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Ubiquitous
May 11, 2012, 5:20:21 AM5/11/12
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By LOU LUMENICK
Last Updated: 2:00 PM, May 11, 2012
Posted: 11:16 PM, May 10, 2012
Not for the first time, Johnny Depp is all dressed up — this time as an
elegant 19th-century vampire unleashed in 1972 — with nowhere
particularly coherent to go in Tim Burton’s campy riff on the old TV soap
opera “Dark Shadows.’’
Though nearly as confusing as their wildly popular take on “Alice in
Wonderland,’’ Depp and Burton’s eighth collaboration is more fun, perhaps
more to the point, and it looks far better. It’s not in
headache-inducingly bad 3-D like its predecessor, so you can fully
appreciate the magical special effects, gorgeous costumes and amazing set
design — as well as such period artifacts as lava lamps, macramé and
troll dolls.
These touches are more satisfying than a convoluted script by
genre-bender Seth Grahame-Smith (the upcoming “Abraham Lincoln: Vampire
Hunter’’) that often falls short in its attempt to combine a
fish-out-of-water comedy with a Gothic romantic thriller.
PHOTOS: 'DARK SHADOWS' AND OTHER BIG-SCREEN REMAKES
Depp, 48, a childhood fan of the soap opera, eagerly dons white
greasepaint and a waistcoat to extravagantly play Barnabas Collins far
less seriously than in the character’s 1969-1971 heyday (which included a
pair of theatrical spinoff features).
The orphaned scion of a wealthy Maine family, Barnabas is cursed with
fangs and eternal life after breaking off a fling with Angelique (a very
sexy Eva Green), a house maid who unfortunately turns out to be a
practicing witch.
Freed from his chained coffin 196 years later by workmen on whose blood
he feasts in sanitized PG-13 fashion, Barnabas learns that while they may
still occupy his crumbling old mansion, the Collins family has fallen on
hard times.
Much of the film’s first hour is devoted to introducing characters who
have little to do. There’s the officious matriarch, Elizabeth Collins
Stoddard (Michelle Pfeiffer), who has an alienated daughter (Chloë
Moretz). Also on hand is Elizabeth’s brother (Jonny Lee Miller), who
shows little interest in his disturbed young son (Gully McGrath), whose
mother has died.
The son has a newly arrived nanny (Bella Heathcote) bearing an uncanny
resemblance to Barnabas’ long-ago true love, whom the jealous Angelique
sent toppling off a cliff.
Despite an elaborate introduction, this underexplained young woman (a
reincarnation?) largely disappears from the action — she has no scenes
with her young charge — until she’s needed for the climax.
When he’s not making a quick snack of pot-smoking hippies proclaiming
Vietnam “the last war,’’ Barnabas is mostly ordering around the
hypnotized caretaker of Collinwood Manor (Jackie Earle Haley) as part of
his grand plan to restore the Collins’ fishing empire and their mansion
to their former glories.
Barnabas is also undergoing dubious blood transfusions at the hands of
the Collins’ self-medicating in-house psychiatrist (Helena Bonham Carter)
in an attempt at a cure that he hopes will make him more appealing to the
seldom-seen nanny.
None of this sits well with the still-alive and still-breathtakingly
gorgeous Angelique, who has driven the Collins family to the brink of
bankruptcy by building her own fishing empire — but still has the hots
for her old employer, Barnabas.
“Dark Shadows’’ certainly has its moments, especially when Barnabas and
Angelique hilariously wreck her office during a surreal, CGI-fueled,
PG-rated tryst.
Burton lays on a buffet of pop music — everything from “Theme From a
Summer Place’’ to ’70s icons Karen Carpenter and Barry White — to
supplement the score by his longtime composer, Danny Elfman.
There are tons of movie references and cameo appearances by veteran
bloodsuckers Christopher Lee and Jonathan Frid — the original TV
Barnabas, who died on Friday the 13th last month — as well as Alice
Cooper as himself.
“Ugliest woman I’ve ever seen!’’ proclaims Barnabas in a fairly good
sample of the movie’s wit.
What stayed with me most was not the undernourished story line but the
film’s cool visuals — the many sliding doors in Collin-wood Manor and
wonderfully detailed docks in Collinsport and 19th-century Liverpool, all
constructed on English soundstages and impeccably photographed by Bruno
Delbonnel.
Maybe it’s because I share Burton’s twisted affection for the 1970s, but
for all its shortcomings, I’d sooner watch a sequel to “Dark Shadows’’
than another installment of the bloated “Pirates of the Caribbean’’ saga
any day.
--
"If Barack Obama isn't careful, he will become the Jimmy Carter of the
21st century."
Last Updated: 2:00 PM, May 11, 2012
Posted: 11:16 PM, May 10, 2012
Not for the first time, Johnny Depp is all dressed up — this time as an
elegant 19th-century vampire unleashed in 1972 — with nowhere
particularly coherent to go in Tim Burton’s campy riff on the old TV soap
opera “Dark Shadows.’’
Though nearly as confusing as their wildly popular take on “Alice in
Wonderland,’’ Depp and Burton’s eighth collaboration is more fun, perhaps
more to the point, and it looks far better. It’s not in
headache-inducingly bad 3-D like its predecessor, so you can fully
appreciate the magical special effects, gorgeous costumes and amazing set
design — as well as such period artifacts as lava lamps, macramé and
troll dolls.
These touches are more satisfying than a convoluted script by
genre-bender Seth Grahame-Smith (the upcoming “Abraham Lincoln: Vampire
Hunter’’) that often falls short in its attempt to combine a
fish-out-of-water comedy with a Gothic romantic thriller.
PHOTOS: 'DARK SHADOWS' AND OTHER BIG-SCREEN REMAKES
Depp, 48, a childhood fan of the soap opera, eagerly dons white
greasepaint and a waistcoat to extravagantly play Barnabas Collins far
less seriously than in the character’s 1969-1971 heyday (which included a
pair of theatrical spinoff features).
The orphaned scion of a wealthy Maine family, Barnabas is cursed with
fangs and eternal life after breaking off a fling with Angelique (a very
sexy Eva Green), a house maid who unfortunately turns out to be a
practicing witch.
Freed from his chained coffin 196 years later by workmen on whose blood
he feasts in sanitized PG-13 fashion, Barnabas learns that while they may
still occupy his crumbling old mansion, the Collins family has fallen on
hard times.
Much of the film’s first hour is devoted to introducing characters who
have little to do. There’s the officious matriarch, Elizabeth Collins
Stoddard (Michelle Pfeiffer), who has an alienated daughter (Chloë
Moretz). Also on hand is Elizabeth’s brother (Jonny Lee Miller), who
shows little interest in his disturbed young son (Gully McGrath), whose
mother has died.
The son has a newly arrived nanny (Bella Heathcote) bearing an uncanny
resemblance to Barnabas’ long-ago true love, whom the jealous Angelique
sent toppling off a cliff.
Despite an elaborate introduction, this underexplained young woman (a
reincarnation?) largely disappears from the action — she has no scenes
with her young charge — until she’s needed for the climax.
When he’s not making a quick snack of pot-smoking hippies proclaiming
Vietnam “the last war,’’ Barnabas is mostly ordering around the
hypnotized caretaker of Collinwood Manor (Jackie Earle Haley) as part of
his grand plan to restore the Collins’ fishing empire and their mansion
to their former glories.
Barnabas is also undergoing dubious blood transfusions at the hands of
the Collins’ self-medicating in-house psychiatrist (Helena Bonham Carter)
in an attempt at a cure that he hopes will make him more appealing to the
seldom-seen nanny.
None of this sits well with the still-alive and still-breathtakingly
gorgeous Angelique, who has driven the Collins family to the brink of
bankruptcy by building her own fishing empire — but still has the hots
for her old employer, Barnabas.
“Dark Shadows’’ certainly has its moments, especially when Barnabas and
Angelique hilariously wreck her office during a surreal, CGI-fueled,
PG-rated tryst.
Burton lays on a buffet of pop music — everything from “Theme From a
Summer Place’’ to ’70s icons Karen Carpenter and Barry White — to
supplement the score by his longtime composer, Danny Elfman.
There are tons of movie references and cameo appearances by veteran
bloodsuckers Christopher Lee and Jonathan Frid — the original TV
Barnabas, who died on Friday the 13th last month — as well as Alice
Cooper as himself.
“Ugliest woman I’ve ever seen!’’ proclaims Barnabas in a fairly good
sample of the movie’s wit.
What stayed with me most was not the undernourished story line but the
film’s cool visuals — the many sliding doors in Collin-wood Manor and
wonderfully detailed docks in Collinsport and 19th-century Liverpool, all
constructed on English soundstages and impeccably photographed by Bruno
Delbonnel.
Maybe it’s because I share Burton’s twisted affection for the 1970s, but
for all its shortcomings, I’d sooner watch a sequel to “Dark Shadows’’
than another installment of the bloated “Pirates of the Caribbean’’ saga
any day.
--
"If Barack Obama isn't careful, he will become the Jimmy Carter of the
21st century."
Kishin
May 11, 2012, 7:23:31 PM5/11/12
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"Depp, 48, a childhood fan of the soap opera, eagerly dons white
I guess that ends the debate about whether the white face paint was
really in the film or was CGIed out.
--
Kishin
ZZH...@yahoo.com
May 11, 2012, 7:27:42 PM5/11/12
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On Fri, 11 May 2012 5:20:21 -0400, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net>
wrote:
>By LOU LUMENICK
>
>Last Updated: 2:00 PM, May 11, 2012
>
>Posted: 11:16 PM, May 10, 2012
>
>Not for the first time, Johnny Depp is all dressed up — this time as an
>elegant 19th-century vampire unleashed in 1972 — with nowhere
>particularly coherent to go in Tim Burton’s campy riff on the old TV soap
>opera “Dark Shadows.’’
As someone who saw the movie today I have to take issue with the term
"Campy." There are a few ligth hearted moments, not really enough
to qualify as campy. This film is not campy, it is not a comedy.
All in all it's an excellent film, very well done.
.
wrote:
>By LOU LUMENICK
>
>Last Updated: 2:00 PM, May 11, 2012
>
>Posted: 11:16 PM, May 10, 2012
>
>Not for the first time, Johnny Depp is all dressed up — this time as an
>elegant 19th-century vampire unleashed in 1972 — with nowhere
>particularly coherent to go in Tim Burton’s campy riff on the old TV soap
>opera “Dark Shadows.’’
"Campy." There are a few ligth hearted moments, not really enough
to qualify as campy. This film is not campy, it is not a comedy.
All in all it's an excellent film, very well done.
.
anim8rFSK
May 11, 2012, 7:59:29 PM5/11/12
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In article <jok71k$cc8$1...@dont-email.me>, Kishin <no...@yobizz.ness>
wrote:
> Ubiquitous wrote:
> > By LOU LUMENICK
> >
> > Last Updated: 2:00 PM, May 11, 2012
> >
> > Posted: 11:16 PM, May 10, 2012
> >
> > Not for the first time, Johnny Depp is all dressed up ‹ this time as an
> > elegant 19th-century vampire unleashed in 1972 ‹ with nowhere
> > particularly coherent to go in Tim Burtonąs campy riff on the old TV soap
> > opera łDark Shadows.ąą
> >
> > Though nearly as confusing as their wildly popular take on łAlice in
> > Wonderland,ąą Depp and Burtonąs eighth collaboration is more fun, perhaps
> > more to the point, and it looks far better. Itąs not in
> > Hunterąą) that often falls short in its attempt to combine a
> > have little to do. Thereąs the officious matriarch, Elizabeth Collins
> >
> > When heąs not making a quick snack of pot-smoking hippies proclaiming
> > Vietnam łthe last war,ąą Barnabas is mostly ordering around the
> > Summer Placeąą to ą70s icons Karen Carpenter and Barry White ‹ to
> > sample of the movieąs wit.
> > for all its shortcomings, Iąd sooner watch a sequel to łDark Shadowsąą
> > than another installment of the bloated łPirates of the Caribbeanąą saga
--
So we're all agreed that Clod is as stupid as Charlie Sheen?
wrote:
> Ubiquitous wrote:
> > By LOU LUMENICK
> >
> > Last Updated: 2:00 PM, May 11, 2012
> >
> > Posted: 11:16 PM, May 10, 2012
> >
> > Not for the first time, Johnny Depp is all dressed up ‹ this time as an
> > elegant 19th-century vampire unleashed in 1972 ‹ with nowhere
> > opera łDark Shadows.ąą
> >
> > Though nearly as confusing as their wildly popular take on łAlice in
> > Wonderland,ąą Depp and Burtonąs eighth collaboration is more fun, perhaps
> > more to the point, and it looks far better. Itąs not in
> > headache-inducingly bad 3-D like its predecessor, so you can fully
> > appreciate the magical special effects, gorgeous costumes and amazing set
> > design ‹ as well as such period artifacts as lava lamps, macramé and
> > troll dolls.
> >
> > These touches are more satisfying than a convoluted script by
> > genre-bender Seth Grahame-Smith (the upcoming łAbraham Lincoln: Vampire
> > appreciate the magical special effects, gorgeous costumes and amazing set
> > design ‹ as well as such period artifacts as lava lamps, macramé and
> > troll dolls.
> >
> > These touches are more satisfying than a convoluted script by
> > Hunterąą) that often falls short in its attempt to combine a
> > fish-out-of-water comedy with a Gothic romantic thriller.
> >
> > PHOTOS: 'DARK SHADOWS' AND OTHER BIG-SCREEN REMAKES
> >
> > Depp, 48, a childhood fan of the soap opera, eagerly dons white
> > greasepaint and a waistcoat to extravagantly play Barnabas Collins far
> > less seriously than in the characterąs 1969-1971 heyday (which included a
> >
> > PHOTOS: 'DARK SHADOWS' AND OTHER BIG-SCREEN REMAKES
> >
> > Depp, 48, a childhood fan of the soap opera, eagerly dons white
> > greasepaint and a waistcoat to extravagantly play Barnabas Collins far
> > pair of theatrical spinoff features).
> >
> > The orphaned scion of a wealthy Maine family, Barnabas is cursed with
> > fangs and eternal life after breaking off a fling with Angelique (a very
> > sexy Eva Green), a house maid who unfortunately turns out to be a
> > practicing witch.
> >
> > Freed from his chained coffin 196 years later by workmen on whose blood
> > he feasts in sanitized PG-13 fashion, Barnabas learns that while they may
> > still occupy his crumbling old mansion, the Collins family has fallen on
> > hard times.
> >
> > Much of the filmąs first hour is devoted to introducing characters who
> >
> > The orphaned scion of a wealthy Maine family, Barnabas is cursed with
> > fangs and eternal life after breaking off a fling with Angelique (a very
> > sexy Eva Green), a house maid who unfortunately turns out to be a
> > practicing witch.
> >
> > Freed from his chained coffin 196 years later by workmen on whose blood
> > he feasts in sanitized PG-13 fashion, Barnabas learns that while they may
> > still occupy his crumbling old mansion, the Collins family has fallen on
> > hard times.
> >
> > have little to do. Thereąs the officious matriarch, Elizabeth Collins
> > Stoddard (Michelle Pfeiffer), who has an alienated daughter (Chloë
> > Moretz). Also on hand is Elizabethąs brother (Jonny Lee Miller), who
> > shows little interest in his disturbed young son (Gully McGrath), whose
> > mother has died.
> >
> > The son has a newly arrived nanny (Bella Heathcote) bearing an uncanny
> > resemblance to Barnabasą long-ago true love, whom the jealous Angelique
> > mother has died.
> >
> > The son has a newly arrived nanny (Bella Heathcote) bearing an uncanny
> > sent toppling off a cliff.
> >
> > Despite an elaborate introduction, this underexplained young woman (a
> > reincarnation?) largely disappears from the action ‹ she has no scenes
> > with her young charge ‹ until sheąs needed for the climax.
> >
> > Despite an elaborate introduction, this underexplained young woman (a
> > reincarnation?) largely disappears from the action ‹ she has no scenes
> >
> > When heąs not making a quick snack of pot-smoking hippies proclaiming
> > Vietnam łthe last war,ąą Barnabas is mostly ordering around the
> > hypnotized caretaker of Collinwood Manor (Jackie Earle Haley) as part of
> > his grand plan to restore the Collinsą fishing empire and their mansion
> > to their former glories.
> >
> > Barnabas is also undergoing dubious blood transfusions at the hands of
> > the Collinsą self-medicating in-house psychiatrist (Helena Bonham Carter)
> >
> > Barnabas is also undergoing dubious blood transfusions at the hands of
> > in an attempt at a cure that he hopes will make him more appealing to the
> > seldom-seen nanny.
> >
> > None of this sits well with the still-alive and still-breathtakingly
> > gorgeous Angelique, who has driven the Collins family to the brink of
> > bankruptcy by building her own fishing empire ‹ but still has the hots
> > for her old employer, Barnabas.
> >
> > łDark Shadowsąą certainly has its moments, especially when Barnabas and
> > seldom-seen nanny.
> >
> > None of this sits well with the still-alive and still-breathtakingly
> > gorgeous Angelique, who has driven the Collins family to the brink of
> > bankruptcy by building her own fishing empire ‹ but still has the hots
> > for her old employer, Barnabas.
> >
> > Angelique hilariously wreck her office during a surreal, CGI-fueled,
> > PG-rated tryst.
> >
> > Burton lays on a buffet of pop music ‹ everything from łTheme From a
> > PG-rated tryst.
> >
> > Summer Placeąą to ą70s icons Karen Carpenter and Barry White ‹ to
> > supplement the score by his longtime composer, Danny Elfman.
> >
> > There are tons of movie references and cameo appearances by veteran
> > bloodsuckers Christopher Lee and Jonathan Frid ‹ the original TV
> > Barnabas, who died on Friday the 13th last month ‹ as well as Alice
> > Cooper as himself.
> >
> > łUgliest woman Iąve ever seen!ąą proclaims Barnabas in a fairly good
> >
> > There are tons of movie references and cameo appearances by veteran
> > bloodsuckers Christopher Lee and Jonathan Frid ‹ the original TV
> > Barnabas, who died on Friday the 13th last month ‹ as well as Alice
> > Cooper as himself.
> >
> > sample of the movieąs wit.
> >
> > What stayed with me most was not the undernourished story line but the
> > filmąs cool visuals ‹ the many sliding doors in Collin-wood Manor and
> > What stayed with me most was not the undernourished story line but the
> > wonderfully detailed docks in Collinsport and 19th-century Liverpool, all
> > constructed on English soundstages and impeccably photographed by Bruno
> > Delbonnel.
> >
> > Maybe itąs because I share Burtonąs twisted affection for the 1970s, but
> > constructed on English soundstages and impeccably photographed by Bruno
> > Delbonnel.
> >
> > for all its shortcomings, Iąd sooner watch a sequel to łDark Shadowsąą
> > than another installment of the bloated łPirates of the Caribbeanąą saga
> > any day.
>
> Sounding more and more like a Netflix Blu-Ray rental.
>
> "Depp, 48, a childhood fan of the soap opera, eagerly dons white
> greasepaint and a waistcoat..."
>
> I guess that ends the debate about whether the white face paint was
> really in the film or was CGIed out.
There was never a debate, just desperate people lying.
>
> Sounding more and more like a Netflix Blu-Ray rental.
>
> "Depp, 48, a childhood fan of the soap opera, eagerly dons white
> greasepaint and a waistcoat..."
>
> I guess that ends the debate about whether the white face paint was
> really in the film or was CGIed out.
--
So we're all agreed that Clod is as stupid as Charlie Sheen?
wind...@voyager.net
May 11, 2012, 11:44:47 PM5/11/12
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On May 11, 5:27 pm, ZZH...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Fri, 11 May 2012 5:20:21 -0400, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net>
> wrote:
>
> >By LOU LUMENICK
>
> >Last Updated: 2:00 PM, May 11, 2012
>
> >Posted: 11:16 PM, May 10, 2012
>
> >Not for the first time, Johnny Depp is all dressed up — this time as an
> >elegant 19th-century vampire unleashed in 1972 — with nowhere
> >particularly coherent to go in Tim Burton’s campy riff on the old TV soap
> >opera “Dark Shadows.’’
>
> As someone who saw the movie today I have to take issue with the term
> "Campy." There are a few ligth hearted moments, not really enough
> to qualify as campy. This film is not campy, it is not a comedy.
>
> All in all it's an excellent film, very well done.
Definitely not campy. It's difficult to box it into any one category.
> On Fri, 11 May 2012 5:20:21 -0400, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net>
> wrote:
>
> >By LOU LUMENICK
>
> >Last Updated: 2:00 PM, May 11, 2012
>
> >Posted: 11:16 PM, May 10, 2012
>
> >Not for the first time, Johnny Depp is all dressed up — this time as an
> >elegant 19th-century vampire unleashed in 1972 — with nowhere
> >particularly coherent to go in Tim Burton’s campy riff on the old TV soap
> >opera “Dark Shadows.’’
>
> As someone who saw the movie today I have to take issue with the term
> "Campy." There are a few ligth hearted moments, not really enough
> to qualify as campy. This film is not campy, it is not a comedy.
>
> All in all it's an excellent film, very well done.
WR
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
May 11, 2012, 11:53:27 PM5/11/12
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In article <2u7rq75qcuc4cc29f...@4ax.com>,
as a comedy, and that's the only reason I was considering seeing it..
--
------
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..
<ZZH...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 11 May 2012 5:20:21 -0400, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net>
>wrote:
>
>>By LOU LUMENICK
>>
>>Last Updated: 2:00 PM, May 11, 2012
>>
>>Posted: 11:16 PM, May 10, 2012
>>
>>Not for the first time, Johnny Depp is all dressed up — this time as an
>>elegant 19th-century vampire unleashed in 1972 — with nowhere
>>particularly coherent to go in Tim Burton’s campy riff on the old TV soap
>>opera “Dark Shadows.’’
>As someone who saw the movie today I have to take issue with the term
>"Campy." There are a few ligth hearted moments, not really enough
>to qualify as campy. This film is not campy, it is not a comedy.
>
>All in all it's an excellent film, very well done.
>.
>
Wait, what!? It's *not* a comedy? The trailer I saw certainly pitched it
>On Fri, 11 May 2012 5:20:21 -0400, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net>
>wrote:
>
>>By LOU LUMENICK
>>
>>Last Updated: 2:00 PM, May 11, 2012
>>
>>Posted: 11:16 PM, May 10, 2012
>>
>>Not for the first time, Johnny Depp is all dressed up — this time as an
>>elegant 19th-century vampire unleashed in 1972 — with nowhere
>>particularly coherent to go in Tim Burton’s campy riff on the old TV soap
>>opera “Dark Shadows.’’
>As someone who saw the movie today I have to take issue with the term
>"Campy." There are a few ligth hearted moments, not really enough
>to qualify as campy. This film is not campy, it is not a comedy.
>
>All in all it's an excellent film, very well done.
>.
>
as a comedy, and that's the only reason I was considering seeing it..
--
------
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..
Wiseguy
May 12, 2012, 5:15:10 AM5/12/12
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Michael OConnor
May 12, 2012, 7:57:01 AM5/12/12
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> Wait, what!? It's *not* a comedy? The trailer I saw certainly pitched it
> as a comedy, and that's the only reason I was considering seeing it..
of a dark comedy, a little like Beetlejuice with a toned down Johnny
Depp in place of a manic Michael Keaton, and the whole fish out of
water trying to survive in suburbia concept of Edward Scissorhands,
and make it a 1972 period piece. Only Tim Burton and Johnny Depp
could pull something like this off. I never watched Dark Shadows, but
this does look interesting.
EGK
May 12, 2012, 11:06:27 AM5/12/12
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people can't tell.
Message has been deleted
Mike S.
May 12, 2012, 12:13:23 PM5/12/12
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On Fri, 11 May 2012 19:27:42 -0400, ZZH...@yahoo.com wrote:
>As someone who saw the movie today I have to take issue with the term
>"Campy." There are a few ligth hearted moments, not really enough
>to qualify as campy. This film is not campy, it is not a comedy.
>
>All in all it's an excellent film, very well done.
Goddamn some of you need to learn how to snip posts.
>As someone who saw the movie today I have to take issue with the term
>"Campy." There are a few ligth hearted moments, not really enough
>to qualify as campy. This film is not campy, it is not a comedy.
>
>All in all it's an excellent film, very well done.
Where Dark Shadows is concerned, campy I'm ok with. Comedy I am not.
So are you telling me that trailer's tone was inaccurate?
ZZH...@yahoo.com
May 12, 2012, 12:49:32 PM5/12/12
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On 12 May 2012 03:53:27 GMT, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
representative of the film.
<tednolan>) wrote:
>Wait, what!? It's *not* a comedy? The trailer I saw certainly pitched it
>as a comedy, and that's the only reason I was considering seeing it..
I would say 7/8 of the film is not a comedy. The trailer really isn't
>Wait, what!? It's *not* a comedy? The trailer I saw certainly pitched it
>as a comedy, and that's the only reason I was considering seeing it..
representative of the film.
ZZH...@yahoo.com
May 12, 2012, 12:51:50 PM5/12/12
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seriously.
Am I the only one here who actually saw the movie instead of relying
on a trailer that seriously misrepresents the film?
ZZH...@yahoo.com
May 12, 2012, 12:54:04 PM5/12/12
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On Sat, 12 May 2012 12:13:23 -0400, Mike S. <Mi...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>Where Dark Shadows is concerned, campy I'm ok with. Comedy I am not.
>So are you telling me that trailer's tone was inaccurate?
Yes the trailer seriously misses the boat on this film. The trailer
>
>Where Dark Shadows is concerned, campy I'm ok with. Comedy I am not.
>So are you telling me that trailer's tone was inaccurate?
is very inaccurate.
EGK
May 12, 2012, 12:56:49 PM5/12/12
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and a comedy and not very funny.
anim8rFSK
May 12, 2012, 2:52:36 PM5/12/12
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In article <jr2tq7hpb3k6vh1sr...@4ax.com>,
Yes. The trailer makes it look BETTER than it is.
Apparently the first part is set in the 1700s and fairly serious, but
once they get to 1972, it's all unfunny laughs.
Apparently the first part is set in the 1700s and fairly serious, but
once they get to 1972, it's all unfunny laughs.
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May 12, 2012, 6:36:05 PM5/12/12
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of them are full of *rap.
Too many times I come out of a movie and have to ask did
the reviewer see the same movie I did?
I often wonder how may reviewers write the review after seeing
only the first five minutes of a movie or only seeing the trailer.
ZZH...@yahoo.com
May 12, 2012, 6:40:59 PM5/12/12
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On Sat, 12 May 2012 11:52:36 -0700, anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net>
wrote:
Wrong. The first five minutes takes plae in the 1700s from the family
leaving Liverpool in the 1760s. They have the part where Barnabas
gets chained in the cofin. Most of the movie is very serious, with
a few light hearted moments sprinkled in. Not enough to call
it a comedy or campy.
The trailer completley misrepresents the film.
7/8 of the film is very serious, 1/8 of it has some humorous
moments.
wrote:
leaving Liverpool in the 1760s. They have the part where Barnabas
gets chained in the cofin. Most of the movie is very serious, with
a few light hearted moments sprinkled in. Not enough to call
it a comedy or campy.
The trailer completley misrepresents the film.
7/8 of the film is very serious, 1/8 of it has some humorous
moments.
7...@gmail.com
May 12, 2012, 6:49:20 PM5/12/12
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On Sat, 12 May 2012 13:00:53 -0700, poisoned rose
<pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
>Oh, one more thing: How come so many of the vampire's victims just stay
>dead?
I don't think they ever did it in Dark Shadows but in other vampire
stories the human has to be "brought accross" to become a vampire.
it has to be done slowly, too much blood taken and it results in a
dead human.
Forever Knight had some nice episodes along this line. I don't think
ever Dark Shadows did.
Was Forever Knight the fiirst to use the concept of having a human
"brought" accross?
<pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
>Oh, one more thing: How come so many of the vampire's victims just stay
>dead?
I don't think they ever did it in Dark Shadows but in other vampire
stories the human has to be "brought accross" to become a vampire.
it has to be done slowly, too much blood taken and it results in a
dead human.
Forever Knight had some nice episodes along this line. I don't think
ever Dark Shadows did.
Was Forever Knight the fiirst to use the concept of having a human
"brought" accross?
nick
May 12, 2012, 7:06:57 PM5/12/12
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EGK
May 12, 2012, 7:08:17 PM5/12/12
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all the professional critics saying the same thing whether they liked it or
not. Are we supposed to believe you over them?
Wiseguy
May 12, 2012, 9:23:05 PM5/12/12
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ZZH...@yahoo.com wrote in news:t8ptq7dlbvb07c8kc...@4ax.com:
The only reviews you're going to read here come from those who were fans of
the original. If the trailer attracted only those people...the movie would
be a flop. Again, the movie, and hence, the trailer, has to appeal to
those who never heard of or at least have never seen the original to be
successful. Regardless of the the opinions of the trailer of those here.
the original. If the trailer attracted only those people...the movie would
be a flop. Again, the movie, and hence, the trailer, has to appeal to
those who never heard of or at least have never seen the original to be
successful. Regardless of the the opinions of the trailer of those here.
moviePig
May 12, 2012, 10:08:27 PM5/12/12
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Btw, I had my clock set for 'Black Cat' on ChillerTV tonight, but it
got bumped for a goddamned 'Dark Shadows' marathon... not that I'm
bitter...
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May 12, 2012, 11:39:04 PM5/12/12
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Cross.
Tom
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
May 12, 2012, 11:49:29 PM5/12/12
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ZZH...@yahoo.com
May 13, 2012, 12:46:12 AM5/13/12
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On Sat, 12 May 2012 19:08:17 -0400, EGK <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>It's not something I cared about seeing anyway but it's hard to just dismiss
>all the professional critics saying the same thing whether they liked it or
>not. Are we supposed to believe you over them?
The folloowing is a list of critics who I rely on for opinions on
>It's not something I cared about seeing anyway but it's hard to just dismiss
>all the professional critics saying the same thing whether they liked it or
>not. Are we supposed to believe you over them?
movies:
[leff blank because they are all full of shi*]
[I don't trust any of them.]
EGK
May 13, 2012, 12:51:10 AM5/13/12
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find a synopsis of the movie. I wasn't saying you're less truthful or
anything. Just you have a different perception. Words like "campy and
"comedy" and "parody" get repeated a lot among the professional critics.
David Johnston
May 13, 2012, 1:02:54 AM5/13/12
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On 5/11/2012 3:20 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
> By LOU LUMENICK
>
> Last Updated: 2:00 PM, May 11, 2012
>
> Posted: 11:16 PM, May 10, 2012
>
> Not for the first time, Johnny Depp is all dressed up — this time as an
> elegant 19th-century vampire unleashed in 1972 — with nowhere
> particularly coherent to go in Tim Burton’s campy riff on the old TV soap
> opera “Dark Shadows.’’
>
> Though nearly as confusing as their wildly popular take on “Alice in
> By LOU LUMENICK
>
> Last Updated: 2:00 PM, May 11, 2012
>
> Posted: 11:16 PM, May 10, 2012
>
> Not for the first time, Johnny Depp is all dressed up — this time as an
> elegant 19th-century vampire unleashed in 1972 — with nowhere
> particularly coherent to go in Tim Burton’s campy riff on the old TV soap
> opera “Dark Shadows.’’
>
> Wonderland,’’ Depp and Burton’s eighth collaboration is more fun, perhaps
> more to the point, and it looks far better. It’s not in
> headache-inducingly bad 3-D like its predecessor, so you can fully
> appreciate the magical special effects, gorgeous costumes and amazing set
> design — as well as such period artifacts as lava lamps, macramé and
> troll dolls.
>
> These touches are more satisfying than a convoluted script by
> genre-bender Seth Grahame-Smith (the upcoming “Abraham Lincoln: Vampire
> Hunter’’) that often falls short in its attempt to combine a
> fish-out-of-water comedy with a Gothic romantic thriller.
Reviews on the Run gave it a rousing "Not as bad as I expected."
Adam H. Kerman
May 13, 2012, 2:29:13 AM5/13/12
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I just heard the Filmspotting boys, Adam Kempenaar and Josh Larsen.
Kempenaar is a big Tim Burton fan. Larsen said he would have skipped the
film, but saw it at a screening with Kempenaar.
Both disliked the film.
Interestingly, they didn't condemn the film for the humor emphasized
in trailers, which gives the audience the distinct impression that Burton
and Depp are winking at the source material and Depp is mugging throughout
the film.
Instead, the major condemnation is for Burton's usual lack of story structure.
Kempenaar even apologizes for the way Burton tells stories, as he has a
unifying theme throughout the picture despite the lack of story.
This film lacked a unifying theme. Instead, it has a choice of a number of
possible stories and doesn't attempt to tell any of them.
They recommend that Burton and Depp collaborate no more.
Filmspotting is an oddball program. Its Web site is filmspotting.net. It's
primary media is a podcast. It's produced in association with WBEZ radio
of Chicago, but not at its studios. It's not even based in Chicago. It's
aired on some public radio stations, apparently syndicated to them directly,
as it's not distributed through the four public radio networks/program
distribution sources.
Kempenaar is a big Tim Burton fan. Larsen said he would have skipped the
film, but saw it at a screening with Kempenaar.
Both disliked the film.
Interestingly, they didn't condemn the film for the humor emphasized
in trailers, which gives the audience the distinct impression that Burton
and Depp are winking at the source material and Depp is mugging throughout
the film.
Instead, the major condemnation is for Burton's usual lack of story structure.
Kempenaar even apologizes for the way Burton tells stories, as he has a
unifying theme throughout the picture despite the lack of story.
This film lacked a unifying theme. Instead, it has a choice of a number of
possible stories and doesn't attempt to tell any of them.
They recommend that Burton and Depp collaborate no more.
Filmspotting is an oddball program. Its Web site is filmspotting.net. It's
primary media is a podcast. It's produced in association with WBEZ radio
of Chicago, but not at its studios. It's not even based in Chicago. It's
aired on some public radio stations, apparently syndicated to them directly,
as it's not distributed through the four public radio networks/program
distribution sources.
Wiseguy
May 13, 2012, 2:41:57 AM5/13/12
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Wiseguy
May 13, 2012, 2:47:17 AM5/13/12
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EGK <m...@privacy.net> wrote in
news:f8fuq79oi2i3t8leq...@4ax.com:
So you want to know what happens in the movie before you see it?
Critics have professional criteria to judge a movie. Most people don't
like critics because they don't agree with their opinion and of course the
common people's opinion is right and the professional who gets paid to do
the job is automatically wrong. The "It was a good movie because I liked
it" argument is one of the most idiotic statements of all time.
news:f8fuq79oi2i3t8leq...@4ax.com:
Critics have professional criteria to judge a movie. Most people don't
like critics because they don't agree with their opinion and of course the
common people's opinion is right and the professional who gets paid to do
the job is automatically wrong. The "It was a good movie because I liked
it" argument is one of the most idiotic statements of all time.
Kishin
May 13, 2012, 4:04:25 AM5/13/12
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and the audience consensus. Only 43% of the critics on RT liked the DS
movie. That's okay, since a lot of movies that I enjoy get crappy
ratings. "John Carter," which I quite liked, only scored 52% with the
critics, but 68% of the audience liked it. DS now stands at 42% with the
critics, but it's telling that only 58% of the audience likes it. So
only a little over half of the audience thought it was any good. Those
aren't good numbers. For comparison, "The Avengers," which I loved, is
at 93% with critics and a whopping 96% of the audience liked it. I'm
still considering seeing it today, but definitely not decided.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/dark-shadows-2010/
--
Kishin
Kishin
May 13, 2012, 4:06:50 AM5/13/12
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Kishin
Kishin
May 13, 2012, 4:08:30 AM5/13/12
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for sure), didn't his victim have to drink his blood to become a
vampire? That's a pretty common theme in vampire fiction.
--
Kishin
anim8rFSK
May 13, 2012, 8:38:28 AM5/13/12
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In article <jonpua$ohe$1...@dont-email.me>, Kishin <no...@yobizz.ness>
wrote:
DS was at 93% with the audience Friday morning; it dropped 30% after
people actually *saw* it and another 5% Saturday.
wrote:
people actually *saw* it and another 5% Saturday.
anim8rFSK
May 13, 2012, 8:41:35 AM5/13/12
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In article <jonkbp$73o$2...@news.albasani.net>,
been done 3 times.
> Kempenaar even apologizes for the way Burton tells stories, as he has a
> unifying theme throughout the picture despite the lack of story.
>
> This film lacked a unifying theme. Instead, it has a choice of a number of
> possible stories and doesn't attempt to tell any of them.
>
> They recommend that Burton and Depp collaborate no more.
Wouldn't Burton getting out of the business make more sense? Does he do
good work without Depp?
"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> I just heard the Filmspotting boys, Adam Kempenaar and Josh Larsen.
> Kempenaar is a big Tim Burton fan. Larsen said he would have skipped the
> film, but saw it at a screening with Kempenaar.
>
> Both disliked the film.
>
> Interestingly, they didn't condemn the film for the humor emphasized
> in trailers, which gives the audience the distinct impression that Burton
> and Depp are winking at the source material and Depp is mugging throughout
> the film.
>
> Instead, the major condemnation is for Burton's usual lack of story structure.
Which is amazing given that he's just remaking something that's already
> I just heard the Filmspotting boys, Adam Kempenaar and Josh Larsen.
> Kempenaar is a big Tim Burton fan. Larsen said he would have skipped the
> film, but saw it at a screening with Kempenaar.
>
> Both disliked the film.
>
> Interestingly, they didn't condemn the film for the humor emphasized
> in trailers, which gives the audience the distinct impression that Burton
> and Depp are winking at the source material and Depp is mugging throughout
> the film.
>
> Instead, the major condemnation is for Burton's usual lack of story structure.
been done 3 times.
> Kempenaar even apologizes for the way Burton tells stories, as he has a
> unifying theme throughout the picture despite the lack of story.
>
> This film lacked a unifying theme. Instead, it has a choice of a number of
> possible stories and doesn't attempt to tell any of them.
>
> They recommend that Burton and Depp collaborate no more.
good work without Depp?
>
> Filmspotting is an oddball program. Its Web site is filmspotting.net. It's
> primary media is a podcast. It's produced in association with WBEZ radio
> of Chicago, but not at its studios. It's not even based in Chicago. It's
> aired on some public radio stations, apparently syndicated to them directly,
> as it's not distributed through the four public radio networks/program
> distribution sources.
> Filmspotting is an oddball program. Its Web site is filmspotting.net. It's
> primary media is a podcast. It's produced in association with WBEZ radio
> of Chicago, but not at its studios. It's not even based in Chicago. It's
> aired on some public radio stations, apparently syndicated to them directly,
> as it's not distributed through the four public radio networks/program
> distribution sources.
David Johnston
May 13, 2012, 10:22:31 AM5/13/12
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EGK
May 13, 2012, 11:02:36 AM5/13/12
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about to see if it's something i'm interested in. Then if I watch it I can
make up my own mind whether I liked it or not.
Clint Eastwood was one of the few stars who I would ever go to a movie just
because he was in it. It's fashionable nowadays for critics to praise him
but during his prime he was mostly savaged by critics. It never stopped me
from going to and liking his movies.
ZZH...@yahoo.com
May 13, 2012, 3:52:11 PM5/13/12
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>Critics have professional criteria to judge a movie.
Wrong. Too many cri8tics go into a movie and will slam it if
isn't Gone with the Wind.
Also they will slam a movie if they got stuck in traffic that day,
got into an arguement with his wife, or had his lunch screwed up.
>Most people don't
>like critics because they don't agree with their opinion and of course the
>common people's opinion is right and the professional who gets paid to do
>the job is automatically wrong.
will love it, and the movie will; gross $139,000 domestically the
first weekend..
Too many criitics go into a movie convinced that they will hate the
movie before they even step out of the car in the parking lot.
Also as a fan of Dark Shadows/Forever Knight/Buffy/Angel/etc.
too many critics hate vampire moves and will automaticlally slam it.
A1...@gmail.com
May 13, 2012, 3:57:29 PM5/13/12
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On Sun, 13 May 2012 05:38:28 -0700, anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net>
wrote:
midnight shows?
>it dropped 30% after
>people actually *saw* it and another 5% Saturday.
Maybe die hard fans saw it at midnight Thurday?
Our theasters had midnight shows on Thursday.
wrote:
>
>DS was at 93% with the audience Friday morning;
Could that be from viewers who saw it on Thursday at
>DS was at 93% with the audience Friday morning;
midnight shows?
>it dropped 30% after
>people actually *saw* it and another 5% Saturday.
Our theasters had midnight shows on Thursday.
ZZH...@yahoo.com
May 13, 2012, 4:04:54 PM5/13/12
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On Sun, 13 May 2012 06:29:13 +0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>Instead, the major condemnation is for Burton's usual lack of story structure.
Did they see the same movie I did? The film absolutely has a story
<a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>Instead, the major condemnation is for Burton's usual lack of story structure.
structure.
Did these critics even watch the movie?
I read so many of these reviews and have to wonder did they
only watch the first five minutes? Did they sleep through it?
Did they stumble into the wrong theater? Were they busy
texting on their phone?
Wiseguy
May 13, 2012, 4:51:27 PM5/13/12
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ZZH...@yahoo.com wrote in
news:dp40r7h7v5eov4tpq...@4ax.com:
Or they just don't agree with you. Deal with it.
news:dp40r7h7v5eov4tpq...@4ax.com:
nick
May 13, 2012, 5:45:11 PM5/13/12
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On May 12, 10:08 pm, moviePig <pwall...@moviepig.com> wrote:
> On May 12, 7:06 pm, nick <nickmacpherso...@AOL.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 12, 6:49 pm, 7...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > On Sat, 12 May 2012 13:00:53 -0700, poisoned rose
>
> > > <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
> > > >Oh, one more thing: How come so many of the vampire's victims just stay
> > > >dead?
>
> > > I don't think they ever did it in Dark Shadows but in other vampire
> > > stories the human has to be "brought accross" to become a vampire.
> > > it has to be done slowly, too much blood taken and it results in a
> > > dead human.
>
> > > Forever Knight had some nice episodes along this line. I don't think
> > > ever Dark Shadows did.
>
> > > Was Forever Knight the fiirst to use the concept of having a human
> > > "brought" accross?
>
> > Lucy Westenra in Dracula?
>
> How soon they reinvent...
>
Speaking of reinventions and human beings being "brought" across, I
> On May 12, 7:06 pm, nick <nickmacpherso...@AOL.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 12, 6:49 pm, 7...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > On Sat, 12 May 2012 13:00:53 -0700, poisoned rose
>
> > > <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
> > > >Oh, one more thing: How come so many of the vampire's victims just stay
> > > >dead?
>
> > > I don't think they ever did it in Dark Shadows but in other vampire
> > > stories the human has to be "brought accross" to become a vampire.
> > > it has to be done slowly, too much blood taken and it results in a
> > > dead human.
>
> > > Forever Knight had some nice episodes along this line. I don't think
> > > ever Dark Shadows did.
>
> > > Was Forever Knight the fiirst to use the concept of having a human
> > > "brought" accross?
>
> > Lucy Westenra in Dracula?
>
> How soon they reinvent...
>
watched The Hunger last night for the first time in quite awhile. The
movie opens with Bauhaus performing "Bela Lugosi's Dead" which is so
goth that if you look up goth in the dictionary you'll see a picture
of Bauhaus performing "Bela Lugosi's Dead" but still they get listed
in the credits as a a "disco group". I was blown away by the film
style at the time--my god, this is the 2001 of horror movies! I might
have even thought (since at the time the real 2001 of horror movies
The Shining hadn't had time to improve with age). But watching it now
you can see that all Tony Scott is doing is filming the movie like a
commercial which I don't remember anyone else doing at the time, the
early eighties. iirc, Ebert was pretty turned on by the Deneuve
Sarandon girl girl action.
nick
May 13, 2012, 5:46:21 PM5/13/12
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bootleg version of the 2004 remake pilot but while it seems to have
had some public screenings it doesn't look to be available anywhere.
Invid Fan
May 13, 2012, 5:58:31 PM5/13/12
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In article <8ueuq75ahfr3u3eeg...@4ax.com>,
The advantage of a professional critic over someone like you is that by
reading their work over a number of years, I can get a good idea of
what they like and don't like. I can compare what they said about a
movie to my opinion, and use that to interpret new reviews.
You, on the other hand, are a stranger who could like all kinds of
movies I hate. There's no reason to listen to you.
--
Chris Mack "If we show any weakness, the monsters will get cocky!"
'Invid Fan' - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'
reading their work over a number of years, I can get a good idea of
what they like and don't like. I can compare what they said about a
movie to my opinion, and use that to interpret new reviews.
You, on the other hand, are a stranger who could like all kinds of
movies I hate. There's no reason to listen to you.
--
Chris Mack "If we show any weakness, the monsters will get cocky!"
'Invid Fan' - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'
Russell Watson
May 13, 2012, 6:05:22 PM5/13/12
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novel _Dracula_: it never actually specifies that turning a victim
into another vampire rather than just a drained corpse is accomplished
through having them drink some of his blood before they die, though
that it is the common perception that has carried over into other
stories.
The only scene in the novel in which he does this is to the
still-living Mina Harker, not to turn her into a vampire but to
establish a psychic link with her so that he can track his hunters'
movements through her. His fatal mistake is in not realizing that they
can also use her to track him.
moviePig
May 13, 2012, 7:28:10 PM5/13/12
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in the same caste as, say, the previous decade's DAUGHTERS OF DARKNESS
-- vampires without teeth. Even if it's Catherine Deneuve, I need a
little Linda Blair scare... (Btw, Ebert, a free spirit, dated Oprah.)
nick
May 13, 2012, 7:57:44 PM5/13/12
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visionary film style from brother Tony then just looks like commercial/
MTV superficiality now. But compared to the glut of romantic vampires
that followed, it has a nastiness and a ruthlessness that the Twilight
series seriously lacks. There are echoes of The Hunger in Let the
Right One In/Let Me In.
Adam H. Kerman
May 13, 2012, 11:40:12 PM5/13/12
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ZZH...@yahoo.com wrote:
>Did these critics even watch the movie?
>I read so many of these reviews and have to wonder did they
>only watch the first five minutes? Did they sleep through it?
>Did they stumble into the wrong theater? Were they busy
>texting on their phone?
I provided you with their Web site. It tells you how to contact them.
>Did these critics even watch the movie?
>I read so many of these reviews and have to wonder did they
>only watch the first five minutes? Did they sleep through it?
>Did they stumble into the wrong theater? Were they busy
>texting on their phone?
Moviegoeers do it all the time. Feel free to tell them why they're
wrong. No point in telling me. I don't intend to see the movie.
Arthur Lipscomb
May 14, 2012, 11:50:40 AM5/14/12
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On 5/11/2012 8:53 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article<2u7rq75qcuc4cc29f...@4ax.com>,
> <ZZH...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 May 2012 5:20:21 -0400, Ubiquitous<web...@polaris.net>
>>
>
> Wait, what!? It's *not* a comedy? The trailer I saw certainly pitched it
> as a comedy, and that's the only reason I was considering seeing it..
It *is* a comedy. Unfortunately they put the best jokes in the
commercials. I never saw the original and don't remember the remake so
I took it as is without comparing it to anything else. I was pleasantly
surprised by how watchable it turned out to be. Not great but it held
my interest.
> In article<2u7rq75qcuc4cc29f...@4ax.com>,
> <ZZH...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 May 2012 5:20:21 -0400, Ubiquitous<web...@polaris.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> By LOU LUMENICK
>>>
>>> Last Updated: 2:00 PM, May 11, 2012
>>>
>>> Posted: 11:16 PM, May 10, 2012
>>>
>>> Not for the first time, Johnny Depp is all dressed up — this time as an
>>> elegant 19th-century vampire unleashed in 1972 — with nowhere
>>> particularly coherent to go in Tim Burton’s campy riff on the old TV soap
>>> opera “Dark Shadows.’’
>>
>>> By LOU LUMENICK
>>>
>>> Last Updated: 2:00 PM, May 11, 2012
>>>
>>> Posted: 11:16 PM, May 10, 2012
>>>
>>> Not for the first time, Johnny Depp is all dressed up — this time as an
>>> elegant 19th-century vampire unleashed in 1972 — with nowhere
>>> particularly coherent to go in Tim Burton’s campy riff on the old TV soap
>>> opera “Dark Shadows.’’
>> As someone who saw the movie today I have to take issue with the term
>> "Campy." There are a few ligth hearted moments, not really enough
>> to qualify as campy. This film is not campy, it is not a comedy.
>>
>> All in all it's an excellent film, very well done.
>> .
>> "Campy." There are a few ligth hearted moments, not really enough
>> to qualify as campy. This film is not campy, it is not a comedy.
>>
>> All in all it's an excellent film, very well done.
>>
>
> Wait, what!? It's *not* a comedy? The trailer I saw certainly pitched it
> as a comedy, and that's the only reason I was considering seeing it..
It *is* a comedy. Unfortunately they put the best jokes in the
commercials. I never saw the original and don't remember the remake so
I took it as is without comparing it to anything else. I was pleasantly
surprised by how watchable it turned out to be. Not great but it held
my interest.
ZZH...@yahoo.com
May 14, 2012, 1:43:37 PM5/14/12
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On Sun, 13 May 2012 17:58:31 -0400, Invid Fan <in...@loclanet.com>
wrote:
>The advantage of a professional critic over someone like you is that by
>reading their work over a number of years, I can get a good idea of
>what they like and don't like. I can compare what they said about a
>movie to my opinion, and use that to interpret new reviews.
Yeah and I can read the reviews of many a reviewer and
draw the conclusion they hate science ficction and fantasy
movies espeically if it's Star Wars, Twilight, or IWAV.
Since the movies i go to see are science fiction and fantasy
that elimanates most reviews that I can trust.
>
>You, on the other hand, are a stranger who could like all kinds of
>movies I hate. There's no reason to listen to you.
But then I don't publish my reviews in the local newsper or put those
reviews on TV.
wrote:
>The advantage of a professional critic over someone like you is that by
>reading their work over a number of years, I can get a good idea of
>what they like and don't like. I can compare what they said about a
>movie to my opinion, and use that to interpret new reviews.
draw the conclusion they hate science ficction and fantasy
movies espeically if it's Star Wars, Twilight, or IWAV.
Since the movies i go to see are science fiction and fantasy
that elimanates most reviews that I can trust.
>
>You, on the other hand, are a stranger who could like all kinds of
>movies I hate. There's no reason to listen to you.
reviews on TV.
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trotsky
May 15, 2012, 7:31:35 AM5/15/12
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On 5/13/12 4:45 PM, nick wrote:
> On May 12, 10:08 pm, moviePig<pwall...@moviepig.com> wrote:
>> On May 12, 7:06 pm, nick<nickmacpherso...@AOL.com> wrote:
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>>> On May 12, 6:49 pm, 7...@gmail.com wrote:
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>>>> On Sat, 12 May 2012 13:00:53 -0700, poisoned rose
>>
>>>> <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
>>>>> Oh, one more thing: How come so many of the vampire's victims just stay
>>>>> dead?
>>
>>>> I don't think they ever did it in Dark Shadows but in other vampire
>>>> stories the human has to be "brought accross" to become a vampire.
>>>> it has to be done slowly, too much blood taken and it results in a
>>>> dead human.
>>
>>>> Forever Knight had some nice episodes along this line. I don't think
>>>> ever Dark Shadows did.
>>
>>>> Was Forever Knight the fiirst to use the concept of having a human
>>>> "brought" accross?
>>
>>> Lucy Westenra in Dracula?
>>
>> How soon they reinvent...
>>
> Speaking of reinventions and human beings being "brought" across, I
> watched The Hunger last night for the first time in quite awhile. The
> movie opens with Bauhaus performing "Bela Lugosi's Dead" which is so
> goth that if you look up goth in the dictionary you'll see a picture
> of Bauhaus performing "Bela Lugosi's Dead" but still they get listed
> in the credits as a a "disco group".
It helps when Peter Murphy looks like a vampire without wearing any makeup.
> On May 12, 10:08 pm, moviePig<pwall...@moviepig.com> wrote:
>> On May 12, 7:06 pm, nick<nickmacpherso...@AOL.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 12, 6:49 pm, 7...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>> On Sat, 12 May 2012 13:00:53 -0700, poisoned rose
>>
>>>> <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
>>>>> Oh, one more thing: How come so many of the vampire's victims just stay
>>>>> dead?
>>
>>>> I don't think they ever did it in Dark Shadows but in other vampire
>>>> stories the human has to be "brought accross" to become a vampire.
>>>> it has to be done slowly, too much blood taken and it results in a
>>>> dead human.
>>
>>>> Forever Knight had some nice episodes along this line. I don't think
>>>> ever Dark Shadows did.
>>
>>>> Was Forever Knight the fiirst to use the concept of having a human
>>>> "brought" accross?
>>
>>> Lucy Westenra in Dracula?
>>
>> How soon they reinvent...
>>
> Speaking of reinventions and human beings being "brought" across, I
> watched The Hunger last night for the first time in quite awhile. The
> movie opens with Bauhaus performing "Bela Lugosi's Dead" which is so
> goth that if you look up goth in the dictionary you'll see a picture
> of Bauhaus performing "Bela Lugosi's Dead" but still they get listed
> in the credits as a a "disco group".
nick
May 15, 2012, 5:11:48 PM5/15/12
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Up (Then the Vampires They Will Die)" which suggested the one sure way
to get rid of Peter Murphy: "without the Revlon girls at Macy's,
Peter Murphy won't survive."
trotsky
May 16, 2012, 12:16:01 AM5/16/12
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nick
May 16, 2012, 7:19:23 AM5/16/12
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Penn is better than you'd think playing an aging goth rocker who
hasn't been able to function since a couple of his fans took his music
at its word and killed themselves.
moviePig
May 16, 2012, 9:34:16 AM5/16/12
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in the Bible Belt...
nick
May 16, 2012, 4:20:39 PM5/16/12
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Cannes time, so I'd assumed (wrongly) that it had gotten some kind of
release by now. What? Sean Penn as an aging reclusive goth searching
for a Nazi war criminal is not considered sufficiently commercial?
But to go back to the original thread (which I've only skimmed through
up till now) I just got back from Dark Shadows and what a train
wreck. It starts out alright. There's a few strong visual moments
and some of the performances are on point. But it's such a mess and
I'm tempted to blame Seth Grahame-Smith because the script just pisses
all over the Dark Shadows universe, and that's extra unfortunate
coming so soon after 21 Jump Street, a movie that shows you can trash
the source material at the same time you're showing a lot of affection
for it. But Dark Shadows has this really unpleasant aura of "this is
bullshit so who gives a fuck about it?" I only got about six pages
into Pride and Prejudice and Zombies but I got through all of Dark
Shadows so maybe that's some improvement, but at about the point when
there's a shot involving Michelle Pfeiffer that mimics Al Pacino in
Scarface, I just gave up.
moviePig
May 16, 2012, 11:27:54 PM5/16/12
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convincing me to move DARK SHADOWS out of even my dvd queue... as well
as confirming my worst early fears about Seth Grahame-Smith and,
unfortunately, ABE LINCOLN VAMPIRE HUNTER...
nick
May 17, 2012, 9:32:28 AM5/17/12
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that is Dark Shadows but, man, Seth Grahame-Smith, talk about someone
riding his fifteen minutes. Not to sound too much like a snobby
fanboys, but that man is tourist in the horror genre.
People like Joe Dante and John Landis are always pointing out how Jaws
was nothing but a Roger Corman movie on a big Hollywood budget but Abe
Lincoln Vampire Hunter isn't even Roger Corman, it's more like
something Troma would have tossed off straight to video in the
1980s. The one good thing about it is that in the same way a
distressing percentage of English people think War of the Worlds was
based on historic fact, now there'll be a future generation of
American schoolkids that are going to think Abe Lincoln fought
vampires.
ZZH...@yahoo.com
May 17, 2012, 12:52:34 PM5/17/12
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On Thu, 17 May 2012 06:32:28 -0700 (PDT), nick
<nickmacp...@AOL.com> wrote:
>Tim Burton and Johnny Depp deserve most of the blame for the failure
>that is Dark Shadows but,
Wrong. That would be the studio had no clue how to sell this movie
<nickmacp...@AOL.com> wrote:
>Tim Burton and Johnny Depp deserve most of the blame for the failure
>that is Dark Shadows but,
once it was made.
>People like Joe Dante and John Landis are always pointing out how Jaws
>was nothing but a Roger Corman movie on a big Hollywood budget but Abe
>Lincoln Vampire Hunter isn't even Roger Corman, it's more like
>something Troma would have tossed off straight to video in the
>1980s. The one good thing about it is that in the same way a
>distressing percentage of English people think War of the Worlds was
>based on historic fact, now there'll be a future generation of
>American schoolkids that are going to think Abe Lincoln fought
>vampires.
I was expeciting a movie to be made when I discovered the book
a few years ago.
Now after seeing the first National Treasure i'll wait and see how the
movie turns out before slamming it.
I'll wait and read the book after I see the movie.
Kishin
May 17, 2012, 6:36:20 PM5/17/12
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but it sounded like a workable idea. But the trailers I've seen have not
sparked my interest. It really hurts things, for me, that the actor
looks nothing like Abe Lincoln. I mean, EVERYONE in the country knows
what Abe Lincoln looks like. His picture is on our money. I appreciate
it when well known historical personages are portrayed by people who, if
they don't look like them, at least are made up to look like them. Like
Anthony Hopkins in "Nixon," or Leonardo DiCaprio in "J. Edgar." This guy
just looks nothing like Lincoln, in any stage of his life, and I've seen
plenty of pictures of him, with and without his famous beard.
--
Kishin
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