Film review - 'Submission' (for which Van Gogh brutally murdered)
Dr. Jai Maharaj
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A Review of the film "Submission" (which got Van Gogh brutally murdered)
By Ralph Davis
IFilm
Sunday, December 5, 2004
Posted on 12/05/2004 8:45:44 PM PST by AnalogReigns
Out of curiousity, as to what all the fuss about, I
decided to follow the link in Ifilm
http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2655656?htv=12&htv=12
to watch the film clip which got Vincent Van Gogh's great-
grand-nephew Theo brutally murdered by a Dutch immigrant
Moslem.
I had heard Van Gogh's "Sumission" variously described in
the News as provocative, inciting, and even pornographic-
-after all it got whole communities of "moderate" Moslems
saying the film-maker "deserved it" after he was shot,
stabbed and had his throat cut -- with a note stabbed
into his body. However in spite of such reactions, at
risk to my eyes, I decided to see the film for myself.
I can honestly say, there is nothing the slightest bit
erotic about the film. In a European way it is kind of
weird, consisting almost entirely of a young woman in a
dark room with a black full body chador but with the
front somewhat transparent...just enough to see she had
breasts, talking about her life. I had read that it had a
naked woman with Koranic verses written on her body --
and so it also did in short flashbacks -- but from the
back, and not shown in a erotic or porngraphic way
whatsoever. Viewers of Monday night football a few weeks
ago saw more graphic titilation than anything in this 11
minute clip.
Mainly the woman speaks of the typical oppression of
women one hears about in traditional Islamic societies --
in a personal way, with a personal conversational touch --
almost as if you were her therapist. I think Van Gogh was
trying to show that Islamic woman are human...with the
same desires and hopes and dreams of women
everywhere...yet by virtue of their culture having it
brutally denied -- in the name of God, no less.
http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2655656?htv=12&htv=12
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I thought that few FReepers had probably seen the film
(since the news described it as porno ...) but I'd
encourage the adults among us to see it. Perhaps Europe
and ourselves can wake up to the fact of the peril the
Islamists bring to civilized countries in the current
world conflict.
Posted on 12/05/2004 8:45:45 PM PST by AnalogReigns
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The Islamic religion is a sadistic criminal conspiracy
based primarily on enslaving, abusing and brutalizing
women.
Meanwhile, in America, the "women's rights movement"
ignores this fact completely.
I'll never forget when Sean Hannity mentioned the fact
that Bush freed millions of girls and women in
Afghanistan to his guest --- the current president of
NOW. The professional Woman's Rights Champion smiled
condescendingly, shaking her head at Sean as her smiled
morphed into an elitist sneer of contempt. She had
absolutely no use for the freedom of Afghan women. Wasn't
interested in it. Didn't want to hear a word about it.
Posted on 12/05/2004 8:57:48 PM PST by samtheman
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The bottom line is this: If Islam was secure in itself,
then a film 'attacking' it wouldn't matter.
But Islam is completely different. The entire religion is
based on brutal suppression of women. So Mr. Van Gogh let
Europe and the rest of the world see what these monsters
are up to. That hurt - the Muslims were finally be called
upon to account for their behavior, particularly in
Europe. The reason Van Gogh had to be killed was because
he had 2 sequels coming up. The 3 movies together
probably would have ended any facade of Islam being a
tolerant and peaceful religion, and may have even
eliminated it completely from the European continent.
If you read the reports and the arrests, Van Gogh's
murder was very carefully planned, by lots of people - he
really hit them where it hurt, and they had to fight
back.
Now let's see what happens.
Posted on 12/05/2004 9:03:06 PM PST by BobL
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I saw this clip a couple of weeks ago. I didn't see
anything over the line in it.
Posted on 12/05/2004 9:04:47 PM PST by Bouchart
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I viewed this film a few weeks ago, just after the Van
Geogh nurder. There is nothing pornographic in it that I
can see, of course I have TRI Focals!!, but the dialogue
explains the young lady's miserable life as a muslim
women and the horendous treatment she must endure at the
hands of the men in her family, from her own father, her
husband and her Uncle who Rapes her.
Perhaps this is what the Muslims want no one to know
about. Their SHAME should be great, for the treatment of
their own flesh and blood, because they are female.
What came to my mind was an exchange program for Muslim
Women and members of the N.O.W. and other such
organizations. There appreciation of their country and
their menfolk would probably be earth shattering to say
the least.
Posted on 12/05/2004 9:08:10 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie
(Defending America)
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Yes, I saw this film s few weeks ago - I thought it
simple, done in good taste - nothing erotic or exploitive
..another case of "don't believe everything you read."
Check things out before reaching conclusions
Posted on 12/05/2004 9:30:58 PM PST by maine-iac7
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I also viewed the film. I thought it was very tastefully
done and extremely disturbing in its message. The
voiceover of the woman was done as a conversation with/
prayer to "Allah".
The woman is telling the story of her life - the abuses
she is subject to and she is asking why. She explains how
she does for "Allah" all that is asked but yet her
torments continue...and she questions how this can be.
She speaks in an animated way and one can feel her
suffering. She speaks of her dreams and hopes yet shows
she is resigned to her life and an obesdient Muslim
woman, but asks why must she be attacked, beaten and
abused? It is very poweful.
The images are not in any way pornographic. at one point
you get a glimpse of her breasts through the sheer black
chardor...and at another there are images of a womans
body (back, arms, shoulder) with Arabic writing on them.
Apparently the writings are verses from the Qur'an and
are meant to be in the places where her bruises are. As I
said, it's a powerful image.
I have to say that this film moved me and also angered me
(even more) when it comes to this hateful "religion". I
have taken up learning as much about it as I can...and so
far what I'm learning is everything I already thought
about it - only worse.
Posted on 12/05/2004 9:49:38 PM PST by blinachka
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Yeah, I viewed it too. Very powerful. Very bad for
Muslims, especially if the things the woman read were
accounts of her own life, or that of a real person,
instead of the consolidation of experiences some people
try to pass off as "real life account." Not erotic in the
slightest.
Posted on 12/05/2004 9:50:06 PM PST by Othniel (Democrats
are like roaches: Shine the Light on them, and they
scatter for the darkness.)
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-To: AnalogReigns
I viewed this film a few weeks ago, just after the Van
Geogh nurder. There is nothing pornographic in it that I
can see, of course I have TRI Focals!!, but the dialog
explains the young lady's miserable life as a Muslim
women and the horrendous treatment she must endure at the
hands of the men in her family, from her own father, her
husband and her Uncle who Rapes her. Perhaps this is what
the Muslims want no one to know about. Their SHAME should
be great, for the treatment of their own flesh and blood,
because they are female. 5 Posted on 12/05/2004 9:08:10
PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
This is not your post but wondering what you think about
the comments made? If the movie does put forth that
relatives and close family members are doing such
attracities to their own flesh and blood womenfolk such
accusations need to be fully investigated and reported
on. Otherwise such dastardly deeds merely become horrible
tales that paint an entire group of Muslim people as
being monsters. Much like saying Christians are Arian-
Neonazis. Or Republicans are involved in bringing the
world and people of the world into submission and
poverty. Or all Democrats are stupid :^). Anyways, I
think that some Muslims are doing such things to their
women. But would it be fair or right to imply that say
30% or more are doing such things around the world? If so
than yes such a film has value and should be shown. Any
amount of torture or mistreatment of Muslim women is
wrong. Whether in France, Egypt, Sudan, or wherever!
Posted on 12/05/2004 9:50:25 PM PST by Bittersweetmd
((But, for the grace of God there go I .))
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I wasn't able to view "Submission" on Ifilm. The
following is what came up now....
"Synopsis
Regrettably, IFILM has been asked by Theo Van Gogh's
production company in Amsterdam, Column Producties, to
discontinue playing the film, as of Dec 3, 2004.
We did our best to convince them that this film needs to
be seen, but they were adamant, and since it is their
property, we had no choice but to agree.
But you can still read our users' reactions to it while
it played, and we'll continue to post user emails. Click
here to read the emails we received.
Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh (yes, that van Gogh) was
killed November 2, 2004, by a 26-year-old extremist
Muslim of Dutch-Moroccan descent. The current theory is
that he was taken down for his critical look at the
treatment of Muslim women. It's not a documentary, but a
metaphorical look at the harsh realities of their lives.
(In English with Dutch subtitles.)
The film's screenwriter, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, grew up an
upper-class Muslim in Somalia. In '92 she escaped to the
Netherlands, mastered the language and attended
university to study political science. Now a politician,
she has received death threats for numerous stances she's
taken and activities she's undertaken. But as a self-
proclaimed ex-Muslim, she has taken it upon herself to
make the plight of oppressed Muslim women known to the
West -- and to hopefully end their suffering.
Credits and Additional Info
Directed by: Theo Van Gogh
Distributed by: IFILM
Run Time: Runtime: 11:00
Release Year: 2004
Posted on 12/05/2004 9:54:10 PM PST by Santana (Proud
aunt of niece serving in Iraq)
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> I also viewed the film. I thought it was very tastefully
> done and extremely disturbing in its message. The
> voiceover of the woman was done as a conversation
> with/prayer to "Allah". The woman is telling the story of
> her life - the abuses she is subject to and she is asking
> why.
And the butchersome murder of Van Gogh explains why.
Islam is the theological equivalent of rabies.
Posted on 12/05/2004 9:56:31 PM PST by The Red Zone
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> Islam is the theological equivalent of rabies.
And I'd have to say cancer as well...it's a hideous and
debilatating disease on the souls of people afflicted
with it. As I have said, the more I learn about it, the
more I'm convinced it is a Satanic cult of hate and
death.
Posted on 12/05/2004 10:01:43 PM PST by blinachka
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-- reminds me of how a death decree propelled a mediocre
book, _The Satanic Verses_ to international prominence,
when it likely wouldn't otherwize have had a significant
readership.
Posted on 12/05/2004 10:22:36 PM PST by Hayley
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Dennis Prager had on a doctor who works in British
prisons the other day. His observation was that 1)
Muslims are imprisoned in numbers far beyond their
proportion of society in Britain and 2) even Muslims who
don't really practice the religion any longer hold fast
to the domination of women. That is one thing as a whole
they seem determined to keep. His opinion -- if I remember
correctly -- was that their self-image is much too deeply
tied to their sense of superiority over women and they
can't let it go.
Posted on 12/05/2004 10:39:30 PM PST by duvausa
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Does anyone have another site where this film can still
be seen, or have it saved to HD?
Thanks
Posted on 12/05/2004 10:42:52 PM PST by Syncro
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Syncro -- it's not really legal to do so, but if you have
Bittorrent and a Bittorrent client like Azureus you can
find it easily on the net.
Posted on 12/05/2004 10:57:34 PM PST by Freemarketman
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Thanks for the info, but I will pass.
I don't have those thingies, and don't like to break the
law anyway.
Posted on 12/05/2004 11:06:00 PM PST by Syncro
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> ...The professional Woman's Rights Champion smiled...
Can you imagine the hell we would experience in life if
things like normal male-female love, family, and
patriotism were destroyed by these degenerates?
Posted on 12/05/2004 11:10:48 PM PST by squirt-gun
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I wouldn't doubt that "their sense of superiority is tied
to their domination over women". What else do they have?
Their religion has very little hope. Also I think their
belief system holds the value of the individual on a low
level. If one feels they have little value or worth the
natural thing to do is hold domination and power over
someone else. Hopefully things might change for the
culture if a democracy could indeed be set up and work
for them.
Posted on 12/06/2004 12:31:53 AM PST by Bittersweetmd
((But, for the grace of God there go I .))
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