George Maloney pretends to want to talk about EVERYTHING EVERYONE does...
Catherine
My intended audience will weigh for themselves who is modeling the
behavior of someone victimized and surviving such youthful influences,
and those who wish to cover for EVERYONE and EVERYTHING they have
done, are, and intend to keep on doing.
Further, you will have to 'splain why all the interest in me, both on
and off the net, while you ignore (and probably applaud) exploitation
of young people sexually, musically, and for your own selfish career
interests, to the detriment of drum and bugle corps, ethical pedogogy,
music, truth and building a genre which honors and continues its
patriotic American roots - of why genuine drum & bugle corps was
perverted into just another form of high-priced, competitive marching
band... of why DCIA DEPENDS upon corrupting and exploiting historic
drum & bugle corps and STILL cannot make anything of itself, on DCIA's
merits.
Sometime some years ago, a RAMD poster asked me why I did not
recognize the way the world works. We happen to have larger issues,
making what has happened to drum and bugle corps easier to see. In
fact, drum and bugle corps, being a celebration of community
patriotism as well as a pool of young, vulnerable talent, has been
targeted since before I was born from what I can tell. There are no
longer networks of positive community musical groups which serve to
expand those of integrity. They have been taken over. And yes, the
corrupted part of this world DOES work this way, I will grant that
writer that point.
That way is not anything anyone worth listening to will promote. NO
ONE every promoted such to me when I was young - and yet some of those
very people post here and are still active in DCIA. Wayne Downey
praised his devotion to educational ethics the last time I spoke with
him in 2000. He was lying, and I did not realize it. I realize it
now. That was my failing, and most decent people do not attack those
who have such a failing. For those of you still being lied to and
buying it, you will know these people by their tolerance for lies and
attacks, particularly when they stand by for organized lies and
attacks. In fact, the very break with Downey occurred when I
confronted him over someone else being attacked. I no longer see
attacks on people as spoken by well-intentioned instructors, but as
evidence.
Maloney, amongst others, may pretend that he doesn't understand how
someone could have lived through what I did and not been touched by
the corruptive evil. In fact, much of the reason I was attacked is
because I could not be corrupted. Predators corrupt. If they cannot
corrupt, they use. If they cannot use, they destroy. The history of
DCIA demonstrates all this. And DCIA is simply one corner of this
world.
Not that any of those instructors of mine ever discussed these
methodologies, just as they never discussed the values of what was
being discarded nor what it meant. Unlike the good teacher I just
posted about - a sort of teacher than knows that anything worth doing
must be fought for and defended. The reason I have been able to
witness what I did of EVERYTHING was that I am not a part of that
evil. I was deluded, because I did not resonate to it. If I had, I
would have been indoctrinated and been right up there with all the
others in DCIA. EVERYONE would have been happy to have my talent to
use in EVERYTHING they do.
The sad thing is, George, is that you know all this and are lying
about it with EVERY word you write. We all have faults, George. But
whatever the past, whatever the past of those I criticize, I am out
her doing what I do. You expend your energy attacking me (and no
doubt others), using lies to attack me while ignoring those who were,
are and intend to remain guilty, with full knowledge and intention of
the fraud. That alone undercuts you. I am not anyone special; I am
just one of the many who genuinely love drum & bugle corps. But my
words, and what I support ARE special.
Your words imply I am not someone to be listened to, but your
continued attention to me over years, now, proves you DO believe I am
someone that my intended audience may well listen to. You betray your
guilt, and prove what I say, through your style and methodologies
alone. When my intended audience takes the time to examine just the
archives of RAMD (and DCP as well, given the related backgrounds), all
quite public (DCP's reality, like that of DCIA, unfortunately, is
greatly hidden and lied about), then at least others will have more of
a chance than I ever had.
I will not attempt to persuade ANYONE of EVERYONE, because I know you
will never change. EVERYONE in DCIA must be stopped, like any
predator must be stopped. You will never stop on your own accord.
Meanwhile, DCIA will continue to recruit and attempt to expand its
cancer. In doing so, many will say how much they agree with me - in
private.
I say to my intended audience, anyone who speaks positively IN MY NAME
is a LIAR. Let them speak for themselves, openly, for themselves, in
front of all audiences. If they do not, while they stand by for,
enable and work with those who attack me, then they prove all that I
say.
And to that earlier poster, the world is also changing. People are
discussing "Rules for Radicals", lies and liars, manipulative
methodologies and the like. People are discussing the destruction of
community patriotism, and the people involved. Each person gets to
choose whome and what they will support. People of genuine character
will do one thing and live consistently, and the mediocrities
another. Whether the topic is music, faith, teaching, friendships or
anything else, the principles are consistent - for success which has
meaning or failure covered and enabled by fraud. You get to choose.
I knew it wouldn't take long to reintroduce myself and my long-term
plans to the DCIA fraud. Am so glad (not really) EVERYONE didn't
disappoint in their manipulative trolling, the only area DCIA has ever
really been an innovator in - another thing genuine drum & bugle corps
could have better done without.
-- Catherine`
flu...@msn.com
> So lets talk about it, shall we?
Absolutely...but you won't answer truthfully or completely as you
never do.
>
> My intended audience will weigh for themselves who is modeling the
> behavior of someone victimized and surviving such youthful influences,
> and those who wish to cover for EVERYONE and EVERYTHING they have
> done, are, and intend to keep on doing.
There is nothing wrong with calling out those who have harmed you and
or others in D&BC either now or years ago. But it needs to be done
with facts that are clear, concise and most of all true. It's the size
of the paint brush you use that bugs me. EVERYONE isn't a pedophile or
gold digger. EVERYONE isn't using or exploiting children. ALL teachers
are not criminals. Your generalizations are applauding to all the
teachers who don't touch the kids or the money. The overwhelming
majority of people involved are good people. Yet...You want kudos for
recognizing one...and slamming the "MANY" as you say. "Fair and
Balanced" my ass.
>
> Further, you will have to 'splain why all the interest in me, both on
> and off the net, while you ignore (and probably applaud) exploitation
> of young people sexually, musically, and for your own selfish career
> interests,
Easy...you just summed it up for yourself. How dare you say I ignore
and applaud such behavior. You do this ALL the time. It's this
slanderous, sleazily, innuendo ridden posting that defines you. By the
way...I'm a Carpenter...just so you understand my career isn't
effected by Yamaha or Pearl. The interest is in keeping you
honest...no small task.
to the detriment of drum and bugle corps, ethical pedogogy,
> music, truth and building a genre which honors and continues its
> patriotic American roots - of why genuine drum & bugle corps was
> perverted into just another form of high-priced, competitive marching
> band... of why DCIA DEPENDS upon corrupting and exploiting historic
> drum & bugle corps and STILL cannot make anything of itself, on DCIA's
> merits.
and the rest of your long winded, generic, predictable, agenda laden
rant...is just more of the problem... Big giant brush with very little
paint...Water colors in the rain at best, if you will.
Try color by numbers with a smaller brush if you want to be taken
seriously by any audience...intended or not.
>
> Sometime some years ago, a RAMD poster asked me why I did not
> recognize the way the world works. We happen to have larger issues,
> making what has happened to drum and bugle corps easier to see. In
> fact, drum and bugle corps, being a celebration of community
> patriotism as well as a pool of young, vulnerable talent, has been
> targeted since before I was born from what I can tell. There are no
> longer networks of positive community musical groups which serve to
> expand those of integrity. They have been taken over. And yes, the
> corrupted part of this world DOES work this way, I will grant that
> writer that point.
Such a grim view...the glass is empty.
>
> That way is not anything anyone worth listening to will promote. NO
> ONE every promoted such to me when I was young - and yet some of those
> very people post here and are still active in DCIA. Wayne Downey
> praised his devotion to educational ethics the last time I spoke with
> him in 2000. He was lying, and I did not realize it. I realize it
> now. That was my failing, and most decent people do not attack those
> who have such a failing. For those of you still being lied to and
> buying it, you will know these people by their tolerance for lies and
> attacks, particularly when they stand by for organized lies and
> attacks. In fact, the very break with Downey occurred when I
> confronted him over someone else being attacked. I no longer see
> attacks on people as spoken by well-intentioned instructors, but as
> evidence.
Good...now produce some. Substance over innuendo is the key.
>
> Maloney, amongst others, may pretend that he doesn't understand how
> someone could have lived through what I did and not been touched by
> the corruptive evil. In fact, much of the reason I was attacked is
> because I could not be corrupted. Predators corrupt. If they cannot
> corrupt, they use. If they cannot use, they destroy. The history of
> DCIA demonstrates all this. And DCIA is simply one corner of this
> world.
I understand you must have been hurt and I've said this to you many
times. It's you who pretends yours is the only experience that
matters. You prove it once again by grouping EVERYONE together...as if
your experience is the only experience available. It's just not true.
>
> Not that any of those instructors of mine ever discussed these
> methodologies, just as they never discussed the values of what was
> being discarded nor what it meant. Unlike the good teacher I just
> posted about - a sort of teacher than knows that anything worth doing
> must be fought for and defended.
Exactly. I defend teachers because there are so many great ones. I
defend DC because it is still a great activity. ALL the people
involved in music are not corrupt. What is your profession and what is
the percentage of pedophiles employed?
The reason I have been able to
> witness what I did of EVERYTHING was that I am not a part of that
> evil. I was deluded, because I did not resonate to it. If I had, I
> would have been indoctrinated and been right up there with all the
> others in DCIA. EVERYONE would have been happy to have my talent to
> use in EVERYTHING they do.
So you tried to be an insider/big shot and failed. Sounds like sour
grapes to me...maybe it's the lack of details of your story that leads
me this conclusion.
>
> The sad thing is, George, is that you know all this and are lying
> about it with EVERY word you write. We all have faults, George. But
> whatever the past, whatever the past of those I criticize, I am out
> her doing what I do. You expend your energy attacking me (and no
> doubt others), using lies to attack me while ignoring those who were,
> are and intend to remain guilty, with full knowledge and intention of
> the fraud. That alone undercuts you. I am not anyone special; I am
> just one of the many who genuinely love drum & bugle corps. But my
> words, and what I support ARE special.
Who and what am I lying about? It's these details you never mention
that gives your posts no creditability. Work on that and get back to
me.
If you have proof and information that would stop pedophiles...you
should produce it to the proper authorities or be labeled an
"Enabler". Being a town crier and re-posting news clips isn't helping
anyone. Turn guilty people in and stop slandering innocent people.
Again...a smaller brush with more paint is needed.
>
> Your words imply I am not someone to be listened to, but your
> continued attention to me over years, now, proves you DO believe I am
> someone that my intended audience may well listen to. You betray your
> guilt, and prove what I say, through your style and methodologies
> alone.
My guilt over what? Loosely placed vague innuendos aren't working for
you and are proof of nothing more than your quest for attention, which
I am happy to supply when needed.(I should be charging you by the Hr)
When my intended audience takes the time to examine just the
> archives of RAMD (and DCP as well, given the related backgrounds), all
> quite public (DCP's reality, like that of DCIA, unfortunately, is
> greatly hidden and lied about), then at least others will have more of
> a chance than I ever had.
Your audience is seriously lacking a voice other than your own. Just
so you know...
>
> I will not attempt to persuade ANYONE of EVERYONE, because I know you
> will never change. EVERYONE in DCIA must be stopped, like any
> predator must be stopped. You will never stop on your own accord.
> Meanwhile, DCIA will continue to recruit and attempt to expand its
> cancer. In doing so, many will say how much they agree with me - in
> private.
Good for you...you and your imaginary friends are making progress.
>
> I say to my intended audience, anyone who speaks positively IN MY NAME
> is a LIAR. Let them speak for themselves, openly, for themselves, in
> front of all audiences. If they do not, while they stand by for,
> enable and work with those who attack me, then they prove all that I
> say.
So if people don't agree with and defend your agenda...they prove
you're right?
This explains a lot.
>
> And to that earlier poster, the world is also changing. People are
> discussing "Rules for Radicals", lies and liars, manipulative
> methodologies and the like. People are discussing the destruction of
> community patriotism, and the people involved. Each person gets to
> choose whome and what they will support. People of genuine character
> will do one thing and live consistently, and the mediocrities
> another. Whether the topic is music, faith, teaching, friendships or
> anything else, the principles are consistent - for success which has
> meaning or failure covered and enabled by fraud. You get to choose.
>
> I knew it wouldn't take long to reintroduce myself and my long-term
> plans to the DCIA fraud.
BINGO...link all things sinister with DC, music, teachers...nothing
good ever happens here... Beginning and ending of your agenda.
Am so glad (not really) EVERYONE didn't
> disappoint in their manipulative trolling, the only area DCIA has ever
> really been an innovator in - another thing genuine drum & bugle corps
> could have better done without.
Feel free to include yourself in your closing remarks as they resemble
you so well.
>
> -- Catherine`
Michael Ricci
Catherine, between you and Colonel Jake this group has gone entirely
to shit! Why don't you go post on some loser's group, leave us drum
corps fans alone. What the hell makes you think that anyone on here
want's to read this shit???
Colonel Jake
Michael Ricci <mr2...@aol.com>
<c603a975-3e7c-4cbc...@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>
:
: Catherine <cather...@yahoo.com>
<e1a8dffa-a61e-4acc...@j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>
: >
: > So lets talk about it, shall we?
<snecked for brevity>
: > -- Catherine`
:
: Catherine, between you and Colonel Jake this group has gone
: entirely to shit! Why don't you go post on some loser's
: group, leave us drum corps<SLAP>
*its band corps to you Mickey boi>
: fans alone. What the hell makes
: you think that anyone on here want's to read this shit???
:
Whatz FUCKING wrong? (Mickey),
"You dont like, my 'FUCKING-NEWSGROUP?!?!?! (RAMD),'
then go poast some'FUCKING'where else!!!..."
(FUCKUP-MuTHA-FUCKAZZ-BAND-CORPS-FUCKER)
*while I remove my steeltoe REDWING boOt from out'cher FUCKING-FACE*
Catherine
After reading this and being struck by the Mike Davis-like format as
well as a more reasonable response than Mr. Fluty usually gives me, I
was gonna respond. Not that I particularly wanted to, but more for
any newer members of my intended audience. However, the inconsistency
of attitude got to me early on. Difficult to have a discussion with
someone who is lying to you and merely hopes to elicit information for
further manipulative attempts.
If I've learned anything of EVERYTHING from the past 10 years of RAMD/
the Blue Devils' list, I should have learned that - particularly after
I learned how pedophile networks have so well honed that playbook.
So instead, I thought it would be more instructive to REPOST one of
Mr. Fluty's past posts, to put this one in perspective. The more one
reviews those, the more his responses of today get put into
perspective - and can be understood, even by the relative newbie:
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
From: "Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com>
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:34:11 GMT
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Mr. Fluty --
I don't take anything you write seriously. The fact that you want to
engage me as
you do yer other two favorites here? Now, there's a revealing
manipulation...
You do attempt to clean up yer act here a bit. But such is as phony
as you are.
Since you think John Zimny and Wayne Downey are so very wonderful, go
ask them about
Harvey Berish, Dave Schaafsma, and broken promises et al. Given yer
deep and sincere
concerns here about me and my posts. Any decent person who doesn't
already have a
clue hasta ask why it is you care so much.
Errand boy. Apologist. For cowards with things they must keep
private...
As for yer deep and sincere concerns about how to "help" me with my
own words and
interests... No need for you to waste any time on me. As I wrote,
someone like you
ain't gonna change any of my opinions - particularly when you continue
to keep
confirming them.
And since yer now changing yer tune - after how many decades on the
west coast? - and
showing some concern <yeah, riiiiiiiiiight - only in order to appear
reasonable for
the moment, ya phony> for these issues... well, thanks for that
continuing
notification from EVERYONE. I'd rather it were a genuine leaving drum
& bugle corps
alone - but I have long-term plans.
-- Catherine
<flu...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1122779478.7...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >CB wrote and I snip>
> Even so, we will only be damned if we continue to stand by for
> > the same old same old - even after the demise of all we have seen,
> > and the elevation of people like Berish and those who have stood
> > by for him all these years.
> Then Fluty responds:
> > I am not a fan of child molestation. Quite the opposite as I teach
> > them and love them.
> Child molesters? Freudian slip?
> This is exactly what I'm talking about CB. I teach children. I love
> children. I have children. But you twist it around some other way. So
> now I must be one of them. Shame on you. I agree with you. Child
> molesters should be shot. Period.
> My problem, which is why I possed the question in the first place, is
> that you having just found out this "information" yourself (yes I did
> the Megan search) keep calling people enablers, who didn't know this
> "information" or believe it, because of the messenger untill now. PKB
> NO? Why the name dropping and inuendos? You just did it to me and you
> don't even know me.
> > I'm not defending Haevey as I don't know him.
> Oh, yes you are.
> NO I'M NOT. I don't give a rats ass about this man. Period.
> There's enuff lying frauds and marketers to tell you whatchure
> doin'.
> So now I'm an enabler and or partner to all that's wrong with DC. I
> never made a dime from DC. I always taught and wrote for free. I don't
> hang out with Yamaha executives youknowwhatimean?
> You don't sincerely think you are going to alter my opinions in any
> way?
> No, but you know what they say about opinions and let's leave it at
> that.
> Thus, yer intended audience consists of others. Now, what do you think
> you are doing
> in <whatever it is you are doing>?
> Others? as in EVERYONE EEBUBBERY ENABLERS FRAUDS DCIA and all that
> JAZZ?
> Spare me.
> And people can either come clean about how shocked they are to have
> been so used, or
> they can choose to remain a part of intentional fraud which is now
> public by
> continuing to stand by for such liars and predators - and helping them
> out by
> attacking critics.
> I agree with you that people who know of children being abused or are
> abusing them are in the same boat. However most people do not share the
> same experiance as you or others who have witnessed kids being hurt. So
> maybe your message is being lost by all the smoke and mirrors most of
> your rants provide. Maybe when you mix in wayne downy and the rest of
> the cast along with every issue posted on ramd being directly linked to
> the down fall of DC and everyone who questions these rants to be
> enablers as well as a lack of clear facts and false accusations 90% of
> the time. You might be seen as the girl who cryed wolf or someone who
> has a one sided agenda.
> Just a thought.
> George
From: "Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com>
Message-ID: <8GKGe.836$6u5....@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:48:04 GMT
<flu...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1122689880.7...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > > Still nothing about how you were hoodwinked into
> > > enabling a child predator, eh? No? I didn't think so...
> > > -- Catherine
> > How many children march Renagades and how many of
> > them did Harvey molest?
> > George
I had written (not that Mr. Fluty is gonna be universally insulted for
his lack of
care in editing, even with all the sincere concerns about how one
presents one's
thoughts to the public on RAMD):
> Mr. Fluty? You need to go play with Messrs. Ream, Plawner
> and anyone else who finds you "interesting".
> Of you can keep digging.
> Unbelievable... Or at least it should be. I am amazed each time
> I see shit statements like this, and I of all people oughtta be used
> to such horrendous stupidity being hurled at the same time
> "excellence" and all the other fraudulent adjectives are being used
> to dress up said horrendous stupidity.
> After all, we were misled for years by much of the same bullshit -
> and because whatever decent people around us there were on the
> west coast didn't speak up, whether for selfish reasons or because
> they hoped for the best (even without any indications thereof, and
> plenty of indications to the contrary).
> Even so, we will only be damned if we continue to stand by for
> the same old same old - even after the demise of all we have seen,
> and the elevation of people like Berish and those who have stood
> by for him all these years.
Then Fluty responds:
> I am not a fan of child molestation. Quite the opposite as I teach
> them and love them.
Child molesters? Freudian slip?
> I'm not defending Haevey as I don't know him.
Oh, yes you are. There's enuff lying frauds and marketers to tell you
whatchure
doin'. You don't sincerely think you are going to alter my opinions
in any way?
Thus, yer intended audience consists of others. Now, what do you
think you are doing
in <whatever it is you are doing>?
> I also do not care if you find me "interesting"
> DITTO.
> But my question was and still is.
> How many children have been molested because of
> Lee's contact with Harvey Berish? What makes him
> an enabler of child molestation? Here's an other one:
> Didn't you know the man as well. Wouldn't that make
> you and anyone who knew him guilty as part of the
> problem you're passing off to everyone else?
> Ok. You can dance around the questions with a lot of
> EVERYONES and code letters. I really don't expect a
> straight answer.
> George
See the posts to Jeff Ream for part of your answer - not that someone
with such
selective reading skills as yerself will find all those straight
answers you are so
sincerely looking for.
I would find it amusing if it weren't such a pathetic reality that the
continuing
defenders and enablers (in fact, whether or not they admit intention)
of child
molesters will deny that fact - and yet attempt to jerk around people
with
consciences by admitting what they deny only to accuse critics.
Let's assume yer hypothetical - that those of us who were being lied
to about
Harvey's past (by Harvey and by anyone who knew better) have
collectively help
contribute to a child molester continuing in our midst. I will go
along with that
proposition. And that's why finally, laws and registries are being
developed to make
child molestation at least somewhat as much as an issue and accessible
as, say,
credit records. With all such implies... <thankew>
If such is true, then what does that say about all those people who
have stood by
these past few years and compounded the problem? Is such is true,
then what does
that say about the attempted elevation of Harvey Berish and the
network that enabled
him all these years - through Vince Lamb/Stuart Rice's "Symposium" and
the links
between RAMD and DCW? As well as Berish and Schaafsma's apparent
"enforcer" duties
in gathering information and in silencing critics?
We can't do much about the past now. If we could, I have a feeling
that DCI would've
not had as easy a time of it if we only knew then what we knew now...
If we could've
said to the blandos "drum corps aren't gonna get that money; marching
bands will"
when they pried us from the AL and VFW with promises of more of the
money "we" were
raising...
Just because we were being lied to then, and didn't realize it,
doesn't mean we can't
be "educated" and think for ourselves -- even though DCI's definitions
of "education"
means to suck down and parrot DCIA's brainwashing "in order to be
sucksessful".
For all I know, I might well have been one of those genuine drum corps
people
targeted in the 1970s - given how long such had already been going on
back then.
Given the depths of the lies about child molesters who were on tour
with us without
us knowing they were on probation (indeed, we were being told sumthin'
else), it's
not a stretch at all to realize what else we were being intentionally
lied to about.
And people can either come clean about how shocked they are to have
been so used, or
they can choose to remain a part of intentional fraud which is now
public by
continuing to stand by for such liars and predators - and helping them
out by
attacking critics.
Both DCI and DCA ought to be completely coming clean - if they
actually care about
saving drum & bugle corps, their fans, the alumni who have watched the
decimation of
what ought to be a flourishing and genuine drum & bugle corps
activity, and anything
relating to music and education or music education.
Or, they can continue to side with business interests and corporate
fraud - and child
molesters and those who continue to enable them as quite unfair
standards are
unfairly applied.
-- Catherine
Catherine
"Mr2857"? K...
Would you please mention when this lovely Usenet NG was not
excrement? Do you mean when Harvey Berish was hawking souvies and NO
ONE knew ANYONE (of EVERYONE or not) who had heard whom and what he
was? Or perhaps when David Schaafsma was "loudly" proclaiming
Harvey's innocence and integrity while bashing me? Perhaps it was
when George Dixon was attempting to destroy RAMD, before he (whomever
he is) "founded" drumcorpsplanet? Perhaps it was when Lee Rudnicki
was here, before he went over to DCP? Or perhaps it was ... well, you
can name yer time...
Quite interesting that you are so very upset by me, despite EVERYTHING
else which goes on here.
Tickets selling? After all, blando bandcorps isn't yer only
activity...
-- Catherine
flu...@msn.com
>
> > On Dec 13, 12:46 pm, Catherine <catherineb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > So lets talk about it, shall we?
>
> > Absolutely...but you won't answer truthfully or completely as you
> > never do.
So the bitch opens her mouth once again....says "lets talk" and runs
away with her tail between her legs. So very typical for this loser
bitch. She drops names and events from her checkered past...stirs up
the shit she wallows in and then paddles back up the creek and out of
site. Nice try with digging up e-mails that only prove how redundantly
ignorant as well as full of shit she really is.
So much for the real world hey...
Run away before someone drops a house on ya.
"The Great One"
"Colonel Jake" <Sergea...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> Michael Ricci <mr2...@aol.com>
>
> > : Catherine, between you and Colonel Jake this group has gone
> > : entirely to shit! Why don't you go post on some loser's
> >: group, leave us drum corps<SLAP>
>
> "You dont like, my 'FUCKING-NEWSGROUP:
> (Retards And Menstrating Dements)
>
> *while I jerk-off wearing my steeltoe REDWING boots
> --
> "Monkey-Boi" colon Jake
You just about summed that up !!
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John C.