Great movies involving boxing
john smith
Galahad (Robinson), Raging Bull, The Champ (both versions).
Who believes they should have left Rocky alone after the first one. The
consequent 5 remakes have seemed to have added many negative vibes to
all the Rocky films, even the first. If they had just left Rocky alone
it would have gotten a whole lot more respect today standing by itself.
As Tracy once said about acting "Less is more." Something a whole lot of
marketing freaks should learn....
william
> My list includes Rocky, Body and Soul (Garfield), City For Conquest, Kid
> Galahad (Robinson), Raging Bull, The Champ (both versions).
>
The Set-Up, Fat City, 99 River Street, just off the top of my head.
William
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Old Movie Fan
original "Rocky," Those two are the only ones that I have eer enjoyed
watching because of the story contained in them. It's interesting to
note that the same two men were producers of both films, some 30 years
apart.
I was surprised your list didn't include the mostly factual story,
"Somebody Up There Likes Me," about the life of Rocky Graziano.
TCM will show it again on December 8th.
In addition, Hitchcock made two silent boxing stories, "The Ring" and
"Broken Blossoms." Both are pretty good boxing films.
Rich Wagner
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> In addition, Hitchcock made two silent boxing stories, "The Ring" and
> "Broken Blossoms." Both are pretty good boxing films.
>
I think the full title of the latter is "Broken Blossoms: The Yellow
Man and the MacGuffin."
john smith
Michael O'Connor
> Galahad (Robinson), Raging Bull, The Champ (both versions).
I thought the Champ remake with Jon Voight was terrible.
Cinderella Man was another great boxing movie.
Dave in Toronto
Probably of curiosity value mainly are the two Tony Curtis boxing
movies _The Square Jungle_ and _Flesh and Fury_. In Flesh and Fury_
he plays a deaf and dumb boxer.
Dave in Toronto
Halmyre
"Boxing Helena".
I'll get my coat...
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FoggyTown
Requiem For A Heavyweight
Kuskokwim
> My list includes Rocky, Body and Soul (Garfield), City For Conquest, Kid
> Galahad (Robinson), Raging Bull, The Champ (both versions).
>
Hard Times.
TT
Yes.
Cinderella Man.
tomcervo
the on-set viewers when Stallone attempted to box. The other end of
the scale is Robert Ryan in "The Set-Up". Reportedly the authenticity
of that fight caused Scorsese to go to impressionistic shots in
"Raging Bull"--he wouldn't shoot something that could be unfavorably
compared.
The scenes before the fight are almost better, and Audrey Totter is
the perfect dame.
Michael O'Connor
were well done.
william
>. The other end of
> the scale is Robert Ryan in "The Set-Up". Reportedly the authenticity
> of that fight caused Scorsese to go to impressionistic shots in
> "Raging Bull"--he wouldn't shoot something that could be unfavorably
> compared.
I'm also a big fan of "The Set-Up." According to Thelma Schoonmaker,
Michael Powell remarked to Scorsese that the red boxing gloves were
distracting and Scorsese decided to shoot the film in black and white.
That's what she told Leonard Lopate during an interview. For my dough,
I'll take Robert Ryan over Robert Deniro in boxing films.
William
www.williamahearn.com
Sol L. Siegel
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> In addition, Hitchcock made two silent boxing stories, "The Ring" and
> "Broken Blossoms." Both are pretty good boxing films.
"Broken Blossoms" is a 1919 D.W. Griffith movie. With Richard Barthelmess
as the Chinese man, Lillian Gish as the abused daughter and Donald Crisp as
the abusive boxer/father. Haven't seen it in ages, but it's still pretty
well established as one of the better Griffith films.
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0009968/
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- Sol L. Siegel, Philadelphia, PA USA
Sol L. Siegel
>> Hard Times.
>
> Yes.
Thirded. Walter Hill's best movie.
>
> Cinderella Man.
Ditto to that as well. The only first-rate movie Ron Howard has made in
the past 15 years. BTW, wasn't that the story that inspired Rocky?
william
BTW, wasn't that the story that inspired Rocky?
>
The inspiration for Rocky -- or so the story goes -- was based on
Chuck "The Bayonne Bleeder" Wepner who almost went the limit with Ali.
The fight was stopped at the end of the last round on a technicality.
For all his punching and fury, Ali never even knocked Wepner down let
alone out. The general take on the fight is that it wouldn't go three
rounds. I'm a big fan of Ali but that day Wepner won the hearts and
minds of the boxing audience.
William
www.williamahearn.com
Howard Brazee
<flashgord...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Boxing Helena".
>
>I'll get my coat...
Are there any movies that feature Boxing Day?
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tomcervo
It'sa bit of a given, considering that while both are skilled actors,
Ryan had the advantage of having been a top varsity boxer in college
and the physique and movement of a skilled athlete--so much so that
they cast the taller and equally athletic Hal Baylor/Fieberling as his
feasibly dominant opponent. I'm not sure where they found the guys to
make de Niro look like a fighter, but I don't think it was a gym.
As well, Robert Wise may not have been the cognoscenti's ideal of a
great director, but he was usually smart enough to get out of an
actor's way; when he had a good cast he made a good movie,and giving
someone like Ryan his head is not a bad idea. I know that we're
supposed to think that Brando, Clift, etc. came to Hollywood and
taught them all how to act, but Ryan's work in "Crossfire" or "On
Dangerous Ground" is as naturalistic and edgy as anything that --
later--came west with Brando.
Ryan also had the advantage of a mature, rational self-image and a
contented home life--he didn't need the audience to love him. The
great tell is that when he went on stage to do his dream Shakespearean
role, it was as Coriolanus, and his dream movie role was Claggart.
There was an apocryphal story that a certain famous actor had to have
a scene written into his movies where he was beaten so that the
audience would feel sorry for him. I don't think Ryan gave a damn
about what audiences felt about his character, so long as they saw a
good performance.
william
> There was an apocryphal story that a certain famous actor had to have
> a scene written into his movies where he was beaten so that the
> audience would feel sorry for him. I don't think Ryan gave a damn
> about what audiences felt about his character, so long as they saw a
> good performance.
I'm also a fan of Ryan and one of the things that bothered me about
the director's cut of "The Wild Bunch" is that it re-inserted Ryan's
character's backstory. The last thing that Robert Ryan needs --
especially in that film -- is a backstory. All you need is to see his
face. The end result of the director's cut is to make the film more
sentimental and to mitigate Ryan's work. Recently I saw "Beware, My
Lovely" that also starred Ida Lupino (made a year after "On Dangerous
Ground") and Ryan's work is so thoughtful for a character that most
actors would toss off in quirky mannerisms and overacting. Really good
stuff. I'll watch that guy eat soup.
William
www.williamahearn.com
TT
Agreed on both counts.
TT
Suit you sir.
Dave in Toronto
Correction - Ali did knock Wepner down in the final round - Wepner got
back on his feet but the ref stepped in and (rightly) stopped the
fight. You can see it here :-http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=x7I-98nGXcc&feature=fvst
Dave in Toronto
william
>
> Correction - Ali did knock Wepner down in the final round - Wepner got
> back on his feet but the ref stepped in and (rightly) stopped the
> fight. You can see it here :-http://www.youtube.com/watch?
> v=x7I-98nGXcc&feature=fvst
>
day.
William
www.williamahearn.com
David Oberman
>> My list includes Rocky, Body and Soul (Garfield), City For Conquest, Kid
>> Galahad (Robinson), Raging Bull, The Champ (both versions).
>>
>The Set-Up, Fat City, 99 River Street, just off the top of my head.
"Abbott & Costello Meet the Invisible Man" is my favorite.
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steve
"Gentleman Jim" (1942)
Dir by Raoul Walsh and starring Errol Flynn.
Terrific film.
steve
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they don't expect you to thank them for it."
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Dave in Toronto
> Has anyone mentioned:
>
> "Gentleman Jim" (1942)
> Dir by Raoul Walsh and starring Errol Flynn.
> Terrific film.
>
> steve
> --
Surprisingly I don't think anyone has. I'd forgotten it myself.
There was also _THE GREAT JOHN L_ about John L Sullivan. Haven't seen
it but would like to, it has an interesting cast .
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0037750/
Dave in Toronto
Flasherly
> My list includes Rocky, Body and Soul (Garfield), City For Conquest, Kid
> Galahad (Robinson), Raging Bull, The Champ (both versions).
>
> consequent 5 remakes have seemed to have added many negative vibes to
> all the Rocky films, even the first. If they had just left Rocky alone
> it would have gotten a whole lot more respect today standing by itself.
> As Tracy once said about acting "Less is more." Something a whole lot of
> marketing freaks should learn....
ALI wasn't bad for Will Smith.
steve
On 30-Nov-2009, Dave in Toronto <dmatt...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Surprisingly I don't think anyone has. I'd forgotten it myself.
> There was also _THE GREAT JOHN L_ about John L Sullivan. Haven't seen
> it but would like to, it has an interesting cast .
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0037750/
Linda "Wall Eyes" Darnell and Otto Kruger...but not out on DVD,
unfortunately.
Jim Beaver
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Boxing? Hard Times? I thought boxing required gloves.
Jim Beaver