is neorealism dead?
Neil Sarver
The least interesting? The one least likely to get any sort of reply
(sorry, I fucked that up for you)?
Curious.
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ALYC
if it has had any major influence on Hollywood...in terms of techniques or
genre?
Can any1 think of any recent films (70s,80s,90s) that contains elements of
neorealist influence? I guess it's more likely to influence movies in 3rd
world countries than hollywood?
Lastly, could One Flew Over the Cuckcoo's Nest directed by Milos Forman be
an example neorealist influence?....eg. location filming, some use of
non-professional actors....
or
Schindler's list???
Ryan K.
>Are you competing to come up with the most pretentious sounding topic?
>The least interesting? The one least likely to get any sort of reply
>(sorry, I fucked that up for you)?
Maybe he's trolling for reactionaries.
ObQuote: "Fished in!"
Jeffrey Davis
>
> Are you competing to come up with the most pretentious sounding topic?
> The least interesting? The one least likely to get any sort of reply
> (sorry, I fucked that up for you)?
>
Why pick on him? No one seems to think talking about film noir is
pretentious.
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Evelyn C. Leeper
Ryan K. <dedal...@aol.com> wrote:
> Neil Sarver:
> >Are you competing to come up with the most pretentious sounding topic?
> >The least interesting? The one least likely to get any sort of reply
> >(sorry, I fucked that up for you)?
>
Or maybe he's reacting to the comments of Scorsese and Ebert in their
comparison of THE HORSE THIEF to some of the best of Italian
Neo-Realism (specifically THE BICYCLE THIEF, obviously).
I don't see a whole lot of Neo-Realism in Hollywood these days. As
Scorsese and Ebert also noted, Hollywood seems more concerned with
irony than anything else.
I don't think mainstream Hollywood *ever* did Neo-Realism. Even their
"realistic" films were very artificial, and looked it. Italian
Neo-Realism (to me) includes elements of Dogma 95, at least in terms of
*appearing to* avoid artificial settings, lighting, etc. It basically
takes a camera out and films a realistic story as it was happening.
I think some of Kurosawa's contemporary films might also qualify (at
least as my understanding goes).
[Sorry if this is too pretentious to you, but it's a lot more
interesting to me than posts about how THE MATRIX (definitely *not* a
Neo-realist film!) was cheated out of it Academty Award.]
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> Neil Sarver wrote:
> >
> > Are you competing to come up with the most pretentious sounding topic?
> > The least interesting? The one least likely to get any sort of reply
> > (sorry, I fucked that up for you)?
> >
K
>neorealist influence?
Um, first, for us ignorants ;o) define neo realism in film !
I know I could look it up somewhere (not sure where offhand-- regular
encyclopedia ?!), but, that still would not be *your* definition; plus, I am
not that motivated ;o) just mildly curious.
K
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> THE MATRIX (definitely *not* a Neo-realist film!)
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In article <89ksd4$b5r$1...@coco.singnet.com.sg>,
"ALYC" <mid...@magix.com.sg> wrote:
> Italian Neorealism had an impact on French New Wave.....but I was
wondering
> if it has had any major influence on Hollywood...in terms of
techniques or
> genre?
>
> Can any1 think of any recent films (70s,80s,90s) that contains
elements of
> neorealist influence? I guess it's more likely to influence movies in
3rd
> world countries than hollywood?
>
> Lastly, could One Flew Over the Cuckcoo's Nest directed by Milos
Forman be
> an example neorealist influence?....eg. location filming, some use of
> non-professional actors....
> or
> Schindler's list???
>
>
sven...@slip.net
(Evelyn C. Leeper) wrote:
>Or maybe he's reacting to the comments of Scorsese and Ebert in their
>comparison of THE HORSE THIEF to some of the best of Italian
>Neo-Realism (specifically THE BICYCLE THIEF, obviously).
>
>I don't see a whole lot of Neo-Realism in Hollywood these days. As
>Scorsese and Ebert also noted, Hollywood seems more concerned with
>irony than anything else.
>
>I don't think mainstream Hollywood *ever* did Neo-Realism. Even their
>"realistic" films were very artificial, and looked it. Italian
>Neo-Realism (to me) includes elements of Dogma 95, at least in terms of
>*appearing to* avoid artificial settings, lighting, etc. It basically
>takes a camera out and films a realistic story as it was happening.
>
>I think some of Kurosawa's contemporary films might also qualify (at
>least as my understanding goes).
>
>[Sorry if this is too pretentious to you, but it's a lot more
>interesting to me than posts about how THE MATRIX (definitely *not* a
>Neo-realist film!) was cheated out of it Academty Award.]
One of my favorite recent films is the Swedish film FUCKING ÅMÅL
(american title SHOW ME LOVE) which had relatively unknown actors,
grainy film, no unnatural lighting, and a very close-up, sometimes
slightly shaky camera style. It was also the first teen film I related
to a great deal, not just because of the swearing and drinking, hiding
small amounts of vodka in water bottles and trying to smoke a
cigarette while keeping one eye on the door, but because of the
immaturity, childish cruelty, naivete and uncertainty they often
displayed. Very neo-realist, and very touching, I found.
--Alexei Svensson
Kevin
>Italian Neorealism had an impact on French New Wave.....but I was wondering
>if it has had any major influence on Hollywood...in terms of techniques or
>genre?
You might try asking this over in the "past films" group where, to be honest,
more folks will be knowledgable about the question. This is more the "Matrix
Roolz" or "The Oscars suck the ass" newsgroup, as you should be able to tell
from some of the responses to your post. (And I mean that with love.) But if
you want to talk about Visconti or Rosellini or Pasolini or any other lini,
you're better off trying it over there.
There was certainly a movement in post-war Hollywood towards more location
filming, due to a variety of reasons. Check out a film like *Call Northside
777*, which bragged about being "filmed on the actual locations" in its
advertising. This is an example of some of the "social problem" films that
were certainly influenced by Neorealism. A definite influence, although
Hollywood conventions still ruled the day.
>Can any1 think of any recent films (70s,80s,90s) that contains elements of
>neorealist influence? I guess it's more likely to influence movies in 3rd
>world countries than hollywood?
None come to mind.
>Lastly, could One Flew Over the Cuckcoo's Nest directed by Milos Forman be
>an example neorealist influence?....eg. location filming, some use of
>non-professional actors....
>or
>Schindler's list???
I suppose you could argue about the influence, but those films are very slick
compared to neorealism. To me, *Cuckoo's Nest* seems worlds apart from *Open
City*, while *Schindler* seems closer (except for maybe the last reel).
--Kevin
"Goals are for people who are afraid to drift."
Iceman
contains
>>elements of
>>> >neorealist influence? I guess it's more likely to influence
movies
>>in 3rd
>>> >world countries than hollywood?
La Haine by Kassovitz certainly has a strong neorealist
influence, but few other major films do.
Some independent films have traces of neorealist ideas, although
these could be more coincidental than anything else - Clerks,
Kids, Nowhere.
Neorealism doesn't fit into a "Hollywood movie," which tends
to need more of a structured plot, have clear transitions between
segments, and build towards a climax that's specified early in
the movie.
In many ways, neorealism was the product of a specific time and
place: Italy immediately after World War II, and makes much less
sense outside that context. One neorealist said that the ideal
film would be 90 minutes in the life of an ordinary person in
which nothing really happens.
>Why would Professional actors be a problem -- Rome Open City is
one of
>the central films of neo-realism, and Anna Magnani was hardly an
>amateur.
>
>John Harkness
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elements of
> >neorealist influence? I guess it's more likely to influence movies
in 3rd
> >world countries than hollywood?
>
>
> >Lastly, could One Flew Over the Cuckcoo's Nest directed by Milos
Forman be
> >an example neorealist influence?....eg. location filming, some use of
> >non-professional actors....
> >or
> >Schindler's list???
>
> I suppose you could argue about the influence, but those films are
very slick
> compared to neorealism. To me, *Cuckoo's Nest* seems worlds apart
from *Open
> City*, while *Schindler* seems closer (except for maybe the last
reel).
>
> --Kevin
>
> "Goals are for people who are afraid to drift."
Would John Sayles films come under the neorealist umbrella? They
certainly deal with social issues, and often shoot on-location. He has a
stock group of professional actors though. Semi-tangent: has anyone seen
Zhang Yimou's "Not One Less" ? There's a terrific modern film in the
neorealist style.
John H
John H
<drubenst...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>> >Can any1 think of any recent films (70s,80s,90s) that
>contains
>>>elements of
>>>> >neorealist influence? I guess it's more likely to influence
>movies
>>>in 3rd
>>>> >world countries than hollywood?
>
>La Haine by Kassovitz certainly has a strong neorealist
>influence, but few other major films do.
>
>Some independent films have traces of neorealist ideas, although
>these could be more coincidental than anything else - Clerks,
>Kids, Nowhere.
>
>Neorealism doesn't fit into a "Hollywood movie," which tends
>to need more of a structured plot, have clear transitions between
>segments, and build towards a climax that's specified early in
>the movie.
>
>In many ways, neorealism was the product of a specific time and
>place: Italy immediately after World War II, and makes much less
>sense outside that context. One neorealist said that the ideal
>film would be 90 minutes in the life of an ordinary person in
>which nothing really happens.
>
>>Why would Professional actors be a problem -- Rome Open City is
>one of
>>the central films of neo-realism, and Anna Magnani was hardly an
>>amateur.
>>
>>John Harkness
>
>You're in this newsgroup too?
>
>Iceman
>
>
For ages. I got diverse interests.
John Harkness