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Andre Janssens

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Dec 27, 2001, 4:37:46 PM12/27/01
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Why is the movie named Vanilla Sky? And, did anyone understand the ending?


KalElFan

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Dec 27, 2001, 5:24:46 PM12/27/01
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SPOILERS in the thread title...

"Andre Janssens" <dead...@softhome.net> wrote in message
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> Why is the movie named Vanilla Sky?

I think it may have been answered elsewhere, but I only saw the
question not the followups so maybe not. What I read in one of
the reviews/stories/interviews on the movie was that Cameron
Crowe always thought Vanilla Sky would be a cool title for a
movie. So he just used it here and wrote in that one reference to
it when they were looking at the painting. The Spanish original was
called Open Your Eyes.

>And, did anyone understand the ending?

There's been discussion of this elsewhere, and I think most believe
it was intended at face value -- i.e., Cruise's character has been in
stasis for 150 years or whatever they mentioned, and everything
after that moment tech support pinpointed was a lucid dream. His
subconscious mind created a problem with the lucid dreams, but
tech support had fixed that and Cruise's character was making a
choice whether to remain in stasis or rejoin real life. That choice,
within the program, required him to confront his fear of heights
and jump.

After he jumps, it's open for debate whether he might have
copped out at the end, just before he hit the ground. When
you hear "Open Your Eyes" right at the end, maybe it's the
Cruz character and he's back in the lucid dream.

In fact though, the whole movie could have been a dream or
any part of it, so there's no hard answer in the ending at all.
Maybe there was never any tech support, maybe he's still in
the present, maybe he's nuts, maybe he killed somebody, maybe
he didn't, and it's a rare bird who can both understand this and
also praise the movie. I think it's one of those movies that will
come to be viewed as worse, or more of a fiasco, over time.

Another issue I haven't seen discussed is why the Spanish original
was critically better received from what I gather. It's also got a high
IMDB score. My personal feeling is that it's part of the artsy-fartsy
bias many have towards foreign films and indie films and the like.

--
Anthony Michael Walsh
KalE...@scifipi.com


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Andre Janssens

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Dec 28, 2001, 1:31:08 PM12/28/01
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That the whole movie is a dream may be true, that would explain why in the
beginning it shows Cruise driving a Ferrari and then later on a black
mustang. Could it be also that at the end when he hears the voice, maybe he
was thawed out and brought back to life? He did want to wake up remember?
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> > SPOILERS in the thread title...
> >
> > "Andre Janssens" <dead...@softhome.net> wrote in message
> > news:ulrez#xjBHA.1592@cpimsnntpa02...
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> > > Why is the movie named Vanilla Sky?
> >
> > I think it may have been answered elsewhere, but I only saw the
> > question not the followups so maybe not. What I read in one of
> > the reviews/stories/interviews on the movie was that Cameron
> > Crowe always thought Vanilla Sky would be a cool title for a
> > movie. So he just used it here and wrote in that one reference to
> > it when they were looking at the painting. The Spanish original was
> > called Open Your Eyes.
>
> the jump scene also had a vanilla sky, as well. it represents the
> lucid dream, and the pop culture thing again. interestingly, he
> considered "almost famous" with the same name, and so this title on
> this movie, is somewhat of a knock on the fluffiness of his previous
> work, which was about as guileless as they come. it's like him
> saying, yeah, it was a sentimental loveletter to my memories and to
> pop culture of the early 70s, but i understand the dark, cynical
> aspects of life too and here's proof positive.

Enjay

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Dec 28, 2001, 2:26:00 PM12/28/01
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"Andre Janssens" <dead...@softhome.net> wrote in message
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> Why is the movie named Vanilla Sky?

Didn't TC's character make reference to the Monet painting, using "Vanilla
Sky" as its title or in a descriptive manner? I'm not art-savvy, but I
don't recall a Monet painting called "Vanilla Sky..."

Enjay


Marty Feldman

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Dec 28, 2001, 5:54:24 PM12/28/01
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"Andre Janssens" <dead...@softhome.net> wrote in message news:<eaDJy68jBHA.1008@cpimsnntpa03>...

> That the whole movie is a dream may be true, that would explain why in the
> beginning it shows Cruise driving a Ferrari and then later on a black
> mustang.

i don't think the whole movie was a dream.

Could it be also that at the end when he hears the voice, maybe he
> was thawed out and brought back to life?

yeah, that's what i thought.

He did want to wake up remember?

yup.

Mr. Self Destruct

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Dec 28, 2001, 6:27:45 PM12/28/01
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"Andre Janssens" <dead...@softhome.net> wrote in message
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> That the whole movie is a dream may be true, that would explain why in the
> beginning it shows Cruise driving a Ferrari and then later on a black
> mustang.

My memory of it might be a bit suspect, but I thought that immediately after
that dream (the black Ferrari, the abandoned Times Square), David was
talking to his psychyatrist about it. I thought he'd had that dream after
the accident, and my interpretation of it was that he felt truly alone in
the world due to his disfigurement.


Andre Janssens

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Dec 28, 2001, 6:44:00 PM12/28/01
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Yes you're right, the next scene I believe he was talking to the shrink. I
also wonder then, if Cruise wasn't really as wealthy as it seemed...this is
getting confusing. I wish I could ask the director what it all means.
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Andre Janssens

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Dec 28, 2001, 6:52:02 PM12/28/01
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Yes, that's what Marty said too. I'll have to check all my Monet
paintings...just kidding. It could also be the painter named Manet
instead.
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Melquiades

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Dec 29, 2001, 9:59:24 AM12/29/01
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"Enjay" <enj...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Didn't TC's character make reference to the Monet painting, using "Vanilla
>Sky" as its title or in a descriptive manner? I'm not art-savvy, but I
>don't recall a Monet painting called "Vanilla Sky..."


As I remember it, he referred to a blank canvas as a "vanilla sky" and said
that's what his mother used to call it.

This makes sense to me, in that his "life" was a blank canvas on which he
could paint whatever scenario he wished (the lucid dream).

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