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nick

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Apr 30, 2012, 5:47:54 PM4/30/12
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What a bad year Alice Eve is having, trapped in an ATM kiosk and
terrorized by a psycho in ATM and now the damsel in distress at the
hands of a Poe influenced "serial killer" in The Raven. (Did they
even have "serial killers" back then? They might have but I bet they
didn't call them "serial killers".)

It starts out with some promise. John Cusack is good as Poe and as
anachronistic as it might be, it's still pretty funny hearing him
refer to Longfellow as a "twat". But the film should be more
interesting than it is considering the premise and the dialogue floats
in and out of period credibility. One complaint on The Raven is that
both Cusack and Eve struggle with trying not to appear too modern but
that's the fault of the script, which does a terrible job of
maintaining era consistency. It looks like The Raven was meant to be
a 3D picture with bullets flying at the audience on occasion along
with other things but it's not in 3D so at times it looks pre-
converted flat or whatever you'd call it. On a meta level The Raven
appears to be blaming Poe for torture porn but it doesn't put much
effort into pursuing the idea.

For a Monday afternoon matinee, there were a lot of people in the
audience, demographically leaning to "chubby goths pushing into early
middle-age".

moviePig

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Apr 30, 2012, 6:09:20 PM4/30/12
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It's bad when the studio pronounces your movie not good enough for
post-conversion... and when the audience sounds scarier than the
story...

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Apr 30, 2012, 6:27:45 PM4/30/12
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On Monday, April 30, 2012 5:47:54 PM UTC-4, nick wrote:

> (Did they
> even have "serial killers" back then? They might have but I bet they
> didn't call them "serial killers".)
>
You might want to look into the "Servant Girl Annihilator."

nick

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Apr 30, 2012, 6:49:14 PM4/30/12
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Speaking of Poe, did you ever get around to watching Stuart Gordon's
"The Black Cat" segment of Masters of Horror?

nick

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Apr 30, 2012, 6:48:21 PM4/30/12
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There's a shot of a newspaper headline in The Raven that reads
something like "Serial Killer!" and it just struck me as jarringly
modern, like when Poe angrily calls someone a "mouthbreather". Maybe
these terms were used in the mid-19th century but they still strike a
jarring note.

wlah...@gmail.com

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Apr 30, 2012, 7:03:38 PM4/30/12
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On Monday, April 30, 2012 6:48:21 PM UTC-4, nick wrote:

> There's a shot of a newspaper headline in The Raven that reads
> something like "Serial Killer!" and it just struck me as jarringly
> modern, like when Poe angrily calls someone a "mouthbreather". Maybe
> these terms were used in the mid-19th century but they still strike a
> jarring note.

The term "serial killer" didn't enter the language until the 1970s -- from what I understand -- although "homicidal maniac" and other purple prose descriptions certainly existed.

Bill Anderson

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Apr 30, 2012, 7:40:46 PM4/30/12
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On 4/30/2012 5:47 PM, nick wrote:
> What a bad year Alice Eve is having, trapped in an ATM kiosk and
> terrorized by a psycho in ATM and now the damsel in distress at the
> hands of a Poe influenced "serial killer" in The Raven. (Did they
> even have "serial killers" back then? They might have but I bet they
> didn't call them "serial killers".)
>
> It starts out with some promise. John Cusack is good as Poe and as
> anachronistic as it might be, it's still pretty funny hearing him
> refer to Longfellow as a "twat".


Apparently it's not anachronistic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twat

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moviePig

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Apr 30, 2012, 10:46:51 PM4/30/12
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E.g., who hasn't long heard: "Twat do we owe the honor?"

moviePig

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Apr 30, 2012, 10:44:16 PM4/30/12
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It's still in my queue. But, now that you mention it, I think the
'Chiller' channel is rerunning the MOH series...

Mr. Hole the Magnificent

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Apr 30, 2012, 11:27:39 PM4/30/12
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On Monday, April 30, 2012 5:47:54 PM UTC-4, nick wrote:
Wanted to like this, but didn't really, didn't hate it, but I was looking at my phone for the time a couple times.


You're probably right about the script.

A few problems with the film:

There is one Slave in the film, and he is seen for about 2 seconds, Baltimore was a slave city, I imagine the lack of slaves seen had more to do with the film being shot in Serbia and Hungery.

None of the characters have baltimore accents.

nick

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May 1, 2012, 5:42:17 PM5/1/12
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On Apr 30, 11:27 pm, "Mr. Hole the Magnificent"
The actors in The Raven were having enough trouble as it was without
attempting regional period accents.

My biggest complaint: I really thought they were setting up Poe's pet
raccoon as a cat substitute for a "Black Cat" inspired crime sequence
but the racoon was sadly under-used.

trotsky

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May 1, 2012, 6:17:31 PM5/1/12
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On 5/1/12 4:42 PM, nick wrote:

>
> The actors in The Raven were having enough trouble as it was without
> attempting regional period accents.
>
> My biggest complaint: I really thought they were setting up Poe's pet
> raccoon as a cat substitute for a "Black Cat" inspired crime sequence
> but the racoon was sadly under-used.


IMO, the statement "the raccoon was sadly under-used" cannot be said
often enough.

Although if my girlfriends are any indication, you can substitute
"raccoon" for "beaver".

Rich

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May 1, 2012, 9:21:21 PM5/1/12
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"Mr. Hole the Magnificent" <Classic...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:17227733.99.1335842859145.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbmi19:

> On Monday, April 30, 2012 5:47:54 PM UTC-4, nick wrote:
>> What a bad year Alice Eve is having, trapped in an ATM kiosk and
>> terrorized by a psycho in ATM and now the damsel in distress at the
>> hands of a Poe influenced "serial killer" in The Raven. (Did they
>> even have "serial killers" back then? They might have but I bet they
>> didn't call them "serial killers".)
>>
>> It starts out with some promise. John Cusack is good as Poe and as
>> anachronistic as it might be, it's still pretty funny hearing him
>> refer to Longfellow as a "twat". But the film should be more
>> interesting than it is considering the premise and the dialogue
>> floats in and out of period credibility. One complaint on The Raven
>> is that both Cusack and Eve struggle with trying not to appear too
>> modern but that's the fault of the script, which does a terrible job
>> of maintaining era consistency. It looks like The Raven was meant to
>> be a 3D picture with bullets flying at the audience on occasion along
>> with other things but it's not in 3D so at times it looks pre-
>> converted flat or whatever you'd call it. On a meta level The Raven
>> appears to be blaming Poe for torture porn but it doesn't put much
>> effort into pursuing the idea.
>>
>> For a Monday afternoon matinee, there were a lot of people in the
>> audience, demographically leaning to "chubby goths pushing into early
>> middle-age".
>
> Wanted to like this, but didn't really, didn't hate it, but I was
> looking at my phone for the time a couple times.
>

Use your watch. No one wants to see your F----- phone come on during a
movie.

wlah...@gmail.com

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May 1, 2012, 11:35:22 PM5/1/12
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Yeah, but their bevear's are being used by any number of others while you are yelling "cite" and "moron" and that's the story of your life.

Mr. Hole the Magnificent

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May 1, 2012, 11:49:57 PM5/1/12
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No difference between a phone lighting up and a watch lighting up.

Mr. Hole the Magnificent

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May 1, 2012, 11:49:12 PM5/1/12
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A few more scenes with that cuddly lovable raccoon and he could have been this year's Uggie.

nick

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May 2, 2012, 8:24:13 AM5/2/12
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On May 1, 11:49 pm, "Mr. Hole the Magnificent"
Too bad the producers weren't able to insert any good reaction shots--
like the racoon covering his eyes during the pendulum scene or
swooning when Poe proposes to his hot blonde girlfriend. In fact, the
producers might have sold more tickets if they'd done a better job of
promoting how in this Poe film, Poe has a pet racoon and a hot blonde
girlfriend.
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Mr. Hole the Magnificent

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May 2, 2012, 4:23:03 PM5/2/12
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On Monday, April 30, 2012 5:47:54 PM UTC-4, nick wrote:
Spoilery comment I just rememered....





























There are a few scenes were Poe is chasing after the killer and they have him dressed just like Alec Baldwin in his 90s film The Shadow, I found this distracting.

Bill Anderson

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May 2, 2012, 4:33:53 PM5/2/12
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On 5/2/2012 4:11 PM, poisoned rose wrote:
> moviePig<pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> E.g., who hasn't long heard: "Twat do we owe the honor?"
>
> Surely there can't be anyone on Earth who overuses "E.g." more than this
> man. Just bewildering, how compulsively he inserts it into post after
> post after post. He probably accounts for 80% of the "E.g."s ever posted
> on Usenet.
>
> Last night's film: "Jour de Fete."

There are films, e.g. JOUR DE FETE, that lots of people think are funny
but never make me crack a smile. Maybe I have a problem just with
comedies the French like, e.g. Jerry Lewis movies? Anyway, it's funny
you should that film because I have a big stack of Criterion Collection
LaserDiscs, e.g. JOUR DE FETE, RULES OF THE GAME, NIGHT OF THE HUNTER,
THE SEVENTH SEAL, TUNES OF GLORY, that I had to move this morning for
spring cleaning, and I've begun thinking of possible ways to dispose of
them, e.g Craig's List, Ebay, dumpster. Do you or others around here,
e.g. Calvin, know of any market for good quality LaserDiscs? I know I'm
talking one of those ancient technologies, e.g. LP, 8-Track, Betamax,
that time has passed by, but my guess is that somewhere out there is a
collector who'd like to get his hands on my collection. Ideas?
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moviePig

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May 2, 2012, 6:00:35 PM5/2/12
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On May 2, 4:33 pm, Bill Anderson <billanderson...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 5/2/2012 4:11 PM, poisoned rose wrote:
>
> > moviePig<pwall...@moviepig.com>  wrote:
You're just e.g.-ging him on...

moviePig

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May 2, 2012, 6:07:36 PM5/2/12
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On May 2, 4:11 pm, poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
> moviePig <pwall...@moviepig.com> wrote:
> > E.g., who hasn't long heard: "Twat do we owe the honor?"
>
> Surely there can't be anyone on Earth who overuses "E.g." more than this
> man. Just bewildering, how compulsively he inserts it into post after
> post after post. He probably accounts for 80% of the "E.g."s ever posted
> on Usenet.

Odd that your Javert-like pursuit of my posting style can mention
compulsiveness without noticing the irony. Odd, and sad...
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Bill Anderson

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May 2, 2012, 6:29:16 PM5/2/12
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On 5/2/2012 5:54 PM, poisoned rose wrote:
> Bill Anderson<billand...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> There are films, e.g. JOUR DE FETE, that lots of people think are funny
>> but never make me crack a smile. Maybe I have a problem just with
>> comedies the French like, e.g. Jerry Lewis movies? Anyway, it's funny
>> you should that film because I have a big stack of Criterion Collection
>> LaserDiscs, e.g. JOUR DE FETE, RULES OF THE GAME, NIGHT OF THE HUNTER,
>> THE SEVENTH SEAL, TUNES OF GLORY, that I had to move this morning for
>> spring cleaning, and I've begun thinking of possible ways to dispose of
>> them, e.g Craig's List, Ebay, dumpster. Do you or others around here,
>> e.g. Calvin, know of any market for good quality LaserDiscs? I know I'm
>> talking one of those ancient technologies, e.g. LP, 8-Track, Betamax,
>> that time has passed by, but my guess is that somewhere out there is a
>> collector who'd like to get his hands on my collection. Ideas?
>
> No idea. I've never even watched a Laserdisc. Not at home, nor at the
> stomping grounds of someone else. (E.g., a friend, lover, co-worker....)
>
> Curious -- was your Laserdisc the color version?
>
> I have never fastened my eyeballs on Tunes of Glory, and had to use
> websites (E.g. Google, IMDB....) to remind myself of its content. Sounds
> like I could not label this film a "confection," which is frustrating,
> but perhaps I could contrive some flip, vaguely cynical way of detaching
> myself from its intended audience (E.g. people who enjoyed this
> particular cinematic morsel).

You're very bad.

My JOUR DE FETE is in B&W "with hand-tinted sequences." I really should
watch it all the way through at least once, just to be able to say I did
it. TUNES OF GLORY is in color, and it's a darn good movie. I will
transfer it to DVD before I let the LaserDisc go. Same for JOUR DE
FETE, I guess, probably, I suppose I must.

Bill Anderson

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May 2, 2012, 6:31:49 PM5/2/12
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Nice one!

Bastette

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May 2, 2012, 6:33:28 PM5/2/12
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Not really. Look at his reply. He either didn't notice, or pretended not
to notice. He even used the dreaded Latinism himself a couple of times.

Bastette

Bastette

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May 2, 2012, 6:36:25 PM5/2/12
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poisoned rose wrote:

> moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:

>> > Surely there can't be anyone on Earth who overuses "E.g." more than this
>> > man. Just bewildering, how compulsively he inserts it into post after
>> > post after post. He probably accounts for 80% of the "E.g."s ever posted
>> > on Usenet.
>>
>> Odd that your Javert-like pursuit of my posting style can mention
>> compulsiveness without noticing the irony. Odd, and sad...

> Well, considering you probably write 10 posts for every one of mine, and
> exhibit the same annoying tics in virtually every post, I'd say my
> "compulsion" can't match yours.

> I will never understand people who start thread after thread after
> thread, and then can't fathom that they might draw repeated replies from
> anyone.

> Are you able to converse in real life or, when faced with the daunting
> prospect of a sentence addressed to you, do you have to retire to
> another room to prepare something "witty" to say in reply?

> E.g., ellipses, parenthetical nod, ellipses, e.g., etc.

Don't you know how to use a killfile? This pointless ragging is annoying.

Hmm, I do know how to use a killfile, and I think I'll use mine right now.

Bastette

Bill Anderson

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May 2, 2012, 6:40:26 PM5/2/12
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Who, e.g.? Me? Is it possible that someone, i.e. you, is taking this
seriously?
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Tom

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May 2, 2012, 8:44:42 PM5/2/12
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Perhaps if the contaminated rhodon read more slowly, he would
appreciate you more...

Tom

Tom

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May 2, 2012, 8:32:21 PM5/2/12
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I wonder what e.e. cummings has to say on this subject...

Tom
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Tom

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May 2, 2012, 9:45:41 PM5/2/12
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On May 2, 8:34 pm, poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
> Tom <drso...@aol.com> wrote:
> > I wonder what e.e. cummings has to say on this subject...
>
> Y'missed the obvious gag reference.
>
> http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTY3Nzg5MTMwOF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTY...

I was thinking strictly lower case initials...

Tom

Tom

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May 2, 2012, 9:48:39 PM5/2/12
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On May 2, 8:13 pm, poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
> Tom <drso...@aol.com> wrote:
> > Perhaps if the contaminated rhodon read more slowly, he would
> > appreciate you more...
>
> Appreciating him would require seeing him make some insightful
> observations rather than just diddle himself with shallow,
> self-congratulatory wordplay. Not to mention the way he labors to give
> himself an alibi for his superficiality by insisting that he doesn't
> write reviews.

I was riffing on something I said last week when someone missed mP's
point... I said I understood it, but I read slowly.

I don't believe mP possesses any of the character flaws you mentioned.
I think you're taking him waaaay too seriously... something he never
does.

He's sincere about movies, but never takes his views on them too
seriously.

Tom

Bastette

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May 2, 2012, 10:15:32 PM5/2/12
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Not you. I thought your post was funny. But P.R. responded to that post
and completely ignored the joke, while using "eg" all over the place.

Bastette

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moviePig

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May 2, 2012, 10:56:02 PM5/2/12
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...or anybody else's. (God why would we? They're movies, right?...)

moviePig

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May 2, 2012, 11:27:51 PM5/2/12
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Bill's post was a witty, amiable redirect. (He's renowned for them.)
But P.R. is quite intent upon making a point -- *any* point, afaics.
Though I don't know his origin story, he seems to view himself as
somehow left out of others' fun ...an angry barnacle on the hull of a
cruise ship. I can't figure him out, but, following my two or three
failed tries at normal dialogue, I can mostly ignore him.
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Bill Anderson

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May 3, 2012, 12:42:13 AM5/3/12
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Well...I'm pretty sure I think I'm almost positive, I mean really
certainly almost without a doubt probably he was merely extending the
joke. His response gave me a smile, anyway.

trotsky

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May 3, 2012, 8:26:29 AM5/3/12
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As opposed to....

Scott

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May 3, 2012, 7:41:16 PM5/3/12
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On 5/3/2012 12:20 AM, poisoned rose wrote:
> moviePig<pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> Bill's post was a witty, amiable redirect. (He's renowned for them.)
>> But P.R. is quite intent upon making a point -- *any* point, afaics.
>
> My points are quite clear, actually. I don't gargoyle them up with
> cutie-pie phrase substitutions.
>
>> Though I don't know his origin story, he seems to view himself as
>> somehow left out of others' fun ...an angry barnacle on the hull of a
>> cruise ship. I can't figure him out, but, following my two or three
>> failed tries at normal dialogue, I can mostly ignore him.
>
> Just more glib blurbiage. And "making a point" is a guideline you could
> stand to follow.
>
> I have said nothing about you that isn't supportable.

Brilliant. On the Internet, *everything* is supportable, while
concurrently being unsupportable. Which is why the oft-used
"cite?" terminology cracks me up.

Tom

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May 3, 2012, 10:36:20 PM5/3/12
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calvin.

He would die for Woody Allen and did you read his comments about
Cinderella? Ewww....

Tom

trotsky

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May 3, 2012, 10:38:35 PM5/3/12
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I don't even know what the fuck he was talking about.

Tom

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May 3, 2012, 11:00:01 PM5/3/12
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Over in past-films he wrote...

"This movie made a lifelong impression at age 10, and
never in all the years since then have I seen anything
as enchanting as the Fairy Godmother changing the pumpkin
into an elegant chariot, and the mice, horse, and dog
into horses, coachman, and footman, and Cinderella into
a Princess. [Kingo Gondo alert!]

The whole thing is still lovely, witty, and touching;
without question my favorite animated Disney movie."

What 10 year-old boy sees CINDERELLA? Ick.

And combine that with his, not once, but twice, encouraging me to
dress as a teen age girl cheerleader, and you get a seriously creepy
old man.

The children and sheep of Georgia are not safe.

Tom

trotsky

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May 4, 2012, 8:21:36 AM5/4/12
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One that grows up to be especially fond of James Franco.

Tom

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May 4, 2012, 1:28:31 PM5/4/12
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> One that grows up to be especially fond of James Franco.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

YIKES!

Tom
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