He went on to become a
highly respected psychiatrist and later worked in the Carter
administration and after that wrote speeches for Walter Mondale. I don't
know why he stutters; maybe he just stutters. Who cares? It doesn't
matter and you earn no rightwing-persecution points by appealing for
lefty sympathy on his behalf. He's quite capable of holding his own.
I'm also told by someone I know who knows him that he is a delightful,
warm human being and I'd just love him if I ever got to know him. Of
course she said the same thing about George W. Bush, so I dunno. Heck,
she could be right about Bush too and it still wouldn't change my
opinion of him. Krauthammer, on the other hand, would be interesting to
hang around with, I think. He may be often wrong, but he's never
irrational and I admire that.
David Oberman
<pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:
>> It is, it is, I'm sure, for both of us. But we're both such highly
>> ornate, mandarin aesthetic beings -- Wildean-decadent -- that we are
>> inclined to view all existence through our Art For Art's Sake
>> spectacles. We are Mallarme's own children, moviepig & I.
>
>(Dad liked you best.) Steve should note that, here, we're brought
>full-circle in his Debussy catechism, with 'Prelude to the Afternoon
>of a Faun'...
Yes! And not only to Debussy, but to John Simon & Pauline Kael, the
former of whom once rhetorically asked the latter, "What would she do
with a sonnet of Mallarme?" in response to what Simon considered a
philistine comment she made in her review of some Bergman picture.
Did you ever see the Nureyev thing to "Faun" on YouTube?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ncz-D1Vf13M
David Oberman
<pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:
>George Will has a way with me, too. In fact, I so respect his
>impromptu dialogue that I admit to having been actually pleased to
>learn of a well-considered yet deplorable conceptual error he'd
>committed.
I don't know what that error was. You'll have to tell me. But George
Will did write about Richard Mitchell: "A cleansing fire leaps from
the pages of Richard Mitchell."
moviePig
> On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 13:50:43 -0800 (PST), moviePig
>
> >> It is, it is, I'm sure, for both of us. But we're both such highly
> >> ornate, mandarin aesthetic beings -- Wildean-decadent -- that we are
> >> inclined to view all existence through our Art For Art's Sake
> >> spectacles. We are Mallarme's own children, moviepig & I.
>
> >(Dad liked you best.) Steve should note that, here, we're brought
> >full-circle in his Debussy catechism, with 'Prelude to the Afternoon
> >of a Faun'...
>
> Yes! And not only to Debussy, but to John Simon & Pauline Kael, the
> former of whom once rhetorically asked the latter, "What would she do
> with a sonnet of Mallarme?" in response to what Simon considered a
> philistine comment she made in her review of some Bergman picture.
>
> Did you ever see the Nureyev thing to "Faun" on YouTube?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ncz-D1Vf13M
I have now. And what arresting choreography. (It looks to be an
adaptation of a Nijinsky rendition ...per a subsequent YouTube
offering.)
steve
On 7-Jan-2010, Bill Anderson <billand...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Geez, Steve, the man was paralyzed in a diving accident while in med
> school -- that's why he's in a wheelchair. He went on to become a
> highly respected psychiatrist and later worked in the Carter
> administration and after that wrote speeches for Walter Mondale. I don't
> know why he stutters; maybe he just stutters. Who cares? It doesn't
> matter and you earn no rightwing-persecution points by appealing for
> lefty sympathy on his behalf. He's quite capable of holding his own.
Thanks. I didnt recall the full story.
> I'm also told by someone I know who knows him that he is a delightful,
> warm human being and I'd just love him if I ever got to know him. Of
> course she said the same thing about George W. Bush, so I dunno. Heck,
> she could be right about Bush too and it still wouldn't change my
> opinion of him. Krauthammer, on the other hand, would be interesting to
> hang around with, I think. He may be often wrong, but he's never
> irrational and I admire that.
Often wrong? I havent noticed that.
Michael
American. The British cast real people of all sizes, while the american
search out some bimbo looking model type and place them in positions where
they do not look convincing. I have never heard of these people you talk
about in this thread, but i bett there are better reasons for disliking
them.
"David Oberman" <DavidO...@att.net> skrev i melding
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David Oberman
<pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:
>> Did you ever see the Nureyev thing to "Faun" on YouTube?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ncz-D1Vf13M
>
>I have now. And what arresting choreography. (It looks to be an
>adaptation of a Nijinsky rendition ...per a subsequent YouTube
>offering.)
Yes, it's really freaky but beautiful. The dancers put themselves into
static positions that look like the figures on ancient Greek jars.
David Oberman
wrote:
>This is one of the reasons why British TV series are better often than
>American. The British cast real people of all sizes, while the american
>search out some bimbo looking model type and place them in positions where
>they do not look convincing.
Yes. Consider Penelope Keith, a homely woman but she burns with an
inner fire & makes herself attractive through sheer talent & wit.
Bill Anderson
steve
On 8-Jan-2010, Bill Anderson <billan...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Who'd have thought a Calvin thread could grow so long without Calvin?
Or any thread, even. Where is that guy?
michael
Born. But there are many other examples also. Some actors get ahead simply
because the look great. This is especially true for women, but I suspect
that that there are some male bimbos also.
A series such as Baywatch or some cop shows such as Pacific Blue or Silk
Stalkings have too many good looking people in them. This gives them a
slighly unrealistic atmosphere. We all know that in real life, cop heroes
are often balding overweight men, and the clever detectives are seldom
stunning women with breast implants.
"David Oberman" <DavidO...@att.net> skrev i melding
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David Oberman
>> Who'd have thought a Calvin thread could grow so long without Calvin?
>
>Or any thread, even. Where is that guy?
I'm worried about that little guy! Where'd he go?
Bill Anderson
I sent him a note. Here's his reply:
I'm fine, thanks, just trying to swear off usenet. I haven't even
looked at it since December 31, and don't intend to look now.
moviePig
A New Year's resolution, it appears. Auld acquaintance, longing to be
forgot...
David Oberman
<pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:
>> I'm fine, thanks, just trying to swear off usenet. �I haven't even
>> looked at it since December 31, and don't intend to look now.
>
>A New Year's resolution, it appears. Auld acquaintance, longing to be
>forgot...
If Calvin doesn't come back to the group, I'm going to be bummed. I
liked talking about music in movies with him (since El Klauso doesn't
post much any more).