Chick-fil-A

[calvin]

It's not really about same sex marriage, not really about,
religious freedom, not even really about free speech. What
it is, is we against you. I don't care what the cause is, but
when we turn out by the spontaneous millions to express
ourselves against you, it is sweet. There was just a feeling
of liberation in the air today because we gave you the finger.
Make what you like of it, but it was great. (And see you in
November.)

[tomcervo]

If you don't have a heart event in the meantime, given your repast.

[trotsky]

Previously, calvin had written:

> Unlike most people around here, I can admire opposites
> and adversaries.

And I wrote:

Bullshit alert.

QED.

[calvin]

Non sequitur alert.

[calvin]

Allow me to elaborate. Yesterday's spontaneous demonstration
was not against people like Gore Vidal, who no doubt would have
been in favor of same sex marriage. It was against your jackboot
on our neck. The left doesn't own the culture, not yet. You can't
force businesses to conform to your political views, not yet. You
may win eventually, when you have a fully functioning KGB, led
by someone like Rahm Emanuel, but not yet.

[reilloc]

Here's who *you* are:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lester_Maddox

In 1944, Maddox, along with his wife, the former Hattie Virginia Cox
(1918�1997), used $400 in savings to open a combination grocery store
and restaurant called Lester's Grill. Building on that success, the
couple then bought property on Hemphill Avenue off the Georgia Tech
campus to open up the Pickrick Restaurant.

Maddox made the Pickrick a family affair, with his wife and children
working side-by-side with him. Known for its simple, inexpensive
Southern cuisine, including its specialty, skillet-fried chicken, the
Pickrick soon became a thriving business. The restaurant also provided
Maddox with his first political forum. He placed advertising which
featured cartoon chickens in the Atlanta newspapers. Following the 1954
Brown v. Board of Education decision of the United States Supreme Court,
these restaurant ads began to feature the cartoon chickens commenting on
the political questions of the day. However, Maddox's refusal to adjust
to changes following the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964
manifested itself when he filed a lawsuit to continue his segregationist
policies. Maddox said that he would close his restaurant rather than
serve African Americans. An initial group of black demonstrators came to
the restaurant but did not enter when Maddox informed them that he had a
large number of black employees. In April 1964, more African Americans
attempted to enter the restaurant. Maddox confronted the group with a
handgun. Maddox provides the following account of the events:

"Mostly customers, with only a few employees, voluntarily removed the
twelve Pickrick Drumsticks (pick handles) from the nail kegs on each
side of the large dining room fireplace. They had been forewarned by the
arrival of Atlanta's news media of an impending attempted invasion of
our restaurant by the racial demonstrators and once the demonstrators
and agitators arrived, the customers and employees pulled the drumsticks
from the kegs and went outside to defend against the threatened invasion."

Maddox became a martyr to segregationist advocates by leasing and then
selling the restaurant to employees rather than agreeing to serve black
customers. He claimed that the issue was not hostility to blacks but
constitutional property rights. He even built a monument to "private
property rights" near the restaurant.

The building was purchased by Georgia Tech in 1965 and was used for many
years as the placement center and was later known as the Ajax building.
It was demolished on May 14 and 15, 2009.
***************************************************
Of course, you already knew who you were and you may, given your
superannuation, old man, even have remembered that 50 years ago you were
using the pretexts of shilling chicken and claiming things "aren't
about" outright bigotry to be unabashedly bigoted.

I deplore your ignorance, stupidity and loathing spirit but know that
the poor will always be among us.

LNC

[trotsky]

calvin, you're babbling like a brook. KGB? I don't know what the fuck
you're talking about, nor do I know what you mean when talk about
"someone like the mayor of Chicago". Which right wing dickhead are you
getting your talking points from?

[calvin]

On Aug 2, 10:14 am, reilloc <reil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8/1/2012 10:51 PM, calvin wrote:
>
> > It's not really about same sex marriage, not really about,
> > religious freedom, not even really about free speech.  What
> > it is, is we against you.  I don't care what the cause is, but
> > when we turn out by the spontaneous millions to express
> > ourselves against you, it is sweet.  There was just a feeling
> > of liberation in the air today because we gave you the finger.
> > Make what you like of it, but it was great.  (And see you in
> > November.)
>
> Here's who *you* are:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lester_Maddox
>
> In 1944, Maddox, along with his wife, the former Hattie Virginia Cox

> (1918 1997), used $400 in savings to open a combination grocery store

You should start by deploring your own. In the interest of
full disclosure I must say that when at Georgia Tech I ate at
Maddox's establishment a few times, before the incidents
discussed above. My friends and I were non-political
and had no segregationist views. We thought Maddox
was amusing, and we referred to his table with stacks of
political material as the 'Pickrick papers'. I remember
Maddox getting on the PA system occasionally, and he
once said something about Robert Kennedy, then Attorney
General. He often circulated around with a pitcher of iced
tea, and I remember him filling our glasses once. Because
of graduation I was never there later than the spring of 1961.

[art...@yahoo.com]

I remember a former classmate of mine claiming he could feel his blood pressure go up after eating a Chick-Fil-A sandwich. Those things were disgusting. Sort of like White Castle with chicken instead of... hmm what the hell is in White Castle?

"I'll have a chicken salad sandwich, hold the chicken (And the salt)"

[blutarsky]

calvin <cri...@windstream.net> wrote in news:0985273a-f5bf-4654-9f97-
205690...@c11g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:

you are far more easily impressed than i am.

blutarsky

--

I swear: if I live to complete this autobiography, I will go through it
again and cross out all the 'Hi ho's.'
Hi ho.

[Tom]

Wrong again, calvin.

You're the most disingenuous person here.

And a liar on top of it.

Tom

[Tom]

What do you mean "we gave you the finger?" Were you out actively
protesting and supporting your local Chik-Fil-A or is this just
another one of your 'slacktivist' efforts where you leave the heavy
lifting to those more capable than you?

Those who disagree with Mr. Cathy's comments must be giving you the
finger, if you view protesting something as a tit for tat exercise.

Tom

[Tom]

Col. Sanders weighs in...

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/e86050c415/kfc-loves-gays-with-john-goodman?playlist=featured_videos

Tom

[Obveeus]

"Tom" <drs...@aol.com> wrote:
>Col. Sanders weighs in...
>
>http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/e86050c415/kfc-loves-gays-with-john-goodman?playlist=featured_videos

That was pretty lame except for the one insightful line about how the
restaurants do not really care and just see everyone as money with mouths.

[calvin]

On Aug 2, 2:18 pm, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
> That was pretty lame except for the one insightful line about how the
> restaurants do not really care and just see everyone as money with mouths.

'Mouths with money' would make more sense. In any case,
it's comments like this that reveal the contempt for business
that you leftists have.

[Obveeus]

Even your current grand wizard of homophobia has a company policy to welcome
people of all creeds/colors/sexual orientation into his place of business
long enough for them to spend their money as has been recently clarified
amid all the hoopla.

[calvin]

On Aug 2, 3:21 pm, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
> "calvin" <cri...@windstream.net> wrote:
> > On Aug 2, 2:18 pm, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> That was pretty lame except for the one insightful line about how the
> >> restaurants do not really care and just see everyone as money with
> >> mouths.
>
> >'Mouths with money' would make more sense.  In any case,
> >it's comments like this that reveal the contempt for business
> >that you leftists have.
>
> Even your current grand wizard of homophobia

I'm not homophobic. I'm against same-sex marriage,
which is different. But in this particular case the point
is people rebelling against efforts to intimidate
businesses that express non-liberal views.

> has a company policy to welcome
> people of all creeds/colors/sexual orientation into his place of business
> long enough for them to spend their money as has been recently clarified
> amid all the hoopla.

He's not homophobic either. He's against same-sex
marriage, which is different. Since he serves everyone,
he refutes your charge of money-grubbing above all.

No businessman has an obligation to express the
political views of everyone whom he serves. He has
only an obligation to serve everyone, regardless of
race, orientation, etc.

[moviePig]

> http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/e86050c415/kfc-loves-gays-with-john-...

For those who have missed it, here's the definitive viral .jpg
image...

http://tinyurl.com/bptrxps

...which, afaics, reduces both positions to their most candid
expression.

--

- - - - - - - -
YOUR taste at work...
http://www.moviepig.com

[Obveeus]

"calvin" <cri...@windstream.net> wrote:
>On Aug 2, 3:21 pm, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
>> "calvin" <cri...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> > On Aug 2, 2:18 pm, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >> That was pretty lame except for the one insightful line about how the
>> >> restaurants do not really care and just see everyone as money with
>> >> mouths.
>>
>> >'Mouths with money' would make more sense. In any case,
>> >it's comments like this that reveal the contempt for business
>> >that you leftists have.
>>
>> Even your current grand wizard of homophobia
>
>I'm not homophobic. I'm against same-sex marriage,
>which is different.

No it isn't. You have some sort of homophobic problem that causes you to
try and deny their ability to use a word to describe their partnership. If
your need to deny them access to a word isn't homophobia, what is it?

> But in this particular case the point
>is people rebelling against efforts to intimidate
>businesses that express non-liberal views.

My point above was about money/mouths. Chick-Fil-A 'came out' publically to
say that they welcome all gays and such into their stores to spend their
money...even as the company uses its profits to try and deny those same
people equal rights in society. The KFC parody piece hit the nail on the
head with respect to how these companies view their customers.

>He's not homophobic either. He's against same-sex
>marriage, which is different. Since he serves everyone,
>he refutes your charge of money-grubbing above all.

Actually, his actively courting gay customers and those that support gay
rights is proof that he *is* money grubbing above all.

>No businessman has an obligation to express the
>political views of everyone whom he serves. He has
>only an obligation to serve everyone, regardless of
>race, orientation, etc.

True. Also true is that each person has the right to point out that the
food sucks and/or that the profit for the business is used for unappealing
causes so the business should not be serviced. How is expressing that
opinion any different from when people say that WalMart should be avoided
because they employ overseas child labor and/or destroy the local business
base?

[calvin]

On Aug 2, 4:37 pm, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
> "calvin" <cri...@windstream.net> wrote:
> >On Aug 2, 3:21 pm, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> "calvin" <cri...@windstream.net> wrote:
> >> > On Aug 2, 2:18 pm, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> >> That was pretty lame except for the one insightful line about how the
> >> >> restaurants do not really care and just see everyone as money with
> >> >> mouths.
>
> >> >'Mouths with money' would make more sense. In any case,
> >> >it's comments like this that reveal the contempt for business
> >> >that you leftists have.
>
> >> Even your current grand wizard of homophobia
>
> >I'm not homophobic.  I'm against same-sex marriage,
> >which is different.
>
> No it isn't.  You have some sort of homophobic problem that causes you to
> try and deny their ability to use a word to describe their partnership.  If
> your need to deny them access to a word isn't homophobia, what is it?

This is a tired old argument around here. If you want to
believe that being against same-sex marriage means that
someone is homophobic, then believe it. If I say anything
else that supposedly means that I am homophobic, please
bring it to my attention. Oh, wait. I think Hitchcock's 'Psycho'
is better than Van Sant's. Does that qualify?

> >  But in this particular case the point
> >is people rebelling against efforts to intimidate
> >businesses that express non-liberal views.
>
> My point above was about money/mouths.  Chick-Fil-A 'came out' publically to
> say that they welcome all gays and such into their stores to spend their
> money...even as the company uses its profits to try and deny those same
> people equal rights in society.  The KFC parody piece hit the nail on the
> head with respect to how these companies view their customers.

So, they're damned if they discriminate, and they're damned
if they don't. Got it.

> >He's not homophobic either.  He's against same-sex
> >marriage, which is different.  Since he serves everyone,
> >he refutes your charge of money-grubbing above all.
>
> Actually, his actively courting gay customers and those that support gay
> rights is proof that he *is* money grubbing above all.
>
> >No businessman has an obligation to express the
> >political views of everyone whom he serves.  He has
> >only an obligation to serve everyone, regardless of
> >race, orientation, etc.
>
> True.  Also true is that each person has the right to point out that the
> food sucks and/or that the profit for the business is used for unappealing
> causes so the business should not be serviced.  How is expressing that
> opinion any different from when people say that WalMart should be avoided
> because they employ overseas child labor and/or destroy the local business
> base?

The demonstrations were touched off by Rahm Emanuel's
statements. Opinions are not the problem (except to the
left) . Attempts at intimidation in order to suppress opinions
are the issue in this case.

In the case of Walmart, you are free to dislike it for whatever
reason yu like, but when Walmart is denied a licence to
operate in a certain area because it is non-union, then it
becomes a political intimidation issue.

[nick]

You guys bought guns after Aurora, now you're gorging on fast food
chicken, because you want to stick it to the lefties when the reality
is you're being played for a mark.

Did you read that article in Huffington Post, talking to gay employees
of Chick-fil-A talking about how depressing it was serving customers
who were telling them how happy they were to be in a restaurant that
hated queers?

[Invid Fan]

In article
<025a04d3-5e5c-4493...@z11g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,

calvin <cri...@windstream.net> wrote:

> So, they're damned if they discriminate, and they're damned
> if they don't. Got it.
>

Well, not publicly announcing moral positions that have nothing to do
with their business is also an option. However, I assume this whole
kerfuffle is what Chick-fil-A's owner wanted. I'm treating it as just
his way of entertaining himself, with people on both sides jumping just
the way he thought they would.

--
Chris Mack "If we show any weakness, the monsters will get cocky!"
'Invid Fan' - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'

[moviePig]

On Aug 2, 6:30 pm, Invid Fan <in...@loclanet.com> wrote:
> In article
> <025a04d3-5e5c-4493-aa68-8f44e487a...@z11g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,

>
> calvin <cri...@windstream.net> wrote:
> > So, they're damned if they discriminate, and they're damned
> > if they don't.  Got it.
>
> Well, not publicly announcing moral positions that have nothing to do
> with their business is also an option. However, I assume this whole
> kerfuffle is what Chick-fil-A's owner wanted. I'm treating it as just
> his way of entertaining himself, with people on both sides jumping just
> the way he thought they would.

Which came first, the chicken or the egging...

[calvin]

I've never heard conservatives in modern times
talk about 'hating queers'. When I've heard such
phrases in the distant past, I didn't know the
political affiliation of those speaking. I remember
at the first place I worked in the 1960s, people
expressed tolerance for homosexuality, along
the lines of 'what consenting adults do in private is
their own business'. I've often heard liberals -accuse-
conservatives of using such language, however.
In the case you mention, if the story is true at all,
I suspect that customers expressed their agreement
in opposition to same-sex marriage, and that got
translated to 'hating queers' either by the gay
employees or by the Huffington Post.

[Obveeus]

"calvin" <cri...@windstream.net> wrote:
>On Aug 2, 4:37 pm, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
>> "calvin" <cri...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> >On Aug 2, 3:21 pm, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >> "calvin" <cri...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> >> > On Aug 2, 2:18 pm, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >> >> That was pretty lame except for the one insightful line about how
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> restaurants do not really care and just see everyone as money with
>> >> >> mouths.
>>
>> >> >'Mouths with money' would make more sense. In any case,
>> >> >it's comments like this that reveal the contempt for business
>> >> >that you leftists have.
>>
>> >> Even your current grand wizard of homophobia
>>
>> >I'm not homophobic. I'm against same-sex marriage,
>> >which is different.
>>
>> No it isn't. You have some sort of homophobic problem that causes you to
>> try and deny their ability to use a word to describe their partnership.
>> If
>> your need to deny them access to a word isn't homophobia, what is it?
>
>This is a tired old argument around here. If you want to
>believe that being against same-sex marriage means that
>someone is homophobic, then believe it.

I will. There is no possible reason other than homophobia or religious
bigotry that can explain the desire/need to control the use of the word
'marriage'.

>If I say anything
>else that supposedly means that I am homophobic, please
>bring it to my attention. Oh, wait. I think Hitchcock's 'Psycho'
>is better than Van Sant's. Does that qualify?

If I remember right, the two movies are identical. The way they differ is
in their perception, due to the release date.

>> > But in this particular case the point
>> >is people rebelling against efforts to intimidate
>> >businesses that express non-liberal views.
>>
>> My point above was about money/mouths. Chick-Fil-A 'came out' publically
>> to
>> say that they welcome all gays and such into their stores to spend their
>> money...even as the company uses its profits to try and deny those same
>> people equal rights in society. The KFC parody piece hit the nail on the
>> head with respect to how these companies view their customers.
>
>So, they're damned if they discriminate, and they're damned
>if they don't. Got it.

You seem to be confusing two issues.
Issue #1 would be the CEO of Chick-Fil-A using his restaurant empire to try
and cure people of homosexuality.
Issue #2 would be about companies only caring about the all mighty dollars
that they can extract from the customer.

My comment was with regards to Issue #2 as referenced in the KFC parody film
and played out so eloquently by Chick-Fil-A as they publically claim that
they welcome homosexuals as customers.

Let me know when any political leader actually denies Chick-Fil-A a business
license because of their stance on homosexuality. until then, all you have
is propaganda...suckered in by right wing smoke and mirrors.

[moviePig]

I suspect that, like most of us here, you personally seldom scratch
the surface of the big rock candy mountain.

[calvin]

On Aug 2, 6:54 pm, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
> You seem to be confusing two issues.
> Issue #1 would be the CEO of Chick-Fil-A using his restaurant empire to try
> and cure people of homosexuality.

False, and not an issue in this case.

> Issue #2 would be about companies only caring about the all mighty dollars
> that they can extract from the customer.

Not an issue in this case, whether true or false.

[Obveeus]

"calvin" <cri...@windstream.net> wrote:
>On Aug 2, 6:54 pm, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
>> You seem to be confusing two issues.
>> Issue #1 would be the CEO of Chick-Fil-A using his restaurant empire to
>> try
>> and cure people of homosexuality.
>
>False, and not an issue in this case.

Of course it is. Why else do you think that various political opportunists
were speaking out against Chick-Fil-A?

>> Issue #2 would be about companies only caring about the all mighty
>> dollars
>> that they can extract from the customer.
>
>Not an issue in this case, whether true or false.

Of course it is the issue. Someone posted the KFC parody link and I
responded directly to it's contents about exactly that element.

[Obveeus]

"calvin" <cri...@windstream.net> wrote:

>I've never heard conservatives in modern times
>talk about 'hating queers'.

Do you think all those online comments after the news articles all over the
internet have been faked?

[tomcervo]

Lighten up, Spartacus.
The left doesn't own the culture, the young do. They mostly look at
people like Chicken Man and see a dinosaur with a bible under his arm--
a selectively edited bible. It was in that bible, after all, that the
original Southern baptists found all their justification for slavery,
and where the likes of Warren Jeffs found his justification for
polygamy.

In most midwestern counties someone selling the family homestead finds
a trunk upstairs with Great-Grandpa's Klan regalia in the bottom.
Their reaction is not so much disgust as wonder at how anyone could be
so stupid. Better not keep your chicken wrappers, or they'll think
that about you.

[trotsky]

Odd, I could've sworn the gayest chicken was calvin!

[trotsky]

Well, it's hard to discuss such a point since my feeling is that only an
asshole could come up with a phrase like "contempt for business" in the
first fucking place.

[trotsky]

On 8/2/12 4:37 PM, calvin wrote:
> On Aug 2, 4:37 pm, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
>> "calvin" <cri...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>> On Aug 2, 3:21 pm, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> "calvin" <cri...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 2, 2:18 pm, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>> That was pretty lame except for the one insightful line about how the
>>>>>> restaurants do not really care and just see everyone as money with
>>>>>> mouths.
>>
>>>>> 'Mouths with money' would make more sense. In any case,
>>>>> it's comments like this that reveal the contempt for business
>>>>> that you leftists have.
>>
>>>> Even your current grand wizard of homophobia
>>
>>> I'm not homophobic. I'm against same-sex marriage,
>>> which is different.
>>
>> No it isn't. You have some sort of homophobic problem that causes you to
>> try and deny their ability to use a word to describe their partnership. If
>> your need to deny them access to a word isn't homophobia, what is it?
>
> This is a tired old argument around here. If you want to
> believe that being against same-sex marriage means that
> someone is homophobic, then believe it.

You're right, calvin, they're not the same. However, an awful lot of
business is conducted because of weddings, so it sure seems like you're
anti business.

[nick]

I'll give Calvin half-credit here. Knowing they're being watched in
the era of the internet, modern conservatives will usually not use
slurs like "queer" or "nigger" or whatever else when plausible
deniablity codewords will work just as well. We're not homophobic,
they say, we just don't think gay people deserve the same rights as
us.

[calvin]

On Aug 2, 7:23 pm, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:

The dregs of the universe, left and right, are online.
I was talking about real people that I have known or
been around.

[Tom]

Granted I lean left, but I have no contempt for business and I
challenge you to prove otherwise.

Unethicial business persons and practices are a whole other story. You
should learn to tell the difference.

BTW, thanks again for being a loyal Windstream customer... we're
leaving for a well deserved vacation tomorrow. I'll be sure to let you
know which fine meal we have that you paid for.

Tom

[Tom]

Obveeus is spot on on both points. Are you really this dense or being
deliberately stubborn?

Tom

[Tom]

> >http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/e86050c415/kfc-loves-gays-with-john-...

>
> Odd, I could've sworn the gayest chicken was calvin!

He's at least the chickenest chicken.

Tom

[calvin]

I didn't find even .001 credit there. Thanks, but I'll
look for credit in the real world, not in your make-
believe world.

[Tom]

On Aug 2, 2:56 pm, calvin <cri...@windstream.net> wrote:
> On Aug 2, 3:21 pm, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > "calvin" <cri...@windstream.net> wrote:
> > > On Aug 2, 2:18 pm, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
> > >> That was pretty lame except for the one insightful line about how the
> > >> restaurants do not really care and just see everyone as money with
> > >> mouths.
>
> > >'Mouths with money' would make more sense.  In any case,
> > >it's comments like this that reveal the contempt for business
> > >that you leftists have.
>
> > Even your current grand wizard of homophobia
>
> I'm not homophobic.  I'm against same-sex marriage,
> which is different.  But in this particular case the point
> is people rebelling against efforts to intimidate
> businesses that express non-liberal views.
>
> > has a company policy to welcome
> > people of all creeds/colors/sexual orientation into his place of business
> > long enough for them to spend their money as has been recently clarified
> > amid all the hoopla.
>
> He's not homophobic either.

Obveeus didn't say that you are, nor did he imply it. You should hone
your reading skills.

Tom

[calvin]

On Aug 2, 8:06 pm, tomcervo <paradisfa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lighten up, Spartacus.
> The left doesn't own the culture, the young do. They mostly look at
> people like Chicken Man and see a dinosaur with a bible under his arm--

> a selectively edited bible. ...

Ah, the youth cult. It don't seem like so long ago when I was
one of them youths, demonstrating on a Friday before the
weekend when Kent State happened, and being tear-gassed
at the Univ. of Maryland. Nixon had invaded Cambodia if I recall
correctly. Now I'm in the crowd that the youths are demonstrating
against, and around and around we go.

The youths are pretty, I'll give you that; but to think them wise
because of it, well, you should know better.

[calvin]

On Aug 2, 10:27 pm, Lewis <g.kr...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> And his opposition to gay marriage *is* homophobic.

I'm not opposed to gay marriage; I'm opposed to
same-sex marriage. Gays have been marrying and
having families for millennia. I've known some of
them myself.

Remember the movie, 'Brokeback Mountain'? Both
of those guys were married and had children.

[Tom]

> >No businessman has an obligation to express the
> >political views of everyone whom he serves.  He has
> >only an obligation to serve everyone, regardless of
> >race, orientation, etc.
>
> True.  Also true is that each person has the right to point out that the
> food sucks and/or that the profit for the business is used for unappealing
> causes so the business should not be serviced.  How is expressing that
> opinion any different from when people say that WalMart should be avoided
> because they employ overseas child labor and/or destroy the local business
> base?

Sarah Palin says boycotting CFA is a violation of their First
Amendment rights...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMQpIFBhdP8&fb_source=message

Tom

[calvin]

If you, er, sterling purveyors of good will
can get past the FOX News source of this,
you might find it to be instructive:

http://tinyurl.com/ctck5x3

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/the-five/index.html#/v/1768360793001/drive-thru-bully-at-chick-fil-a/?playlist_id=1040983441001

[trotsky]

On 8/2/12 10:54 PM, calvin wrote:
> On Aug 2, 10:27 pm, Lewis <g.kr...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> And his opposition to gay marriage *is* homophobic.
>
> I'm not opposed to gay marriage; I'm opposed to
> same-sex marriage. Gays have been marrying and
> having families for millennia. I've known some of
> them myself.

I'm assuming you mean in the Biblical sense.

[Obveeus]

If your suggestion is that people should refuse to solicit his business as
well, sure...except that he apparently got fired from his company because of
this video even though he was just being a misguided annoying fool, not
'preaching hate'.

[tomcervo]

I'm old too--old enough to get off the train in New Orleans and see
the separate bathrooms and drinking fountains. Remember seeing a mixed
race couple and being struck by their daring? Once outed gays would
kill themselves; now they out themselves.
You know as well as I do that it's a better world now. The young are
not wiser; they're just growing up in a wiser world.

[calvin]

On Aug 3, 8:24 am, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
> "calvin" <cri...@windstream.net> wrote:
> > If you, er, sterling purveyors of good will
> > can get past the FOX News source of this,
> > you might find it to be instructive:
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/ctck5x3
>

> >http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/the-five/index.html#/v/1768360793001/dr...

>
> If your suggestion is that people should refuse to solicit his business as
> well, sure...except that he apparently got fired from his company because of
> this video even though he was just being a misguided annoying fool, not
> 'preaching hate'.

I'm not suggesting anything. I'm just showing an example
of the kind of in-your-face attitude and behavior that is so
often approved by the left; and on blatant daily display in the
'occupy' movement, by the way.

[Tom]

On Aug 2, 11:41 pm, calvin <cri...@windstream.net> wrote:
> If you, er, sterling purveyors of good will
> can get past the FOX News source of this,
> you might find it to be instructive:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ctck5x3
>

> http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/the-five/index.html#/v/1768360793001/dr...


Instructive to whom? I'd doubt you can find one participant here who
would condone that man's behavior.

You're trolling again, attention whore.

Tom

[Tom]

Fuck off, calvin. Find one person who "approves of" this behavior.

Back up your stupid claims or shut the fuck up.

Tom

[calvin]

On Aug 3, 5:39 am, Lewis <g.kr...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>   calvin <cri...@windstream.net> wrote:
> > On Aug 2, 10:27 pm, Lewis <g.kr...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> >> And his opposition to gay marriage *is* homophobic.
> > I'm not opposed to gay marriage; I'm opposed to
> > same-sex marriage.
>

> Yes, we already know you're a homophobic asshole, you don't have to
> remind us.

We already know that you drop context in your quotes
to try to make your points stick. You don't have to remind us.

[calvin]

Here we have our resident homophobe, endlessly trying
to 'out' people. Maybe someday he'll hit the jackpot and
cause a suicide.

[calvin]

I told in another post recently the things I saw in my
hometown long ago.

[Tom]

A picture is worth...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=452136661475706&set=a.123290884360287.13113.113544412001601&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf

Tom

[Bill Anderson]

Of course there were similar signs in 1931 Selma and all over the South,
but that particular sign looks awfully inauthentic. "14 July 31"? The
European date order in 1931 Alabama? And generic "Public Swimming Pool"
instead of "Sparkman Springs Pool" or "Bankhead Pool" or something like
that? And why put "Selma, Ala." on a sign in Selma, Ala.? The swimmers
didn't need to be told where they were, did they? I'm not saying there
weren't whites-only swimming pools in Alabama in 1931. I'm saying I
believe that's not a picture of a real Alabama swimming pool sign.

--
Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog

[William]

On Friday, August 3, 2012 11:04:00 AM UTC-4, Bill Anderson wrote:

I'm not saying there
> weren't whites-only swimming pools in Alabama in 1931. I'm saying I
> believe that's not a picture of a real Alabama swimming pool sign.
>

Google it. One of those signs is being offered for sale.

[moviePig]

Like many here, I myself grew up with side-by-side drinking fountains
promising differently hued water, so there's no shortage of real-world
examples. But Bill makes an awfully convincing case -- one that, if
the Selma sign is indeed real, would seem to ask interesting
questions.

--

- - - - - - - -
YOUR taste at work...
http://www.moviepig.com

[Bill Anderson]

Yes, printed on heavy card stock. Apparently somebody is printing them
up for sale, as the sign has made more than one appearance:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/12/exclusive-white-only-pool-sign-owner-explains/

That they are disgusting and hateful goes without saying. That they're
authentic period pieces remains questionable for me.

[calvin]

On Aug 3, 11:04 am, Bill Anderson <billanderson...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Of course there were similar signs in 1931 Selma and all over the South,
> but that particular sign looks awfully inauthentic.  "14 July 31"?  The
> European date order in 1931 Alabama?  And generic "Public Swimming Pool"
> instead of "Sparkman Springs Pool" or "Bankhead Pool" or something like
> that?  And why put "Selma, Ala." on a sign in Selma, Ala.?  The swimmers
> didn't need to be told where they were, did they?  I'm not saying there
> weren't whites-only swimming pools in Alabama in 1931.  I'm saying I
> believe that's not a picture of a real Alabama swimming pool sign.

I just want to add that there definitely was a white-only
swimming pool in my home town, though it didn't have
a 'white only' sign. A shameful thing is that when black
people won the right to use it, it was closed.

[William]

On Friday, August 3, 2012 11:33:53 AM UTC-4, moviePig wrote:

>
> Like many here, I myself grew up with side-by-side drinking fountains
> promising differently hued water, so there's no shortage of real-world
> examples. But Bill makes an awfully convincing case -- one that, if
> the Selma sign is indeed real, would seem to ask interesting
> questions.
>

I really have no interest in the Chick-Fil-A "controversy." It seems, if you do some googling, that the sign is real. Whether real or not, it accurately portrays the then-current sentiment. What questions here interest you. Again, I got no dog in this fight. I'm just curious (and not yellow in the pool).

[Bill Anderson]

And furthermore, now that I think about it, why would an authentic sign
like that display a specific day's date? The pool was whites-only for
just one day? C'mon. Something's wrong here in addition to the sign's
message.

[Bill Anderson]

Then again, this does look like the real thing, being on rusty cast iron
and all. The heavy cardboard signs would be reproductions of this, I
suppose. So I dunno then about total lack of authenticity, but I do
know the sign, whatever its origin, represents a sad and disgusting
piece of American history.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CAST-IRON-PUBLIC-SWIMMING-POOL-WHITE-ONLY-SIGN-black-negro-memorabilia-/350584346002?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51a0749592

[calvin]

> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CAST-IRON-PUBLIC-SWIMMING-POOL-WHITE-ONLY-SIG...

This one doesn't look authentic to me either, for all
of the reasons you gave before, of course; but also
look closely at the finely rendered innermost rectangle.
This is not 1931 work in the south, c'mon (again).

[BTR1701]

In article <jvf24q$rd6$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

> "calvin" <cri...@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> >I've never heard conservatives in modern times
> >talk about 'hating queers'.
>
> Do you think all those online comments after the news articles all
> over the internet have been faked?

About as likely as all the claims that the lefty guy who harassed the
teen girl at the drive-thru window was really a stealth conservative who
was trying to make the libs look bad.

[trotsky]

Help yourself, buddy!

[moviePig]

More interesting to me is what internal retro-contortions Mr. CFA's
supporters must be doing to evade the first user-response on the
sign's page:

"These people said they weren't bigots, they just disagreed that
blacks should be able to swim in a public pool. Your bigoted
ancestors were wrong about black people, and today's bigots are wrong
about gay people."

Though but a dog-less passerby myself, that parallel does seem
airtight...

[William]

On Friday, August 3, 2012 2:47:38 PM UTC-4, moviePig wrote:
>
> Though but a dog-less passerby myself, that parallel does seem
> airtight...
>

Thanks for the response. I will stay frayless on this one . . .

[moviePig]

(So I assumed. That's why I picked you to lay it on.)

[Obveeus]

The other publically posted sign read:

'Welcome to our ool.
Notice that there is no 'P' in it.
Please keep it that way.'

[calvin]

On Aug 3, 2:47 pm, moviePig <pwall...@moviepig.com> wrote:
> Though but a dog-less passerby myself, ...

Really? If you're dogless, then there must me a lot of
strays in your neighborhood fighting on your behalf at
every opportunity.