Re: THIS is Sherlock Holmes?
Rev.Dr. LoBotomy
> Official trailer for the "new" Sherlock Holmes movie:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUQbmFAE5WI
>
> Oh, good "Bob." When we think of Sherlock Holmes, of COURSE the first
> things that come to mind are guns, martial arts, and explosions. (With
> the way we see that occult pentacle and coffin displayed, I wouldn't be
> surprised if there's a vampire in the movie, too.) I guess it's too
> boring to make a Hollywood movie about a guy who makes logical
> deductions in order to catch the villains?
>
> And (to Phineas Narco), with the way that movie's trying to be
> steampunk, I wouldn't be surprised if there IS a helicopter chase in it.
Not to mention that Robert Downey Jr.'s British accent sucks. It's the
21st century version of a Sidney Toler Charlie Chan movie.
Manuel
wrote:
>Official trailer for the "new" Sherlock Holmes movie:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUQbmFAE5WI
>
>Oh, good "Bob." When we think of Sherlock Holmes, of COURSE the first
>things that come to mind are guns, martial arts, and explosions. (With
>the way we see that occult pentacle and coffin displayed, I wouldn't
>be surprised if there's a vampire in the movie, too.) I guess it's too
>boring to make a Hollywood movie about a guy who makes logical
>deductions in order to catch the villains?
>
>And (to Phineas Narco), with the way that movie's trying to be
>steampunk, I wouldn't be surprised if there IS a helicopter chase in
>it.
Well, seems that they introduced a lot of action to this slow paced
character and his stories.
I love Sherlock Holmes and I have all his stories in my bookshelf.
I can say that this movie is not about Sherlock Holmes how we know it,
but a kind of Sherlock in a parallel dimension, a modern investigator,
shabby, violent and totally different than the original one.
Robert Downey Jr. is a great choice for this character, the movie will
be a winner at the Box Office.
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wrote:
At least they didn't get Johnny Depp to play Holmes. Why they chose
Downey when Christopher Eccleston is around is beyond me though.
Although, I can see Downey doing a kickass Watson.
Paul Jamison
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I'm a dyed-in-the-wool Sherlockian (or is it Holmesian? I always get the two
mixed up.) We tend to have a *very* clear picutre of Sherlock Holmes. Gaunt,
beak-like nose, penetrating eyes. Sir Arthur tried to make him a logical
being. I don't think that's entirely possible, but he gets points for making
the effort. Now this is just my opinion, but I much prefer the deductive
(actually inductive) kind of detective over the "hard-boiled" type who goes
around bullying suspects until the right one confesses. (Granted, he does
get the girl, but still...) At one point in "The Adventure of the Sussex
Vampire", Holmes says "This agency stands flat-footed upon the ground, and
there it must remain. The world is big enough for us. No ghosts need apply."
(There isn't a real vampire, by the way.)
But for some strange reason, Hollywood doesn't *like* rational
explanations - or else their target audience doesn't. It has to be ghosties
and ghoulies and things that go bump in the night. (Preferable with
explosions.) The Scooby-Doo cartoon show was all about rational
explanations - clumsy rational explanations, but rational, all the same. And
look what they did to the live-action Scooby-Doo flicks. Tinsletown
basically panders to the gullible Newage, paranormal crowd.
Robert Downey Jr. doesn't look a damn thing like Holmes. The whole rational
explanation thing is probably going to get kicked out the door for
booga-booga crap. I'm not looking forward to this.
(Oh, yeah, there was a film some years back called "Young Sherlock Holmes".
It had a flying machine. I've never watched ti, either.)
Paul
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It looks like Tsui Hark (Legend of Zu, Seven Swords) is making a Judge Dee
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judge_Dee) movie.
Giles
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> On Nov 26, 5:07 am, "Rev.Dr. LoBotomy" <e...@NOSEPAMdrlobotomy.net>
> wrote:
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> > On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:53:05 -0500, Modemac wrote:
> > > Official trailer for the "new" Sherlock Holmes movie:
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUQbmFAE5WI
>
> > > Oh, good "Bob." When we think of Sherlock Holmes, of COURSE the first
> > > things that come to mind are guns, martial arts, and explosions. (With
> > > the way we see that occult pentacle and coffin displayed, I wouldn't be
> > > surprised if there's a vampire in the movie, too.) I guess it's too
> > > boring to make a Hollywood movie about a guy who makes logical
> > > deductions in order to catch the villains?
>
> > > And (to Phineas Narco), with the way that movie's trying to be
> > > steampunk, I wouldn't be surprised if there IS a helicopter chase in it.
>
> > Not to mention that Robert Downey Jr.'s British accent sucks. It's the
> > 21st century version of a Sidney Toler Charlie Chan movie.
>
Last weekend I pulled a Canadian Goose on your girlfriend's mom! LOL!!
Giles
> Official trailer for the "new" Sherlock Holmes movie:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUQbmFAE5WI
>
> Oh, good "Bob." When we think of Sherlock Holmes, of COURSE the first
> things that come to mind are guns, martial arts, and explosions. (With
> the way we see that occult pentacle and coffin displayed, I wouldn't
> be surprised if there's a vampire in the movie, too.) I guess it's too
> boring to make a Hollywood movie about a guy who makes logical
> deductions in order to catch the villains?
>
> And (to Phineas Narco), with the way that movie's trying to be
> steampunk, I wouldn't be surprised if there IS a helicopter chase in
> it.
And a giant steam powered Tarantula.
Invid Fan
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Well, given how many movies and TV shows have done a good accurate job
with the character, I have no problem with one having fun with him :)
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On Nov 26, 4:53 am, Modemac <mode...@modemac.com> wrote:
> Official trailer for the "new" Sherlock Holmes movie:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUQbmFAE5WI
>
> Oh, good "Bob." When we think of Sherlock Holmes, of COURSE the first
> things that come to mind are guns, martial arts, and explosions. (With
> the way we see that occult pentacle and coffin displayed, I wouldn't
> be surprised if there's a vampire in the movie, too.) I guess it's too
> boring to make a Hollywood movie about a guy who makes logical
> deductions in order to catch the villains?
>
> And (to Phineas Narco), with the way that movie's trying to be
> steampunk, I wouldn't be surprised if there IS a helicopter chase in
> it.
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michael
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0988045/ . So I guess we're getting his normal
stuff.
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Rev.Dr. LoBotomy
Yes, I'm glad Sir Arthur Conan Doyle was finished with Holmes by the time
he started seeing fairies in the garden.
Radix Lecti Artemia Salina
> Official trailer for the "new" Sherlock Holmes movie:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUQbmFAE5WI
>
> Oh, good "Bob."
I don't see what your complaint is. This new film appears to be faithful
to Sir Arthur Conan Rathbone's original _Abbott and Costello meet
Sherlock Holmes/Sherlock Holmes: The Adventure of the Frankenstein
Monster/Sherlock Holmes and the Plague of Dracula_ trilogy, except for
the Abbott and Costello/Frankenstein's Monster/Dracula part.
I think, however, the determining factor in assessing the final quality
of this rendering hinges on who plays Mr. Magoo, which has not been made
public yet. I'm hoping it's Jim Carrey.
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Mgr Dry Martini
> Official trailer for the "new" Sherlock Holmes movie:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUQbmFAE5WI
>
> things that come to mind are guns, martial arts, and explosions. (With
> the way we see that occult pentacle and coffin displayed, I wouldn't
> be surprised if there's a vampire in the movie, too.) I guess it's too
> boring to make a Hollywood movie about a guy who makes logical
> deductions in order to catch the villains?
>
> And (to Phineas Narco), with the way that movie's trying to be
> steampunk, I wouldn't be surprised if there IS a helicopter chase in
> it.
Where's the Cocaine? (Then available over the counter in all reputable
pharmacies). Conan Doyle's character favoured a 10% solution,
administered by injection.
just john
Downey COULD do a good Holmes, but I doubt any director who hired him
would let him.
My favorite one so far is Jeremy Brett. (That excludes the comedies. I
loved Michael Caine in "Without A Clue.")
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Paul Jamison
"just john" <teuy...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
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> Paul Jamison wrote:
[snip my stuff]
>>
>> Robert Downey Jr. doesn't look a damn thing like Holmes. The whole
>> rational explanation thing is probably going to get kicked out the door
>> for booga-booga crap. I'm not looking forward to this.
>>
>> (Oh, yeah, there was a film some years back called "Young Sherlock
>> Holmes". It had a flying machine. I've never watched ti, either.)
>>
> Downey COULD do a good Holmes, but I doubt any director who hired him
> would let him.
Probably not. What I was getting at, assuming I hadn't made it clear, was
that Hollywood has no clue, har, har.
>
> My favorite one so far is Jeremy Brett. (That excludes the comedies. I
> loved Michael Caine in "Without A Clue.")
>
Good taste, that man. Brett was a benchmark Holmes. It wasn't just the look,
but the mannerisms. Brett's Holmes was not a nice man, but neither was
Doyle's, if one paid attention.
And I do agree about Caine, but then, it's Michael Caine. What else would
you expect?
Then there's "The Seven-per-Cent Solution". That was an interesting take on
the character.
Dr. Watson is also a hard one to cast. Everyone remembers the idiot that
Nigel Bruce played. But he didn't come across as stupid in the stories -
which he supposedly wrote himself - and was no slouch in the deductive
reasoning department. Getting back to "Without A Clue", Ben Kingsley made a
terrific Watson.
Who's gonna play Watson in this potential stinker? [Checks IMDB] Jude Law?
Hmmmm... interesting choice.
*sigh* And somebody plays Irene Adler. Of course.
Paul Jamison
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I was going to avoid referring to the fourteen-year-old-boy demographic
because I was suffering from the delusion that Hollywood had maybe learned
its lesson. Silly me.
That probably means we'll see tits, too.
Evelyn Leeper
According to "The Sign of Four", it was 7%.
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Evelyn Leeper
> Who's gonna play Watson in this potential stinker? [Checks IMDB] Jude Law?
> Hmmmm... interesting choice.
Who is more my idea of Holmes than Watson--his level of detachment, I
suppose.
Russell Watson
<e...@NOSEPAMdrlobotomy.net> wrote:
And believing in Spiritualism lock, stock and barrel. The book _The
Secret Life of Houdini, the Making of America's First Superhero_
details how Houdini and Doyle started as friends but eventually became
bitter enemies over the Spiritualism craze. Meanwhile, it claims that
in the early days of their acquaintance Houdini would show Doyle a bit
of sleight of hand and Doyle was convinced that Houdini could actually
perform supernatural feats even when Houdini would tell him no, it was
a trick and show him how it was done. Claims Doyle was so gullible he
even thought the "Look! I can detach my thumb!" thing was real.
XODDI
I liked Peter Cushing. Very British, very precise, very sharp. But I liked
his Van Helsing for the same reasons.
just john
>
> I liked Peter Cushing. Very British, very precise, very sharp. But I
> liked his Van Helsing for the same reasons.
Using that thinking, how about Val Kilmer as Holmes, considering his Doc
Holliday in _Tombstone_?
Both characters combine startling precision with don't-give-a-damn,
albeit in vastly different ways.
XODDI
> XODDI wrote:
>
>>
>> I liked Peter Cushing. Very British, very precise, very sharp. But I
>> liked his Van Helsing for the same reasons.
>
> Using that thinking, how about Val Kilmer as Holmes, considering his Doc
> Holliday in _Tombstone_?
>
> Both characters combine startling precision with don't-give-a-damn, albeit
> in vastly different ways.
In a similar vein, what do you think about this:
James Purefoy (Marc Antony - "Rome") as Howards Puritan adventurer.
I think it's inspired casting meself.
XODDI
"Rev.Dr. LoBotomy" <e...@NOSEPAMdrlobotomy.net> wrote in message
I can.
He'll need to call his sponsor to see if the movie will damage his sobriety.
Russell Watson
wrote:
>Official trailer for the "new" Sherlock Holmes movie:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUQbmFAE5WI
>
>Oh, good "Bob." When we think of Sherlock Holmes, of COURSE the first
>things that come to mind are guns, martial arts, and explosions. (With
>the way we see that occult pentacle and coffin displayed, I wouldn't
>be surprised if there's a vampire in the movie, too.) I guess it's too
>boring to make a Hollywood movie about a guy who makes logical
>deductions in order to catch the villains?
>
>And (to Phineas Narco), with the way that movie's trying to be
>steampunk, I wouldn't be surprised if there IS a helicopter chase in
>it.
This smells of one of those things that will have a preamble that says
something like: "You've known the legend for years. Now here's the
REAL story..."
Russell Watson
Only Van Helsing is supposed to be Dutch...
just john
I'm unfamiliar with that whole mythos, which is fun, like having a stack
of unread books handy for when you need 'em.
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
And of course, you *can* make that kind of case for Holmes:
http://www.hardcasecrime.com/books_bios.cgi?entry=bk63
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just john <teuy...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
> My favorite one so far is Jeremy Brett. (That excludes the comedies. I
> loved Michael Caine in "Without A Clue.")
So, it's OK to have comedy versions but not action versions?
And speaking of alternate universes, nobody seemed to mind moving Holmes
into the 20th century to fight Nazis.
Invid Fan
Steele <ws...@cornell.edu> wrote:
> In article <J96dneMc0sTBnJLW...@giganews.com>,
> just john <teuy...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>
> > My favorite one so far is Jeremy Brett. (That excludes the comedies. I
> > loved Michael Caine in "Without A Clue.")
>
> So, it's OK to have comedy versions but not action versions?
>
There's a fine line between mocking and trashing a character :)
> And speaking of alternate universes, nobody seemed to mind moving Holmes
> into the 20th century to fight Nazis.
One can always argue that the stories were intended to take place
"now", so maybe should be updated. But, yes, purists probably do hate
those films :)
just john
However, at least in a few shots, Downey does look appropriately
disreputable.
Evelyn Leeper
This one does. Well, not "hate", but not like nearly as much.
Paul Jamison
"Rev.Dr. LoBotomy" <e...@NOSEPAMdrlobotomy.net> wrote in message
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>
>> Official trailer for the "new" Sherlock Holmes movie:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUQbmFAE5WI
>>
>> Oh, good "Bob." When we think of Sherlock Holmes, of COURSE the first
>> things that come to mind are guns, martial arts, and explosions. (With
>> the way we see that occult pentacle and coffin displayed, I wouldn't be
>> surprised if there's a vampire in the movie, too.) I guess it's too
>> boring to make a Hollywood movie about a guy who makes logical
>> deductions in order to catch the villains?
>>
>> And (to Phineas Narco), with the way that movie's trying to be
>> steampunk, I wouldn't be surprised if there IS a helicopter chase in it.
>
Paul
Paul Jamison
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> Invid Fan wrote:
>> In article <ws21-15491B.1...@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu>, Bill
>> Steele <ws...@cornell.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <J96dneMc0sTBnJLW...@giganews.com>,
>>> just john <teuy...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My favorite one so far is Jeremy Brett. (That excludes the comedies.
>>>> I loved Michael Caine in "Without A Clue.")
>>> So, it's OK to have comedy versions but not action versions?
>> There's a fine line between mocking and trashing a character :)
>>
>>> And speaking of alternate universes, nobody seemed to mind moving Holmes
>>> into the 20th century to fight Nazis.
>>
>> One can always argue that the stories were intended to take place
>> "now", so maybe should be updated. But, yes, purists probably do hate
>> those films :)
>>
>
> This one does. Well, not "hate", but not like nearly as much.
>
There were some good moments in the movies he was in. Having said that, I
can remember the first time I watched one of them, many years ago. Holmes
began talking about smuggling microfilm. That was quite jarring, although I
got used to it. I never was comfortable with the switch to the 20th Century.
For Holmes, it is always 1895.
Paul Jamison
>> In article <ws21-15491B.1...@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu>, Bill
>> Steele <ws...@cornell.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <J96dneMc0sTBnJLW...@giganews.com>,
>>> just john <teuy...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My favorite one so far is Jeremy Brett. (That excludes the comedies.
>>>> I loved Michael Caine in "Without A Clue.")
>>> So, it's OK to have comedy versions but not action versions?
>> There's a fine line between mocking and trashing a character :)
>>
>>> And speaking of alternate universes, nobody seemed to mind moving Holmes
>>> into the 20th century to fight Nazis.
>>
>> One can always argue that the stories were intended to take place
>> "now", so maybe should be updated. But, yes, purists probably do hate
>> those films :)
>>
>
> This one does. Well, not "hate", but not like nearly as much.
>
Paul Jamison
>> In article <ws21-15491B.1...@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu>, Bill
>> Steele <ws...@cornell.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <J96dneMc0sTBnJLW...@giganews.com>,
>>> just john <teuy...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My favorite one so far is Jeremy Brett. (That excludes the comedies.
>>>> I loved Michael Caine in "Without A Clue.")
>>> So, it's OK to have comedy versions but not action versions?
>> There's a fine line between mocking and trashing a character :)
>>
>>> And speaking of alternate universes, nobody seemed to mind moving Holmes
>>> into the 20th century to fight Nazis.
>>
>> One can always argue that the stories were intended to take place
>> "now", so maybe should be updated. But, yes, purists probably do hate
>> those films :)
>>
>
> This one does. Well, not "hate", but not like nearly as much.
>
AZ Nomad
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>Robert Downey Jr. doesn't look a damn thing like Holmes. The whole rational
>explanation thing is probably going to get kicked out the door for
>booga-booga crap. I'm not looking forward to this.
>(Oh, yeah, there was a film some years back called "Young Sherlock Holmes".
>It had a flying machine. I've never watched ti, either.)
>Paul
The new sherlock holmes sounds like satire. It's not far from Wierd
Al's "Gandhi II": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfvLcozLwtE
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
IIRC, he and Nigel Bruce started with "The Hound of the Baskervilles", which
*was* a period piece, and is usually regarded as quite good. The modernized
ones came later.
Avoid normal situations.
> "just john" <teuy...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
> news:J96dneMc0sTBnJLW...@giganews.com...
[..]
> I liked Peter Cushing. Very British, very precise, very sharp. But I liked
> his Van Helsing for the same reasons.
While we're discussing British horror stars as Holmes, I like Christopher
Lee as a 1910 Holmes in _Sherlock Holmes and the Leading Lady_. I liked
Patrick Macnee as Watson and Morgan Fairchild (yes, Morgan Fairchild) as
Irene Adler, too.
FWIW that movie is on Hulu.com, and, if you haven't seen it, I recommend
giving it a look while Hulu is still free (which its staff promise is not
for very long).
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the secret of invention: be alone, that is when ideas are born."
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Divine Ma-Schematic
> "It is providential that the youth or man of inventive mind is not 'blessed'
> with a million dollars. The mind is sharper and keener in seclusion and
> uninterrupted solitude. Originality thrives in seclusion free of outside
> influences beating upon us to cripple the creative mind. Be alone -- that is
> the secret of invention: be alone, that is when ideas are born."
> -- Nikolai Tesla
what about greed, when considering venture capital. It does not take a
Sherlock Holmes to figure out that TRUST funds can go a long way, to
provide OR deprive, through their lack thereof. Watson was called in
on the case and reported their lack as a willfull philantropic move,
to reflect HATE towards all TRULY ground-splitting INSIGHT. But then
again, Holmes was paid to investigate the same old CONSPIRACY. Only a
fool would deny its FIENDISH CLEVERNESS. Praise "Bob" for providing
with better things than genius, at least temporarily. He loves us for
not merging with the conspiracy's implanted IDEA of SENSE.
Rob Cypher aka "The Anti-Bob"
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>In rec.arts.movies.current-films XODDI <roo...@loa.com> wrote:
>> "just john" <teuy...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:J96dneMc0sTBnJLW...@giganews.com...
>
> [..]
>
>> I liked Peter Cushing. Very British, very precise, very sharp. But I liked
>> his Van Helsing for the same reasons.
>
> While we're discussing British horror stars as Holmes, I like Christopher
>Lee as a 1910 Holmes in _Sherlock Holmes and the Leading Lady_. I liked
>Patrick Macnee as Watson and Morgan Fairchild (yes, Morgan Fairchild) as
>Irene Adler, too.
>
> FWIW that movie is on Hulu.com, and, if you haven't seen it, I recommend
>giving it a look while Hulu is still free (which its staff promise is not
>for very long).
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> Hey what's up guy, long time no see. Remember that time on alt.flame when
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where should we start?
Ala
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Maybe it's "Doylesian".
There are a few newsgroups around that consider Scooby-Doo cartoons
appropriate as reference citations. Or so I have been told.