Can we all agree that Halle Berry ruined X-Men 3?
jombithedjinn
even speak with an African accent (and Storm is supposed to be from
Africa), and because of her 20 million dollar paycheck, their might not
be an X-Men 4 since the costs would be too high.
David
but didn't take anything away either, and she hardly had anything to
do despite being in almost every scene.
On 29 May 2006 13:46:52 -0700, "jombithedjinn" <jombi...@excite.com>
wrote:
>She took up way too much screen time, she's so talentless she can't
>even speak with an African accent (and Storm is supposed to be from
>Africa),
And this ruined thw movie for you?
>and because of her 20 million dollar paycheck, their might not
>be an X-Men 4 since the costs would be too high.
It's a capitalist society. She earns what FOX is willing to pay her.
"The Degenerate" Luke Michaels
No. The Storm in the movies isn't African, she's just black. Storm is an
important part of X-Men and she /is/ the leader after Cyclops isn't.
Halle Berry did well playing the role of Storm stepping up to become the
leader as Xavier asked her to.
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badth...@yahoo.com
As opposed to the Russian accent of Colossus? Rouge's in-and-out
Southern drawl? And I don't hear Canadian in anything Wolverine said.
And why do Magneto and Professor X have English accents? Neither
*character* is English.
She's not contracted for X-Men 4 and doesn't make $20M a film to begin
with. Julia Roberts is the only woman who makes that much. Halle
peaked at $14M with Catwoman and Gothika and considering how they did,
it's doubtful she could continue to pull it, Peter Principle or no.
And to whomever suggested that people who cross post from wrestling
were automatically trolls and should be ignored, I'm sorry. I never
should have doubted you.
SuperHornet
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> jombithedjinn wrote:
>> She took up way too much screen time, she's so talentless she can't
>> even speak with an African accent (and Storm is supposed to be from
>> Africa), and because of her 20 million dollar paycheck, their might not
>> be an X-Men 4 since the costs would be too high.
>
> As opposed to the Russian accent of Colossus? Rouge's in-and-out
> Southern drawl?
who is Rouge?
Mattinglyfan
""The Degenerate" Luke Michaels" <bens...@gmail.youknowthedrill.com> wrote
in message news:MhJeg.206644$7a.146538@pd7tw1no...
> jombithedjinn wrote:
>> She took up way too much screen time, she's so talentless she can't
>> even speak with an African accent (and Storm is supposed to be from
>> Africa), and because of her 20 million dollar paycheck, their might not
>> be an X-Men 4 since the costs would be too high.
>
> No. The Storm in the movies isn't African, she's just black.
She is South American. Brazilian, I believe.
Mattuzzi
halle berry or no halle berry.
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jombithedjinn
recent conversations about the movie than any other group. Do a google
search on it and see for yourself, you troll.
shep...@excite.com
"jombithedjinn" <jombi...@excite.com> wrote in message
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Can't speak for her performance in xmen but she's always seemed a perfectly
average actress to me. What more is required for xmen?
jombithedjinn
badth...@yahoo.com
She has the power to sap away the make up of others. Sigh. You know I
meant "Rogue."
jombithedjinn
CoinSpin
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Hate to burst your bubble there, jombi, but there probably won't be an X-Men
4 because they never INTENDED to have an X-Men 4. All of the main
characters' actors were signed to a 3 picture deal, with the original intent
of ONLY doing 3 X-Men movies. Anything beyond that would be completely up
in the air. Did you see any of the interviews with the cast? Each of the
main actors said how much they'd miss working with each other since X-3
would be the last movie where that whole cast would work together.
There were grumblings and rumors of a Wolverine spin-off movie, but nothing
is set for any movies beyond X-3... At least nothing that has been made
public yet. But if there is another movie down the line, or a spin-off, it
might have some slight cast changes, since nobody is under contract anymore.
And like David said, whoever stars will get whatever FOX will pay them. If
Halle is too expensive they'll hire somebody else to play Storm.
And, just for the record, I know several people who hail from Africa and
speak fluent English, with just a very mild accent, so to me the accent
didn't affect my enjoyment of the movie at all.
CoinSpin
Karnak 17
She needed to convince us that she was someone who could take charge.
That didn't happen. Mel was not a great actor in BRAVEHEART but he was
strong enough to buy as a leader. HB would have been an acceptable
"average" actress to cast as somebody's girlfreind, but not as Storm,
Leader of the X-Men.
BTR1701
"jombithedjinn" <jombi...@excite.com> wrote:
> She took up way too much screen time, she's so talentless
She may not be the best actress in the world but she does a more than
adequate job for a comic book movie about people with superpowers.
This ain't "Othello" we're talkin' about here.
jombithedjinn
Actually it's better. Did you see that piece of shit movie O? Yeah,
what a stinker that was.
But regardless superhero movies are one of the only things Hollywood
does right these days. What would you rather watch? Aliens vs Predator?
King Arthur? XXX 2? Last Holiday? RV? Crash? The Island? Hoot? The Da
Vinci Code? The billion fucking CGI kids movies that get made each and
every year? Something with Lindsay Lohan in it? Something with Martin
Lawrence in it? Name one genre that's coming out with better movies in
Hollywood these days. No one in Hollywood's making anything as good let
alone better.
Ed Stasiak
> > jombithedjinn wrote
> >
> > and because of her 20 million dollar paycheck, their might not
> > be an X-Men 4 since the costs would be too high.
>
> It's a capitalist society. She earns what FOX is willing to pay her.
Of course, but what I'd like to ask is why FOX (or any studio)
felt the need to cast well know actors, (and thus fork over a ton
of cash) when there are thousands of perfectly good unknown
actors in Hollywood who would work for peanuts?
Now I'll grant you that some actors are better then others but
for most Hollywood flicks, one doesn't need Academy Award
winning actors (which Halle Berry ain't IMO) and the money
spent (wasted) on the payroll, could be put to better use
elsewhere in the movie.
Personally, I can't think of any movie I've ever watched just
because a particular actor was cast in it. Either the movie
sounds interesting and I watch it or it seems like it will be a
crappy movie and I don't bother, regardless or who is cast.
Of those who went to see the X-Men movies, how many of
them do you think _wouldn't_ have gone to see it if the cast
was made up of unknown actors?
Tagliere
> "David" <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:rgnm72po0gls9rt2m...@4ax.com...
> | No. I never got what the commotion is about. She didn't add anything
> | but didn't take anything away either, and she hardly had anything to
> | do despite being in almost every scene.
> |
> | On 29 May 2006 13:46:52 -0700, "jombithedjinn" <jombi...@excite.com>
> | wrote:
> |
> | >She took up way too much screen time, she's so talentless she can't
> | >even speak with an African accent (and Storm is supposed to be from
> | >Africa),
> |
> | And this ruined thw movie for you?
> |
> | >and because of her 20 million dollar paycheck, their might not
> | >be an X-Men 4 since the costs would be too high.
> |
> | It's a capitalist society. She earns what FOX is willing to pay her.
>
> Hate to burst your bubble there, jombi, but there probably won't be an X-Men
> 4 because they never INTENDED to have an X-Men 4. All of the main
> characters' actors were signed to a 3 picture deal, with the original intent
> of ONLY doing 3 X-Men movies.
Actually that's incorrect. The original cast was contracted to two
movies, and therefore, they all got significant pay increases for one
more installment. You'll notice that in the first two movies the credit
list was the same, but in the third movie, the credit order changed a
little bit. The "Last Stand" decision was finally made during
production, one of the reasons being that the cast would be too
expensive to resign for a fourth film. Too much of a headache to juggle
their schedules as well.
Karnak 17
> BTR1701 wrote:
> > In article <1148935612.7...@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> > "jombithedjinn" <jombi...@excite.com> wrote:
> >
> > > She took up way too much screen time, she's so talentless
> >
> > She may not be the best actress in the world but she does a more than
> > adequate job for a comic book movie about people with superpowers.
> >
> > This ain't "Othello" we're talkin' about here.
>
> Actually it's better. Did you see that piece of shit movie O? Yeah,
> what a stinker that was.
You can play Othello badly, and you can play a superhero badly. Halle
Berry may have given a brilliant performance to win that Oscar. She
may be capable of doing a brilliant Desdemona, for all I know. But she
plays a superhero badly. I never believed a single moment she had on
screen. Okay, one or two moments, usually with Jackman, who might have
had a good influence on her. But usually not.
MarkRRose
I don't think she ruined the movie...
Mark
Nemesis
badth...@yahoo.com wrote:
> jombithedjinn wrote:
> > She took up way too much screen time, she's so talentless she can't
> > even speak with an African accent (and Storm is supposed to be from
> > Africa), and because of her 20 million dollar paycheck, their might not
> > be an X-Men 4 since the costs would be too high.
>
> As opposed to the Russian accent of Colossus? Rouge's in-and-out
> Southern drawl? And I don't hear Canadian in anything Wolverine said.
> And why do Magneto and Professor X have English accents? Neither
> *character* is English.
>
No, but all of them are white so they're excused.
You didn't hear Colossus accused of talking "street" because he lacked
an accent.
But if you look at the posts bashing the movie, most of the heat is put
on her.
"She spoke street" because she didn't speak with an accent.
"She got too much screen time" when she didn't get any more than Hugh
Jackman and no one's complaining about his screen time.
Someone had suggested using a different black actress as Storm but I
suspect it wouldn't have made a difference to some of the complainters.
blue
"The Degenerate" Luke Michaels wrote:
> jombithedjinn wrote:
>
>> She took up way too much screen time, she's so talentless she can't
>> even speak with an African accent (and Storm is supposed to be from
>> Africa), and because of her 20 million dollar paycheck, their might not
>> be an X-Men 4 since the costs would be too high.
>
>
> No. The Storm in the movies isn't African, she's just black. Storm is an
> important part of X-Men and she /is/ the leader after Cyclops isn't.
> Halle Berry did well playing the role of Storm stepping up to become the
> leader as Xavier asked her to.
>
She said in a recent interview that the charcater was African.
blue
jombithedjinn
Nemesis wrote:
> badth...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > jombithedjinn wrote:
> > > She took up way too much screen time, she's so talentless she can't
> > > even speak with an African accent (and Storm is supposed to be from
> > > Africa), and because of her 20 million dollar paycheck, their might not
> > > be an X-Men 4 since the costs would be too high.
> >
> > As opposed to the Russian accent of Colossus? Rouge's in-and-out
> > Southern drawl? And I don't hear Canadian in anything Wolverine said.
> > And why do Magneto and Professor X have English accents? Neither
> > *character* is English.
> >
>
> No, but all of them are white so they're excused.
> You didn't hear Colossus accused of talking "street" because he lacked
> an accent.
> But if you look at the posts bashing the movie, most of the heat is put
> on her.
> "She spoke street" because she didn't speak with an accent.
When did I say this?
> "She got too much screen time" when she didn't get any more than Hugh
> Jackman and no one's complaining about his screen time.
Hugh Jackman doesn't completely suck as Wolverine.
> Someone had suggested using a different black actress as Storm but I
> suspect it wouldn't have made a difference to some of the complainters.
Are you "challenged"? Do you have special needs?
John Harkness
>> David wrote
>> > jombithedjinn wrote
>> >
>> > and because of her 20 million dollar paycheck, their might not
>> > be an X-Men 4 since the costs would be too high.
>>
>> It's a capitalist society. She earns what FOX is willing to pay her.
>
>Of course, but what I'd like to ask is why FOX (or any studio)
>felt the need to cast well know actors, (and thus fork over a ton
>of cash) when there are thousands of perfectly good unknown
>actors in Hollywood who would work for peanuts?
>
>Now I'll grant you that some actors are better then others but
>for most Hollywood flicks, one doesn't need Academy Award
>winning actors (which Halle Berry ain't IMO)
Ummm...
She may not have deserved her Oscar, in your opinion, but she is
unquestionably an Academy Award-winning actress. The proof is sitting
on her mantel, or where ever she keeps the golden doodad.
John Harkness
Jdawg
scene....she's hot.
Donna B
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> Why do you idjits keep cross-postin' to video game and rasslin' websites?
Uh, why just defend those two ... and continue the X-posting, while you're
at it?
Meanwhile, no, Halle Berry didn't ruin the movie.
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"jombithedjinn" <jombi...@excite.com> wrote in message
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> even speak with an African accent (and Storm is supposed to be from
> be an X-Men 4 since the costs would be too high.
She wasn't good, but I wouldn't say that she ruined the movie, because I
quite enjoyed it.
- Nathan P. Mahney -
BTR1701
"Karnak 17" <karn...@cs.com> wrote:
> jombithedjinn wrote:
> > BTR1701 wrote:
> > > In article <1148935612.7...@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> > > "jombithedjinn" <jombi...@excite.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > She took up way too much screen time, she's so talentless
> > >
> > > She may not be the best actress in the world but she does a more than
> > > adequate job for a comic book movie about people with superpowers.
> > >
> > > This ain't "Othello" we're talkin' about here.
> >
> > Actually it's better. Did you see that piece of shit movie O? Yeah,
> > what a stinker that was.
>
> You can play Othello badly, and you can play a superhero badly. Halle
> Berry may have given a brilliant performance to win that Oscar. She
> may be capable of doing a brilliant Desdemona, for all I know. But she
> plays a superhero badly. I never believed a single moment she had on
> screen.
I never believed a single moment *any* of them had on screen. They're
running around in superhero outfits and shooting lightning bolts out of
their hands or flying around with gigantic white wings sprouting out of
their backs.
It's like watching a 2-hour cartoon. It's fun and enjoyable. But
believable? Don't make me laugh.
Nathan P. Mahney
""The Degenerate" Luke Michaels" <bens...@gmail.youknowthedrill.com> wrote
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> > She took up way too much screen time, she's so talentless she can't
> > even speak with an African accent (and Storm is supposed to be from
> > Africa), and because of her 20 million dollar paycheck, their might not
> > be an X-Men 4 since the costs would be too high.
>
> important part of X-Men and she /is/ the leader after Cyclops isn't.
> Halle Berry did well playing the role of Storm stepping up to become the
> leader as Xavier asked her to.
She didn't really - it was Wolverine issuing orders in the final battle...
John Doe
most folks wouldn't agree with your premise.
Halle Berry is hot, and she's a good action movie actress.
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HockeyTownUSA
>
> There were grumblings and rumors of a Wolverine spin-off movie, but
> nothing
> is set for any movies beyond X-3...
And why Wolverine? He's nothing more than a fast healing dude with titanium
blades stuck to his wrist... He'd make a better chef than a superhero.
Troll
> She took up way too much screen time, she's so talentless she can't
> even speak with an African accent (and Storm is supposed to be from
> Africa), and because of her 20 million dollar paycheck, their might not
> be an X-Men 4 since the costs would be too high.
Ahh, and Hugh Jackman, Ian McKellan, and Patrick Stewart work for free,
now? Anyway, why would this present any sort of impediment to making
more movies? Making an X-Men movie without Storm wouldn't be at all
difficult - she's the easiest one to replace out of the core cast, as
Storm was always a peripheral character. She's never said or done
anything to advance the plot of the movies. Replacing Hugh Jackman,
Patrick Stewart, Famke Janssen, or Anna Paquin would be much more difficult.
Donna B
<127mrbe...@corp.supernews.com>, "CoinSpin"
<coin^spam^sp...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hate to burst your bubble there, jombi, but there probably won't be an X-Men
> 4 because they never INTENDED to have an X-Men 4. All of the main
> characters' actors were signed to a 3 picture deal, with the original intent
> of ONLY doing 3 X-Men movies. Anything beyond that would be completely up
> in the air. Did you see any of the interviews with the cast? Each of the
> main actors said how much they'd miss working with each other since X-3
> would be the last movie where that whole cast would work together.
>
> There were grumblings and rumors of a Wolverine spin-off movie, but nothing
> is set for any movies beyond X-3... At least nothing that has been made
> public yet.
Hugh Jackman spoke about the Wolverine spin-off that is in the works in
interviews for X-MEN 3.
I am astounded by the level of misinformation out there.
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Ceowulf
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> even speak with an African accent (and Storm is supposed to be from
> Africa), and because of her 20 million dollar paycheck, their might not
> be an X-Men 4 since the costs would be too high.
"Don't you know who I am?
..
I'm the Juggernaught bitch!"
Hahahahahah, best part of the movie.
Ceo-
Ken from Chicago
<badth...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> jombithedjinn wrote:
>> even speak with an African accent (and Storm is supposed to be from
>> Africa), and because of her 20 million dollar paycheck, their might not
>> be an X-Men 4 since the costs would be too high.
>
> Southern drawl? And I don't hear Canadian in anything Wolverine said.
> And why do Magneto and Professor X have English accents? Neither
> *character* is English.
>
> with. Julia Roberts is the only woman who makes that much. Halle
> peaked at $14M with Catwoman and Gothika and considering how they did,
> it's doubtful she could continue to pull it, Peter Principle or no.
>
> And to whomever suggested that people who cross post from wrestling
> were automatically trolls and should be ignored, I'm sorry. I never
> should have doubted you.
The important thing is that ... now you know.
And knowing is half the battle.
-- Ken from Chicago
P.S. You can limit the newsgroups you can reply to, at least in Outlook
Express.
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TOO LATE!
-- Ken from Chicago
trike
Independent films made by Hollywood insiders, if we may be allowed
those as a genre.
The only films I've seen lately that I've 5-starred are Transamerica
and Everything is Illuminated.
Doug
trike
That's exactly the point Jon Favreau is making when he talks about
casting for Iron Man. Iron Man is the star, not whichever actor plays
Tony Stark. The franchise is the draw, rather than whoever is acting
in it.
People who are going to see Ghost Rider aren't going because they loved
Nic Cage's subtle turn in The Weather Man, they're going for the thrill
ride offered by Johnny Blaze's hellfire-powered motorcycle.
Doug
CoinSpin
"Donna B" <shall...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Ah, must have been an interview I missed. I knew they had been tossing the
idea around since X-2 was being filmed, but had not heard that it was moving
forward. At least they are working with Jackman, he actually made a pretty
good Wolverine.
CoinSpin
CoinSpin
"HockeyTownUSA" <magma at comcast dot net> wrote in message
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Why Wolverine? Because he was the most popular individual character from
X-Men. At least in the comic world he was. For quite a while he was THE
signature X-Men iconic character, so I'm sure FOX thinks that most people
who were interested in watching X-Men movies would pay to see Wolverine
ones. And they'd probably be right, for the most part.
CoinSpin
mcv
> She took up way too much screen time, she's so talentless she can't
> even speak with an African accent (and Storm is supposed to be from
> be an X-Men 4 since the costs would be too high.
I think she's a perfectly fine actress, and I don't think X-Men 3 was
ruined. But I do think it wasn't exactly her greatest performance,
and I also think that maybe some other actress would have been more
suitable for the role. It's not a matter of bad acting, it's one of
bad casting.
mcv.
chainbreaker
> Why Wolverine? Because he was the most popular individual character
> from X-Men. At least in the comic world he was. For quite a while
> he was THE signature X-Men iconic character, so I'm sure FOX thinks
> that most people who were interested in watching X-Men movies would
> pay to see Wolverine ones. And they'd probably be right, for the
> most part.
>
> CoinSpin
There'd be a significant audience for Jackman, whether or not in a Wolverine
film.
--
chainbreaker
Mattinglyfan
> She's far below average.
>
And the other X-men acting is oscar worthy isn't it?
> <shepsh...@excite.com> wrote:
>> "jombithedjinn" <jombi...@excite.com> wrote in message
>> news:1148935612.7...@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> > She took up way too much screen time, she's so talentless she can't
>> > even speak with an African accent (and Storm is supposed to be from
>> > Africa), and because of her 20 million dollar paycheck, their might not
>> > be an X-Men 4 since the costs would be too high.
>> >
>>
>> Can't speak for her performance in xmen but she's always seemed a
>> perfectly
>> average actress to me. What more is required for xmen?
>
Puzzla
>
> Nemesis wrote:
>> badth...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > jombithedjinn wrote:
>> > > She took up way too much screen time, she's so talentless she can't
>> > > even speak with an African accent (and Storm is supposed to be from
>> > > Africa), and because of her 20 million dollar paycheck, their might
>> > > not
>> > > be an X-Men 4 since the costs would be too high.
>> >
>> > As opposed to the Russian accent of Colossus? Rouge's in-and-out
>> > Southern drawl? And I don't hear Canadian in anything Wolverine said.
>> > And why do Magneto and Professor X have English accents? Neither
>> > *character* is English.
>> >
>>
>> No, but all of them are white so they're excused.
>> You didn't hear Colossus accused of talking "street" because he lacked
>> an accent.
>> But if you look at the posts bashing the movie, most of the heat is put
>> on her.
>> "She spoke street" because she didn't speak with an accent.
>
> When did I say this?
>
I don't think they are talking about you.
>> "She got too much screen time" when she didn't get any more than Hugh
>> Jackman and no one's complaining about his screen time.
>
> Hugh Jackman doesn't completely suck as Wolverine.
>
Oh yes he does. Sheesh.
>> Someone had suggested using a different black actress as Storm but I
>> suspect it wouldn't have made a difference to some of the complainters.
>
> Are you "challenged"? Do you have special needs?
>
If they were talking about you, I'm sure they would have mentioned your
screen name. Btw, I agree with them. Why pick out one person, when all
have their flaws. And what about the classic problem with superheroes.
They can do anything and everything, until it gets in the way of the plot.
Example, Xavier is the most powerful mutant at reading minds, but he was
easily taken over by the bad guy in X2. And if she ruined the movie, does
that mean it's bad?
Puzz
Tom Zielinski
"mcv" <mcv...@xs4all.nl> wrote in message
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> I think she's a perfectly fine actress, and I don't think X-Men 3 was
> ruined. But I do think it wasn't exactly her greatest performance,
> and I also think that maybe some other actress would have been more
> suitable for the role. It's not a matter of bad acting, it's one of
> bad casting.
Almost my thoughts of Berry in "Die Another Day" but her performance in that
film is for the most part, inexplicably bad.
What is it with Berry and huge action/superhero pictures?
Marcovaldo
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>
> I never believed a single moment *any* of them had on screen. They're
> running around in superhero outfits and shooting lightning bolts out of
> their hands or flying around with gigantic white wings sprouting out of
> their backs.
>
> It's like watching a 2-hour cartoon. It's fun and enjoyable. But
> believable? Don't make me laugh.
What!! I was told this was a documentary!!!
MarkRRose
Yeah, all the people who read COMIC books (cartoons drawn in panels) are
complaining that the movie wasn't believable :)
Mark
Ken from Chicago
"MarkRRose" <MRose...@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
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You DO realize that makes the MOVIE look bad when people who read comic
books have trouble suspending disbelief?
-- Ken from Chicago
Memnoch
Because the Hollywood goons had a few movies with female heroines do well so
they try to find excuses to do more of the same. Tried with Aeon Flux and it
stank. Tried it with Elektra. That was bad too.
Xocyll
the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the
signs say:
Nah, just means they didn't like the presentation.
Nothing to do with suspension of disbelief or lack thereof.
Xocyll
--
I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
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Ken from Chicago
"Xocyll" <Xoc...@kingston.net> wrote in message
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> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> looked up from reading
> the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the
> signs say:
>
>>
>>"MarkRRose" <MRose...@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>news:447C8D8A...@nyc.rr.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> Marcovaldo wrote:
>>>> "BTR1701" <btr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:btr1702-26E345...@news.giganews.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I never believed a single moment *any* of them had on screen. They're
>>>>>running around in superhero outfits and shooting lightning bolts out of
>>>>>their hands or flying around with gigantic white wings sprouting out of
>>>>>their backs.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's like watching a 2-hour cartoon. It's fun and enjoyable. But
>>>>>believable? Don't make me laugh.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What!! I was told this was a documentary!!!
>>>
>>> Yeah, all the people who read COMIC books (cartoons drawn in panels) are
>>> complaining that the movie wasn't believable :)
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>
>>You DO realize that makes the MOVIE look bad when people who read comic
>>books have trouble suspending disbelief?
>
> Nah, just means they didn't like the presentation.
>
> Nothing to do with suspension of disbelief or lack thereof.
>
> Xocyll
That's pretty bad presentation when people who routinely read stories about
some guy use GLASSES as a disguise from the INVESTIGATIVE REPORTERS he works
with and they reporters are none the wiser and YET these same readers are
having a problem with presentation.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ed Stasiak
> > Ed Stasiak wrote
> >
> > Of those who went to see the X-Men movies, how many of
> > them do you think _wouldn't_ have gone to see it if the cast
> > was made up of unknown actors?
>
> That's exactly the point Jon Favreau is making when he talks
> about casting for Iron Man. Iron Man is the star, not whichever
> actor plays Tony Stark. The franchise is the draw, rather than
> whoever is acting in it.
And I think this applies to most movies, not just comic book flicks.
IMO most people don't decide to see a movie just because some
particular actor is cast in it. They may be going on a date and part
of that is seeing some movie, they may not have a date and just
want to rent some movie, they're into sci-fi/comic book/horror/etc
movies and would watch it anyway, or they simply saw the TV ad
for the movie and it looks cool to them.
Why pay some "movie star" a bazillion dollars, when there are all
kinda unknown/little known actors floating around Hollywood that
would probably do just as well and do it for a fraction of the cost?
John Harkness
Because if the picture tanks and you've got stars, it's one thing. But
if you're the guy at the studio who greenlit a movie with unknowns,
particularly an expensive summer movie, and the film tanks, you become
known as ""The idiot who sent out a $100 million summer movie with no
fucking stars to sell it."
John Harkness
Master Baiter
"Xocyll" <Xoc...@kingston.net>
???????:d0ep721ho8f740oof...@4ax.com...
Arrgh....why people keep replying to and obvious troll post with
_rec.sport.pro-wrestling_ (and most likely _rec.arts.tv.soaps.cbs_ as well,
since it is totally unrelated to movie, comics and games) as a home base
without trimming the troll base? Even regulars (and thus considered veteran
Usenetters that should know better) like ceowulf, chainbreaker, mcv, etc
simply reply without checking the groups???
I'm having fun killfiling bunch of fools (most likely regulars from other
crossposted groups, I guess) not trimming the obvious troll base, in this
thread everyday, but it saddens me to see the "elites" fall for such troll
bait, so carelessly.
Nemesis
with the help of a thousand monkeys banging on keyboards, was finally
able to type out the following:
>
>Nemesis wrote:
>> badth...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > jombithedjinn wrote:
>> > > She took up way too much screen time, she's so talentless she can't
>> > > even speak with an African accent (and Storm is supposed to be from
>> > > Africa), and because of her 20 million dollar paycheck, their might not
>> > > be an X-Men 4 since the costs would be too high.
>> >
>> > As opposed to the Russian accent of Colossus? Rouge's in-and-out
>> > Southern drawl? And I don't hear Canadian in anything Wolverine said.
>> > And why do Magneto and Professor X have English accents? Neither
>> > *character* is English.
>> >
>>
>> No, but all of them are white so they're excused.
>> You didn't hear Colossus accused of talking "street" because he lacked
>> an accent.
>> But if you look at the posts bashing the movie, most of the heat is put
>> on her.
>> "She spoke street" because she didn't speak with an accent.
>
>When did I say this?
>
I wasn't referring to you when I made this point, however, you did
also complain about her lack of an accent:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I3CA6203D
Besides that, Halle Berry is fucking talentless. She couldn't even
speak with an African accent and had to give the Storm character a
weird southern accent for god's fucking sakes. And then she even
dropped that eventually. She sucks and she can't act.
>> "She got too much screen time" when she didn't get any more than Hugh
>> Jackman and no one's complaining about his screen time.
>
>Hugh Jackman doesn't completely suck as Wolverine.
>
His acting level was no different from her's.
>> Someone had suggested using a different black actress as Storm but I
>> suspect it wouldn't have made a difference to some of the complainters.
>
>Are you "challenged"? Do you have special needs?
No, do you?
--
Nemesis
ICQ #4610826
http://www.tehawk.com
http://home.earthlink.net/~tehawk
Nemesis
with the help of a thousand monkeys banging on keyboards, was finally
able to type out the following:
>
>BTR1701 wrote:
>> In article <1148935612.7...@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
>> "jombithedjinn" <jombi...@excite.com> wrote:
>>
>> > She took up way too much screen time, she's so talentless
>>
>> She may not be the best actress in the world but she does a more than
>> adequate job for a comic book movie about people with superpowers.
>>
>> This ain't "Othello" we're talkin' about here.
>
>Actually it's better. Did you see that piece of shit movie O? Yeah,
>what a stinker that was.
>
You're using O as an example of Othello?
You live in a trailer park don't you?
>But regardless superhero movies are one of the only things Hollywood
>does right these days. What would you rather watch? Aliens vs Predator?
>King Arthur? XXX 2? Last Holiday? RV? Crash? The Island? Hoot? The Da
>Vinci Code? The billion fucking CGI kids movies that get made each and
>every year? Something with Lindsay Lohan in it? Something with Martin
>Lawrence in it? Name one genre that's coming out with better movies in
>Hollywood these days. No one in Hollywood's making anything as good let
>alone better.
No surprise there that you would lack the intelligence to be able to
enjoy anything more cerebral than an "action" movie.
Really only a moron could believe the statement that "superhero movies
are one of the only things Hollywood does right these days" when in
truth, more of those types flunk at the box office.
Maybe one out of three that are released become a hit.
Of the movies you mentioned in your example above, none of the action
movies were a hit and one of the non-action movies was.
Mattinglyfan
"blue" <ba...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
>
> "The Degenerate" Luke Michaels wrote:
>
>> jombithedjinn wrote:
>>
>>> She took up way too much screen time, she's so talentless she can't
>>> even speak with an African accent (and Storm is supposed to be from
>>> Africa), and because of her 20 million dollar paycheck, their might not
>>> be an X-Men 4 since the costs would be too high.
>>
>>
>> important part of X-Men and she /is/ the leader after Cyclops isn't.
>> Halle Berry did well playing the role of Storm stepping up to become the
>> leader as Xavier asked her to.
>>
>
> She said in a recent interview that the charcater was African.
>
Well then she was misinformed by the people who gave her the scripts.
Invid Fan
<kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Xocyll" <Xoc...@kingston.net> wrote in message
> news:d0ep721ho8f740oof...@4ax.com...
> > "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> looked up from reading
> > the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the
> > signs say:
> >>You DO realize that makes the MOVIE look bad when people who read comic
> >>books have trouble suspending disbelief?
> >
> > Nah, just means they didn't like the presentation.
> >
> > Nothing to do with suspension of disbelief or lack thereof.
> >
> > Xocyll
>
> That's pretty bad presentation when people who routinely read stories about
> some guy use GLASSES as a disguise from the INVESTIGATIVE REPORTERS he works
> with and they reporters are none the wiser and YET these same readers are
> having a problem with presentation.
>
There are things that work in animation/comics that don't work in live
action. The less the universe the story is told in visually looks like
reality, the easier it is to suspend disbelief as you can tell yourself
that if the story universe DID look like reality then the odd parts
would also look real.
--
Chris Mack "Refugee, total shit. That's how I've always seen us.
'Invid Fan' Not a help, you'll admit, to agreement between us."
-'Deal/No Deal', CHESS
Ken from Chicago
"Invid Fan" <in...@localnet.com> wrote in message
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> In article <0rudnbEa4cH...@comcast.com>, Ken from Chicago
> <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> "Xocyll" <Xoc...@kingston.net> wrote in message
>> news:d0ep721ho8f740oof...@4ax.com...
>> > "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> looked up from
>> > reading
>> > the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the
>> > signs say:
>
>> >>You DO realize that makes the MOVIE look bad when people who read comic
>> >>books have trouble suspending disbelief?
>> >
>> > Nah, just means they didn't like the presentation.
>> >
>> > Nothing to do with suspension of disbelief or lack thereof.
>> >
>> > Xocyll
>>
>> That's pretty bad presentation when people who routinely read stories
>> about
>> some guy use GLASSES as a disguise from the INVESTIGATIVE REPORTERS he
>> works
>> with and they reporters are none the wiser and YET these same readers are
>> having a problem with presentation.
>>
> There are things that work in animation/comics that don't work in live
> action. The less the universe the story is told in visually looks like
> reality, the easier it is to suspend disbelief as you can tell yourself
> that if the story universe DID look like reality then the odd parts
> would also look real.
LOIS AND CLARK: THE NEW ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN
SUPERMAN II
SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE
THE ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN
-- Ken from Chicago
Invid Fan
Chicago <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
Yes, and the glasses thing is stupid in them ^_^
race...@lycos.com
done very well over the last several years and it's reasonable to think
you can translate that into film-success. Look at Winx, She-Spies,
Powerpuff Girls, Sailor Moon etc. Somewhere there are girls out there
that like seeing girl heroes. Let alone the popularity of Aeon Flux and
the recent trend of turning cartoons into movies made that a reasonable
gamble - I think Elektra was being sold primarily as a Jennifer Garner
vehicle and I think that was risky since Alias has never been a HUGE
hit, just widly popular with certain loyal fans.
Mattinglyfan
"Nemesis" <nem...@tehawk.comedy> wrote in message
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> On 29 May 2006 15:47:47 -0700, "jombithedjinn" <jombi...@excite.com>
> with the help of a thousand monkeys banging on keyboards, was finally
> able to type out the following:
>
>>
>>BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <1148935612.7...@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
>>> "jombithedjinn" <jombi...@excite.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > She took up way too much screen time, she's so talentless
>>>
>>> She may not be the best actress in the world but she does a more than
>>> adequate job for a comic book movie about people with superpowers.
>>>
>>> This ain't "Othello" we're talkin' about here.
>>
>>Actually it's better. Did you see that piece of shit movie O? Yeah,
>>what a stinker that was.
>>
>
> You're using O as an example of Othello?
> You live in a trailer park don't you?
>
>
LOL. Anyone who thinks of Mekhi Phifer and Julia Stiles when someone
mentions "Othello" hasn't really been exposed to a lot of culture so ease up
a little. BTW, Lawrence Fishbourne as Othello was freaking awesome.
Ken from Chicago
Agreed, tho they were popular enough that a huge numbers of people were
willing to suspend disbelief .
-- Ken from Chicago
Karnak 17
Ken from Chicago wrote:
> "Invid Fan" wrote
<snip>
> >> >> >>You DO realize that makes the MOVIE look bad when people who read
> >> >> >>comic books have trouble suspending disbelief?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Nah, just means they didn't like the presentation.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Nothing to do with suspension of disbelief or lack thereof.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Xocyll
> >> >>
> >> >> That's pretty bad presentation when people who routinely read stories
> >> >> about some guy use GLASSES as a disguise from the INVESTIGATIVE
> >> >> REPORTERS he works with and they reporters are none the wiser and YET
> >> >> these same readers are having a problem with presentation.
> >> >>
> >> > There are things that work in animation/comics that don't work in live
> >> > action. The less the universe the story is told in visually looks like
> >> > reality, the easier it is to suspend disbelief as you can tell yourself
> >> > that if the story universe DID look like reality then the odd parts
> >> > would also look real.
> >>
> >> LOIS AND CLARK: THE NEW ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN
> >>
> >> SUPERMAN II
> >>
> >> SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE
> >>
> >> THE ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN
> >>
> > Yes, and the glasses thing is stupid in them ^_^
>
> Agreed, tho they were popular enough that a huge numbers of people were
> willing to suspend disbelief .
I think that the more preposterous the idea/premise is, the more
important presentation is. It's not a question of being realistic, but
of hitting the right stylistic tone to match the material.
Re Comics v. Movies: One thing they did in the movies was tone down
some of the character's powers -- Rogue's for example. I think that
was a good move, not just because I hate it when characters get too
powerful, but because with real people and live action it helps to keep
things more grounded and believable.
Memnoch
wrote:
That happened with Catwoman. She even turned up, hats off to her here, to a
rewards ceremony for crap performances. She accepted her 'reward' graciously
and then blamed her agent! :-)
Memnoch
>On 29 May 2006 13:46:52 -0700, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg, jombithedjinn
>wrote:
>
>>She took up way too much screen time, she's so talentless she can't
>>even speak with an African accent (and Storm is supposed to be from
>>Africa), and because of her 20 million dollar paycheck, their might not
>>be an X-Men 4 since the costs would be too high.
>
>Nope. Doubt we can all agree on that, but we can agree that this is TOTALLY OFF
>TOPIC!
Since the topic is about whether Halle ruined X Men 3 or not I'd say it was on
the money. If you mean the group then fair play, but then just ignore the
thread if you wish.
Karnak 17
> > She's far below average.
> >
>
> And the other X-men acting is oscar worthy isn't it?
Oscar worthy acting may not be a requirement for this sort of thing,
but you do need to be convincing for the role and Berry wasn't.
Jackman, Stewart, McKellan, Cameron Bright, Olivia Williams, Kesley
Grammer, and particularly Ellen Page were all very good at doing what
they were SUPPOSED to do -- make us BELIEVE in the character we were
watching. Watching Storm try to take charge, however, was
unconvincing. You couldn't believe for a minute that Berry was who she
was pretending to be -- a strong leader.
I'm not dissing Berry as an actress. I haven't seen her in much else.
It is possible she was just miscast as the strong-leader type, or that
couldn't relate to the material in this case for some reason. The fact
remains that her performance was noticeably bad even in a genre where
people DON'T expect Oscar performances.
Possibly what an actor REALLY needs for a comic-book role like this is
not so much "acting talent" per se, so much as a strong presence.
Perhaps Berry has the first (good for naturalistic roles about ordinary
women) and not the second (good for super heroes). Either way, she
simply didn't work in this film.
Garth
"jombithedjinn" <jombi...@excite.com> wrote in message
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> She took up way too much screen time, she's so talentless she can't
> even speak with an African accent (and Storm is supposed to be from
> Africa), and because of her 20 million dollar paycheck, their might not
> be an X-Men 4 since the costs would be too high.
She sucks, I want her to give her Oscar back
Michael Romes
...
>> No. The Storm in the movies isn't African, she's just black. Storm is
>> an important part of X-Men and she /is/ the leader after Cyclops
>> isn't. Halle Berry did well playing the role of Storm stepping up to
>> become the leader as Xavier asked her to.
>>
>
> She said in a recent interview that the charcater was African.
According to the old comics Storm (Ororo) definitely is african, as she
once was worshipped as a godess by some african tribe and once lived in
Egypt where she was caught under some ruins when the city was bombed -
that was the reason for her claustrophobia.
bye
Michael
Jon J. Yeager
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Guys, stop being fanboys for a second.
Under Joe Quesada, there have been about half a dozen variations of the
Avengers offered to the public (Avengers, Ultimates, Ultimate Avengers,
Marvel Adventures Avengers, Earth's Mightiest Heroes, M2 Avengers, etc.) and
a few versions of the X-Men as well (UltimateWolverine isn't the same guy as
616 Wolverine who isn't the same guy as Movie Wolverine).
Sometimes Nick Fury is black. Sometimes he's white. Movie Colossus isn't
Russian, but 616 Colossus is. I've no idea about Ultimate Colossus, nor do I
much care. 616 Rogue is a southern belle who's into Gambit and Magneto --
Movie Rogue isn't a southern anything and has a crush on Iceman of all
people...
...so why should Storm have an African accent?
There is absolutely no consistency from one day to the next when presenting
these characters. Everything is being thrown at the wall hoping something
sticks. So far, Ultimates and New Avengers have both stuck, with amazing
success and outstanding sales... so what does Joe Q do? Make sure the DVD
version includes an amalgam of Ultimates and... *Classic* Avengers.
No, I don't get it either. But it's the way it is.
In this context, harping about Storm's missing African accent in the movie
seems a bit futile, doesn't it?
Jon
--
"Why would I feel offended at being called a penis?"
- Badthingus, to Tue Sorensen
"I didn't call him a penis; I called him a discarded piece
of circumcized foreskin. :-) "
- Tue Sorensen, in his own defense
Nathan P. Mahney
"Jon J. Yeager" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
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For me the problem isn't that it's different from the comics - it's that the
character did have the accent in the first movie. The series is
contradicting itself. It doesn't bother me immensely, and I'd never let
such a minor point spoil my enjoyment of the movie, but consistency is a
good thing. If Halle couldn't do the accent, or didn't want to, she should
have ditched it before filming started on the first movie.
- Nathan P. Mahney -
David Johnston
wrote:
>Sometimes Nick Fury is black. Sometimes he's white. Movie Colossus isn't
>Russian, but 616 Colossus is. I've no idea about Ultimate Colossus, nor do I
>much care. 616 Rogue is a southern belle who's into Gambit and Magneto --
>Movie Rogue isn't a southern anything and has a crush on Iceman of all
>people...
Well hey, crushed ice. It's a natural.
>
>In this context, harping about Storm's missing African accent in the movie
>seems a bit futile, doesn't it?
Well yeah, but since this thread started out crossposted into a group
for computer roleplaying games, that makes it a troll to start with.
David Johnston
<nma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>For me the problem isn't that it's different from the comics - it's that the
>character did have the accent in the first movie. The series is
>contradicting itself.
Unless of course having spent a few years in the United States in the
intervening time, the accent went away as happens in real life.
Jon J. Yeager
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>
> For me the problem isn't that it's different from the comics - it's that
> the
> character did have the accent in the first movie. The series is
> contradicting itself. It doesn't bother me immensely, and I'd never let
> such a minor point spoil my enjoyment of the movie, but consistency is a
> good thing. If Halle couldn't do the accent, or didn't want to, she
> should
> have ditched it before filming started on the first movie.
The Simpsons voices are nothing like they were in Season 1.
Lieutenant Worf sounded nothing during most of ST:TNG like he did in the
first episode.
Hell, Madonna moved to England and inherited a British accent overnight.
I wouldn't blame Berry for fine-tuning and making the character her own from
movie to movie, especially since it would be easy to rationalize the accent
disappearing by stating that more time in America = more time to learn to
speak like Americans. The opposite would have been harder to accept.
I do think you're being harsher on her because of your emotional attachment
to the X-Men. Personally, I'd be hard-pressed to find a single actor who
didn't tweak and hone his character from movie to movie, or show to show.
If you want to find something to point the finger at, I submit Beast's blue
fur, of which each of the MILLIONS OF STRANDS ARE OF A SINGLE HUE, from head
to toe.
Name me a single mammal that you can say that about, regardless of its hair
color. Even pitch-black or bright white animals have various hues in their
fur.
Seriously, would it have killed the makeup dept. to have considered that
Beast can be various realistic shades of blue and still be blue? Every scene
he appeared in, he looked like an animal that someone dumped 10 gallons of
blue paint on... instead of a blue animal.
Xocyll
I've always found that particular "disguise" more than a little silly.
With the X-men thing though - having not seen X3 yet, I can't recall any
real mention of Storm's past in the first 2 movies.
Yeah in the comic she was the goddess etc, but the movies don't seem to
be following the comic very closely. (Go figure with under 2 hours to
cram in the episode and what little backstory they can, vs years of
comics.)
So why is it a surprise that in the 3rd movie, things are different than
in the comics - when that's been the case since the first movie.
The people who are complaining that she "ruined" things are probably WAY
too wrapped up in their comics (the simpsons comic book guy springs to
mind) to accept that this is a MOVIE not a series of comic books.
Different media, different presentation.
Mattinglyfan
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Right after Marissa Tomei and Meg Tilly give theirs back.
Grace Noble
*whole lotta snippin' for space*
>
> With the X-men thing though - having not seen X3 yet, I can't recall any
> real mention of Storm's past in the first 2 movies.
>
> Yeah in the comic she was the goddess etc, but the movies don't seem to
> be following the comic very closely. (Go figure with under 2 hours to
> cram in the episode and what little backstory they can, vs years of
> comics.)
>
> So why is it a surprise that in the 3rd movie, things are different than
> in the comics - when that's been the case since the first movie.
>
> The people who are complaining that she "ruined" things are probably WAY
> too wrapped up in their comics (the simpsons comic book guy springs to
> mind) to accept that this is a MOVIE not a series of comic books.
>
> Different media, different presentation.
Kind of reminds me of the Bible thumpers getting worked up over The DaVinci
Code. Their "source" was first so it is the only possible way the story can
be told. No other thoughts allowed.
T. David Bamford
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>*whole lotta snippin' for space*
>
>>
>> With the X-men thing though - having not seen X3 yet, I can't recall any
>> real mention of Storm's past in the first 2 movies.
>>
>> Yeah in the comic she was the goddess etc, but the movies don't seem to
>> be following the comic very closely. (Go figure with under 2 hours to
>> cram in the episode and what little backstory they can, vs years of
>> comics.)
>>
>> So why is it a surprise that in the 3rd movie, things are different than
>> in the comics - when that's been the case since the first movie.
>>
>> The people who are complaining that she "ruined" things are probably WAY
>> too wrapped up in their comics (the simpsons comic book guy springs to
>> mind) to accept that this is a MOVIE not a series of comic books.
>>
>> Different media, different presentation.
Grace:
>Kind of reminds me of the Bible thumpers getting worked up over The DaVinci
>Code. Their "source" was first so it is the only possible way the story can
>be told. No other thoughts allowed.
X-Men fans are a step ahead. They know that it's all just fantasy.
David, the collective whine of the Kat-Licks is music to my ears
Karnak 17
It makes a much better parallel to fans of the DA VINCI novel
complaining about changes made in the book to the film.
As to the comic book, some changes are good and work, some are bad and
suck. If they make a change which works, people will be less likely to
complain. If they manage to capture the essense of a character,
despite superficial changes, then people are less likely to complain.
Rogue was super-powerful in the comics, here she is less powerful, just
her original power-set, and an ingenue rather than an ex-terrorist.
But she was superbly portrayed (in the first film anyway), so it
worked.
Storm in the comics was supposed to be a strong smart leader with a
deeply spiritual side. Her she is AT LEAST supposed to be a strong
leader, but even that doesn't get portrayed properly, to the detriment
of the film. I really was never much of a Storm fan, but Berry's
performance was weak and distracting, and would have been if I'd never
heard of the character.
Fred Liken
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> Mattinglyfan wrote:
>> "jombithedjinn" <jombi...@excite.com> wrote in message
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>> > She's far below average.
>> >
>>
>> And the other X-men acting is oscar worthy isn't it?
>
> Oscar worthy acting may not be a requirement for this sort of thing,
> but you do need to be convincing for the role and Berry wasn't.
> Jackman, Stewart, McKellan, Cameron Bright, Olivia Williams, Kesley
> Grammer, and particularly Ellen Page were all very good at doing what
> they were SUPPOSED to do -- make us BELIEVE in the character we were
> watching. Watching Storm try to take charge, however, was
> unconvincing. You couldn't believe for a minute that Berry was who she
> was pretending to be -- a strong leader.
>
> I'm not dissing Berry as an actress. I haven't seen her in much else.
> It is possible she was just miscast as the strong-leader type, or that
> couldn't relate to the material in this case for some reason. The fact
> remains that her performance was noticeably bad even in a genre where
> people DON'T expect Oscar performances.
She's a black actress that whites aren't intimidated by and comic book geeks
would wank off to. I'm not sure if acting ability ever came into play.
Fred Liken
> Yeah, all the people who read COMIC books (cartoons drawn in panels) are
> complaining that the movie wasn't believable :)
What's wrong with expecting a certain level of suspension of disbelief from
a movie, now? Sigh... just get in any old jab you can, eh, Mrs. Rose?
Rich
Look at your sentence. How do you think she GOT the Oscar?
Victoria Hirt
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>> She said in a recent interview that the charcater was African.
>
>Well then she was misinformed by the people who gave her the scripts.
Would you believe Marvel Comics?
Storm was born in New York City, New York and is the descendant of an
ancient line of African priestesses, all of whom have white hair, blue
eyes, and the potential to wield magic.
rhyf...@msn.com
> "blue" <ba...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> > She said in a recent interview that the charcater was African.
> >
>
> Well then she was misinformed by the people who gave her the scripts.
I don't know where *you're* getting information from, but certainly
not from the source material for the movies (e.g. the Marvel Comics
publications); Ororo Munroe, aka "Storm", has been depicted as being
from AFRICA from the very beginning.
rhyf...@msn.com
>
> Storm was born in New York City, New York and is the descendant of an
> ancient line of African priestesses,
The birth in New York was a later addition to her backstory; she was
orginally depicted as being from Africa. In the first "New X-Men" (
which I own <G>), Xavier is shown "collecting" her from Africa, where
she is acting as weather goddess for a primitive tribe. And IIRC, even
with the afterthought of her supposedly being born in the U.S., she was
still supposed to have lived in Africa for most of her childhood.
She has *never* been depicted, AFAIK, as being from South America.
rhyf...@msn.com
Jon J. Yeager wrote:
> Guys, stop being fanboys for a second.
FYI, at least two of the people in this discussion are female. <G>
> Movie Rogue isn't a southern anything
Not entirely true; she had a distinct Southern accent in the first
movie.
> In this context, harping about Storm's missing African accent in the movie
> seems a bit futile, doesn't it?
Actually, after the first poster, nobody's "harping" about the accent;
we're responding to an entirely inaccurate comment claiming Ororo
Munroe/"Storm" is from Brazil.
And you're also incorrect about there being no consistency to the
characters; the movies kept reasonable faith, so to speak, with the
print origins of a number of characters - Logan being from Canada,
Rouge from the south, Magneto being a Holocaust survivor, Nightcrawler
being a German circus performer, Kitty Pryde being Jewish, etc.
rhyf...@msn.com
badth...@yahoo.com wrote:
> And why do Magneto and Professor X have English accents? Neither
> *character* is English.
I didn't notice Professor X having much in the way of a British
accent, just speaking with a "cultured" voice.
Magneto's slight accent is actually perfectly normal for a European
speaking English as a second language; many, if not most, Europeans
learn English with that accent.
My dentist and his wife are German; both speak fluent English, but
since she learned it in Germany, she sounds entirely British, while he
sounds American witih a slight German overlay.
rhyf...@msn.com
Karnak 17 wrote:
> Mel was not a great actor in BRAVEHEART but he was
> strong enough to buy as a leader.
His alleged Scots Highland accent, OTOH, sucked shit with straws...
and came and went horrendously. <G>
rhyf...@msn.com
Ken from Chicago wrote:
> Xocyll
>
> That's pretty bad presentation when people who routinely read stories about
> some guy use GLASSES as a disguise from the INVESTIGATIVE REPORTERS he works
> with and they reporters are none the wiser and YET these same readers are
> having a problem with presentation.
Logical error; just because somebody liked the X-Men comic books back
in the 70's and 80's doesn't mean that s/he (I'm a mid-40's female)
likes Superman! <G>
I never could stand the character, partially for the reason you cite
(the utter lack of logic involved in his "secret identity").
WRT the casting of Storm, personally I've always thought Angela
Basset would have been terrific; she can be both soft and feminine
*and* kick butt (as in "Strange Days").
rhyf...@msn.com
Karnak 17 wrote:
hitting the right stylistic tone to match the material.
>
> Re Comics v. Movies: One thing they did in the movies was tone down
> some of the character's powers -- Rogue's for example.
Actually, they didn't tone down Rogue; the character in the books only
got really powerful after absorbing another character's powers more or
less permanently. Can't remember now who it was....
rhyf...@msn.com
David
Miss Marvel
Ken from Chicago
>
> Ken from Chicago wrote:
>> "Invid Fan" wrote
> <snip>
>> >> >> >>You DO realize that makes the MOVIE look bad when people who read
>> >> >> >>comic books have trouble suspending disbelief?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Nah, just means they didn't like the presentation.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Nothing to do with suspension of disbelief or lack thereof.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That's pretty bad presentation when people who routinely read
>> >> >> stories
>> >> >> about some guy use GLASSES as a disguise from the INVESTIGATIVE
>> >> >> REPORTERS he works with and they reporters are none the wiser and
>> >> >> YET
>> >> >> these same readers are having a problem with presentation.
>> >> >>
>> >> > live
>> >> > action. The less the universe the story is told in visually looks
>> >> > like
>> >> > reality, the easier it is to suspend disbelief as you can tell
>> >> > yourself
>> >> > that if the story universe DID look like reality then the odd parts
>> >> > would also look real.
>> >>
>> >> LOIS AND CLARK: THE NEW ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN
>> >>
>> >> SUPERMAN II
>> >>
>> >> SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE
>> >>
>> >> THE ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN
>> >>
>> > Yes, and the glasses thing is stupid in them ^_^
>>
>> Agreed, tho they were popular enough that a huge numbers of people were
>> willing to suspend disbelief .
>
> I think that the more preposterous the idea/premise is, the more
> important presentation is. It's not a question of being realistic, but
> of hitting the right stylistic tone to match the material.
Precisely. The characters should be *consistent* with the setting they're
in--and if not, then those inconsistencies should be *explained*.
> Re Comics v. Movies: One thing they did in the movies was tone down
> some of the character's powers -- Rogue's for example. I think that
> was a good move, not just because I hate it when characters get too
> powerful, but because with real people and live action it helps to keep
> things more grounded and believable.
Plus with more powers it's harder to come up with plausible threats.
Moreover while it veered wildly from the comics, I liked they had her made
the choice she made and why.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
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Binary aka Ms. Marvel aka Carol Danvers.
-- Ken from Chicago
Karnak 17
Carol Danvers aka Ms. Marvel. And since she didn't do that in the
movie, that essentially amounts to haveing "toned down" powers.