Re: May Allah Punish USA for terrorising devout muslims
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
"harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> posted:
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <4b316786$0$5320$bbae...@news.suddenlink.net>,
> > "harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> posted:
> >
> >> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> >> > In article <pbjki5hl9urdhoi3s...@4ax.com>,
> >> > "Nusrat, Rowayton, Connecticut" <rizv...@optonline.net> posted:
> >
> >> >> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> >
> >> >> >> >> >On Dec 12, 2:28?am, "Nusrat, Rowayton, Connecticut"
> >> >> >> >> ><rizvi...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >
> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:20:43 -0800 (PST),
> >> >> >> >> >> "naureen...@aol.com"
> >
> >> >> >> >> >> What have you done that any American would think was
> >> >> >> >> >> subversive?
> >> >> >> >> >> One more point, ?I have better claim to being here than the
> >> >> >> >> >> Baboon
> >> >> now
> >> >> >> >> >> living in the White House.- Hide quoted text -
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text -
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>> How USA is going to distinguish between patriot Americans like
> >> >> >> >>> myself
> >> >> >> >>> and the likes who were captured in Pakistan. USA have to get
> >> >> >> >>> rid
> >> >> >> >>> of
> >> >> >> >>> everyone than. These muslim traitors are bringing a bad name
> >> >> >> >>> for
> >> >> >> >>> all
> >> >> >> >>> of us. I have not done anything that I feel ashamed of myself.
> >> >> >> >>> God
> >> >> >> >>> Knows how I fight with everyone and anyone who is living here
> >> >> >> >>> and
> >> >> >> >>> exploiting resources but can't stop themselves thinking for
> >> >> >> >>> shit
> >> >> >> >>> holes
> >> >> >> >>> they left for this great country.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Then you need to do as I do,, distance yourself from everything
> >> >> >> >> Paki.
> >> >> >> >> Especially their religion and their way of looking at life.
> >> >> >> >> If you did everything opposite of what Pakis do, I can guarantee
> >> >> >> >> no
> >> >> >> >> one here will think of you as a misfit.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>> So you've abandoned everything Paki, Islamic, Muslim, etc., but
> >> >> >>> what about your name? It gives you away. If you have truly
> >> >> >>> ditched Islam and Pakistan, how about legally changing your name?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >> >> >>> Om Shanti
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> [Removed soc.culture.pakistan from distribution]
> >> >
> >> >> >> Come on Jyotishi Ji, we have known each others for over 15 years.
> >> >
> >> >> >Not really. We have read each other's posts during a period of time.
> >> >
> >> >> Is this not what I wrote above or do you just want to be belligerent.
> >> >
> >> > I maintain that we have not known each other for 15 years, as you claim
> >> > above.
> >> >
> >> >> >> Do you still think I am a faker who says one thing and espouses
> >> >> >> something
> >> >> >> else altogether?
> >> >
> >> >> >I don't know; if you say that you aren't and are concerned about
> >> >> >people believing that then perhaps some actions could demonstrate
> >> >> >that. The name change I suggested would be one such but not entirely
> >> >> >conclusive, of course.
> >> >
> >> >> Can you make your reply lucid, I have no idea what you are talking
> >> >> about.
> >> >
> >> > Demonstrate by your actions, not in mere words, what you are
> >> > claiming (that you have abandoned Islam and Pakistan). Is this
> >> > clearer to you?
> >> >
> >> >> >> Have you any idea the kind of hassle it is to change ones name, . .
> >> >> >> .
> >> >
> >> >> >All I know is that people do it all the time. You read and hear
> >> >> >about them. I would imagine that some paperwork is involved.
> >> >
> >> >> I am not going to go thru this hassle just to placate you.
> >> >
> >> > By asking me, "Do you still think I am a faker who says one thing
> >> > and espouses something else altogether?" you showed an interest in
> >> > convincing me of your claim that you have abandoned Islam and Pakistan.
> >> >
> >> >> >> and what about my kids and other family members. Imagine the kinds
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> questions you will have to answer if your name is different from
> >> >> >> your
> >> >> >> family members.
> >> >
> >> >> >If you recall, I made this suggestion many years ago -- perhaps
> >> >> >before
> >> >> >you
> >> >> >had kids. In any event, it is not people who already know you that
> >> >> >would
> >> >> >be in the area of concern but those who don't. Do you want their
> >> >> >first
> >> >> >impression to be, "Oh, here comes another Muslim. Be careful."? That
> >> >> >is
> >> >> >the prevailing general attitude in most of the world today. It could
> >> >> >work against you when you expect it the least.
> >> >
> >> >> My kids are all grown and gone, so that is not a big concern anymore.
> >> >
> >> > But you also wrote above, "...and what about my kids..."
> >> > Evidently they were a concern to you a day ago.
> >> >
> >> >> I have about 35 intimate American/European friends who know me well
> >> >> and accept me for what I am. Most do agree with my views on Islam
> >> >> even though some find my suggestion of nuking Mecca a bit
> >> >> deranged., as this may contaminate the worlds oil supply.
> >> >
> >> > I can agree with eradicating Islam, but do you really think
> >> > that nuking Mecca would do it?
> >> >
> >> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> >> > Om Shanti
> >
> >> i will tell you what i have seen in our own setting. the fact that mr.
> >> nusrat has travelled as far as he has is indeed commendable. there are
> >> several "muslim" gentlemen in houston who would make nusrat look like he
> >> still has ways to go. and yet, these muslims too have not changed their
> >> names!!!
> >> i too asked them about their names. the reply i got was that changing
> >> names
> >> would put their lives at great risk. and also they felt they would not be
> >> quite as effective in their campaign against mummudism if they were to
> >> change their names (i did not understand this last part). a lot of white
> >> people, however, are not fully convinced about them and remain on their
> >> guard which irks these "muslims" and those who understand their pain. it
> >> is
> >> amazing to me how comfortable and pally pally the whites are with hindus
> >> though after they can be certain they are dealing with the hindus. a lot
> >> of
> >> whites are still on the learning curve on this.
> > About the issue of ex-Muslims not changing their name after they
> > abandon Islam and campaigning against it, it is likely that they
> > feel that their anti-Islam stance appears more authentic to others.
> > - Jai Maharaj
> what you say is logical - from the perspective of the people on this side of
> the divide. but look at mr. ali sina. he hasn't changed his name either. or
> anwar sheikh or suleiman rushdie.
They are believed more thus, although in the case of Rushdie I
haven't read or heard much anti-Islam from him after his famous book.
I think that he is just a rebel, not exactly an ex-Muslim.
> i have one "muslim" guy here who has become a sorta darling of many white
> people. he once observed to the whites:
> a terrorist is one who will kill you, a moderate muslim is one who will hold
> your feet to ground for terrorist to do his bit. now, theis guy too has not
> changed his mommedan name and when i asked him, he gave me the above reply.
Heh, I know a couple similar to him too. One of them owns a
restaurant -- has given it a Hindi name to make it look authentic
Bharatiya -- and depends on a western clientele. The other is a
campus critter for life, considers himself an intellectual, and
agrees with anyone about anything for the sake of the social moment.
> changing the subject a little, and yet it is deeply connected, a lot of
> these "transitioning muslims", after they are done doing their bit against
> islam, also seem to have an unfriendly to don't-care attitude to hindusim as
> well - which makes them congressi, and readily become a part of 3mc*2. thus,
> they end up ultimately as a bigger liability than if they had stayed put
> into mohamadism.
>
> now, i am not suggesting that in case mr. nusrat but it is something he may
> want to guard himself against: alternative to mohamdism is not
> anti-hinduism. on this point habshi gets good marks.
Your caution to Nusrat is right on. But, habshi (formerly Mo, etc.)
has claimed to be a Jew and implied being a Hindu, and an ex pat Paki
Muslim, lives in London, has visited Bharat once only recently as a
tourist, has published the lie that I have died . . . the list goes
on. Habshi's credibility is less than zero.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti