Global warming scam and associated junk science exposed
Irish Mike
hysteria was a total scam have been vindicated. Global warming and its
associated junk science have been exposed. A hacker or hackers broke in
to the computer at University of East Angila's Climate Research Unit
(CRU). The CRU is the Mecca of the global warming loons. The hackers
published dozens of E-mails written by the CRU scientists showing that
those in charge manipulated, hid and suppressed data that clearly shows
that global temperatures have not been rising. In fact, global
temperatures have been declining. Needless to say, the CRU scientists are
in a full panic and desperately trying to spin the comments written in
their own E-mails. Exposing the global warming scam is an incredibly good
thing for America and our economy. I think these guys should get the
Nobel Peace Prize.
Irish Mike
Global warming is the biggest scam ever pulled on the American people. It
makes Bernard Madoff look like a crooked Girl Scout selling over priced
cookies.
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Michael
hear what sort of movies you like than this bullshit you keep posting. Don't
worry I am not going to answer any more of these postings, so we don't have
to start a long argument. I will read your film postings though.
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calvin
> I see you keep going with this flat-earth theory of yours. I would rather
> hear what sort of movies you like than this bullshit you keep posting.
Your words are empty in the face of what you were just told
in the post to which you are responding. You are behaving
like flat-earthers right here. Either refute what he said or shut
up about it.
calvin
> Well those of us who have said from the beginning that the global warming
> hysteria was a total scam have been vindicated. Global warming and its
> associated junk science have been exposed. A hacker or hackers broke in
> to the computer at University of East Angila's Climate Research Unit
> (CRU). The CRU is the Mecca of the global warming loons. The hackers
> published dozens of E-mails written by the CRU scientists showing that
> those in charge manipulated, hid and suppressed data that clearly shows
> that global temperatures have not been rising. In fact, global
> temperatures have been declining. Needless to say, the CRU scientists are
> in a full panic and desperately trying to spin the comments written in
> their own E-mails. Exposing the global warming scam is an incredibly good
> thing for America and our economy. I think these guys should get the
> Nobel Peace Prize.
You're right, but as long as the liberals are in power they will
simply ignore such revelations as these. They are totally
unscrupulous. But these revelations may help get them out
of power in the House, and lose their 60 vote majority in
Senate in next year's mid-term election.
tomcervo
The original poster was simply pushing on the meme that the rigorous
standards demanded in the emails for scientific journals represented
repression of original scientific work. They don't. It's just that
real, disinterested scientists are tired of having to respond to the
scientific equivalent of Kevin Trudeau and peach-pit cancer
curemongers.
michael
in favor of global warming is irreffutable.It doesn' t matter if one or two
people disagree about it or behave dishonestly when the whole scientific
community agrees. People win nobel prizes for this for god's sake. I have no
intention of censoring anyone, but it is very annoying when fringe theories
are presented as fact over and over again. Now I will not make any more
posting on the issue, and spare us all a lot of bother. Write whatever you
like, but I just wanted there to be one voice of sanity to be heard.
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michael
rule in your Congress. But is was very annoying to us that global warming
deniers in your country try to sabotage any progress on the issue. After
all, the united states is not on a separate planet which it can destroy as
it likes. If people like that get into power, we will suffer in our country.
Therefore I hope that no party whether democrat or Republican that deny
global warming get into power in your country. As it stands no(but that may
change i hope) I am against Republicans winning the congress or any other
election.
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michael
also deny evolution? I would not be surprised.
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Irish Mike
> I am sorry Calvin, I didn't intend to start any argument. But the evidence
> in favor of global warming is irreffutable.It doesn' t matter if one or two
> people disagree about it or behave dishonestly when the whole scientific
> community agrees.
The science of global warming is speculative at best and the only way the
"whole scientific community agrees" is if you ignore the hundreds of
reputable scientists who disagree. The published E-mails from the
scientists at the Climate Research Unit (CRU) clearly show that they have
been manipulating and suppressing data for years, in an effort to keep the
global warming hysteria alive. The true CRU data shows that global
temperatures have not increased. In fact, the opposite is true. Global
temperatures have been declining. The problem is that global warming has
become an industry in and of itself and there are people whose jobs depend
on keeping the global warming scam alive. The sad thing is that America
has wasted billions of dollars on the global warming scam and that money
could have been used to address the real problems facing this country.
Irish Mike
Global warming is the biggest scam ever pulled on the American people. It
makes Bernard Madoff look like a crooked Girl Scout selling over priced
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moviePig
> I am sorry Calvin, I didn't intend to start any argument. But the evidence
> in favor of global warming is irreffutable.It doesn' t matter if one or two
> people disagree about it or behave dishonestly when the whole scientific
> community agrees. People win nobel prizes for this for god's sake. I have no
> intention of censoring anyone, but it is very annoying when fringe theories
> are presented as fact over and over again. Now I will not make any more
> posting on the issue, and spare us all a lot of bother. Write whatever you
> like, but I just wanted there to be one voice of sanity to be heard.
You can probably rest easy. Most anyone on any side of any issue can
detect, whether they like it or not, when "facts" are being presented
in celebratory fashion... a strong indicator of Kool-Aid in the
groundwater...
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YOUR taste at work...
http://www.moviepig.com
calvin
As if that, if true, doesn't apply to liberals as well
as conservatives. No liberals celebrated when WMDs
were not found in Iraq?
Anthony Buckland
"Irish Mike" <ad7...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
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> Well those of us who have said from the beginning that the global warming
> hysteria was a total scam have been
... from the beginning, inhabitants of an alternate
reality which Copenhagen is about to bury even deeper
in the contents of your cat's litter box than ever before.
calvin
> As a Norwegian I should not argue about whether Republicans or Democrats
> rule in your Congress. But is was very annoying to us that global warming
> deniers in your country try to sabotage any progress on the issue. After
> all, the united states is not on a separate planet which it can destroy as
> it likes. If people like that get into power, we will suffer in our country.
Norway can always declare war on the United States.
> Therefore I hope that no party whether democrat or Republican that deny
> global warming get into power in your country. As it stands no(but that may
> change i hope) I am against Republicans winning the congress or any other
> election.
No one knows the future, but why worry? Our President is
on your side in this, and so it the Democrat-controlled
Congress. Think no evil until the time.
Anthony Buckland
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>I have a theory: those people who deny global warming are they the same who
>also deny evolution? I would not be surprised.
The Merck Manuals probably have, in their latest edition,
a category which totally welcomes both groups to the
world of the psychiatric patient community.
Irish Mike
> As a Norwegian I should not argue about whether Republicans or Democrats
> rule in your Congress. But is was very annoying to us that global warming
> deniers in your country try to sabotage any progress on the issue. After
> all, the united states is not on a separate planet which it can destroy as
> it likes.
The "sabotage" was done by the pro-global warming scientists at the
Climate Research Unit. They got caught manipulating and suppressing data
that clearly showed that there has been no increase in global
temperatures. In fact, the data really shows that global temperatures
have been declining.
I also find it very amusing that you have your knickers in a twist about
what America is doing. The fact you choose to ignore is that China, India
and many other developing countries have totally rejected the global
warming scam and refused to do any thing to curb their emissions. So
instead of worrying about American Republicans, why don't you guys from
Norway hold a big protest rally in China and demand that they immediately
reduce their emissions. I'll take the over & under bets on how long it
takes the Chinese to throw your global warming asses in prison.
michael
Kyoto treaty. Thank God he is gone now, and the rest of the world can move
on with Copenhagen. You are right about the Chinese, but they have started
to promise polution reductions also. It's a bit sad really that elements of
Republican party should be so opposed to things such as world peace and
saving the environment. I think Zwartzenegger is different, but he will be
gone soon because of the economic troubles in California, i guess. Also sad.
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Irish Mike
>" I remember how terrible things were under Bush when he refused to sign the
> Kyoto treaty. "
This treaty didn't mean jack shit and no one signed it or followed it.
"Thank God he is gone now, and the rest of the world can move
> on with Copenhagen."
Sorry to burst your balloon but no one, including Obama, is going to sign
the Copenhagen treaty or follow it.
"You are right about the Chinese, but they have started
> to promise polution reductions also."
Yes and God knows you trust any thing the Chinese tell you. Why don't you
pull your head out of the liberal kool aid bucket and do a reality check.
The Chinese are worried about one thing - growing their economy. They
could not care less about global warming and they have absolutely no
intention of curbing their emissions. They just tell your what you want
to hear and you liberals fall for it.
"It's a bit sad really that elements of
> Republican party should be so opposed to things such as world peace and
> saving the environment."
Typical global warming bullshit. If some one refuses to buy in to the
global warming scam you automatically label them as being against world
peace and saving the environment. Why don't you just say that if any one
does not buy in to the global warming scam they are against motherhood,
puppy dogs and apple pie?
"I think Zwartzenegger is different, but he will be
> gone soon because of the economic troubles in California, i guess. Also sad."
News flash bucko. Schwarzenegger is a Republican. Here's another fact
that will rock your little liberal world. Republicans are very much in
favor of world peace and a healthy environment. There are also some
Democrats who think global warming is a scam. Seriously, which lunatic
liberal left wing blog do you read to get your information about America?
Irish Mike
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michael
one of the few whith whom I can agree on certain issues. I hope there are
more like him.
You keep calling me a "liberal", which is wrong. I am a social democrat, the
largest party in Norway. Labour, they call it in Britain.
And I don't get my news from Limbaugh, Colter, blogs or the universally
discredited Fox news. I follow CNN, BBC, CBS, C-span, the washington post
and NY Times and the French newspaper Liberation. We do have the internet
and cabel-tv in norway also.
I am not the one who is quoting fringe sources, you are.
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Irish Mike
> I knew very well that Arnold was a republican. I was just saying that he is
> one of the few whith whom I can agree on certain issues. I hope there are
> more like him.
>
> You keep calling me a "liberal", which is wrong. I am a social democrat, the
> largest party in Norway. Labour, they call it in Britain.
>
> And I don't get my news from Limbaugh, Colter, blogs or the universally
> discredited Fox news. I follow CNN, BBC, CBS, C-span, the washington post
> and NY Times and the French newspaper Liberation. We do have the internet
> and cabel-tv in norway also.
>
> I am not the one who is quoting fringe sources, you are.
If you really want to know what is going on in America, watch "Your World
With Neil Cavuto:,
"The Factor" with Bill O'Reilly and "OnThe Record" with Greta Van Sustren.
They are all on Fox News, which happens to be the highest rated and most
watched cable news network in America. Fox News viewer ratings are
higher than CNN and MSNBC combined. Fox is also the only news network
that is not totally in the tank for Obama, which is why he literally
declared war on them.
Irish Mike
Obama has decided to send 40,000 additional troops to fight in the war
against Fox News.
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time, and with whom i disagree as much. On the other hand, perhaps i should
watch it, as you say, to know more about it. Unfortunately, the choice is
not mine. It is not in my cable channel package. I used to like TCM, then
they took that away. Every time I want to watch something, they seem to take
it away.
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trotsky
> I have a theory: those people who deny global warming are they the same
> who also deny evolution? I would not be surprised.
Some are against teaching evolution in schools. Some are also against
abortion but support the death penalty. Their positions tend to not be
very well thought out.
trotsky
When was exact day of the celebration, calvin?
trotsky
Excellent use of Faux News talking points.
trotsky
> I knew very well that Arnold was a republican. I was just saying that he
> is one of the few whith whom I can agree on certain issues. I hope there
> are more like him.
>
> You keep calling me a "liberal", which is wrong. I am a social democrat,
> the largest party in Norway. Labour, they call it in Britain.
>
> And I don't get my news from Limbaugh, Colter, blogs or the universally
> discredited Fox news. I follow CNN, BBC, CBS, C-span, the washington
> post and NY Times and the French newspaper Liberation. We do have the
> internet and cabel-tv in norway also.
>
> I am not the one who is quoting fringe sources, you are.
Actually, in the case of the "global warming data" he mentions he's not
quoting any sources, and is clearly lying.
moviePig
Hell, I didn't know we stopped looking. Where's my party hat?
calvin
Thanks for finally admitting to being a liberal.
Now -that's- something to celebrate.
moviePig
Did I? You seem to be misapplying some new realization that WMDs were
always about politics...
calvin
You're withdrawing your admission? Fine. It's not needed
anyway. Your posts over the years have proven beyond
doubt that you're not only liberal, but the most extreme
liberal regularly posting here.
trotsky
When will calvin take the lampshade off of his head?
Irish Mike
> I am not sure I will manage to watch a channel which lies about the news all
> time, and with whom i disagree as much.
My God, you remind me of a college freshman taking his first political
science class from a left wing professor. Fox News does not "lie about
the news all the time". That is just a silly, unfounded statement. Fox
News is the number one cable news network in America and has been for
years. They report stories that the Obama administration does not want
reported, and which the liberal media in America will not report. Two
recent examples are the Van Jones story and the ACORN scandal. Fox News
broke both stories - the liberal media only reluctantly reported them
because they were embarrassed that Fox News broke both stories.
On the other hand, perhaps i should
> watch it, as you say, to know more about it.
Yeah, you really should. I consider MSNBC to be nothing but a left wing
propaganda machine for liberal causes and the Obama administration. I
believe they manipulate and distort the news and delete any facts that do
not support their left wing positions. However, I still watch them on at
least a semi-regular basis to hear their version of news stories.
Unfortunately, the choice is
> not mine. It is not in my cable channel package. I used to like TCM, then
> they took that away. Every time I want to watch something, they seem to take
> it away.
Can't help your there bucko but I will tell you one thing. If you are not
watching Fox News you are not getting the true story of what is happening
in America or how the majority of Americans really feel about the issues.
It used to be that America had a strong independent free press that was
the "watch dog" of our society and our politicians. Sadly, that is no
longer the case. The main stream media has given Obama a complete free
pass since he first began his presidential campaign. Many, many reporters
and journalists are now admitting that this is true. Bernie Goldberg
documents it in his book "A Slobbering Love Affair". And Obama has proven
to be one of the most petty, petulant, thin-skinned and vindictive
presidents in American history. When Fox News dared to question his
disastrous economic policies, he literally declared war on them. No one
from his administration was allowed to appear on Fox News and he tried to
cut them out of the White-house "press pool" on a major interview with a
financial policy maker. To their credit, this was over the line even for
the liberal main stream media and they protested. Obama reluctantly
allowed Fox News back in to the press pool.
Irish Mike
OK folks, our phone lines are open and the tenth caller will win... The
Nobel Peace Prize!
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TBerk
> You're withdrawing your admission? Fine. It's not needed
> anyway. Your posts over the years have proven beyond
> doubt that you're not only liberal, but the most extreme
> liberal regularly posting here.
Aw, c'mon. Can Piggley actually be the Most Extreme Liberal posting
here?
Really?
So, 'the Day After Tomorrow' is starting to look less and less like a
fiction then, right?
berk
I keep telling folks the 'cold snap' they are experiencing is the cold
air from melted Polar Caps... heh.
calvin
> On Nov 27, 7:45 am, calvin <cri...@windstream.net> wrote:
> > You're withdrawing your admission? Fine. It's not needed
> > anyway. Your posts over the years have proven beyond
> > doubt that you're not only liberal, but the most extreme
> > liberal regularly posting here.
>
> Aw, c'mon. Can Piggley actually be the Most Extreme Liberal
> posting here?
Yep.
> Really?
Indubitably.
> So, 'the Day After Tomorrow' is starting to look less and less like a
> fiction then, right?
I don't see how that follows.
TBerk
> If you really want to know what is going on in America, watch "Your World
> With Neil Cavuto:,
> "The Factor" with Bill O'Reilly and "OnThe Record" with Greta Van Sustren.
> They are all on Fox News, which happens to be the highest rated and most
> watched cable news network in America. Fox News viewer ratings are
> higher than CNN and MSNBC combined. Fox is also the only news network
> that is not totally in the tank for Obama, which is why he literally
> declared war on them.
>
> Irish Mike
>
This is your opinion. And welcome to it. I have watched Fox News and
find it grating, inflammatory, and biased.
I have found 'the Other Guys' to not be Liberal so much as Corporate
in terms of deciding what news to run with and filling in with human
interest fluffy, warm fuzzy news.
Unless someone is holding your back it is very hard to expose
corruption; by default it usually has a large bank acount to hire
'representatives' that are known, rther unknown to visit as bumps in
the night. Think 'Whack a Mole'.
This whole Left/Right thing is mere symbolism.
Is anyone denying that Man, by his existence and actions, isn't
influencing the World in which he lives?
berk
calvin
> ...
> Is anyone denying that Man, by his existence and actions, isn't
> influencing the World in which he lives?
The so-called threat of man-made global warming,
whether true or not, if believed, becomes the greatest
political boon for the left in the history of the world.
Because of that there is no escape from politicizing
the issue, both from the left and from the right.
moviePig
Remember, this is Calvin-speak. He actually means "Most Extreme
Liberal" as the encrypted compliment: "Mel"...
Juan F. Lara
degenerate like Mike to try to associate himself with it. Mike seems to be
trying to replace Sinead O'Conner as Ireland's biggest embarrassment.
In article <ab94u6x...@recgroups.com>,
----- Mike <ad7...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>The "sabotage" was done by the pro-global warming scientists at the
>Climate Research Unit. They got caught manipulating and suppressing data
>that clearly showed that there has been no increase in global
>temperatures. In fact, the data really shows that global temperatures
>have been declining.
Can you actually point out the research that's allegedly doctored, AND
explain how that alone reverses everyone else's research? I don't think you
have a clue as to what you're talking about and are just parroting what other
people are telling you.
>I also find it very amusing that you have your knickers in a twist about
>what America is doing. The fact you choose to ignore is that China, India
>and many other developing countries have totally rejected the global
>warming scam and refused to do any thing to curb their emissions.
Who said he was ignoring China and India? Who was talking about them in
the first place? You're dodging the subject.
A bunch of idiots intercept someone's computer files and are stupid
enough to think they mean a lot more than they do. They already made this
movie. It was called "Burn After Reading".
- Juan F. Lara
Juan F. Lara
----- Mike <ad7...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>Can't help your there bucko but I will tell you one thing. If you are not
>watching Fox News you are not getting the true story of what is happening
>in America or how the majority of Americans really feel about the issues.
>It used to be that America had a strong independent free press that was
>the "watch dog" of our society and our politicians. Sadly, that is no
>longer the case. The main stream media has given Obama a complete free
>pass since he first began his presidential campaign.
The myth that a liberal media exists in the US is pure Goebbels
propaganda. That's the real scam that fascists like Mike have been peddling
to dupe idiots into believing the lies found on Fox News.
I was just reminded of Radio Rwanda. When charges of genocide and war
crimes were issued, Radio Rwanda was held responsible for spreading the
propaganda that facilitated the crimes. If the Bush administration's actions in
Iraq are ever prosecuted as war crimes, then I think there's justification in
holding Fox News guilty of war crimes as well, for spreading NeoCon propaganda
that facilitated the administration.
- Juan F. Lara
Juan F. Lara
----- Mike <ad7...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>My God, you remind me of a college freshman taking his first political
>science class from a left wing professor. Fox News does not "lie about
>the news all the time". That is just a silly, unfounded statement.
Dr. Josef Goebbels never told as Big a Lie as that in his whole career.
- Juan F. Lara
calvin
> The myth that a liberal media exists in the US is pure Goebbels
> propaganda. That's the real scam that fascists like Mike have been
> peddling to dupe idiots into believing the lies found on Fox News.
One doesn't have to 'believe' anything. Simply turn on a
TV and look and listen to NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC,
or pick up the New York Times or Washington Post or L.A.
Times or Newsweek or Time magazine, or ...
One doesn't need 'lies' or 'propaganda' when the truth about
the mainstream media is so accessible and pervasive.
Juan F. Lara
>One doesn't have to 'believe' anything. Simply turn on a
>TV and look and listen to NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC,
>or pick up the New York Times or Washington Post or L.A.
>Times or Newsweek or Time magazine, or ...
Yes, simply turn them on, and anyone who thinks thinks any of these is
liberal biased news is either batshit crazy or part of the Big Lie.
- Juan F. Lara
Irish Mike
Dodging the issue, trying to change the subject and resorting to person
attacks is standard operating procedure for the left wing global warming
loons. Lets keep focused on the point of this thread, before you tried to
change the topic and called me a Nazi. The Climate Research Unit (CRU) is
the Mecca of the global warming loons. The CRU scientists provide all of
the data that the global warming loons have been using to convince people
that global warming is the greatest threat facing mankind. Al Gore used
it to create his "hockey stick" graph that shows the cataclysmic result if
we don't spend hundreds of billion of dollars to fight off global warming.
Well a hacker, or hackers, got in to the CRU computer, pulled out hundreds
of E-mails written by the CRU scientists and published them on the
internet. (See "climate-gate" on you tube). These E-mails clearly show
that the CRU scientists have been manipulating, falsifying and suppressing
climate data for years. They tried to hide the fact that global
temperatures have not been increasing as claimed by the global warming
loons. In fact, just the opposite is true. Global temperatures have been
declineing for years. Now the CRU scientists are in a total panic and
trying to deny and spin the words in their own E-mails.
The CRU E-mails also expose how these scientists have been attacking,
smearing and trying to discredit any scientist who does not support the
global warming scam. The cold, freezing truth (pun intended) is that
global warming has been a bullshit scam from the beginning and now it has
finally been exposed for the fraud it is. The tragic thing is the tens of
billions of dollars that have been pissed away on the global warming scam,
when that money could have been spent on some of the real problems we face.
Irish Mike
Global warming is the biggest scam ever pulled on the American people. It
makes Bernard Madoff look like a crooked Girl Scout selling over priced
cookies.
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Irish Mike
> Ireland is a great country. It's a defamation of that country for a
> degenerate like Mike to try to associate himself with it. Mike seems to be
> trying to replace Sinead O'Conner as Ireland's biggest embarrassment.
The point of the thread is that a hacker, or hackers, broke in to the
compute used by the scientists at the Climate Research Unit CRU). They
published dozens of these E-mails on the internet and they show that the
CRU scientists have been manipulating, falsifying and suppressing global
climatic data for years. What was revealed in the E-mails is that global
temperatures are not increasing. In fact, just the opposite is true.
Global temperatures are actually declining. This of course represents a
fatal blow to the whole global warming scam. So the CRU scientists are in
full panic mode and desperate trying to deny and spin the words in their
own E-mails. Global warming loons like Juan F. Lara are trying to divert
attention from this revelation by changing the subject and launching
personal attacks against any one who dares to speak out about the scam. I
suggest you check "climate-gate" on the internet as well as you tube.
Irish Mike
Global warming is the biggest scam ever pulled on the American people. It
makes Bernard Madoff look like a crooked Girl Scout selling over priced
cookies.
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Irish Mike
> "Irish Mike" <ad7...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:spg3u6x...@recgroups.com...
> > Well those of us who have said from the beginning that the global warming
> > hysteria was a total scam have been
>
> .... from the beginning, inhabitants of an alternate
> reality which Copenhagen is about to bury even deeper
> in the contents of your cat's litter box than ever before.
The point of the thread is that a hacker, or hackers, broke in to the
compute used by the scientists at the Climate Research Unit CRU). They
published dozens of these E-mails on the internet and they show that the
CRU scientists have been manipulating, falsifying and suppressing global
climatic data for years. What was revealed in the E-mails is that global
temperatures are not increasing. In fact, just the opposite is true.
Global temperatures are actually declining. This of course represents a
fatal blow to the whole global warming scam. So the CRU scientists are in
full panic mode and desperate trying to deny and spin the words in their
own E-mails. Global warming loons like Anthony Buckland are trying to
divert attention from this revelation by changing the subject and
launching personal attacks against any one who dares to speak out about
the scam. I suggest you check "climate-gate" on the internet as well as
you tube.
Irish Mike
Global warming is the biggest scam ever pulled on the American people. It
makes Bernard Madoff look like a crooked Girl Scout selling over priced
cookies.
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calvin
> calvin wrote:
> >One doesn't have to 'believe' anything. Simply turn on a
> >TV and look and listen to NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC,
> >or pick up the New York Times or Washington Post or L.A.
> >Times or Newsweek or Time magazine, or ...
>
> Yes, simply turn them on, and anyone who thinks thinks any of these
> is liberal biased news is either batshit crazy or part of the Big Lie.
As I said, one doesn't need 'lies' or 'propaganda' when
the truth about the mainstream media is so accessible
and pervasive to anyone who merely looks and listens.
If you want to claim that conservatives are being misled
by lies and propaganda, you need to find something that
we don't see the truth for ourselves about every day.
moviePig
"The truth for ourselves". Very candid...
calvin
Anything to *seem* to discredit what I say. Typical for you.
Then read: "you need to find something that we don't
see for ourselves the truth about every day."
calvin
On second thought, maybe your comment was
meant to be lighthearted. Thus I apologize.
Thomas Hejl Pilgaard
dtv5u6x...@recgroups.com :
> On Nov 27 2009 1:15 AM, Anthony Buckland wrote:
>
>> "Irish Mike" <ad7...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:spg3u6x...@recgroups.com...
>>> Well those of us who have said from the beginning that the global
>>> warming hysteria was a total scam have been
>>
>> .... from the beginning, inhabitants of an alternate
>> reality which Copenhagen is about to bury even deeper
>> in the contents of your cat's litter box than ever before.
>
> The point of the thread is that a hacker, or hackers, broke in to the
> compute used by the scientists at the Climate Research Unit CRU).
> They published dozens of these E-mails on the internet and they show
> that the CRU scientists have been manipulating, falsifying and
> suppressing global climatic data for years.
Uhmm... Can you explain how the emails showed that?
Because I don't see it.
> What was revealed in the
> E-mails is that global temperatures are not increasing.
Long-time trends show that they are.
At the moment, the short-time trend is a stall in the rise,
just as we saw 1880 to 1910 and 1940 to 1949. Yet the overall
trend is a rise in temperatures.
And take a look at the ocean temperatures, why don't you?
They haven't stopped their skyrocketing trend, despite what
the global average of air temperatures are doing.
And what's up with the disappearing ice in both arctic areas?
And the glaciers around the world?
Head in the sand much?
Irish Mike
Last thing I saw on the glaciers was when the global warming loons had to
admit that they had "over looked" an ice flow the size of the state of
Texas. The global warming loons have lost all credibility with this
exposure of the data manipulation, falsification and suppression that they
have been doing for years. The sad thing is the billions of dollars we
have pissed away on this scam, that could have gone toward solving real
problems.
Head in the global warming kool aid bucket much?
Irish Mike
Global warming is the biggest scam ever pulled on the American people. It
makes Bernard Madoff look like a crooked Girl Scout selling over priced
cookies.
________________________________________________________________________�
trotsky
Poor Irish, he just doesn't know how not to sound stupid.
calvin
> Poor Irish, he just doesn't know how not to sound stupid.
That's something he can't learn from you.
trotsky
Do you have anything constructive to add, calvin?
Thomas Hejl Pilgaard
Way to spin "discovery" into a negative term.
You're one of the few people who would rather we'd stayed in the
dark, uninformed middle age, eh?
> The global warming loons have lost all credibility
> with this exposure of the data manipulation, falsification and
> suppression that they have been doing for years.
Again, where do you see anything in this email incident about
falsification and suppression? Please explain that.
Otherwise, it's clear that you haven't really read up on it,
but simply parrot the headlines of second rate sensationalist
garbage-journalism papers. Or conspiracy theory websites, more likely.
Irish Mike
This is a standard operating procedure of the global warming loons, and
was well documented in the published E-mails of the scientists at the
Climate Research Unit (CRU). When it was proven that you global warming
loons have been manipulating, falsifying and suppressing climate data for
years, you immediate try to change the subject by resorting to personal
attacks. Any one who doesn't buy in to the global warming scam wants to
"stay in the dark, uninformed middle ages". Sorry bucko, but that just
makes you sound more pathetic and desperate.
> > The global warming loons have lost all credibility
> > with this exposure of the data manipulation, falsification and
> > suppression that they have been doing for years.
>
> Again, where do you see anything in this email incident about
> falsification and suppression? Please explain that.
> Otherwise, it's clear that you haven't really read up on it,
> but simply parrot the headlines of second rate sensationalist
> garbage-journalism papers. Or conspiracy theory websites, more likely.
Yep, the CRU scientists get caught falsifying the climate data and
suddenly it's "garbage journalism" and the people who nailed them in these
lies are "second rate sensationalists".
Well, it's too late for that. The global warming scam has been exposed
and, btw, you can forget about America signing any treaty at your
Copenhagen pep rally.
Seriously bucko, you global warming loons are now a joke. Your poster
boy, ol' lard ass Al Gore, lives in a mansion, drives in a convoy or gas
guzzling SUVs and flies around in a private jet. And you gullible idiots
pay him hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to tell you to eat less,
live colder and ride bicycles to save the planet. And, why are you always
bitching about America while totally ignore China and India who refuse to
do any thing to curb emissions? Why don't you haul your self-righteous
ass over to China and demand that they pass a job-killing tax & cap energy
bill? I'll set up the over/under bet on how long it would take them to
throw you as sin a Chinese prison.
Irish Mike
Global warming is the biggest scam ever pulled on the American people. It
makes Bernard Madoff look like a crooked Girl Scout selling over priced
cookies.
-------�
Thomas Hejl Pilgaard
> planet. And, why are you always bitching about America while
> totally ignore China and India who refuse to do any thing to curb
> emissions? Why don't you haul your self-righteous ass over to China
> and demand that they pass a job-killing tax & cap energy bill? I'll
> set up the over/under bet on how long it would take them to throw
> you as sin a Chinese prison.
>
> Irish Mike
So, in other words, you can't answer the question.
You haven't got a clue how this incident has shown "suppression and
falsification", you're simply parroting that claim, even though it's
a lie.
Irish Mike
You might want to check out "climate-gate" on the internet and on you
tube. It's time to pull your head out of the liberal kool aid bucket and
do a reality check. The global warming scam is dead and your own CRU
scientists drove a stake through it's vile, blood sucking heart. Global
freezing hysteria, Y2K hysteria and global warming hysteria R.I.P. In
case you haven't noticed, the world economy is teetering on the edge of
the abyss and America is not going to piss away any more money on the
global warming scam.
Thomas Hejl Pilgaard
I have.
You haven't.
You apprantly have only read certain cherry-picked headlines.
Irish Mike
The global warming scam is dead. Finished, over and done. You're just
re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
Irish Mike
Global warming is the biggest scam ever pulled on the American people. It
makes Bernard Madoff look like a crooked Girl Scout selling over priced
cookies.
____________________________________________________________________�
Thomas Hejl Pilgaard
So you keep saying.
But since you are completely unable to substantiate that claim, despite
several encouragements to do so, it is impossible to take it seriously.
Indeed, it is not reality at all.
calvin
wrote:
> Irish Mike <ad7c...@webnntp.invalid> declared:
>
> > The global warming scam is dead. Finished, over and done. You're
> > just re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
>
> So you keep saying.
>
> But since you are completely unable to substantiate that claim, despite
> several encouragements to do so, it is impossible to take it seriously.
> Indeed, it is not reality at all.
Go to the Drudge Report at
and look at the articles on the subject. Look
over the whole page because they're not all in
the same area. I'm not saying that global
warming concerns are over, but this is not a
small scandal with ripples. It is becoming an
earthquake with tidal waves.
Irish Mike
Give it up bucko. The global warming scam has been exposed. Scientists
are denouncing it all over television, radio and the internet. The head
global warming loon at the Climate Research Unit has been forced to step
down. Your big global warming pep rally and propaganda-fest in Copenhagen
is dead on arrival. Obama is going to stop in and make an appearance at
the beginning but he is not staying for the conference and he is not going
to sign the treaty. China and India are not going to sign it either. In
addition, the Senate has said that Obama's idiotic, job-killing tax & cap
energy bill is also dead. There is no way it will even come up for a vote
in the Senate. The global warming scam is dead and your own CRU
scientists were the ones who killed it. Well to be more exact, the
hackers who exposed their E-mails killed it. BTW, these hackers are the
ones that should be getting the Nobel Peace Prize.
Irish Mike
Global warming is the biggest scam ever pulled on the American people. It
makes Bernard Madoff look like a crooked Girl Scout selling over priced
cookies.
-------�
Juan F. Lara
----- Mike <ad7...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>On Nov 30 2009 2:13 PM, Thomas Hejl Pilgaard wrote:
>> So, in other words, you can't answer the question.
>> You haven't got a clue how this incident has shown "suppression and
>> falsification", you're simply parroting that claim, even though it's
>> a lie.
>
>You might want to check out "climate-gate" on the internet and on you
>tube.
That's the best you can do? Both Pilgaard and I demand that you actually
show the e-mails and explain how they can discredit the entirity of global
warming research, and the best you can do is, "go look it up in the Internet."
We're not doing your homework. YOU show us what the scame is, and
EXPLAIN it to prove that you can actually think for yourself. It seems to us
that you can't, and so all you're capable of is parrotting global warming
denier propaganda you're too stupid to understand. This is current-films;
Mike is exactly the same as the idiots Frances MacDormand and Brad Pitt played
in "Burn After Reading".
- Juan F. Lara
Juan F. Lara
Yeah, go to the Drudge Report. I might as well go to the Protocols of
Zion to learn about Judaism as well....
- Juan F. Lara
Juan F. Lara
----- Mike <ad7...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> Dodging the issue, trying to change the subject and resorting to person
> attacks is standard operating procedure for the left wing global warming
> loons.
Actually, you yourself had changed the issue, from your global warming
conspiracy BS to your insane claim of the existance of a liberal media in the
U.S., and the more insane claim that Fox News tells the truth. So in this
reply, YOU were the one dodging the issue.
- Juan F. Lara
calvin
> calvin <cri...@windstream.net> wrote:
> >Go to the Drudge Report at
> >http://www.drudgereport.com/
> Yeah, go to the Drudge Report. I might as well go to the Protocols of
> Zion to learn about Judaism as well....
It's no one's job to repeat the news to you. We point
you to it, and you can look if you like.
moviePig
Umm... I think he wasn't too lazy to follow a link, but rather wanted
a biohazard suit before following that one...
Irish Mike
The global warming scam is a conspiracy and it was exposed and proven by
the publication of hundreds of E-mails written by the Climate Research
Unit's (CRU) scientists. Phil Jones, head of the CRU, was forced to step
down, the U.S. Senate is calling for a full investigation and Obama is not
going to sign any treaty at the Copenhagen global warming pep rally.
Global freezing hysteria, Y2K hysteria, global warming hysteria R.I.P.
Irish Mike
Global warming is the biggest scam ever pulled on the American people. It
makes Bernard Madoff look like a crooked Girl Scout selling over priced
cookies.
_____________________________________________________________________�
Irish Mike
> In article <in9eu6x...@recgroups.com>,
> ----- Mike <ad7...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> >On Nov 30 2009 2:13 PM, Thomas Hejl Pilgaard wrote:
> >> So, in other words, you can't answer the question.
> >> You haven't got a clue how this incident has shown "suppression and
> >> falsification", you're simply parroting that claim, even though it's
> >> a lie.
> >
> >You might want to check out "climate-gate" on the internet and on you
> >tube.
>
> That's the best you can do? Both Pilgaard and I demand that you
actually
> show the e-mails and explain how they can discredit the entirity of global
> warming research, and the best you can do is, "go look it up in the
Internet."
It is one the internet. It is on you tube. it was televised during the
senate hearings and it was televised on several cable news networks. It's
not our problem is you're too stupid to click a mouse or operate a
television.
Global freezing hysteria, Y2K hysteria, global warming hysteria R.I.P.
Irish Mike
calvin
> On Dec 3, 5:33 pm, calvin <cri...@windstream.net> wrote:
> > On Dec 3, 2:46 pm, lj...@ces.clemson.edu (Juan F. Lara) wrote:
> > > calvin <cri...@windstream.net> wrote:
> > > >Go to the Drudge Report at
> > > >http://www.drudgereport.com/
> > > Yeah, go to the Drudge Report. I might as well go to the
> > > Protocols of Zion to learn about Judaism as well....
>
> > It's no one's job to repeat the news to you. We point
> > you to it, and you can look if you like.
>
> Umm... I think he wasn't too lazy to follow a link, but rather wanted
> a biohazard suit before following that one...
Here's something for you also to refuse to read,
Ann Coulter's article on the subject (part of the
article, that is, the remainder of which can be read
at the link given at the end):
DO SMOKING GUNS CAUSE GLOBAL WARMING, TOO?
by Ann Coulter, December 2, 2009
As we now know (and by "we" I mean "everyone with
access to the Internet"), the University of East
Anglia's Climatic Research Unit (CRU) has just
been caught ferociously manipulating the data
about the Earth's temperature.
Recently leaked e-mails from the "scientists" at
CRU show that, when talking among themselves,
they forthrightly admit to using a "trick" to
"hide the decline" in the Earth's temperature
since 1960 -- as one e-mail says. Still another
describes their manipulation of the data thus:
"[W]e can have a proper result, but only by
including a load of garbage!"
Am I just crazy from the heat or were they
trying to deceive us?
Global warming cheerleaders in the media were
quick to defend the scandalous e-mails, explaining
that, among scientists, the words "trick," "hide
the decline" and "garbage" do not mean "trick,"
"hide the decline" and "garbage." These words
actually mean "onion soup," "sexual submissive"
and "Gary, Ind."
(Boy, it must be great to be able to redefine
words right in the middle of a debate.)
Also, of course, the defenders said that the words
needed to be placed "in context" -- the words'
check was in the mail, and they'd like to spend
more time with their families.
I have placed the words in context and it turns
out what they mean is: gigantic academic fraud.
The leaked e-mail exchanges also show the vaunted
"scientists" engaging in a possibly criminal effort
to delete their own smoking-gun e-mails in response
to a Freedom of Information request. Next, the
fanatics will be telling us that "among scientists,"
this behavior does not indicate knowledge of guilt.
If I recall correctly, their next move should be to
fire the special prosecutor late Saturday night.
These e-mails aren't a tempest in a teapot. They
are evidence of pervasive fraud by a massively
influential institution that has dominated news
coverage of global warming.
CRU was regularly cited as the leading authority on
"global climate analysis" -- including by the very
news outlets that are burying the current scandal,
such as The New York Times and The Washington Post.
The CRU alone received more than $23 million in
taxpayer funds for its work on global warming.
Having claimed to have collected the most complete
data on the Earth's temperature for the last half
century, the CRU's summary of that data was used
by the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on
Climate Change for its 2007 report demanding that
we adopt a few modest lifestyle changes, such as
abolishing modern technology, reverting to hunter/
gatherer status and taxing ourselves into servitude.
But then last weekend -- in the middle of the
"Let's Cook the Books!" e-mail scandal -- the CRU
said that all its data on the Earth's temperature
since 1960 had been irretrievably "lost." (Although
I suspect "overcooked" might be a more apt term.)
The way this episode is unfolding, the
environmentalists may be forced to drop their
phantom threat of global warming and go back to
the phantom threat of global cooling.
Most disturbingly, the CRU-affiliated "scientists"
were caught red-handed conspiring to kill the
careers and reputations of scientists who
dissented from the religion of global warming.
Indignant that scientific journals were publishing
papers skeptical of global warming, the cult
members plotted to get editors ousted and the
publications discredited.
This sabotage of global warming dissenters may be
more galling than their manipulation of the data.
Until now, the global warming cult's sole argument
has been to demand that everyone shut up in response
to the "scientific consensus" that human activity
was causing global warming.
That's their idea of a free and open debate.
It's always the same thing with primitive people --
voodoo practitioners, rain dancers and liberals.
In lieu of facts, debate and a weighing of the
evidence, religious fanatics respond to all
counterarguments by invoking a higher authority:
the witch doctor, a "scientific consensus," "the
Constitution" or "historians are agreed."
Liberals won't tell us why Congress passed a law
outlawing incandescent lightbulbs by 2014 -- a
bill solemnly delivered to the president in a Prius
hybrid (making it the slowest-moving bill in U.S.
history). Instead, they tell us there's a
"scientific consensus" that we have to use
fluorescent lightbulbs or we'll all die.
-continued at the link:
moviePig
I read as far the well-known "trick" quote ...which has always been
merely a red flag to incite the stupid. Pssst... time to retire that
one-trick pony...
calvin
> I read as far the well-known "trick" quote ...which has always been
> merely a red flag to incite the stupid. Pssst... time to retire that
> one-trick pony...
So you read the first two sentences, which I
left quoted above.
As far as I know, the 'trick' quote is true, so
I don't know why it shouldn't interest intelligent
people like you, as well as incite the stupid
people like me. But there's much more to what
was revealed by the e-mails than that.
However, it is the Coulter commentary, not her
repetition of the revelations, that caused me to
post her article here.
Well, at least you will be able to hear or read Keith
Olbermann's commentary, as soon as he gets
around to mentioning that the scandal ever happened.
There's so much Sarah Palin stuff that he has to
deal with every night that he just can't find the time
to work this in, apparently.
calvin
> merely a red flag to incite the stupid. Pssst... time to retire that
> one-trick pony...
There's no 'one-trick pony' here because the 'trick' was
only one of a number of revelations.
Thomas Hejl Pilgaard
> The global warming scam has been exposed.
Explain how, or give up the claim.
> Scientists are denouncing it all over television, radio and the
> internet.
Not really, no.
> The head global warming loon at the Climate Research Unit
> has been forced to step down.
Prove that he was forced.
He stepped aside on his own, and only temporarily so.
> Your big global warming pep rally and
> propaganda-fest in Copenhagen is dead on arrival.
It does indeed appear that it will not become as rewarding as one
could have hoped, but it remains an essential step in the right
direction.
> Obama is going to stop in and make an appearance at the beginning but
> he is not staying for the conference and he is not going to sign the
> treaty.
Which is regrettable.
> China and India are not going to sign it either. In addition, the
> Senate has said that Obama's idiotic, job-killing tax & cap energy
> bill is also dead.
Really?
And how is it job-killing to create an entirely new industry?
> There is no way it will even come up for a vote in the Senate.
We'll see.
> The global warming scam is dead and your own CRU scientists were the
> ones who killed it.
Only in your head.
People who have actually looked into things, disagree.
> Well to be more exact, the hackers who exposed
> their E-mails killed it. BTW, these hackers are the ones that should
> be getting the Nobel Peace Prize.
For what? Proving that scientists are human beings?
Newton may have been an ass, but that doesn't mean that gravity
doesn't exist.
You still haven't showed anything about "suppression and
falsification". - I guess it's all in your head.
Try to put it down in words before you make another empty reply.
moviePig
You're right... it's a *no*-trick pony. The word "trick" occurs in a
context that even a soccer mom will grasp if she stops to think ...so,
it's hard to imagine, e.g., any engineer getting vapors over it.
(Iirc, Godel proved his famous theorem using the "trick" of a Cantor
diagonal.) Somewhere I'd gotten the notion that, whatever else,
Coulter had some shred of brains and honesty. I wonder which one bit
the dust...
calvin
Maybe it's you who has shed brains or honesty.
The first and only time I read about the 'trick' in
question, it looked like fudging data to me. I'll go
back again and check sources, but no time to
do it at the moment.
In any case, you're just looking to discredit Coulter.
'Seek and you will find.'
moviePig
Who can (or dare) say? But I *am* sure that I started reading with
hopes of finding her view worth my time ...and was repelled by how
quickly they were dashed.
calvin
If you knew nothing of Coulter, then your reaction
might make sense, if she was dumb or dishonest
in what she said. But since you are familiar with
her, your screeching halt does not make sense.
In any case, it's your loss.
I've never looked into Godel's proofs, but I do know
Cantor's (diagonal) proof of the uncountability
of the reals. Though brilliant, it's short and easy to
follow and remember.
calvin
> The first and only time I read about the 'trick' in
> question, it looked like fudging data to me. I'll go
> back again and check sources, but no time to
> do it at the moment.
This is from the first article that I saw on the subject:
"I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in
the real temps to each series for the last 20 years
(ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith’s
to hide the decline."
I'm looking for more context, but I don't need to be
as intelligent as you to see the fudging of data that
appears to be revealed here, along with the motive.
I will continue to look for more context, but if this
is all that you are using to discredit Ann Coulter,
then shame on you.
calvin
Now I'm beginning to see what you're on about. You
think the word 'trick' is what "incites the stupid". Not
me, though. In college my math teachers used the
word often, with no negative connotation attached.
In fact, cleverness was the impression most often
conveyed. In what I quoted above, substitute the word,
'method' in place of 'trick', and the revelatory meaning
is not changed.
The New York Times article (link below) seems to
provide some context, but it quotes only the one word,
'trick' from the one-sentence revelation that I quoted
above. The Times obviously is covering up, not
clarifying, by not saying specifically what it is they are
trying to clarify.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html?_r=1
calvin
> On 2009-12-04, Thomas Hejl Pilgaard <t.pilga...@adslhome.dk.dk> wrote:
>
> > Explain how, or give up the claim.
>
>
> I for one refuse to change a single aspect of my lifestyle for the
> global warming hucksters.
>
> I will not use CFL or LED light bulbs. I will not replace my appliances
> with "energy-efficient" equivalents. I will not wash clothes in cold
> water. I will not drive a hybrid or electric car. I am unwilling to
> lift a finger for you scumbags. (Except possibly the middle one, of course.)
>
> I can assure you I am not alone in this. I will continue to seek ways to
> *increase* my personal carbon footprint as a personal "fuck you" to
> the environmentalists and "progressives" pushing this crap.
>
> Fuck you.
Eloquently spoken.
moviePig
I'd read the Times article a while back, and still find it relatively
levelheaded. (Good you resist incitement by the word "trick"... but
is that what Ann would want?)
moviePig
> On 2009-12-04, Thomas Hejl Pilgaard <t.pilga...@adslhome.dk.dk> wrote:
>
>
>
> I for one refuse to change a single aspect of my lifestyle for the
> global warming hucksters.
>
> I will not use CFL or LED light bulbs. I will not replace my appliances
> with "energy-efficient" equivalents. I will not wash clothes in cold
> water. I will not drive a hybrid or electric car. I am unwilling to
> lift a finger for you scumbags. (Except possibly the middle one, of course.)
>
> I can assure you I am not alone in this. I will continue to seek ways to
> *increase* my personal carbon footprint as a personal "fuck you" to
> the environmentalists and "progressives" pushing this crap.
>
> Fuck you.
Why not smoke unfiltered Gauloises as you jog through Tokyo or L.A. at
rush hour?
Juan F. Lara
Roger Blake <rogb...@iname.invalid> wrote:
>I can assure you I am not alone in this. I will continue to seek ways to
>*increase* my personal carbon footprint as a personal "fuck you" to
>the environmentalists and "progressives" pushing this crap.
>
>Fuck you.
being an asshole....
- Juan F. Lara
calvin
> In article <slrnhhjj8a.aiv.rogbl...@svalbard.freeshell.org>,
> Roger Blake <rogbl...@iname.invalid> wrote:
>
> >I can assure you I am not alone in this. I will continue to seek ways to
> >*increase* my personal carbon footprint as a personal "fuck you" to
> >the environmentalists and "progressives" pushing this crap.
>
> >Fuck you.
>
> Fine for you if you feel that the most basic part of your identity is
> being an asshole....
Some people resent being pushed around by ignorant
arrogant liberals so much that they become irrational
about it. It's quite understandable.
calvin
> being an asshole....
That would seem to fit the three mainstream networks,
ABC, CBS, and NBC, all of which have so far neglected
to report on this story:
tomcervo
We've noticed.
tomcervo
Probably has something to do with the "scandal" being something ginned
up by ExxonMobil's flacks.
http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-vine/another-round-the-cru-e-mails
Another Round With The CRU E-mails...
Bradford Plumer
A few more things to say about those hacked e-mails from the
University of East Anglia. First, the latest news: It looks like the
head of the university's Climate Research Unit (CRU), Phil Jones, is
stepping aside temporarily while the entire matter comes under
independent review. Seems fair. As I noted in my last post, some of
Jones's e-mails sounded awfully unprofessional, especially the ones
where he told other researchers to delete their e-mail correspondence.
(They didn't, but still.) Penn State is also investigating.
Now, that said, the growing mantra among conservatives that these e-
mails somehow discredit the entire body of climate science is getting
overheated and absurd. Here's the New York Post complaining that,
because CRU discarded one set of raw surface temperature data back in
the 1980s (they still have the processed data on file, and the raw
data still exists at the original weather stations, although it'd be a
pain to collect again), the whole idea of man-made warming is
therefore thrown into doubt.
But that second part doesn't follow. For one, CRU isn't the only group
in the world tracking global temperature trends. As Michael
Schlesinger, a climatologist at the University of Illinois, points
out, there are at least three other groups, including NASA, NOAA, and
the Japan Meteorological Agency, that have been analyzing surface
temperature data for well over a century (there's a fair bit of
overlap in what raw data they use, but they all have their own ways of
analyzing it).
All very similar, all showing the same clear upward trend. (If
anything, note that CRU readings have been on the low side in recent
years, largely because they don't include temps from the Arctic, where
the Earth is warming most rapidly.) I suppose the Post could always
argue that all these agencies are in cahoots, somehow coordinating
fraud so as to fabricate global warming and achieve whatever dastardly
ends they're trying to achieve.
Meanwhile, there have been plenty of allegations that climate
scientists were engaged in statistical chicanery to manufacture the
famous "hockey stick", which reconstructs global temperatures going
back 1,000 years and shows that the rate of twentieth-century warming
has been unprecedented. Many of the latest accusations, from what I've
seen, are based on CRU e-mails quoted out of context—see here, here,
or here for some rebuttals.
But set that aside for a sec: I've never understood the obsession with
the hockey stick. The argument that greenhouse gases are warming the
Earth doesn't even depend on it. As Potsdam oceanographer Stefan
Rahmstorf explains, that case was built on a variety of attribution
studies that look at recent temperature trends and sift through
different possible culprits, such as CO2 or solar variations or
volcanoes. What's more, if by some chance all those studies turned out
to be flawed, we'd still be left with the basic fact—rooted in
nineteenth-century physics—that more CO2 in the air will change the
radiation balance of the earth, combined with climate-sensitivity
studies that look at what previous CO2 increases have done to the
Earth's equilibrium temperature. The main debate, at this point, is
how strong that warming effect will be. The best historical evidence
suggests it's unlikely that a doubling of atmospheric CO2 will lead to
an increase of less than 2ºC, while recent observations have suggested
that the IPCC may have understated the pace of warming (Arctic ice
melting faster than expected, and so on).
In any case, to echo my original post, yes, climate scientists should
take pains to be as transparent as possible, and some of the CRU e-
mails cut against that. That needs to be remedied. Georgia Tech's
Judith Curry also has a sharp take, noting that good-faith engagement
with skeptics can be a positive thing. But there's no evidence that
climate data has been fudged, and even if there was a smoking gun in
the CRU e-mails, the basis for what we know about man-made climate
change still comes from a vast array of sources—sadly, it doesn't
hinge on this particular handful of scientists.* I realize the
National Review editors are excited about this story and want to lash
out and scream "LIAR!!!!!" but a little skepticism on their part might
not be so bad.
*I say "sadly" because, frankly, I'd much prefer if global warming was
fake. It's not a terribly fun issue to cover and gets a bit gloomy
after awhile. Just sayin'...
calvin
> On Dec 5, 12:27 am, calvin <cri...@windstream.net> wrote:
> > On Dec 4, 11:01 pm, lj...@ces.clemson.edu (Juan F. Lara) wrote:
> > > Fine for you if you feel that the most basic part of your identity is
> > > being an asshole....
>
> > That would seem to fit the three mainstream networks,
> > ABC, CBS, and NBC, all of which have so far neglected
> > to report on this story:
>
> >http://mrc.org/press/releases/2009/20091204124643.aspx
>
> Probably has something to do with the "scandal" being something ginned
> up by ExxonMobil's flacks.
>
> http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-vine/another-round-the-cru-e-mails
At the very least, the current scandal will make impotent
the liberals' squeaking that global warming is 'settled science'.
Liberals overreached by trying to close the debate, and now
that has backfired.
moviePig
...which was indeed always the scandal's purpose. But, people's
imagining science to be somehow involved is the only thing that's
'unsettling'...
tomcervo
All you need to do now is explain something that you obviously didn't
read:
"As Michael Schlesinger, a climatologist at the University of
Illinois, points
out, there are at least three other groups, including NASA, NOAA, and
the Japan Meteorological Agency, that have been analyzing surface
temperature data for well over a century (there's a fair bit of
overlap in what raw data they use, but they all have their own ways of
analyzing it).
All very similar, all showing the same clear upward trend. (If
anything, note that CRU readings have been on the low side in recent
years, largely because they don't include temps from the Arctic, where
the Earth is warming most rapidly.) I suppose the Post could always
argue that all these agencies are in cahoots, somehow coordinating
fraud so as to fabricate global warming and achieve whatever dastardly
ends they're trying to achieve."
So what's the explanation--other than the usual right wing "orders
from the Bolshevik Yegg Central?"
calvin
'Scientists' were involved, not science. So-called scientists
from whom the U.N. was getting so-called scientific findings
and corrupted recommendations with which to further its
global warming agenda on a world-wide basis.
calvin
One doesn't have to know all about global warming,
pro or con, to be revolted by the actions of a group
of highly placed scientists, in positions of influence
on the U.N.'s world-wide policy. That's what needs
investigation at the moment.
calvin
> > Liberals overreached by trying to close the debate, and now
> > that has backfired.
>
The libs were too busy fact-checking the Sarah Palin
book, hoping not to find any errors of course.
moviePig
Witch hunt!!! I'll bring marshmallows! (But, remind Ann Coulter to
put an 'X' on her door...)
tomcervo
So-called scientists? Please, let us know who has faked their
credentials and who hasn't. I know there are some so-called scientists
who are in fact little more than TV weathermen with a ferw courses in
meteorology, but they're the ones on the denial side.
A list please, of the frauds in NASA and NOAA.
I know you wouldn't make such a grave charge without solid facts in
evidence to back it up.
trotsky
When will you tell us about reading the piece of shit?
moviePig
Sarah says the best reason not to burn her book is it'd increase
global-warming...