Two Lovers
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it until I found it on my local library DVD shelf. Joaquin Phoenix was
fantastic, but the film didn't show enough of his ambivalence, if
ambivalence plays into the surprise ending. I mean that his final
choice seems as impulsive as everything else about his character.
Some critics at Rotten Tomatoes argue that the film illustrates his
bipolar disorder very well, but in order to accomplish that, there
would have to be some proof he cared at all about the life that the
other "lover" represents.
Sir Blob
goes to show how splendidly ironic and anti interpretive cinema is.
two lovers is crap
moviePig
Blob, I, and others hammered this one out pretty hard. (I liked it a
lot.)
(That JP 'cared' about both lives *immensely* is a given. He's
bipolar.)
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> Blob, I, and others hammered this one out pretty hard. (I liked it a
> lot.)
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yblknhd
Really great thread! I enjoyed it, all around. Thanks for the URL.
> (That JP 'cared' about both lives *immensely* is a given. He's
> bipolar.)
Beg to disagree with you here. If you say that the viewer should
*infer* he cared about his home life, it would have been really cool
to see it. No, I'm afraid this movie doesn't make four stars because
it really is all about Paltrow. Really. In fact, it wasn't until I
read reviews, which I routinely do AFTER seeing a film, that I
realized the title referred to his Jewish girlfriend. I thought the
"two lovers" were Phoenix and Paltrow.
moviePig
> On Dec 31 2009, 9:06 am, moviePig <pwall...@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Blob, I, and others hammered this one out pretty hard. (I liked it a
> > lot.)
>
> > http://tinyurl.com/yblknhd
>
> Really great thread! I enjoyed it, all around. Thanks for the URL.
>
> > (That JP 'cared' about both lives *immensely* is a given. He's
> > bipolar.)
>
> Beg to disagree with you here. If you say that the viewer should
> *infer* he cared about his home life, it would have been really cool
> to see it. No, I'm afraid this movie doesn't make four stars because
> it really is all about Paltrow. Really. In fact, it wasn't until I
>
> which I routinely do AFTER seeing a film ...
...well, DUH!... (sarcasm aimed at passersby who think there's an
alternative)
> that I
> realized the title referred to his Jewish girlfriend. I thought the
> "two lovers" were Phoenix and Paltrow.
Don't discount my epiphany that his 'two lovers' were his manic phase
(Paltrow, romance, and wild abandon) and his depressive one (Jewish
gf, reality, and sedate stability) ...of which the wimmen were merely
a symbolic part.
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>
> Don't discount my epiphany that his 'two lovers' were his manic phase
> (Paltrow, romance, and wild abandon) and his depressive one (Jewish
> gf, reality, and sedate stability) ...of which the wimmen were merely
> a symbolic part.
Yes, yes. That would explain the movie's power *despite* the lack of
any development on the home front with his mother and father, or in
the "relationship" (NOT) with Sondra(?).
This was really an unforgettable film, and I think you hit the nail on
the head about why it should be unforgettable when one entire side of
his life was completely neglected. That other side is inferred
emotionally, at the beginning and at the end.
I did feel, at the big reveal, a bit sick, as if a murder-suicide
might occur that night...or the beginning of the life story of a titan
of the dry-cleaning industry. It was that unclear and that good.