***** HINDUISM DOES NOT PERMIT A CASTE SYSTEM *****
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
By J. G. Arora
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February 27, 2005
There is a misconception in some minds that Hindu
scriptures sanction the caste system.
Vedas, the proud possession of mankind, are the
foundation of Hinduism. Vedas are all-embracing, and
treat the entire humanity with the same respect and
dignity. Vedas speak of nobility of entire humanity
(krinvanto vishvam aryam), and do not sanction any caste
system or birth-based caste system. Mantr, numbered 10-
13-1 in Rig Veda, addresses the entire humanity as divine
children (shrunvantu vishve amrutsya putraha).
Innumerable mantras in Vedas emphasise oneness, universal
brotherhood, harmony, happiness, affection, unity and
commonality of entire humanity.
A few illustrations are given here. Vide Mantra numbered
5-60-5 in Rig Veda, the divine poet declares, "All men
are brothers; no one is big, no one is small. All are
equal." Mantra numbered 16.15 in Yajur Veda reiterates
that all men are brothers; no one is superior or
inferior. Mantra numbered 10-191-2 in Rig Veda calls upon
humanity to be united to have a common speech and a
common mind. Mantra numbered 3-30-1 in Atharv Ved enjoins
upon all humans to be affectionate and to love one
another as the cow loves her newly-born calf. Underlining
unity and harmony still further, Mantra numbered 3-30-6
in Atharv Ved commands humankind to dine together, and be
as firmly united as the spokes attached to the hub of a
chariot wheel.
The Bhagavad Gita, which contains the essence of Vedas
and Upanishads, has many shlokes that echo the Vedic
doctrine of oneness of humanity. In shloke numbered V
(29), Lord Krishna declares that He is the friend of all
creatures (suhridam sarva bhutanam) whereas shloke
numbered IX (29) reiterates that the Lord has the same
affection for all creatures, and whosoever remembers the
Lord, resides in the Lord, and the Lord resides in him.
shloke numbered XVIII (61) declares that God resides in
every heart (ishwar sarva bhutanam hrudyeshe Arjun
tishthti).
Gun(n) (Aptitude) and karm (Actions)
Hindu scriptures speak only about 'varn' which means to
'select' (one's profession, etc.) and which is not caste
or birth-based.
As per shloke numbered IV (13) of the Bhagavad Gita,
depending upon a person's gun(n) (aptitude) and karm
(actions), there are four varn. As per this shloke, a
person's varn is determined by his gun(n) and karm, and
not by his birth. Chapter XIV of the Bhagavad Gita
specifies three gun(n) viz. satv (purity), rajas (passion
and attachment) and tamas (ignorance). These three gun(n)
are present in every human in different proportions, and
determine the varna of every person. Accordingly,
depending on one's gun(n) and karm, every individual is
free to select his own varna. Consequently, if their
gun(n) and karms are different, even members of the same
family can belong to different varn. Notwithstanding the
differences in gun(n) and karm of different individuals,
Vedas treat the entire humanity with the same respect and
do not sanction any caste system or birth-based caste
system.
Veda is the Foundation
Hinduism is all-embracing and grants the same respect to
all humans, and anything to the contrary anywhere is not
sanctioned by the Vedas. Being divine revelation, the
shrutis (Vedas) are the ultimate authority on Dharma, and
represent its eternal principles whereas being human
recapitulations, smritis (recollections) can play only a
subordinate role. As per shloke numbered (6) of Chapter 2
in Manu Smriti, "Ved is the foundation of entire Dharm."
shloke numbered 2(13) of Manu Smriti specifies that
whenever shruti (ved) and smritis differ, stipulation of
Ved will prevail over smritis. In view of this position,
anything discriminatory in Manu Smriti or anywhere else
is anti-Ved, and therefore, is not sanctioned by Hinduism
and has subsequently been inserted with unholy
intentions, and deserves to be weeded out.
Besides, precise codification of Hinduism in one book is
indispensable to make Hinduism easier to be understood by
a layman. For this codification, appropriate mantras of
Vedas and Upanishads, and selected shlokes in the
Ramaayan and the Mahaabhaarat (which also includes the
Bhagavad Gita), etc. will provide the basic material.
Role of Media
In order to usher in a casteless and harmonious society,
the all-embracing and universal message of Vedas has to
be followed and spread.
Both the print and electronic media play an important
role in a country's life. They should contribute their
mite to unite various sections of the society. But in
India, most of the media are unwittingly strengthening
caste and communal divisions. By publishing divisive
articles and describing political leaders and
electorates, achievers and sports persons, and even
wrong-doers and their victims as members of a particular
caste or community, the media is strengthening the
divisions instead of unifying the society. The media
should play a positive role so that there is amity all
around.
Let Your Hearts be One
Anyone believing in the caste system is violating the
Vedic command of oneness of entire humanity. Although the
first known poem in the world appeared as the first
mantra in Rg Ved, and though the Ved and Upanishads
contain the sublimest thoughts in the sublimest language,
because of a faulty education system, most of the
educated Indians are ignorant of their rich heritage
contained in the Ved and Upanishads. Most Indians do not
know Sanskrit, the language of Vedic literature. Many
persons do not know even the meaning of their Sanskrit
names. By learning Sanskrit one can read the Vedas,
though even translated Vedic literature can be studied.
We have to ensure that we do not lose our rich Vedic
heritage as it would amount ot losing our identity. To
ensure the survival of our Vedic heritage, and to bring
about unity and harmony in society, it is imperative that
the all-embracing message of the Vedes is practised and
propagated.
(The author is a former Chief Commissioner of Income Tax.
His e-mail address is: jgarora [AT] vsnl [DOT] net )
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Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
> TRIBUTES TO HINDUISM
>
> 1. Mahatma Gandhi:
>
> "Hinduism has made marvelous discoveries in things of
> religion, of the spirit, of the soul. We have no eye for
> these great and fine discoveries. We are dazzled by the
> material progress that western science has made. Ancient
> India has survived because Hinduism was not developed
> along material but spiritual lines.
>
> "India is to me the dearest country in the world, because
> I have discovered goodness in it. It has been subject to
> foreign rule, it is true. But the status of a slave is
> preferable to that of a slave holder."
>
> 2. Henry David Thoreau:
>
> "In the morning I bathe my intellect in the stupendous
> and cosmogonal philosophy of the Bhagavad Gita in
> comparison with which our modern world and its literature
> seems puny.
>
> "What extracts from the Vedas I have read fall on me like
> the light of a higher and purer luminary, which describes
> a loftier course through purer stratum. It rises on me
> like the full moon after the stars have come out, wading
> through some far stratum in the sky."
>
> 3. Arthur Schopenhauer:
>
> "In the whole world there is no study so beneficial and
> so elevating as that of the Upanishads. It has been the
> solace of my life -- it will be the solace of my death."
>
> 4. Ralph Waldo Emerson said this about the Gita:
>
> "I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad Gita. It was as
> if an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy, but
> large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old
> intelligence which in another age and climate had
> pondered and thus disposed of the same questions which
> exercise us."
>
> The famous poem "Brahm" is an example of his Vedanta
> ecstasy.
>
> 5. Wilhelm von Humboldt pronounced the Gita as:
>
> "The most beautiful, perhaps the only true philosophical
> song existing in any known tongue ... perhaps the deepest
> and loftiest thing the world has to show."
>
> 6. Lord Warren Hastings, the Governor General, was very
> much impressed with Hindu philosophy:
>
> "The writers of the Indian philosophies will survive,
> when the British dominion in India shall long have ceased
> to exist, and when the sources which it yielded of wealth
> and power are lost to remembrances."
>
> 7. Mark Twain:
>
> "So far as I am able to judge, nothing has been left
> undone, either by man or nature, to make India the most
> extraordinary country that the sun visits on his rounds.
> Nothing seems to have been forgotten, nothing overlooked.
>
> "Land of religions, cradle of human race, birthplace of
> human speech, grandmother of legend, great grandmother of
> tradition. The land that all men desire to see and having
> seen once even by a glimpse, would not give that glimpse
> for the shows of the rest of the globe combined."
>
> 8. Rudyard Kipling to Fundamental Christian Missionaries:
>
> "Now it is not good for the Christian's health to hustle
> the Hindu brown for the Christian riles and the Hindu
> smiles and weareth the Christian down; and the end of the
> fight is a tombstone while with the name of the late
> deceased and the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here who
> tried to hustle the east".
>
> 9. Jules Michelet, a French historian, said:
>
> "At its starting point in India, the birthplace of races
> and religions, the womb of the world." This is what he
> said of the Raamyana in 1864: "Whoever has done or willed
> too much let him drink from this deep cup a long draught
> of life and youth .. . Everything is narrow in the West -
> - Greece is small and I stifle; Judea is dry and I pant.
> Let me look toward lofty Asia, and the profound East for
> a little while. There lies my great poem, as vast as the
> Indian ocean, blessed, gilded with the sun, the book of
> divine harmony wherein is no dissonance. A serene peace
> reigns there, and in the midst of conflict an infinite
> sweetness, a boundless fraternity, which spreads over all
> living things, an ocean (without bottom or bound) of
> love, of pity, of clemency."
>
> 10. Shri Aurobindo:
>
> "Hinduism.....gave itself no name, because it set itself
> no sectarian limits; it claimed no universal adhesion,
> asserted no sole infallible dogma, set up no single
> narrow path or gate of salvation; it was less a creed or
> cult than a continuously enlarging tradition of the
> Godward endeavor of the human spirit. An immense many-
> sided and many staged provision for a spiritual self-
> building and self-finding, it had some right to speak of
> itself by the only name it knew, the eternal religion,
> sanaatan dharm...."
>
> 11. Will Durant would like the West to learn from India,
> tolerance and gentleness and love for all living things:
>
> "Perhaps in return for conquest, arrogance and
> spoliation, India will teach us the tolerance and
> gentleness of the mature mind, the quiet content of the
> unacquisitive soul, the calm of the understanding spirit,
> and a unifying, a pacifying love for all living things."
>
> 12. Joseph Campbell:
>
> "It is ironic that our great western civilization, which
> has opened to the minds of all mankind the infinite
> wonders of a universe of untold billions of galaxies
> should be saddled with the tightest little cosmological
> image known to mankind? The Hindus with their grandiose
> Kalpas and their ideas of the divine power which is
> beyond all human category (male or female). Not so alien
> to the imagery of modern science that it could not have
> been put to acceptable use.
>
> "There is an important difference between the Hindu and
> the Western ideas. In the Biblical tradition, God creates
> man, but man cannot say that he is divine in the same
> sense that the Creator is, where as in Hinduism, all
> things are incarnations of that power. We are the sparks
> from a single fire. And we are all fire. Hinduism
> believes in the omnipresence of the Supreme God in every
> individual. There is no 'fall'. Man is not cut off from
> the divine. He requires only to bring the spontaneous
> activity of his mind stuff to a state of stillness and he
> will experience that divine principle with him."
>
> 13. Sir Monier-Williams:
>
> The Hindus, according to him, were Spinozists more than
> 2,000 years before the advent of Spinoza, and Darwinians
> many centuries before Darwin and Evolutionists many
> centuries before the doctrine of Evolution was accepted
> by scientists of the present age.
>
> 14. Carl Sagan, (the late scientist), asserts that the
> dance of Nataraj signifies the cycle of evolution and
> destruction of the cosmic universe (Big Bang Theory). "It
> is the clearest image of the activity of God which any
> art or religion can boast of."
>
> 15. Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan, a professor of Eastern
> Religions at Oxford and later President of India:
>
> "Hinduism is not just a faith. It is the union of reason
> and intuition that cannot be defined but is only to be
> experienced. Evil and error are not ultimate. There is no
> Hell, for that means there is a place where God is not,
> and there are sins which exceed his love."
>
> End of excerpts.
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
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Hunter
> Hinduism does not permit caste system
You hindutva nazis worship the Manusmriti, and this is what it has to say:
I � 91. "One occupation only the lord prescribed to the shudra - to
serve meekly even these other three castes."
I � 93. "As the Brahmana sprang from (Prajapati�s i.e. God�s ) mouth, as
he was first-born, and as he possesses the veda, he is by right the lord
of this whole creation."
II � 31. "Let (the first part of ) a brahmin�s (denote) something
auspicious, a kshatriya�s name be connected with power and a vaishya�s
with wealth, but a Shudra�s (express something) contemptible."
II � 100. "Whatever exists in the world is the property of the Brahmana;
on account of the excellence of his origin the Brahmana is indeed,
entitled to it all."
VIII � 37. "When a learned Brahmin has found treasure, deposited in
former (times), he may take even the whole (of it); for he is the master
of everything."
VIII � 270. "A shudra who insults a twice born man with gross invective,
shall have his tongue cut out; for he is of low origin."
VIII � 271. "If he mentions names and castes of the (twice born) with
contumely, an iron nail, ten fingers, shall be thrust red hot into his
mouth."
IX � 189. "The property of a Brahmana must never be taken by the king,
that is a settled rule; but (the property of men) of other castes the
king may take on failure of all (heirs)."
IX � 317. "A Brahmin, whether learned or ignorant, is a powerful divinity."
X � 129. "No collection of wealth must be made by a shudra even though
he be able to do it; for a shudra who has acquired wealth gives pain to
Brahmana."
XI � 261-62. "A Brahmana who has killed even the peoples of the three
worlds, is completely freed from all sins on reciting three times the
Rig, Yajur or Sama- Veda with the Upanishad."
XII. 4. "If the shudra intentionally listens for committing to memory
the veda, then his ears should be filled with (molten) lead and lac; if
he utters the veda, then his tongue should be cut off; if he has
mastered the veda his body should be cut to pieces."
harmony
"Hunter" <hunt...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:hgggt5$14e$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
> Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
>> Hinduism does not permit caste system
>
>
> You hindutva nazis worship the Manusmriti, and this is what it has to say:
>
wrong premise, wrong conclusions.
hurry to your nearest mosque, it's time for you bend to mecca.
> I � 91. "One occupation only the lord prescribed to the shudra - to serve
> meekly even these other three castes."
>
> I � 93. "As the Brahmana sprang from (Prajapati�s i.e. God�s ) mouth, as
> he was first-born, and as he possesses the veda, he is by right the lord
> of this whole creation."
>
> II � 31. "Let (the first part of ) a brahmin�s (denote) something
> auspicious, a kshatriya�s name be connected with power and a vaishya�s
> with wealth, but a Shudra�s (express something) contemptible."
>
> II � 100. "Whatever exists in the world is the property of the Brahmana;
> on account of the excellence of his origin the Brahmana is indeed,
> entitled to it all."
>
> VIII � 37. "When a learned Brahmin has found treasure, deposited in former
> (times), he may take even the whole (of it); for he is the master of
> everything."
>
> VIII � 270. "A shudra who insults a twice born man with gross invective,
> shall have his tongue cut out; for he is of low origin."
>
> VIII � 271. "If he mentions names and castes of the (twice born) with
> contumely, an iron nail, ten fingers, shall be thrust red hot into his
> mouth."
>
> IX � 189. "The property of a Brahmana must never be taken by the king,
> that is a settled rule; but (the property of men) of other castes the king
> may take on failure of all (heirs)."
>
> IX � 317. "A Brahmin, whether learned or ignorant, is a powerful
> divinity."
>
> X � 129. "No collection of wealth must be made by a shudra even though he
> be able to do it; for a shudra who has acquired wealth gives pain to
> Brahmana."
>
> XI � 261-62. "A Brahmana who has killed even the peoples of the three
Hunter
> "Hunter" <hunt...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
> news:hgggt5$14e$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
>>> Hinduism does not permit caste system
>>
>> You hindutva nazis worship the Manusmriti, and this is what it has to say:
>>
>
> wrong premise, wrong conclusions.
Now now hamony you liar, you have spent years being espousing militant
hindutva ways and in 2001 claimed in response to someone who espoused a
form of Hindutva disowning the caste system the following:
"This is lame hindutva. I can't be part of any such hindutva." and
called for violence to enforce your hindutva view....
And in 2006 you said the following of the caste system:
"well said.
caste is a great help, not a hindrance.
white folks pay tons of money to form their different clubs. hindus have
devised an amazing system that keeps on going and going."
In respect to manu, he who espouses mutilation and torture of the
low-caste, you've said the following:
"The word manushya (man) is derived from Manu, the the first law giver.
Manu started it, so he should be, and is, honored as the founding father."
In 2008 jai started a thread trying to defend the manusmriti (as he has
done many times through the years) and espousing it's glories, the list
doesn't end.
You have throughout the years tried to veil these attitudes besides the
occasional slips, but it's a known hindutva ploy to play down the
manusmriti and try to "recruit" all to your cause, playing hatreds off
against hatreds, and only when trusted unmasking your true levels of
hatred and bigotry during the indoctrination of trusted members. But
anyone who has watched you both for years knows exactly what you're both
about.
You and jai are truly evil, and a blight on India, and from what I've
heard that is why you are both afraid to return there, the victims of
your terrorism are waiting to give you some payback.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
"harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> posted:
> "Hunter" <hunt...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
> news:hgggt5$14e$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
> > > . . .
> wrong premise, wrong conclusions.
> hurry to your nearest mosque, it's time for you bend to mecca.
He's got the Mecca Bends.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> Hinduism does not permit caste system
>
uNmaiviLambi
> Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> > Hinduism does not permit caste system
>
> You hindutva nazis worship the Manusmriti, and this is what it has to say:
>
> serve meekly even these other three castes."
>
> he was first-born, and as he possesses the veda, he is by right the lord
> of this whole creation."
I appreciate you for quoting Manu. For my sake, please show where Manu
says varnaas ( brahmana, kshatriya, vaisya and shudra) are by birth
alone. Caste is by birth alone. I am sure you have studied Manu.
Kindly show the references
Hunter
> On Dec 18, 12:13 pm, Hunter <hunte...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>> Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
>>> Hinduism does not permit caste system
>> You hindutva nazis worship the Manusmriti, and this is what it has to say:
>>
>> serve meekly even these other three castes."
>>
>> he was first-born, and as he possesses the veda, he is by right the lord
>> of this whole creation."
>
> I appreciate you for quoting Manu. For my sake, please show where Manu
> says varnaas ( brahmana, kshatriya, vaisya and shudra) are by birth
> alone. Caste is by birth alone. I am sure you have studied Manu.
> Kindly show the references
Not remotely interested in studying the text, jai is claiming Hinduism
has nothing to do with the caste system, I'm pointing out that it is
indeed embedded in some of the religious writings, a particular work
that those of his hindutva ilk consider to be one of the most important.
P. Rajah
Well done! You've very clearly exposed the hypocrisy and lies that these
two scoundrels represent.