Braveheart: Dances with Druids
Gord Jeoffroy
slk...@netcom.com (Sherry Katz) wrote:
>How did this vanity star vehicle win an Oscar for best picture?
Are you beginning to realize that the Academy is just a mutual
admiration society and that Oscars really aren't worth much in
reality?
--Gord, film cynic-- uh, critic...
AGE
In article <slkatzDu...@netcom.com>, slk...@netcom.com (Sherry Katz) wrote:
> I just saw Braveheart last night - well as much of it as I could stand.
>
> How did this vanity star vehicle win an Oscar for best picture? I don't know
> which was worse - the slow pace that cried out for editing, or the vanity
> casting of Gibson who was at least 25 years too old for the part. I
could not
> suspend my disbelief due to his being old enough to be the father of the
woman
> who was supposed to be his lover and his own age.
>
> I guess last year was just a thin year for the movies, although there were at
> least some decent movies made, Braveheart was just plain bad - so how
could it
> be the "best" picture.
Because it **WAS** i wish you people would just get over it and stop
bashing this movie.. what sense did it make to write this post anyway?..
do you not like Mel or something?.. or are you mad that some video store
now has your 3 bucks?.. here's a quarter.. now go tell someone who cares.
AGE
Sherry Katz
In article <agoodmil-190...@192.0.2.1>, agoo...@osf1.gmu.edu (AGE) wrote:
>The problem is you didn't see it in the theatre (no matter how good your
>home theatre system is, it just doesn't compare to the Big Screen).. now
>your gonna say, "It's a good thing i didn't see it on the big screen and
>waste $7" but you have to know that movies have a totally different feel
>when you are watching it on a TV.. you can't tell me that if you watched
>T2 at home it would have the same feel as when you watched it at the
>theatre.. there is just no way..
>
I've got a 48" TV with surround sound. It was a laser disk. I can tell you
that the experience is pretty damn amazing; since we've got comfortable seats
it beats seeing films in a lot of mall theatres. The movie sucks I wouldn't
spend $8.50 (which is what movies cost here in LA to see it).
We watch movies like T2 and Star Wars, and other special effects movies here
on the big screen and it's a blast. This Dances with Druids was not of the
same caliber. I can't stand these pretentious vanity productions where we
watch some overaged star who can barely act be the hero for the entire film
(which is why a lot of Mr. Costners movies are serious snoozers too).
sherry katz
AGE
> In article <agoodmil-190...@192.0.2.1>, agoo...@osf1.gmu.edu
(AGE) wrote:
> >In article <slkatzDu...@netcom.com>, slk...@netcom.com (Sherry Katz)
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I just saw Braveheart last night - well as much of it as I could stand.
> >> How did this vanity star vehicle win an Oscar for best picture? I
don't know
> >
> >Because it **WAS** i wish you people would just get over it and stop
> >bashing this movie.. what sense did it make to write this post anyway?..
> >do you not like Mel or something?.. or are you mad that some video store
> >now has your 3 bucks?.. here's a quarter.. now go tell someone who cares.
> >
> >
> >AGE
> I didn't spend a penny to rent the movie. A friend lent me the laser disc.
> I'm glad I didn't spend three bucks to rent this piece of crud.
>
> The Academy awards are a joke, and giving Best Picture to an embarassing
piece
> of self-advertisement like Braveheart just reinforces the lack of credibility.
The problem is you didn't see it in the theatre (no matter how good your
home theatre system is, it just doesn't compare to the Big Screen).. now
your gonna say, "It's a good thing i didn't see it on the big screen and
waste $7" but you have to know that movies have a totally different feel
when you are watching it on a TV.. you can't tell me that if you watched
T2 at home it would have the same feel as when you watched it at the
theatre.. there is just no way..
AGE
Sherry Katz
In article <agoodmil-190...@192.0.2.1>, agoo...@osf1.gmu.edu (AGE) wrote:
>In article <slkatzDu...@netcom.com>, slk...@netcom.com (Sherry Katz)
> wrote:
>
>> I just saw Braveheart last night - well as much of it as I could stand.
>> How did this vanity star vehicle win an Oscar for best picture? I don't know
>
>Because it **WAS** i wish you people would just get over it and stop
>bashing this movie.. what sense did it make to write this post anyway?..
>do you not like Mel or something?.. or are you mad that some video store
>now has your 3 bucks?.. here's a quarter.. now go tell someone who cares.
>
>
>AGE
I didn't spend a penny to rent the movie. A friend lent me the laser disc.
I'm glad I didn't spend three bucks to rent this piece of crud.
The Academy awards are a joke, and giving Best Picture to an embarassing piece
of self-advertisement like Braveheart just reinforces the lack of credibility.
sherry katz
FireMagik
> In article <agoodmil-190...@192.0.2.1>, agoo...@osf1.gmu.edu (AGE) wrote:
>
> >The problem is you didn't see it in the theatre (no matter how good your
> >home theatre system is, it just doesn't compare to the Big Screen).. now
> >your gonna say, "It's a good thing i didn't see it on the big screen and
> >waste $7" but you have to know that movies have a totally different feel
> >when you are watching it on a TV.. you can't tell me that if you watched
> >T2 at home it would have the same feel as when you watched it at the
> >theatre.. there is just no way..
> >
> I've got a 48" TV with surround sound. It was a laser disk. I can tell you
> that the experience is pretty damn amazing; since we've got comfortable seats
> it beats seeing films in a lot of mall theatres. The movie sucks I wouldn't
> spend $8.50 (which is what movies cost here in LA to see it).
>
> We watch movies like T2 and Star Wars, and other special effects movies here
> on the big screen and it's a blast. This Dances with Druids was not of the
> same caliber. I can't stand these pretentious vanity productions where we
> watch some overaged star who can barely act be the hero for the entire film
> (which is why a lot of Mr. Costners movies are serious snoozers too).
>
> sherry katz
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The statues of William of Wallace and Robert the Bruce both
flank the entrance of Edinburgh Castle, Edinburgh Scotland.
Gibson actually looks more like Robert the Bruce than William
of Wallace. Someone commented that Gibson was about 25 years
too old for the part of Wallace. Judging from the likenesses
on the statues, I'd say not.
As for Braveheart, I liked it...but thought the love scene with
the French Queen could have been edited as well as some of the
battle scenes. Given that Gibson was trying to communicate the
overwhelming bloodshed of Scotland's history I understand why he
did it, but I'm quite certain I'd gotten the point long before
the scenes changed.
Oh, and I do think you really have to see this one on the big
theater screen. Home entertainment centers just can't begin
to do justice to the breathtaking Scottish landscape. (Of course,
I highly recommend experiencing that live if possible. Some of the
most beautiful land in the world is in Scotland.)
FireMagik
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Cap'n Buckwheat
slk...@netcom.com (Sherry Katz) wrote:
>I just saw Braveheart last night - well as much of it as I could stand.
>How did this vanity star vehicle win an Oscar for best picture? I don't know
>which was worse - the slow pace that cried out for editing, or the vanity
>casting of Gibson who was at least 25 years too old for the part. I could not
>suspend my disbelief due to his being old enough to be the father of the woman
>who was supposed to be his lover and his own age.
>I guess last year was just a thin year for the movies, although there were at
>least some decent movies made, Braveheart was just plain bad - so how could it
>be the "best" picture.
>sherry katz
Forget the age of the actor, and the fact it was Mel Gibson, who I'm
guessing you don't like. This movie was about bravery, honor, love and
pride, these are subjects that obviously don't interest you.
Cap'n Buckwheat
Eric H. Raeside
>
> Oh, and I do think you really have to see this one on the big
> theater screen. Home entertainment centers just can't begin
> to do justice to the breathtaking Scottish landscape. (Of course,
> I highly recommend experiencing that live if possible. Some of the
> most beautiful land in the world is in Scotland.)
Agreed 100%. Edinburgh and Kirkintilloch(where my cousin was
married 4 years ago) are very nice in the spring. As is Stirling Castle.
Unfortunately, Braveheart did not make much use of Scottish land due to
problems with the weather(Rain, Rain, Rain). So, Mel and company packed
their bags to moved the production to Ireland.
Eric
Eric H. Raeside
On Fri, 19 Jul 1996, Sherry Katz wrote:
> The Academy awards are a joke, and giving Best Picture to an embarassing piece
> of self-advertisement like Braveheart just reinforces the lack of credibility.
>
> sherry katz
>
And what would call a film like Schindler's List? The only reason
that film was made was because it was the only way Spielberg could
personally receive an Academy Award. There are better films that have
covered the Holocaust. The Garden of the Finzi-Continis(1971- Italian)
and Triumph of the Spirit(1989) come to mind.
Braveheart was a film about the atrocities of Edward I who
liked to be known as The Hammer of the Scots.
Eric
FireMagik
I do recall hearing that. I've been to the western coast of Ireland
and travelled most of Scotland)...and to me...both countries are
equally beautiful. : )
Bottom line, you still have to see it on the big screen to appreciate
the film as it was intended to be seen.
FireMagik
FireMagik
In article <4t08ma$j...@newsgate.duke.edu>, sr...@galactose.mc.duke.edu (Steven Pirie-Shepherd) wrote:
> FireMagik (Fire...@concentric.net) wrote:
> : In article <Pine.A32.3.92.960721...@srv1.freenet.calgary.ab.ca>, "Eric H. Raeside" <rae...@freenet.calgary.ab.ca> wrote:
>
> : >
> : > Agreed 100%. Edinburgh and Kirkintilloch(where my cousin was
> : > married 4 years ago) are very nice in the spring. As is Stirling Castle.
> : > Unfortunately, Braveheart did not make much use of Scottish land due to
> : > problems with the weather(Rain, Rain, Rain). So, Mel and company packed
> : > their bags to moved the production to Ireland.
> : >
> : > Eric
>
> All of the scenery scenes in the film were filmed in Scotland. The
> courtship, marriage and village scenes were all filmed below Ben Nevis.
> All of the battle scenes were filmed in ireland because THE IRISH ARMY
> WERE CHEAP EXTRAS. It also rained all the time in ireland. Again..the
> mountain scenery in Braveheart is all Scottish..there are not mountains
> like that in ireland..we are talking Scottish Highlands!!!!!!
>
> They did not move to ireland because it was prettier (Irelnad and
> Scotland are both very beautiful countries) they moved because it was
> cheap..and the army would play with them.
> So..all the beautiful mountain scenery was scottish.
> all the flat battl;e gournds were irish
> all the castle scenes were filmed in irleand, as were the york scens and
> the london scenes.
> Please stop deuliding yourselves and the world that irleand can look like
> the scottish Highlands..it cannot ever do that, as the mountains in
> Scotland are gelogically ancient..possible oldest bits in
> europe..ireland is younger and flatter..thank you.
>
> ----------------------------------
> steven pirie-shepherd
> "Insert your own pithy phrase just about here!"
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Eric wrote that Braveheart did not make much use of the Scottish land
(landscape) due to weather and you said they did. Fine. Eric wasn't
specific concerning what precisely was shot where. I said that both
countries are equally beautiful but nobody said that Ireland looked
like the Scottish Highlands. When something is considered equally as
beautiful as something else it does not necessarily mean that it looks
the same. Simply that its beauty is equal.
Don't get your panties in a bunch.
FireMagik
Steven Pirie-Shepherd
bu...@europa.com
buck...@hnehealth.com (Cap'n Buckwheat) wrote:
>slk...@netcom.com (Sherry Katz) wrote:
>>I just saw Braveheart last night - well as much of it as I could stand.
>>How did this vanity star vehicle win an Oscar for best picture?
>Forget the age of the actor, and the fact it was Mel Gibson, who I'm
>guessing you don't like. This movie was about bravery, honor, love and
>pride, these are subjects that obviously don't interest you.
>Cap'n Buckwheat
I have to agree with Sherry, this movie was way overrated. Mel is in
his 40's, the character he was playing died in his 20's. Granted Mel
looks good, but not that young. I found the whole movie pretty
boring, and for that type of movie I thought Rob Roy with Liam Neeson
was far superior. Certainly had enough honor to satisfy Cap'n
Buckwheat.
Actually I thought Sense and Sensibility should have gotten the Oscar
but it was probably too peaceful and had no superduper special effects
- just intelligent script, fantastic costuming, good acting, great
cinematography. A second choice would be Apollo 13.
Judy in Portland
FireMagik
Some estimates place William of Wallace at about 35 at the
time of his death. And the statue of him at the gates of
Edinburgh Castle, does make him look much older than 20.
Nevertheless, if you didn't like the movie, you didn't like the movie.
: )
FireMagik
Dave Flores
bu...@europa.com wrote in article <4tpcdk$6...@atheria.europa.com>...
> buck...@hnehealth.com (Cap'n Buckwheat) wrote:
>
> >slk...@netcom.com (Sherry Katz) wrote:
>
> >>I just saw Braveheart last night - well as much of it as I could stand.
>
> >>How did this vanity star vehicle win an Oscar for best picture?
> >Forget the age of the actor, and the fact it was Mel Gibson, who I'm
> >guessing you don't like. This movie was about bravery, honor, love and
> >pride, these are subjects that obviously don't interest you.
>
> >Cap'n Buckwheat
>
> I have to agree with Sherry, this movie was way overrated. Mel is in
> his 40's, the character he was playing died in his 20's. Granted Mel
> looks good, but not that young. I found the whole movie pretty
> boring, and for that type of movie I thought Rob Roy with Liam Neeson
> was far superior. Certainly had enough honor to satisfy Cap'n
> Buckwheat.
>
> Actually I thought Sense and Sensibility should have gotten the Oscar
> but it was probably too peaceful and had no superduper special effects
> - just intelligent script, fantastic costuming, good acting, great
> cinematography. A second choice would be Apollo 13.
>
> Judy in Portland
Sorry to say, I could never stand any of those movies Emma Thompson was
in...you know, the remakes of literary classics that you hated to read in
high school. As much as I hate to say it, I can't stand a movie that is
"peaceful" which in other words means "slower than hell". A movie *that
wants to be a hit* has to be fast and furious, not afraid to offend anyone.
SFX also help. I do agree with the fact that those *type* of movies do
have great set design and cinematography...but, by far, the best set design
and cinematography in a movie in the past year has to be "Se7en"....it
really sets the mood.
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