Will it be rated PG?

[RichA]

Will it still have the rape scene? Or will it be like the "Bad
Lieutenant" remake?
I don't care about the rape scene, but the bear trap over the guy's
head has GOT to be in it.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0999913/

[moviePig]

Those things worked in the original because they shocked us... which
(assuming Lurie's not making an homage) means that they should be
replaced...

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[nick]

On Dec 31 2009, 10:52 pm, moviePig <pwall...@moviepig.com> wrote:
> On Dec 31, 8:55 pm, RichA <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Will it still have the rape scene?  Or will it be like the "Bad
> > Lieutenant" remake?
> > I don't care about the rape scene, but the bear trap over the guy's
> > head has GOT to be in it.
>
> >http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0999913/
>
> Those things worked in the original because they shocked us... which
> (assuming Lurie's not making an homage) means that they should be
> replaced...
>

Setting aside the Straw Dogs comparision and looking instead at the
Bad Lieutenant remake (which I haven't seen yet despite the top of the
charts popularity of the pirate DVD in this neck of the woods) I'm not
sure Rod Lurie and James Marsden have the same capacity to shock as
Werner Herzog and Nic Cage.

[MFalc1]

Apparently the rape is still included. What Lurie did is to make
Marsden a screenwriter
in the American South.

Mark L. Falconer
http://www.youtube.com/terrymcca
http://www.poetry-arts-confidential.blogspot.com

[MFalc1]

Think of BAD LIEUTENANT: PORT OF CALL NEW ORLEANS
as something resembling THE MISSOURI BREAKS--with Cage
instead of Brando.

[moviePig]

On Jan 1, 6:43 pm, MFalc1 <mfa...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Dec 31 2009, 7:52 pm, moviePig <pwall...@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 31, 8:55 pm, RichA <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Will it still have the rape scene?  Or will it be like the "Bad
> > > Lieutenant" remake?
> > > I don't care about the rape scene, but the bear trap over the guy's
> > > head has GOT to be in it.
>
> > >http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0999913/
>
> > Those things worked in the original because they shocked us... which
> > (assuming Lurie's not making an homage) means that they should be
> > replaced...
>

> Apparently the rape is still included.  What Lurie did is to make
> Marsden a screenwriter
> in the American South.

Well, I hate to mince positions, but... I think the discriminant's
gonna be whether the rape's still anal. The rape itself was somewhat
key to the plot, but using the servant's entrance was pure frisson...

[moviePig]

Lurie has made his mark (for me) with intelligent films whose
emotional punch stems from tensions of principle. So, no, I don't
know what he's doing here in the first place ...but I sure *hope* he's
not emulating Peckinpah. (Marsden may be a fine actor, but, with that
face, we may never know...)

[nick]

Marsden was fine in that sinking ship of a movie The Box. The problem
I have with a Straw Dog remake is the key to the appeal of the
original was Peckinpah and Hoffman working that premise--the weedy
American liberal academic who thinks he can excape the violence of the
US by escaping to the English countryside. Relocating the action to
the American south--even if it is correct to the novel--lacks the
punch because we already know what happens to city folk in movies who
wind up in rural America. They either have a folksy charming time
dealing with the culture shock (eg Meet the Morgans) or they wind up
at the mercy of everything from redneck cops to crazed inbred mutant
cannibal hillbillies. What do you want to bet that this remake has a
Sarah Palin joke or two?

[moviePig]

If only to support the side of the angels, I'll take that bet ...at
least to the extent that my future expectations of Lurie would then
require severe downward revision. Was the novel set in 'Deliverance'
country? Regardless, although Peckinpah's movie got its thrills from
watching Hoffman's matchstick persona go under the heel of raw human
nature, there was also his character's noble rite of passage (...all
Sam, afaik). And -- despite our recall of SD as a violence icon -- if
Lurie doesn't retain, and maybe augment, that sort of visceral
philosophizing, then I'll be disappointed.

[nick]

I'm surprised no one's ever reversed the motif and had a civilized
Southern protaganist going to the big city for whatever reason and
finding horror amongst the cosmopolitan upper-classes.

[moviePig]

COOGAN'S BLUFF doesn't qualify, so I guess they haven't... at least
not without all the sophisticates eventually going prostrate before
the hick homespun saint...