nazi art and arabstract art
dr. stranzhivago
control the arts.
for example, nazis promoted their brand of neo-classical art and the
soviets had socialist realism. and maoists had comicbook style art
with simple blaring colors.
the assumption is representational art is simple, obvious, and more
instructional than abstract forms of art. indeed, one may argue that
abstract art is too subversive to be promoted as official art by an
authoritarian or totalitarian regime.
but what about islamic art? now, this isn't to say islamic art is
technically abstract, at least in the western--or modern--sense. but,
because islam forbids representation of the human form, arab artists
had to resort to all sorts of abstractions which transformed the
phonetic ararphabets into something like chinese calligraphy(which
began as pictograms). if not quite abstract, it still qualifies as
arabstract.
though a conservative and rigid culture, islam prohibited the simplest
forms of artistic expression(one to one representation which existed
since caveman times).
and the taliban destroyed all the representational paintings they could
get their hands on and smashed buddha statues that were considered
idolatrous. they would smashed islamic statues as well if such
heretical objects existed.
so, could one argue that nazi and soviet promotion of representational
art over abstract art was more a matter of historical accident than due
to any intrinsic 'conservative' or 'authoritarian' quality of
representational art?
indeed, many of today's modernists and postmodernists have a purist
contempt for representational art. though they champion artistic
freedom, their emotions are often just as intolerant and derisive as
that of the nazis and soviets.
could we have a totalitarian government that ONLY supported abstract
art? in a way, couldn't abstract art--like music which is
absract--also be a powerful tool to promote a certain ideology?
indeed, hebrews forbid idolatrous--representational-- art yet they were
far more conservative and rigid than the progressive and inventive
greeks who were more representational than any other culture.
DylanBD
> indeed,
Uh, "indeed"!
> many of today's modernists and postmodernists have a purist
> contempt for representational art. though they champion artistic
> freedom, their emotions are often just as intolerant and derisive as
> that of the nazis and soviets.
Tee hee. This is such a softie-leftie-college-boy thing to say. Those
modernists are oppressive because they HURT PEOPLE'S FEELINGS. Sometimes
they even harm the SELF ESTEEM of the people make fun of. They are just
like the NAZIS.
You may dislike your collegiate environment, my dear, but your attitudes are
very much its product.
T
> we usually associate representational art with government attempt to
> control the arts.
Hahahahahah. If this is where you start you can claim ANYthing.
Your meds are calling, answer the door.
TBerk
yeah, 'WE'.
Gaza knows what is going on with 'WE', he speaks for us. Uhuh.
Ed Stasiak
>
> but what about islamic art? now, this isn't to say islamic art is
> technically abstract, at least in the western--or modern--sense. but,
> because islam forbids representation of the human form, arab artists
> had to resort to all sorts of abstractions which transformed the
> phonetic ararphabets into something like chinese calligraphy(which
> began as pictograms). if not quite abstract, it still qualifies as
> arabstract.
As I understand it Islam doesn't forbid _any_ artistic representation
of humans, just Allah and (not sure on this) Mohammad.
There has been plenty of pictures of humans throughout the Muslim
world, (Mughul India in particular) don't forget all those massive
paintings of Saddam.
RichA
wrote:
Hopefully, they burned most of them.
dr. stranzhivago
but according to the law, it is forbidden. and in the muslim world, it
is forbidden as a rule where muslims control the politics and power.
casioc...@gmail.com
Ed Stasiak
> > Ed Stasiak wrote
> >
> > There has been plenty of pictures of humans throughout the Muslim
> > world, (Mughul India in particular) don't forget all those massive
> > paintings of Saddam.
>
> Saddam, Gaddafi & Co have nothing to do with Islam.
Nonsense, they are/were Muslim leaders of predominantly Muslim
nations, even if it's just a case of them paying lip service to the religion
to maintain power.
The point is that there isn't an absolute ban on artistic representations
of humans in the Muslim world, some nations follow a stricter line while
others are more relaxed about it.
Richard
wrote:
>> <casioc...@gmail.com> wrote
How about pictures of Allah or Mohammed?
-Rich
casioc...@gmail.com
They are/were no more muslims than Ronald Reagan was a marxist for
having been a leader of a nation in which the workers were a majority,
and he did, for sure, pay lip service to the workers to maintain power.
Even Daniel Pipes would tell you that Saddam was a totalitarian thug
who did not represent anything.
Had you said that there isn't an absolute ban on artistic
representations of humans in the muslim world, and used Iran, an
'Islamic Republic' of Shiites, where paintings of the religious figures
are widely circulated, as an example, whereas Wahabis in Arabia
absolutely banned figurative painting, then yes, I would've agreed.
Sam R. I. Bushido
in Afghanistan blew up the huge in-mountain Buddha's?
Was that only about them representing the wrong religion's icon,
or was it also because they WERE icons?
As I recall, the rational expressed was both.
Sam
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T
>
> They are/were no more muslims than Ronald Reagan was a marxist for
> having been a leader of a nation in which the workers were a majority,
> and he did, for sure, pay lip service to the workers to maintain power.
> Even Daniel Pipes would tell you that Saddam was a totalitarian thug
> who did not represent anything.
>
> Had you said that there isn't an absolute ban on artistic
> representations of humans in the muslim world, and used Iran, an
> 'Islamic Republic' of Shiites, where paintings of the religious figures
> are widely circulated, as an example, whereas Wahabis in Arabia
> absolutely banned figurative painting, then yes, I would've agreed.
>
<shhhhhhh> Don't use facts, they get 'con-fue-said'.
TBerk
elkabong
allowed to vote. I think we should go back to the literacy test. I know
that sounds radical but when I read such crap I see a good reason for
sterilization.
Sadaam was born a muslim. I was born a Christian. That doesnt make me a
pope. I havent set foot in a church since 70. Sadaam was against the
Islamic clerics. They were his enemy. While he was in power, Osama and
his crew didnt dare set foot in Iraq. SH ran a taut ship. We made a big
mistake. Also that shit about him gassing his own people has been
disproved. Its a lie. Just like Bush and his NAt Guard service is a lie.
And the Israelis are lying about EVERYTHING. They have been spying on
us. They are afraid that we might know that they were involved in 9-11.
Why else spy on us? Why else would 5 Mossad agents be arrested in NYC
cheering the burining bldgs in downtown NY. They were giving each other
"high 5s".A job well done. Then Israel said "Send them back" If you dont
youre just antisemites. OhhhhhNoooooo. Anything but that.
What did Netanwahoo say about 9-11?
"Oh, I think its good for Israel"
I am tired of seeingyoung Americans die for those liars.
•R.L.Measures
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>>><casioc...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>>>... Why else would 5 Mossad agents be arrested in NYC
>cheering the burining bldgs in downtown NY. ... ...
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>>Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>>><casioc...@gmail.com> wrote
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>>>>>... Why else would 5 Mossad agents be arrested in NYC
>>cheering the burining bldgs in downtown NY. ... ...
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zeno
all kinds of bullets. One person's junk icon is another person's treasured
collectible. Go figure.
Zeno
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