Spielberg's greed knows no bounds

[RichA]

zapUniversal Pictures announced Friday that dinosaurs will be unleashed on
the world once again, when "Jurassic Park 4" comes to theaters June 13,
2014. Deadline reports Steven Spielberg will make his return to the
franchise as producer, after directing the first two installments.

The film, to be shot in 3D, will be the first film in the JP franchise since
"Jurassic Park 3" was released in 2001. To get fans ready, the original
"Jurassic Park" will be re-released in theaters with a 3D conversion on
April 5 to mark it's 20th anniversary.

Spielberg, whose latest film "Lincoln" is nominated for 12 Academy Awards,
was expected to direct "Robopocalypse" next, before putting that project on
hold this week. A director is not attached to "Jurassic Park 4" yet, and
there is no work on who will be writing the script.2it.com




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[calvin]

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JP3 had one beautiful scene, visually and musically, of
herbivorous dinosaurs near the river bank, as seen from
a boat, but not much else except state-of-the-art dinosaur
work. I hope JP4 has a better writer.

I don't think making a 4th movie is a bad idea, but 3D-izing
the original is a very bad idea, IMO. I saw a 3D preview of it
at The Hobbit showing.

[RichA]

"calvin" <cri...@windstream.net> wrote in message
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I just hope that the plot for #4 isn't a rehash and has something
interesting about it.



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[moviePig]

On Jan 12, 8:52 am, "RichA" <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:

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Greed? ...Spielberg hires people to shovel money off him. Meanwhile,
this new movie will be a shallow, thoroughly delightful blockbuster
that you'll watch at least twice. (I hope it's in hfr.) Spielberg
will pat himself on the back ...and so will I.

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[BTR1701]

In article
<c6c531d6-0463-4a1f...@k6g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>,

calvin <cri...@windstream.net> wrote:

> JP3 had one beautiful scene, visually and musically, of
> herbivorous dinosaurs near the river bank, as seen from
> a boat

Interesting that from a musical standpoint, the one scene you thought
stood out was the one scene where the composer, Don Davis, used John
Williams' music from the first film.

[moviePig]

On Jan 12, 1:21 pm, BTR1701 <atro...@mac.com> wrote:
> In article
> <c6c531d6-0463-4a1f-b1c1-9ef344e1c...@k6g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>,

For those to whom it's new, this'll be the coolest music they'll hear
today:

http://tinyurl.com/49m8n7n

( http://www.geek.com/articles/geek-cetera/jurassic-park-theme-slowed-down-1000-times-sounds-absolutely-awesome-20110117/
)

[calvin]

On Jan 12, 1:21 pm, BTR1701 <atro...@mac.com> wrote:

>  calvin <cri...@windstream.net> wrote:
> > JP3 had one beautiful scene, visually and musically, of
> > herbivorous dinosaurs near the river bank, as seen from
> > a boat
>
> Interesting that from a musical standpoint, the one scene you thought
> stood out was the one scene where the composer, Don Davis, used John
> Williams' music from the first film.

I know, and that's what made the scene so memorable.
It may be the only time before the end credits that he used
that particular Williams theme, but he used the other
prominent (fanfare) type of theme early in the movie when
the people on the plane approached the island, the same
theme used for the helicopter approach in JP1.

The riverbank scene in JP3 is of course the same theme used
for the first encounter with the herbivorous dinosaurs in the
first movie, which I believe reflected Spielberg's enchantment
with dinosaurs, pastoral in nature, before the frightening stuff
takes over.

Oddly enough, I first heard the pastoral theme at college
football games, played by the band, and loved it, but
didn't know what it was until I saw Jurassic Park many
months after it first came out, recognized the music, and
was blown away by it.

[trotsky]

On 1/12/13 8:22 AM, calvin wrote:
> On Jan 12, 8:52 am, "RichA" <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> zapUniversal Pictures announced Friday that dinosaurs will be unleashed on
>> the world once again, when "Jurassic Park 4" comes to theaters June 13,
>> 2014. Deadline reports Steven Spielberg will make his return to the
>> franchise as producer, after directing the first two installments.
>>
>> The film, to be shot in 3D, will be the first film in the JP franchise since
>> "Jurassic Park 3" was released in 2001. To get fans ready, the original
>> "Jurassic Park" will be re-released in theaters with a 3D conversion on
>> April 5 to mark it's 20th anniversary.
>>
>> Spielberg, whose latest film "Lincoln" is nominated for 12 Academy Awards,
>> was expected to direct "Robopocalypse" next, before putting that project on
>> hold this week. A director is not attached to "Jurassic Park 4" yet, and
>> there is no work on who will be writing the script.2it.com
>>
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>
> JP3 had one beautiful scene,

Wouldn't it be more relevant if it was a Spielberg movie?

[calvin]

On Jan 12, 3:25 pm, trotsky <gmsi...@email.com> wrote:
> On 1/12/13 8:22 AM, calvin wrote:
> > On Jan 12, 8:52 am, "RichA" <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >> zapUniversal Pictures announced Friday that dinosaurs will be unleashed on
> >> the world once again, when "Jurassic Park 4" comes to theaters June 13,
> >> 2014. Deadline reports Steven Spielberg will make his return to the
> >> franchise as producer, after directing the first two installments.
>
> >> The film, to be shot in 3D, will be the first film in the JP franchise since
> >> "Jurassic Park 3" was released in 2001. To get fans ready, the original
> >> "Jurassic Park" will be re-released in theaters with a 3D conversion on
> >> April 5 to mark it's 20th anniversary.
>
> >> Spielberg, whose latest film "Lincoln" is nominated for 12 Academy Awards,
> >> was expected to direct "Robopocalypse" next, before putting that project on
> >> hold this week. A director is not attached to "Jurassic Park 4" yet, and
> >> there is no work on who will be writing the script.2it.com
>

> > JP3 had one beautiful scene,
>
> Wouldn't it be more relevant if it was a Spielberg movie?

What part of "A director is not attached to "Jurassic Park 4" yet,"
did you not understand?

[bermuda999]

On Saturday, January 12, 2013 3:02:34 PM UTC-5, calvin wrote:
> I know, and that's what made the scene so memorable.
> It may be the only time before the end credits that he used
> that particular Williams theme, but he used the other
> prominent (fanfare) type of theme early in the movie when
> the people on the plane approached the island, the same
> theme used for the helicopter approach in JP1.

You mean the main "See the U.S.A. in a Chevrolet" theme?

[calvin]

Yes, the Dinah Shore version.

[nick]

I've never seen Jurassic Park in a theater to begin with, so whether I
see it 3D-ized or standard 2D, I'll probably check out the re-
release.

I've never seen JP3 either but I liked The Lost World, which most
people didn't, because it was a goofy Saturday morning cliffhanger-ish
thing. I saw The Lost World in the theater and remember thinking as I
watched it that as visually dazzling as it was (and, along with
Starship Troopers from around the same time) the best CGI effect work,
the peak of that era, that the audience was responding most positively
to Jeff Goldblum's humor, which were probably ad-libs and something
Spielberg was getting for free.

[calvin]

My repeated watching of 'The Lost World' has always been
for Goldblum's remarks. I hadn't heard that he might have
been ad-libbing, which makes it even better. I think Goldblum
may be unappreciated. I watched the once highly regarded
'The Big Chill' on DVD a few years ago, and the only thing
good about it the second time around was Goldblum.

[calvin]

On Jan 13, 8:26 am, nick <leftbehindbythetalk...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've never seen Jurassic Park in a theater to begin with, so whether I
> see it 3D-ized or standard 2D, I'll probably check out the re-
> release.

Which brings up a question. When a 3D-ized movie is
shown in a theater, in both 3D and 2D, is the 2D version
just the left-eye or right-eye frames of the 3D-ized version,
or is it the original 2D version with perhaps sound enhanced
and visual restoration? I would hope for the latter, but that
probably would be naive.

[moviePig]

Actually, best results obtain from *alternating* the left- and right-
eye frames:

http://www.adorama.com/alc/files/a51a2b8d6874bfffd87aa4c629f97f84.gif

[Obveeus]

Serious question: if the 2D version was created by alternating the left and
right eye frames, it would then be perfect for hfr projection, right?

[calvin]

That's lovely. It doesn't answer my question, but I
sure am glad to see it; and note that the 3D effect
you get with that is better with one eye closed.
One-eyed 3D, who'd a thunk?

[moviePig]

I'm not aware of any technical subtleties to your question. I assume
that, if the movie's 3D is post-converted, then 2D viewers get the
pre- version ...whereas shot-in-3D movies merely choose either eye,
arbitrarily.

[moviePig]

On Jan 13, 12:11 pm, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:

Well, the 3D effect in the .gif, afaics, depends on fooling the eye
into believing we're wiggling from side to side, so that our depth
perception via "perspective shift" is invoked. But if the wiggle is
too fast, then there's not time for us to imagine the wiggle ...and
we'll see merely a double-exposed (though perhaps shimmery) 2D image.

[nick]

On Jan 13, 10:29 am, calvin <cri...@windstream.net> wrote:

I would guess the latter but I don't know. The only 2 3D converted
non-animation re-releases I can think of off the top of my head are
The Phantom Menace and Titanic and I didn't have much desire to see
either one at the theater again, 3D or flat. While critics
(deservedly) are panning Texas Chainsaw 3D (which I saw flat because
of a showtime scheduling glitch) it opens with a converted 3D collage
of scenes from the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre which a few
critics were very impressed with, one saying it was a better
conversion than The Phantom Menace. After that auspicious beginning,
critical consensus is rating the 3D in TC3D a fail.

[calvin]

By '3D-ized' I meant post-converted. But take Jurassic Park,
for example, a 20 year old movie. They probably want the
2D version to look as good as possible, which no doubt
requires a bit of restoration. So, do they want to add expense
and restore the 2D in addition to doing the 3D post conversion
work? Or do they do a restoration first, and then start the post
conversion on top of that? Inquiring minds want to know.
They probably want the 2D version to be sound-enhanced too,
but that might not require any duplication of effort.

[calvin]

On Jan 13, 3:09 pm, moviePig <pwall...@moviepig.com> wrote:
> On Jan 13, 12:11 pm, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
> > "moviePig" <pwall...@moviepig.com> wrote:
> > >On Jan 13, 10:29 am, calvin <cri...@windstream.net> wrote:
> > >> On Jan 13, 8:26 am, nick <leftbehindbythetalk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > I've never seen Jurassic Park in a theater to begin with, so whether I
> > >> > see it 3D-ized or standard 2D, I'll probably check out the re-
> > >> > release.
>
> > >> Which brings up a question. When a 3D-ized movie is
> > >> shown in a theater, in both 3D and 2D, is the 2D version
> > >> just the left-eye or right-eye frames of the 3D-ized version,
> > >> or is it the original 2D version with perhaps sound enhanced
> > >> and visual restoration? I would hope for the latter, but that
> > >> probably would be naive.
>
> > >Actually, best results obtain from *alternating* the left- and right-
> > >eye frames:
>
> > >  http://www.adorama.com/alc/files/a51a2b8d6874bfffd87aa4c629f97f84.gif
>
> > Serious question:  if the 2D version was created by alternating the left and
> > right eye frames, it would then be perfect for hfr projection, right?
>
> Well, the 3D effect in the .gif, afaics, depends on fooling the eye
> into believing we're wiggling from side to side, so that our depth

> perception via "perspective shift" is invoked.  ...

Quite true, but that gif is much better with one eye
closed. Did you make the comparison?

[moviePig]

To me, it may seem a *little* better.

[moviePig]

I'd guess that "restoration" probably delivers a digitally sharper
(2D) image, more compliant to 3D post-conversion.

[calvin]

Maybe you should look at it longer with one eye.
To me it appears like it's all at the distance of the
computer screen when both eyes are open, even
though the perspective is changing. My two eyes
want to tell me that it's all flat, and it looks a bit
busy, too, possibly as a result of that conflict. But
with one eye, I become immersed, and the far
bank looks at the proper distance, the lily pads
up front are freed from association with light
reflections in the lake, and the nearby overhanging
moss becomes less obtrusive, letting my consciousness
move away toward the depth of the scene.

It's all the mind playing tricks of course, but it works
for me.

[Irish Mike]

On Jan 12 2013 9:52 AM, RichA wrote:

> zapUniversal Pictures announced Friday that dinosaurs will be unleashed on
> the world once again, when "Jurassic Park 4" comes to theaters June 13,
> 2014. Deadline reports Steven Spielberg will make his return to the
> franchise as producer, after directing the first two installments.
>
> The film, to be shot in 3D, will be the first film in the JP franchise since
> "Jurassic Park 3" was released in 2001. To get fans ready, the original
> "Jurassic Park" will be re-released in theaters with a 3D conversion on
> April 5 to mark it's 20th anniversary.
>
> Spielberg, whose latest film "Lincoln" is nominated for 12 Academy Awards,
> was expected to direct "Robopocalypse" next, before putting that project on
> hold this week. A director is not attached to "Jurassic Park 4" yet, and
> there is no work on who will be writing the script.2it.com

Why does making a movie make Spielberg greedy? That's what Spielberg does
for a living. If people don't go to see this movie, he and his investors
will lose big money. If they go to see his movie, in big numbers,
Spielberg and his investors will make big money. I'm surprised you'd have
a problem with that.

Irish Mike

Keep your trust in God; your president is an idiot.

[WrongWayWade]

calvin wrote:

> On Jan 12, 8:52 am, "RichA" <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> zapUniversal Pictures announced Friday that dinosaurs will be
>> unleashed on the world once again, when "Jurassic Park 4" comes to
>> theaters June 13, 2014. Deadline reports Steven Spielberg will make
>> his return to the franchise as producer, after directing the first
>> two installments.
>>
>> The film, to be shot in 3D, will be the first film in the JP
>> franchise since "Jurassic Park 3" was released in 2001. To get fans
>> ready, the original "Jurassic Park" will be re-released in theaters
>> with a 3D conversion on April 5 to mark it's 20th anniversary.
>>
>> Spielberg, whose latest film "Lincoln" is nominated for 12 Academy
>> Awards, was expected to direct "Robopocalypse" next, before putting
>> that project on hold this week. A director is not attached to
>> "Jurassic Park 4" yet, and there is no work on who will be writing
>> the script.2it.com
>>

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>
> JP3 had one beautiful scene, visually and musically, of
> herbivorous dinosaurs near the river bank, as seen from
> a boat, but not much else except state-of-the-art dinosaur
> work. I hope JP4 has a better writer.
>
> I don't think making a 4th movie is a bad idea, but 3D-izing
> the original is a very bad idea, IMO. I saw a 3D preview of it
> at The Hobbit showing.

JP2 and JP3 were weak because Crichton mailed in the script. If you read
the novel it is just a screenplay in softcover. And how long can we linger
over "we're caught in the trailer hanging over the cliff". Hell, that was
1/2 the movie.

All that being said, it still is an interesting world and worth revisiting,
(if someone actually has a story to tell).

[Inkan1969]

On Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:22:50 AM UTC-5, calvin wrote:

> JP3 had one beautiful scene, visually and musically, of
>
> herbivorous dinosaurs near the river bank, as seen from
>
> a boat, but not much else except state-of-the-art dinosaur
>
> work. I hope JP4 has a better writer.

Well, JP3 had that amusing Barney cameo. :-)

- Inkan1969