Japanese weirdos spend $127M on library for cartoons
RichA
Manga library planned for Japan
A Tokyo university is planning to open a library to promote serious
study of Japanese manga comics.
The proposed Tokyo International Manga Library will house two million
comic books, animation drawings, video games and other cartoon
industry artefacts.
It is hoped the new library will open by early 2015 at Meiji
University.
"Manga has been taken lightly in the past and there has been no solid
archive for serious study," the university's Susumi Shibao told AFP.
"We want to help academic studies on manga as part of Japanese
culture," she added.
It is anticipated that the library will be made available to
researchers and fans from Japan and abroad.
Initial plans include the opening of the Yoshihiro Yonezawa Memorial
Library of Manga and Subculture at the end of this month.
It will feature the late manga critic Yoshihiro Yonezawa's collection
of 140,000 comic books.
Woodblock prints
Hayao Miyazaki's Oscar-winning film Spirited Away is a classic example
of anime - animation based on manga styles.
Outside Japan, manga comics are mostly associated with science fiction
and fantasy, but manga also encompasses a much wider range of genres -
from high literature to soap operas.
Their characteristic style descends from the popular woodblock prints
common in the 18th and 19th centuries known as ukiyoe, which often
featured humorous depictions of Japanese urban life.
The former Japanese government had set aside 11.7bn yen ($128m, £78m)
for a museum on Japanese cartoon art and pop culture to be built in
Tokyo.
But the plan was axed when the administration was ousted in the
elections in August.
TBerk
How is this any different than building a place for oil paintings or
sculpture?
Your disgust seems to mirror the folks who have the kink, the fetish.
Whats up with that?
berk
Flasherly
Weird to us -- like watching teevee serials of Star Trek might be to
the Japanese. Weirdest part to me was an article I was reading about
manga corner kiosks setup in Tokyo. Pretty big deal was my impression
of popular reinforcement taken from the perspective of only what the
internet offers, there's no denying the presence, though in the
article the Japanese of course are downplaying Tokyo street bums
(indigents) that use them for a place to hang. Weird also in a
futuristic sense to develop as near-distanced scenery for the likes of
science fiction theme. Elevating cartoon stature to sculpture and oil
is stretching the fabric, though. There is that distinction between
fine art and commercialized shit of Warhol or a basketball player, I
recall, slopping aggregates into oil across a canvas for later cutting
apportioned sales out with a chainsaw, a la mode Pollack (whose work
deteriorated, coincidently, because of unsound material construction).
May not readily be the contradictory distinction and cause apparent,
though given time, a degree fineness usually emerges. Rather like
that ghastly apparition preserved in a Moscow chiller for obsequiously
fawning over Stalin's remains -- how misguidedly it must for some, I'd
imagine, to look upon for Social Democratic ideology as came to be
compromised by a likes of Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn.
--
"Dear me, he's [AIS] much too dreary;- Do be sure to take him off the
guest list for the party." -Nancy Reagan
sirblob2
you cannot even imagine how popular manga is over there
TBerk
>Elevating cartoon stature to sculpture and oil
> is stretching the fabric, though.
I'd say the genre is wide enough to hold in it some very fine art.
> There is that distinction between
> fine art and commercialized shit of Warhol or a basketball player,...
<snip>
But Warhol, love him or hate him, was widely 'published' in Art
Galleries and Museums around the world. (I personally and not a great
fan, but I recognize.)
Most of the time, when someone condemns something as weird and beneath
them, esp something that covers sooo much ground, they actually have
distanced themselves from knowing what they are talking about.
Our friend Rich has made up his mind (or had it made up _for_ him)
long ago. It's all Boogeymen to him now. Cartoon art and all it's
begats are the realm of children and pree-verts, at least thats how he
comes across.
berk
sirblob2
warhol's point was that commercialized stuff was shit. he was art
gallery marxist. manga is sumfin else
nick
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Try as I might, this westerner still has a hard time shaking off the
cliche of pervy minded Japanese men reading manga on the subway to
work every day.
RichA
I try not to, but I wonder what a psychologist might make of the
worship of cartoons that depict their characters as Anglos instead of
Orientals?
trotsky
Have you asked the mental health professional that you go to?
moviePig
You think they should be slit-eyed and bucktoothed like WW2 cartoons?
Afaics, anime tries to be ethnic-neutral... (which would mean any
Anglo-reading is in the round eye of the beholder...)
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nick
query) shows a lot of different reasons for the round eyes on anime
characters and a lot of online discussion but the simplest and most
plausible reason is simply that round eyes provide more range of
emotion for an animator, and giving characters different hair colors
rather than standard black is a convenient way to differentiate
between different characters and their different personalities.
Juan F. Lara
TBerk <bayar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>How is this any different than building a place for oil paintings or
>sculpture?
Exactly. Manga and anime can be art. 95% of them is crap, just like
most other media. But I think the works of a Tezuka or a Miyazaki are worth
museum preservation.
Gill Smith
news:e5249d0a-3de6-4dd3...@q14g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 25, 1:11 am, TBerk <bayareab...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> How is this any different than building a place for oil paintings or
>> sculpture?
>>
>> Your disgust seems to mirror the folks who have the kink, the fetish.
>> Whats up with that?
>>
>> berk
>
> Weird to us -- like watching teevee serials of Star Trek might be to
> the Japanese. Weirdest part to me was an article I was reading about
> manga corner kiosks setup in Tokyo. Pretty big deal was my impression
> of popular reinforcement taken from the perspective of only what the
> internet offers, there's no denying the presence, though in the
> article the Japanese of course are downplaying Tokyo street bums
> (indigents) that use them for a place to hang. Weird also in a
> futuristic sense to develop as near-distanced scenery for the likes of
> science fiction theme. Elevating cartoon stature to sculpture and oil
> is stretching the fabric, though. There is that distinction between
> fine art and commercialized shit of Warhol or a basketball player, I
> recall, slopping aggregates into oil across a canvas for later cutting
> apportioned sales out with a chainsaw, a la mode Pollack (whose work
> deteriorated, coincidently, because of unsound material construction).
No, no, no. His 'works' can ONLY improve with ageing
the 'shoddier' the construction materials, the quicker the 'art' improves
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moviePig
Not to mention which, *nobody's* eyes are round... (except maybe Marty
Feldman's and Buckwheat's...)
Flasherly
> On Oct 25, 12:41 am, Flasherly <Flashe...@live.com> wrote:
>
> >Elevating cartoon stature to sculpture and oil
> > is stretching the fabric, though.
>
> I'd say the genre is wide enough to hold in it some very fine art.
>
> > There is that distinction between
> > fine art and commercialized shit of Warhol or a basketball player,...
>
> <snip>
>
> But Warhol, love him or hate him, was widely 'published' in Art
> Galleries and Museums around the world. (I personally and not a great
> fan, but I recognize.)
Had difficulty putting Pollack in there, (there's a good Ed Harris
movie on him besides), tho strange to inexcusable to declare the man
an artist that's knows little enough about a medium for his works to
fall apart. Warhol I'd tend go after for following as much consumer
consciousness, than bringing anything more salient to art except
garish comparisons already well established before the 60s.
There's of course intriguing oriental cartoon animation, as well
obscure roots to less culturally accessibly, translatable pieces.
Doubly difficult if the piece isn't a standout, or then easily
reducible for comic pulp -- manga. Seems America bought it wholesale
some time ago -- no more cartoons on television that weren't
oriental. Cartoons for children are often oriental now, probably
because they're cheaper by the dozen. Though a few cable channels
have picked up animation for domestic productions, recent reality or
satirical spins almost exclusively aimed at adults, if not flat-out
full box office productions. The subtleties of the Japanese Cultural
Ministry manga collection might prove too tenuous for all but
consummate Western viewers. Too complicated for me -- little big-eyed
kid characters in kimonos doing the karate stuff, machines for
transforming, always about fighting -- aways from Bugs the rabbit,
blown away, smashed and flattened, plainly by stupid exaggerations of
a redneck with a shotgun, or the sleeping dog Tom and Jerry always
trip the precipitate cat into stumbling upon, tethered and waiting
just around the corner.
Bill Steele
<6459d968-f885-487e...@p15g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
nick <nickmacp...@AOL.com> wrote:
The way I heard it, the style grows out of early Japanese artists
imitating Disney.
The Japanese aren't the only "weirdos."
New York Museum of Comic and Cartoon art
http://www.moccany.org/about.html
Cartoon At M<useum, San Francisco
http://www.cartoonart.org/aboutus.html
And many more:
http://www.wordsandpictures.org/listings.cfm?categoryname=Museums
TBerk
>
> Try as I might, this westerner still has a hard time shaking off the
> cliche of pervy minded Japanese men reading manga on the subway to
> work every day.
Perhaps we can find a common source of definition to spin all this
around:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manga
Sure there is the kink in Manga, but it's a wide brush that lumps it
all in with perversion.
berk
Rich
1d41e9...@r24g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>
>
> How is this any different than building a place for oil paintings or
> sculpture?
>
Nice of your to compare crap aimed (originally) at children as high art!
TBerk
> TBerk <bayareab...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:ce8d2e18-bc54-4c64-a54e-
> 1d41e94f9...@r24g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > How is this any different than building a place for oil paintings or
> > sculpture?
>
> Nice of your to compare crap aimed (originally) at children as high art!
This is EXACTLY where you get it wrong. Closed minded-nes is
preventing you, based on what I read in your posts mind you, from
understanding what it's all about.
Cartoons are not a children's art form.
Just as there are clothes that fit kids and suits made for grownups,
most every other endeviour has sub-sets.
Its a very big world, full of the icky, the profane, the ignorant, and
depending on how you define it; evil.
It's up to each of us to prevent being icky and evil. Can't do it for
you.
berk
trotsky
Proof?
Madara0806
> On Oct 25, 1:11 am, TBerk <bayareab...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > How is this any different than building a place for oil paintings or
> > sculpture?
>
> > Your disgust seems to mirror the folks who have the kink, the fetish.
> > Whats up with that?
>
> > berk
>
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> Weird to us -- like watching teevee serials of Star Trek might be to
> the Japanese.
The Japanese watch TV serials as well, including many in the sci-fi
genre. Why would "Star Trek" seem weird to them? I'm sure "Star Trek"
was popular over there as well.
hpfan
> > TBerk <bayar...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:ce8d2e18-bc54-4c64-a54e-
> > 1d41e9...@r24g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
> >
> >
> >
or
> > sculpture?
> >
> >
>
>
> Nice of your to compare crap aimed (originally) at children as high
art!
Art or Not, it depending on perspective, like Picasso's picture is
junk when he alive but treasure when he dead . You may don't like
them but someone did, like I prefer Doraemon more than Star war.
Bill Steele
besky...@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (hpfan) wrote:
> >
> > Nice of your to compare crap aimed (originally) at children as high
> art!
Like Laurel and Hardy?
Some art is aimed at the child in all of us.
Tom
Rich always attacks things he doesn't understand... I'm sure out of
fear and ignorance.
One of my fondest childhood memories is of the original Astro Boy. If
that is crap, then Rich is an American.
Tom
trotsky
> One of my fondest childhood memories is of the original Astro Boy. If
> that is crap, then Rich is an American.
One of my fondest childhood memories is not even knowing who "Rich" is.
Rich
news:9d7ce967-be18-468d...@n35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
Time to grow up Tom.
TBerk
> Time to grow up Tom.
It is a fallacy to lump all things 'cartoons' in with being juvenile.
Your definition, your understanding of it is inadequate. Well, not to
your needs, it seems to server _you_ well.
berk
tomcervo
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TBerk
> "The George W. Bush Presidential Center is a future complex that will
> include former President George W. Bush's presidential library and
> museum, the George W. Bush Policy Institute, and the offices of the
> George W. Bush Foundation. The facility will occupy roughly 25 acres
> (100,000 m2) on the campus of Southern Methodist University in
> University Park, Texas. Construction of the center is projected to
> begin in late 2010 and cost $200 million to $500 million."
As they say in Reverso language: "Che-Tu", (or 'Touché').
berk
trotsky
I wonder if it will have a room with those plastic play balls like some
McDonald's have.