Mr Poche?
ns787980
I would much rather be a friend than an adversary. But that's just
me.
Sharon
PS: I would NOT sacrifice my position that might be opposite to yours.
the OTHER Mike
Thank you Sharon.
For the most part I believe we both believe the same as far as true
drum & bugle corps has been bastardized and made into a commercial
enterprize instead of a real youth activity but so many times our
wording becomes misinterpeded via posting here.
I would rather be a friend also but sometimes my attempt at being a
comic smart ass gets me in trouble.
ns787980
I'm certain that we both "mean" the same things. And I'm glad that
there a one or two people HERE to write what they think and stick to
it.
Even George Maloney.
It's too bad that there were so many here. And now there isn't.
I'm glad to be critical of a genre that hasn't held up THEIR end of
the bargain that I accepted to be part of.
And in GENERAL? Those that no longer participate in an OPEN
discussion should be called out for what they are. BULL SHIT
ARTISTS. And should be called out anyway.
Sharon
flu...@msn.com
> On Nov 22, 1:37 am, the OTHER Mike <BleuRae...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 20, 11:40 pm, ns787980 <sharca...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > I do recognize that you have health problems.
>
> > > I would much rather be a friend than an adversary. But that's just
> > > me.
>
> > > Sharon
>
> > > PS: I would NOT sacrifice my position that might be opposite to yours.
>
> > Thank you Sharon.
> > For the most part I believe we both believe the same as far as true
> > drum & bugle corps has been bastardized and made into a commercial
> > enterprize instead of a real youth activity but so many times our
> > wording becomes misinterpeded via posting here.
>
> > I would rather be a friend also but sometimes my attempt at being a
> > comic smart ass gets me in trouble.
>
> I'm certain that we both "mean" the same things. And I'm glad that
> there a one or two people HERE to write what they think and stick to
> it.
>
> Even George Maloney.
I've gotta be me....I've gotta be me...what else can I be....
the OTHER Mike
>
> - Show quoted text -
I still check in "overthere" just to see if anything important is
being discussed and once in awhile make a post. The last one was a
tryout worried about privacy in the shower room. I could understand
the kid being modest etc. but it was interesting to read how many
people were the same way when they started.
I just wish they would call a spade a spade and call it Summer Honor
Marching Band International.
ns787980
As you should George.
I do recall you being a very active participant here. And as a matter
of fact, a pretty good one. That was AGES ago...
That's gone since you took after people that you disagreed with to a
level to scare off most posters that don't have a strong constitution
to not only disagree with you but have the nerve to.
Who can argue with that??
I have a strong constitution and nerve. There aren't many other
people HERE are there? Except - perhaps - some friends of yours?
Who wants to look at YOU condemning every single person that disagrees
with you OUT of existence HERE?
Let the people that write about drum and bugle corps (even if you
don't agree) write what they want. Argue with them on a PROFESSIONAL
level (as you have done with me in the past... of course, you either
wrote "Who can argue with that? or you called the person a name...
me... I'M THE DRUNK in recent years...)
Do yourself a favor. Let the people with drum corps experience WRITE
what they want to.
Sharon
ns787980
>
> - Show quoted text -
I'm totally glad I'm banned on DCP if that is the conversation.
Certainly - nothing of IMPORTANCE to drum and bugle corps is
discussed. I'm pretty sure that was why I was banned from there to
begin with. God forbid I should say something that will TILT the
group.
The whining and projecting of WHO is WHO really is what got me kicked
out.
The former RAMDers are the WORST. Minus Mike Davis. He's tops with
me. Very respectful poster. All around.
Sharon
the OTHER Mike
>
> I'm totally glad I'm banned on DCP if that is the conversation.
No, it's the only one that I found where a kid expressed a concern
about something I think most of us had experienced.
>
> Certainly - nothing of IMPORTANCE to drum and bugle corps is
> discussed. �I'm pretty sure that was why I was banned from there to
> begin with. �God forbid I should say something that will TILT the
> group.
Thats true, most of them don't ever want to admit their discussion
group is centered around band
> The whining and projecting of WHO is WHO really is what got me kicked
> out.
I missed that but it must have been when I wasn't checking in over
there to see if anything worth reading was being said.
> The former RAMDers are the WORST.
I agree, I was told I was acting like Catherine
�>Minus Mike Davis. �He's tops with
> me. �Very respectful poster. �All around.
He reported one of my posts
> Sharon- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hope your holidays are good ones Sharon.
Jazzycat1
Except you are not banned from DCP. Your account is not in the
"Banned" group. You could log in whenever you want.
Sis
Oh, here we go again.
Yes, it is.
No, it isn't.
Yes, it is, not that I would anyway.
It isn't.
It is.
Whatev.
Jackie
Jim Blansett
Roll Tide!
Jazzycat1
>
> - Show quoted text -
She continually claims to be "banned" from DCP but she's not. Is it
some sort of "Badge of Honor" to get banned from DCP? If it is, I'm a
2 time award winner!
the OTHER Mike
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
Who DAT ?
Charlie Groh
>Roll Tide!\
...no shit! Congrats, amigo! THAT was a nice game!
cg
Sis
Some football is being played by some southern teams that's for sure!
Jackie
the OTHER Mike
>
> - Show quoted text -
SEC, what else needs to be said ?
Even if if it's not LSU, I'll pull for BAMA over Gators just for Jimbo
Jim Blansett
<BleuR...@aol.com> wrote:
Thanks, TOMike. I know how hard that must be to say, so I really
appreciate it! I often find myself stuck in the "Geaux Tide," or
"Roll Tigers" mode.
the OTHER Mike
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
Not hard at all Jim. Louisiana and Alabama are southern teams,
Florida.....well, it's Florida....a different sort of people so to
speak.
Jazzycat1
>
> - Show quoted text -
Your Saints pulled one out by the nuthairs tonight! 12-0!
Sis
Floridians are New Jerseyians who can't hack the winter!
Jackie
ns787980
One of your posts. Too bad. I can't even comment. And for all I
know Mike Davis could have gotten me kicked off DCP.
It's a slippery slope... THAT group. I'm "almost" always good with
what I write... no matter the newsgroup.
Really? Mike Davis? I'd like to see what you wrote that Mike Davis
negatively effected your ability to post to DCP.
>
> Hope your holidays are good ones Sharon.
You too Mr Poche.
Sharon
ns787980
Of COURSE I can. WHENEVER I want. And I have. One can get around
RULES if one wants to. And I have.
But you see... I like to follow the RULES.
I was TOLD (via email) that I was no longer INVITED to post to DCP.
Too many ADMINS had control over whether or not I could post.
If you say I can? Ask ALL of the admins!
Trust me... I'm BANNED.
Shit! Imagine if all those BLOWHARDS that left RAMD for DCP had to
deal with ME again? Jeff Ream, Geoffrey Jones... the like?
Sharon
ns787980
I'm fine with that.
I'm fine with folks like you.
Your right to write like you do.
Sharon
ns787980
wrote:
Makes perfect sense.
Sharon
ns787980
>
> - Show quoted text -
She? Is me.
And don't YOU get it?
Sharon
the OTHER Mike
>
> - Show quoted text -
We were going back and forth about something and I made a remark about
how he should win a prize for his ability to argue both sides of an
argument from his mouth and his ass at the same time. I even used a
smiley face to show it was a joke.
And bang, I got a warning. Mike and I talked it out but that along
with someone saying I was being the "Catherine of DCP" and some really
ignorant remarks from some band parents on DCP made me realize " I
HAVE to deal with this stupidity in my job, why come to a place that
the majority of people have no clue what they are talking about in my
"freetime"
At least on RAMD you can speak as you wish and people can respond as
THEY wish without being censored ( not to mention whether friend or
foe, I have more respect for people who marched in our day)
Also, on RAMD, even if we don't always agree, we mostly all
experienced drum & bugle corps when it was closer to d&bc than band.
the OTHER Mike
BANNED from a BAND site ?
Congrats !
I do like the historical section for the pictures.
Did you ever make it into the secret club on DCP before getting
banned ?
All my crap was started there when I posted something in the "for
certain eyes only" and some dipsshit who never marched corps moved it
to a "for everyone's eyes" section and I got the rath of the band
parents.
How did Catherine say it? Unfair standards unfairly applied ?
Shadow_7
> How did Catherine say it? Unfair standards unfairly applied ?
Hahahahaha.... Oh the voice of reason.... Nice to know that I wasn't
the only one who got SOME of what she said.
Now if committing $1K and a year / season of my life towards a goal
wasn't a MAYBE. And not because of anything on my end.
MikeD
Thanks Sharon!
Mike
MikeD
> Really? Mike Davis? I'd like to see what you wrote that Mike Davis
> negatively effected your ability to post to DCP.
>
Sharon,
ToM posted this about me...which is what I reported...
"Even my K-5 kids understand that. Since you started as a drummer,
thats something you just don't get it Davis, but I admire the fact
that you can usually argue both sides of an argument at the same time
from both ends of your body"
Mike
ns787980
>
> - Show quoted text -
Okay... Yep. I get it.
For all I know, Mike Davis could have gotten me banned from DCP. It's
not like an "admin" is going to SAY.
I just know about my interactions with Mike Davis. I wouldn't guess
him to be a "knife in the back - you'll never know about it" kind of
guy. Towards me anyway. He's always been pretty up front with me.
At least on RAMD.
Never backed down on anything he had to say... but never resorted to
name calling, getting other people to jump on you or the like. In
general... pretty good with me. I've been banned from DCP so long
now... I don't recall anything that would jump out at me to say that
one should be wary of Mike Davis. And man.... I've had some very
contentious conversations with Mike. But again, he's treated me with
respect each and every time.
Sharon
ns787980
> On Dec 11, 9:30 pm, ns787980 <sharca...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Trust me... I'm BANNED.
> > Sharon-
>
> BANNED from a BAND site ?
>
> Congrats !
Yes! I am!
>
> I do like the historical section for the pictures.
You can see any picture you want on Facebook.
People post their pictures, videos and the like. You don't need DCP
for that!
>
> Did you ever make it into the secret club on DCP before getting
> banned ?
Are you kidding? Think about it. Who started DCP to begin with?
A guy who couldn't HACK IT on RAMD. Remember him? George that
couldn't take any sort of criticism?
Started DCP so that individuals that HE agreed with philosophically
could CONTROL what people wrote.. Hell... Stefanie Kressaty was (is?)
an Admin.. Everyone should know that - that person should NEVER be a
representative of a SOUND newsgroup ABOUT Drum and Bugle Corps.
> All my crap was started there when I posted something in the "for
> certain eyes only" and some dipsshit who never marched corps moved it
> to a "for everyone's eyes" section and I got the rath of the band
> parents.
That's too bad. All I had to do was call people out when they weren't
applying their true feelings.... and man did I try THAT route. Being
touchy feely and not writing anything of significance. ESPECIALLY in
the DCA forum. Those folks really think THEY have it all figured out
and what THEY think rules. The touchy feely thing? Significantly
reduces a participants IN DRUM AND BUGLE CORPS role IN what is -
essentially - A competition. In the end? THAT was my undoing over at
DCP. No one was ALLOWED to actively engage in a true adversarial
conversation about drum and bugle corps. THAT is why DCP was created
in the FIRST place.
The RAMDers that abandoned RAMD for DCP know that. In fact... I would
bet that 3/4 of their ADMINs were originally from RAMD.
It's too bad. I think they've all gone soft. Can't take any sort of
criticism.
>
> How did Catherine say it? Unfair standards unfairly applied ?
There ya go. PERFECT!
Sharon
ns787980
Shadow...
You have no idea.
Sharon
ns787980
>
> - Show quoted text -
You know me Mike... I write it how I see it.
I find it too bad that your fellow posters SUCK! :)
Sharon
ns787980
Mr Davis?
What is so bad about that?
I've had much worse written about me. And here on RAMD. PUBLIC.
Just ask some of your other ADMINs. The DCP Admins (former RAMDERs
that were the WORST OF THE WORST) seem to have some problems.
If that offended you Mike...And you took that to the NEXT
LEVEL...there is a problem.
THAT? Just reiterates my common thread. DCP only allows what the
ADMINS will allow.
Too bad... I don't think that Mike Poche said one word that would
reflect badly on YOU.
That's why I think that ADMINS on DCP have too much power and not
enough sense to USE it properly.
THAT was a powerplay used improperly.
Regardless of the fact that BANDOs are allowed to run rampant on DCP.
We know that Garfield allowed rampant use of it's corps by bandos..
and where has it gotten them?
Common Sense!
Sharon
MikeD
> On Dec 17, 2:11 am, MikeD <mdavis0...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 11, 10:12 pm, ns787980 <sharca...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > Really? Mike Davis? I'd like to see what you wrote that Mike Davis
> > > negatively effected your ability to post to DCP.
>
> > Sharon,
>
> > ToM posted this about me...which is what I reported...
>
> > "Even my K-5 kids understand that. Since you started as a drummer,
> > thats something you just don't get it Davis, but I admire the fact
> > that you can usually argue both sides of an argument at the same time
> > from both ends of your body"
>
> > Mike
>
> Mr Davis?
>
> What is so bad about that?
>
> I've had much worse written about me. And here on RAMD. PUBLIC.
>
That is one difference between RAMD and DCP. On DCP the back-and-forth
is supposed to be about ideas, not attacks on people. They want the
level of discourse to be less personally offensive, and I have no
problem with that, actually.
And yes, I think saying his 5-year-olds have more knowledge than
me...and the reference to 'both ends' are personal attacks, not
discussion of ideas. Just MHO.
> Just ask some of your other ADMINs. The DCP Admins (former RAMDERs
> that were the WORST OF THE WORST) seem to have some problems.
>
> If that offended you Mike...And you took that to the NEXT
> LEVEL...there is a problem.
>
> THAT? Just reiterates my common thread. DCP only allows what the
> ADMINS will allow.
>
Well, Mike and I exchanged PM's over it, but as they are private I
won't go into details on them....they were friendly ones though.
> Too bad... I don't think that Mike Poche said one word that would
> reflect badly on YOU.
>
Well, we disagree on that one, for sure.
> That's why I think that ADMINS on DCP have too much power and not
> enough sense to USE it properly.
>
> THAT was a powerplay used improperly.
Oh, anyone can report a post they find objectionable...it's not an
'admin thing'. The admins evaluate the reports and either take
action...or not, depending on what the consensus thinks. Even
'action' might be to have the poster just edit out the offending part
of a post. It's not as draconian as you are making it out to be.
>
> Regardless of the fact that BANDOs are allowed to run rampant on DCP.
> We know that Garfield allowed rampant use of it's corps by bandos..
> and where has it gotten them?
>
> Common Sense!
>
> Sharon
Well, the Cadets are still in existence...and still great, so I'd say
whatever they have done has worked quite well!
Mike
MikeD
Yup....you write what you think...I have never had a problem with you,
even if we disagree on just about everything regarding modern drum
corps.
Take care,
Mike
the OTHER Mike
>
> Well, the Cadets are still in existence...and still great, so I'd say
> whatever they have done has worked quite well!
>
WHICH Cadets ?
( Hoppy should just call the the Roaming Cadets )
MikeD
Witnessing the wonderful outpouring of emotion this past summer
between the alumni (including the first DM from Holy Name from 1934!)
and the current members, there isn't any confusion between the ones
that matter most, IMO.
Mike
Sis
Hows come The Cadets are the only corps who has tried to get an alumni
corps out there that can't do it?
I've been wondering.
Jackie
MikeD
>
> - Show quoted text -
No idea. There was an alumni group at Giant's Stadium that sounded
good as a standstill group, but they were not a large corps like some
of the other ones. I think possibly the existence of other alumni
corps in the vicinity might play some sort of role...I know there are
Cadet alums in the Cabs alumni and Skyliners alumni, and there might
be some in the Blessed Sac group, though that's a guess. Also a guess
is that there might be Cadet alums in the Bayonne slumni group.
Mike
Charlie Groh
...they've *tried?* I've never heard anything about it...of course
I'm not an alumnus, but aren't those things publicized? VK has
"tried" (in the VK way...read into that anything that comes to
mind)...seems to me that Garfield/Cadets should be able to muster a
bunch of people, eh?
cg
Charlie Groh
wrote:
...there ya go...same kinda thing BD has done recently...curious, has
that group been a known entitiy to people on the east coast?
cg
MikeD
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:37:34 -0800 (PST), MikeD <mdavis0...@gmail.com>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Charlie,
They've been around for a few years, actually. They've done a few
parades, on a "riding the float" kind of thing.
I think this past year they went to Rochester for the alumni show, but
I'm not sure on that.
It's been kept pretty low-key; I have not seen much publicity about
them.
I think they really need to have a few people willing to push and prod
and run the thing well to make a go of it. Bayonne has done a
wonderful job at that; the corps they put out is excellent.
Mike
MikeD
> that group been a known entitiy to people on the east coast?
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Charlie,
One other fairly recent thing has been the creation of a Holy Name
Cadets alumni association that covers all eras of the Cadets. Dave
Shaw has been a workhorse at organizing the group. I've gone to a few
meetings, and I attended the Christmas banquet recently. Maybe the
success of that group will translate into a few more bodies into the
alumni corps. They meetings do get a nice attendance, at lease the
ones I ahve gone to.
I really think the success of a group like an alumni corps/association
is dependent on the tireless efforts of a few people, one being Dave
Shaw with Holy Name, along with a few of the original girl guard
members from 1969 who do a lot behind the scenes. Without those
dedicated people it's doomed to fail, IMO.
Mike
the OTHER Mike
Hummm, very well put.
Charlie Groh
wrote:
>On Dec 21, 12:48�pm, Charlie Groh <chasg...@dslextremerage.com> wrote:
...boy, you ain't kiddin'! I *almost* committed to doing Bayonne a
couple of years ago, before sanity set in anyhow! Between Bayonne and
Hawthorne there really is a little bit of a war to see who puts out
the best product...lotsa pride here...it's great 'cause they're
elevating der bar every year! Which is why the Alumni show at DCA is
NOT a closely guarded secret and if you're in town and miss it you are
either crazy or drunk and can't get up!
cg
>
>Mike
>
>
>
>
>
Charlie Groh
wrote:
>On Dec 21, 12:48�pm, Charlie Groh <chasg...@dslextremerage.com> wrote:
...yeah, you're right as rain, Mike. I was a part, both playing and
teaching, of the Kingsmen '07 effort and it was an all-consuming
project for everyone, of course, but the people who got it going and
administered it put in absolutely *heroic* effort. Maybe 15 people
out of 300...if not for them, no go baby...
cg
Jim Blansett
wrote:
>On Dec 20, 11:35�pm, Sis <siste...@comcast.net> wrote:
"Slumni"[SIC] - Freudian slip? ;-)
Charlie Groh
LOL, that's a hoot, JB!
Jim Blansett
You know what some people say about Bayonne. ;-)
MikeD
wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:37:34 -0800 (PST), MikeD <mdavis0...@gmail.com>
:-)
Sis
Jackie
Sis
Oh yeah, they've tried several times. No dice! It would seem they
would be, and therein lies the rub.
Jackie
ns787980
> On Dec 18, 10:03�pm, ns787980 <sharca...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 17, 2:11 am, MikeD <mdavis0...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 11, 10:12 pm, ns787980 <sharca...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Really? Mike Davis? I'd like to see what you wrote that Mike Davis
> > > > negatively effected your ability to post to DCP.
>
> > > Sharon,
>
> > > ToM posted this about me...which is what I reported...
>
> > > "Even my K-5 kids understand that. Since you started as a drummer,
> > > thats something you just don't get it Davis, but I admire the fact
> > > that you can usually argue both sides of an argument at the same time
> > > from both ends of your body"
>
> > > Mike
>
> > Mr Davis?
>
> > What is so bad about that?
>
> > I've had much worse written about me. �And here on RAMD. �PUBLIC.
>
> That is one difference between RAMD and DCP. On DCP the back-and-forth
> is supposed to be about ideas, not attacks on people. They want the
> level of discourse to be less personally offensive, and I have no
> problem with that, actually.
I appreciate your position Mike. I really do. But there is NO
exchange of ideas on DCP. No back and forth.
I watched what was happening. It was those that "thought" that THEY
were in charge espousing THEIR will. I saw it with my own eyes.
I saw it with what EVER Stephanie Kressaty wrote. I saw it with what
ever those folks wrote on ALUMNI forums. Most notably those that
wrote that marched in a corps that is no more... But really think they
ARE.
It was a disgusting witness. For me. And DCP afforded those people
to continue writing CRAP... because they were allowed to.
My banned ass was never allowed to say otherwise. Because George
Dixon couldn't EXCHANGE IDEAS. Or have any back and forth.
>
> And yes, I think saying his 5-year-olds have more knowledge than
> me...and the reference to 'both ends' are personal attacks, not
> discussion of ideas. Just MHO.
And don't you think that's slightly r"e"diculous? It's just words.
JHC... I'm sure I called you worse Mike! Of course it was HERE... in
a public group not administered by THOSE that exchange ideas. Or have
back and forth.
>
> > Just ask some of your other ADMINs. �The DCP Admins (former RAMDERs
> > that were the WORST OF THE WORST) seem to have some problems.
>
> > If that offended you Mike...And you took that to the NEXT
> > LEVEL...there is a problem.
>
> > THAT? �Just reiterates my common thread. �DCP only allows what the
> > ADMINS will allow.
>
> Well, Mike and I exchanged PM's over it, but as they are private I
> won't go into details on them....they were friendly ones though.
Well good.
>
> > Too bad... I don't think that Mike Poche said one word that would
> > reflect badly on YOU.
>
> Well, we disagree on that one, for sure.
As usual.. we will agree to disagree. For sure!
>
> > That's why I think that ADMINS on DCP have too much power and not
> > enough sense to USE it properly.
>
> > THAT was a powerplay used improperly.
>
> Oh, anyone can report a post they find objectionable...it's not an
> 'admin thing'. The admins evaluate the reports and either take
> action...or not, depending on what the consensus thinks. Even
> 'action' �might be to have the poster just edit out the offending part
> of a post. It's not as draconian as you are making it out to be.
Oh... I know. I was "evaluated" OUT of DCP. And for sure... I know
that each person that "evaluated" me OUT of DCP... wrote worse than
me... RIGHT HERE. The hypocrisy.
>
>
>
> > Regardless of the fact that BANDOs are allowed to run rampant on DCP.
> > We know that Garfield allowed rampant use of it's corps by bandos..
> > and where has it gotten them?
>
> > Common Sense!
>
> > Sharon
>
> Well, the Cadets are still in existence...and still great, so I'd say
> whatever they have done has worked quite well!
>
> Mike-
Mr Davis... Didn't you CRINGE a little bit????
Sharon
ns787980
Lovely...
Sharon
ns787980
1934?
Holy Name?
Current?
Mr Davis...
Nice try connecting the dots.
THAT ain't happening anytime soon.
Sharon
PS: What's up with the administration? SHOULDN'T THEY connect the
dots!
Perhaps the corps is a little too big for that. OR.... is it's
administration? Well who knows.
Least of all it's members.
ns787980
Sharon
ns787980
It's because Sis wondered.
Sharon
ns787980
>
> - Show quoted text -
Can't WAIT!
Wait... are you waiting for BLAST! again?
Sharon
ns787980
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:05:14 -0600, Jim Blansett
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:37:34 -0800 (PST), MikeD <mdavis0...@gmail.com>
> >wrote:
>
> >>On Dec 20, 11:35�pm, Sis <siste...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>> MikeD wrote:
> >>> > On Dec 20, 6:24 am, the OTHER Mike <BleuRae...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>> >> On Dec 19, 1:38 am, MikeD <mdavis0...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> >>> Well, the Cadets are still in existence...and still great, so I'd say
> >>> >>> whatever they have done has worked quite well!
> >>> >>> Mike- Hide quoted text -
> >>> >> WHICH Cadets ?
>
> >>> >> ( Hoppy should just �call the the Roaming Cadets )
>
> >>> > Witnessing the wonderful outpouring of emotion this past summer
> >>> > that matter most, IMO.
>
> >>> Hows come The Cadets are the only corps who has tried to get an alumni
> >>> corps out there that can't do it?
>
> >>> I've been wondering.
>
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>
> >>> - Show quoted text -
>
> >>No idea. There was an alumni group at Giant's Stadium that sounded
> >>good as a standstill group, but they were not a large corps like some
> >>of the other ones. I think possibly the existence of other alumni
> >>corps in the vicinity might play some sort of role...I know there are
> >>Cadet alums in the Cabs alumni and Skyliners alumni, and there might
> >>be some in the Blessed Sac group, though that's a guess. Also a guess
> >>is that there might be Cadet alums in the Bayonne slumni group.
>
> >>Mike
>
> >"Slumni"[SIC] - Freudian slip? �;-)
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Really?
Too bad
Sharon
Jazzycat1
>
> - Show quoted text -
Merry Christmas Sunshine!
ns787980
>
> - Show quoted text -
Just waiting for ANYONE of you sanctimonius asswipes to comment...
Yah know... the people like YOU..
It's foolish... Your endeavor!!
But thanks for trying!
Sharon
flu...@msn.com
Merry Christmas...Groggy
ns787980
Really?
Christmas...At 11 something in the morning? You were on the
computer.. and wrote on RAMD?
Wow.
Sharon
MikeD
>
>
>
> > > Regardless of the fact that BANDOs are allowed to run rampant on DCP.
> > > We know that Garfield allowed rampant use of it's corps by bandos..
> > > and where has it gotten them?
>
> > > Common Sense!
>
> > > Sharon
>
> > Well, the Cadets are still in existence...and still great, so I'd say
> > whatever they have done has worked quite well!
>
> > Mike-
>
> Mr Davis... Didn't you CRINGE a little bit????
>
> Sharon
Well, no, not at all. In the NJ area even in my day Garfield had a lot
of members who belonged to band programs as well....such as me!
Mike
ns787980
>
Here we go again...
Don't you cringe a little bit? I've seen the best of the best in
regard to bands.
Ain't never seen anything close to a drum and bugle corps.
Why? Because bands don't put the time and effort into BEING.
That's why bando is the name of the game. NOW.
Concert instruments - OUTDOORS. The last effort of a trumpet that I
saw... didn't reach the last row of the stadium that it's circuit had
those trumpets play in.
Non-existent drummers. Hell they took off for WGI! Winterguard
International! To play a drum that was designed to be played
outdoors? Man...THAT must suck (and is destructive) for a DRUMMER.
And what about the colorguard? Why is it about the last WGI guard?
Again... too bad!
ELECTRONICS?
Don't you cringe a LITTLE BIT?
Come on.. in your wildest imaginations as a bando... You wouldn't have
created THIS? Would you?
Me? I never was a bando. I became a participant in DRUM AND BUGLE
CORPS long before any of the above happened.
Sharon
MikeD
>
> Here we go again...
>
> Don't you cringe a little bit? I've seen the best of the best in
> regard to bands.
>
> Ain't never seen anything close to a drum and bugle corps.
>
> Why? Because bands don't put the time and effort into BEING.
In general, bands put in less time than a touring corps, for sure.
but...they put in as much or more than many of the smaller local
corps back in the day, at least in MY era. We rehearsed a few evenings
a week in the summer...and in the fall/winter maybe once a week. Bands
rehearse every day during the school year during band class, plus
after school, summer band camps and pretty full weekends during the
fall season..
> That's why bando is the name of the game. NOW.
>
> Concert instruments - OUTDOORS. The last effort of a trumpet that I
> saw... didn't reach the last row of the stadium that it's circuit had
> those trumpets play in.
>
Not true at all...just about very world class corps plays on trumpets
these days, plus many Open class and DCA corps. They reach just fine,
as do the bands see all fall, both big and small.
> Non-existent drummers. Hell they took off for WGI! Winterguard
> International! To play a drum that was designed to be played
> outdoors? Man...THAT must suck (and is destructive) for a DRUMMER.
>
There is a huge variety in WGI, from a variety of marching levels
through concert class. I've judged some indoor shows in the past...I
don't see the problem.
> And what about the colorguard? Why is it about the last WGI guard?
> Again... too bad!
>
Indoor guard is amazing today. What a great leap forward from the old
days when I accompanied my little corps guard on drums to where they
are today, both scholastic and independent.
> ELECTRONICS?
>
> Don't you cringe a LITTLE BIT?
>
> Come on.. in your wildest imaginations as a bando... You wouldn't have
> created THIS? Would you?
>
I've seen excellent use of electronics..and terrible use...and
everywhere in between...just as with any instruments.
> Me? I never was a bando. I became a participant in DRUM AND BUGLE
> CORPS long before any of the above happened.
>
> Sharon
Well, I started in band at age 9, and in a little drum corps at age
10.
Mike
the OTHER Mike
of the Cassavante ( sp ? ) book. It was 90% squad work. The names of
the moves might have been different but thats what they were.
Charlie Groh
wrote:
>On Jan 1, 12:37�am, ns787980 <sharca...@aol.com> wrote:
...and me in a beginner corps as a drummer at the age of 11...the very
next year in the jr. high band as a trombone. Most of the *guys* in
my corps were in band, and we could read music...pretty amazing at the
time...
cg
ns787980
> On Jan 1, 12:37�am, ns787980 <sharca...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Here we go again...
>
> > Don't you cringe a little bit? �I've seen the best of the best in
> > regard to bands.
>
> > Ain't never seen anything close to a drum and bugle corps.
>
> > Why? �Because bands don't put the time and effort into BEING.
>
> In general, bands put in less time than a touring corps, for sure.
> but...they put in �as much or more than �many of the smaller local
> corps back in the day, at least in MY era. We rehearsed a few evenings
> a week in the summer...and in the fall/winter maybe once a week. Bands
> rehearse every day during the school year during band class, plus
> after school, summer band camps and pretty full weekends during the
> fall season..
And yet... Drum and Bugle Corps is now being passed off as if it's a
high school participant of band left overs. Don't like it. Never
liked it. Won't EVER like it.
>
> > That's why bando is the name of the game. �NOW.
>
> > Concert instruments - OUTDOORS. �The last effort of a trumpet that I
> > saw... didn't reach the last row of the stadium that it's circuit had
> > those trumpets play in.
>
> Not true at all...just about very world class corps plays on trumpets
> these days, plus many Open class and DCA corps. They reach just fine,
> as do the bands �see all fall, both big and small.
No they don't! I've listened to them. They have a negative impact.
I'm saying to the detriment of the genre. Trumpets DON'T reach... ANY
WHERE. Mr Davis you speak about the IMPOSITION of trumpets and all
concert instruments as a matter of course. I'm saying that CONCERT
INSTRUMENTS never belonged in the first place.
>
> > Non-existent drummers. �Hell they took off for WGI! �Winterguard
> > International! �To play a drum that was designed to be played
> > outdoors? �Man...THAT must suck (and is destructive) for a DRUMMER.
>
> There is a huge variety in WGI, from a variety of marching levels
> through concert class. I've judged some indoor shows in the past...I
> don't see the problem.
Really? A drumline that could have been considered GREAT in the genre
called Drum and Bugle Corps being relegated to WGI? Because their
expertise was no longer wanted in drum corps? That sits well with
you?
>
> > And what about the colorguard? �Why is it about the last WGI guard?
> > Again... too bad!
>
> Indoor guard is amazing today. What a great leap forward from the old
> days when I accompanied my little corps guard on drums to where they
> are today, both scholastic and independent.
I went to a regional a few short years ago. There wasn't anything to
look at. There wasn't a flag, rifle or saber worth a damn.
Sorry Mr Davis.
>
> > ELECTRONICS?
>
> > Don't you cringe a LITTLE BIT?
>
> > Come on.. in your wildest imaginations as a bando... You wouldn't have
> > created THIS? �Would you?
>
> I've seen excellent use of electronics..and terrible use...and
> everywhere in between...just as with any instruments.
Won't admit that they don't belong... will you?
>
> > Me? �I never was a bando. �I became a participant in DRUM AND BUGLE
> > CORPS long before any of the above happened.
>
> > Sharon
>
> Well, I started in band at age 9, and in a little drum corps at age
> 10.
I began with drum corps. Hey Mike? From the age of 9? How many
years did you compete as a bando and how many as a bona fide member of
Garfield?
>
> Mike
Sharon
ns787980
> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:07:29 -0800 (PST), MikeD <mdavis0...@gmail.com>
>
> - Show quoted text -
And how long before DCI and DCA will be totally BANDO?
You can't defend your participation in drum corps OVER your band
participation? What is the matter with you people?
Sharon
MikeD
>
> And yet... Drum and Bugle Corps is now being passed off as if it's a
> high school participant of band left overs. Don't like it. Never
> liked it. Won't EVER like it.
>
Oh, I disagree. Drum corps at the world class level is the top of the
marching/music genre. Yes, most participants come from scholastic
programs today, but then many did 40 years ago too.
>
> No they don't! I've listened to them. They have a negative impact.
> I'm saying to the detriment of the genre. Trumpets DON'T reach... ANY
> WHERE. Mr Davis you speak about the IMPOSITION of trumpets and all
> concert instruments as a matter of course. I'm saying that CONCERT
> INSTRUMENTS never belonged in the first place.
>
I've had no problems hearing horn lines. The trumpets used by drum
corps are not really the concert horns you are thinking of. There have
been many improvements in Bb/F horns the past decade. I don't think
you'd see too many concert band trumpet players using the large bore
horns used in DCI and DCA with their concert bands or orchestras.
Maybe some would in jazz ensemble.
>
>
> Really? A drumline that could have been considered GREAT in the genre
> called Drum and Bugle Corps being relegated to WGI? Because their
> expertise was no longer wanted in drum corps? That sits well with
> you?
>
What makes you think WGI percussionists are 'relegated' to WGI and
not wanted by drum corps?
>
> I went to a regional a few short years ago. There wasn't anything to
> look at. There wasn't a flag, rifle or saber worth a damn.
>
> Sorry Mr Davis.
>
>
Well, I am sorry you feel that way. Guards today do amazing things,
indoor and outdoor.
>
>
> > I've seen excellent use of electronics..and terrible use...and
> > everywhere in between...just as with any instruments.
>
> Won't admit that they don't belong... will you?
>
No, because IMO they DO belong on the field if a group wants to use
them.
>
> I began with drum corps. Hey Mike? From the age of 9? How many
> years did you compete as a bando and how many as a bona fide member of
> Garfield?
>
Three years in Garfield. Two competing before that in a class 'B'
corps...and 3 in a parade corps.
No band competitons in my HS band...which is the point. Bands have
moved into the competitive world by the thousands...far more than the
number of corps that existed in my day.
Take care,
Mike
ns787980
> On Jan 8, 9:38�pm, ns787980 <sharca...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > And yet... Drum and Bugle Corps is now being passed off as if it's a
> > high school participant of band left overs. �Don't like it. �Never
> > liked it. �Won't EVER like it.
>
> Oh, I disagree. Drum corps at the world class level is the top of the
> marching/music genre. Yes, most participants come from scholastic
> programs today, but then many did 40 years ago too.
I absolutely disagree. Drum and bugle corps participants PAVED the
way for each and every band member TODAY. No question. Your band
member 40 years ago had NO participation.
>
>
>
> > No they don't! �I've listened to them. �They have a negative impact.
> > I'm saying to the detriment of the genre. �Trumpets DON'T reach... ANY
> > WHERE. �Mr Davis you speak about the IMPOSITION of trumpets and all
> > concert instruments as a matter of course. �I'm saying that CONCERT
> > INSTRUMENTS never belonged in the first place.
>
> I've had no problems hearing horn lines. The trumpets used by drum
> corps are not really the concert horns you are thinking of. There have
> been many improvements in Bb/F horns the past decade. I don't think
> you'd see too many concert band trumpet players using the large bore
> horns used in DCI and DCA with their concert bands or orchestras.
> Maybe some would in jazz ensemble.
Mr Davis... You may have forgotten the difference. Concert
Instruments... meant for the indoor enviroment have no place
outdoors. For example... A TRUMPET can NOT address the outdoor
enviroment. Even if the individual playing the instrument WISHES so.
Not possible. Never will be possible.
I've listened to WEAK.
>
>
>
> > Really? �A drumline that could have been considered GREAT in the genre
> > called Drum and Bugle Corps being relegated to WGI? �Because their
> > expertise was no longer wanted in drum corps? �That sits well with
> > you?
>
> What makes you think WGI �percussionists are 'relegated' �to WGI and
> not wanted by drum corps?
>
>
>
> > I went to a regional a few short years ago. �There wasn't anything to
> > look at. �There wasn't a flag, rifle or saber worth a damn.
>
> > Sorry Mr Davis.
>
> Well, I am sorry you feel that way. Guards today do amazing things,
> indoor and outdoor.
Uh uh! Please write!
>
>
>
> > > I've seen excellent use of electronics..and terrible use...and
> > > everywhere in between...just as with any instruments.
>
> > Won't admit that they don't belong... will you?
>
> No, because IMO they DO belong on the field if a group wants to use
> them.
Of course! That's why you are YOU! And I'm ME! :)
>
>
>
> > I began with drum corps. �Hey Mike? �From the age of 9? �How many
> > years did you compete as a bando and how many as a bona fide member of
> > Garfield?
>
> Three years in Garfield. Two competing before that in a class 'B'
> corps...and 3 in a parade corps.
How many in BAND?
>
> No band competitons in my HS band...which is the point. Bands have
> moved into the competitive world by the thousands...far more than the
> number of corps that existed in my day.
And really how many drum and bugle corps DIRECTORS are responsible for
that?
>
> Take care,
> Mike
You too Mike...
Sharon
MikeD
>
> > Oh, I disagree. Drum corps at the world class level is the top of the
> > marching/music genre. Yes, most participants come from scholastic
> > programs today, but then many did 40 years ago too.
>
> I absolutely disagree. Drum and bugle corps participants PAVED the
> way for each and every band member TODAY. No question. Your band
> member 40 years ago had NO participation.
>
Sure, quite a few members of my HS band were in drum corps.
And there were band members from other bands in the corps I marched
with. Plus the two Garden State corps I taught in the mid-70's had
many band kids.
>
>
> Mr Davis... You may have forgotten the difference. Concert
> Instruments... meant for the indoor enviroment have no place
> outdoors. For example... A TRUMPET can NOT address the outdoor
> enviroment. Even if the individual playing the instrument WISHES so.
>
> Not possible. Never will be possible.
>
> I've listened to WEAK.
>
Well, that is just not true. The horns corps play on today are built
for the marching arena. Look at King's website, for instance. They
have an entire line of brass instruments designed for marching
ensembles. Kanstul is the same...an entire category of Marching Brass
on their website. Just because the horn is Bb/F doesn't make it a
'concert instrument', though those are fine too.
>
> > No, because IMO they DO belong on the field if a group wants to use
> > them.
>
> Of course! That's why you are YOU! And I'm ME! :)
>
That's true! :-)
>
> > Three years in Garfield. Two competing before that in a class 'B'
> > corps...and 3 in a parade corps.
>
> How many in BAND?
>
>
Well, starting in 4th grade...I played in band through HS and then as
a music major in college...and I play in a community band today. So on
and off...I guess 47+ years! (Sheesh...I am old!)
>
> > No band competitons in my HS band...which is the point. Bands have
> > moved into the competitive world by the thousands...far more than the
> > number of corps that existed in my day.
>
> And really how many drum and bugle corps DIRECTORS are responsible for
> that?
>
Many corps directors are involved with the band world as well as the
corps world.
Take care,
Mike
ns787980
> On Jan 8, 11:27�pm, ns787980 <sharca...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > > Oh, I disagree. Drum corps at the world class level is the top of the
> > > marching/music genre. Yes, most participants come from scholastic
> > > programs today, but then many did 40 years ago too.
>
> > I absolutely disagree. �Drum and bugle corps participants PAVED the
> > way for each and every band member TODAY. �No question. �Your band
> > member 40 years ago had NO participation.
>
> Sure, quite a few members of my HS band were in drum corps.
You seem to forget a few somethings.
There never was a band member that created drum and bugle corps.. Not
EVER.
There is plenty of people (that were involved) to refute your
assertion that band BECAME drum and bugle corps.
>
> And there were band members from other bands in the corps I marched
> with. Plus the two Garden State corps I taught in the mid-70's had
> many band kids.
Nope... May I remind you? Bugle... and.... Drums?
>
>
>
> > Mr Davis... You may have forgotten the difference. �Concert
> > Instruments... meant for the indoor enviroment have no place
> > outdoors. �For example... A TRUMPET can NOT address the outdoor
> > enviroment. �Even if the individual playing the instrument WISHES so.
>
> > Not possible. �Never will be possible.
>
> > I've listened to WEAK.
>
> Well, that is just not true. The horns corps play on today are built
> for the marching arena. Look at King's website, for instance. They
> have an entire line of brass instruments designed for marching
> ensembles. Kanstul is the same...an entire category of Marching Brass
> on their website. Just because the horn is Bb/F doesn't make it a
> 'concert instrument', though those are fine too.
UMMM? Of course A BUSINESS will cater to "it's constituents". JHC..
How the BUGLE has been designed to be impotent...
>
>
>
> > > No, because IMO they DO belong on the field if a group wants to use
> > > them.
>
> > Of course! �That's why you are YOU! �And I'm ME! �:)
>
> That's true! � :-)
:)
>
>
>
> > > Three years in Garfield. Two competing before that in a class 'B'
> > > corps...and 3 in a parade corps.
>
> > How many in BAND?
>
> Well, starting in 4th grade...I played in band through HS and then as
> a music major in college...and I play in a community band today. So on
> and off...I guess 47+ years! � (Sheesh...I am old!)
You ARE old! :) And you give up drum and bugle corps for band.
That's your choice. Mine is different.
>
>
>
> > > No band competitons in my HS band...which is the point. Bands have
> > > moved into the competitive world by the thousands...far more than the
> > > number of corps that existed in my day.
>
> > And really how many drum and bugle corps DIRECTORS are responsible for
> > that?
>
> Many corps directors are involved with the band world as well as the
> corps world.
Too bad... They've WRECKED drum and bugle corps.
Sharon
>
> Take care,
> Mike