Hot Dog Corps
jedavis
Well, I guess I should explain this. The “hot dog” corps is the one where,
when they come on, you go out and get a hot dog! Simple enough! So, please
identify the year and corps you would vote for as the “hot dog” corps of
championships! Please everyone, don't take this personally.
Jeff in So. Cal
Mmparker94
There isn't any other way for it to be taken except personally. Asking a
question like that will invite some very negative comments. Jeff, there is
so much you could be doing to promote a positive view of Drum Corps, use this
forum to do that.
Harry Baer IV
Without a doubt...BLUECOATS! Back me up, Mark!
--
Harry Baer IV
rec.roller-coaster
rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Westshoremen '96, '97
jedavis
Every year?????????
I liked their 95 show.
Jeff in So. Cal
GArmani42
you are correct... i would LOVE to answer this post, but because of the obvious
negativity involved, i do not wish to be the center of a bunch of flames and
criticism. and i'm sure many others will feel the same. but damn, i have some
good answers for this...oh well.
darryl =0(
Harry Baer IV
Every year since '92. Murdering the Beatles is a capital offense...and I
now find them boring, too. Just my opinion....
NOLA Kent
Jeff wrote:
>The “hot dog” corps is the one where,<BR>
>when they come on, you go out and get a hot dog! Simple enough! So,
>please<BR>
>identify the year and corps you would vote for as the “hot dog” corps of<BR>
>championships! Please everyone, don't take this personally.<BR>
><BR>
>Jeff in So. Cal<BR>
So, you want us to tell you the corps that we hate without members of those
particular corps taking it personally? It can't be done...
Kent
BLGrimace
>Championship Hot Dog Corps
>
>Well, I guess I should explain this. The “hot dog” corps is the one where,
>when they come on, you go out and get a hot dog! Simple enough! So, please
>
>
I'm sorry, but I have to admit. . . 92 Star
Grimace
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"Sometimes accepting how things are is all we can do"
-- Katherine R. Larsen, 1978-1998
HTGJLG
Man, we are all 'hard driving, dedicated, committed, competitive and sensitive
folks', aren't we?
I can only tell you that I have had my fill of hot dogs in recent years.
Herb Gatwood
Terri Dittrich
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In article <19981013003413...@ng-fb1.aol.com>, htg...@aol.com
(HTGJLG) wrote:
I don't like hot dogs that much. I call them "pee" corps! NO names please!
-Terri
FrankAreMe
>
>Herb Gatwood
Dittos, there are three in particular during the 90's who are still with us
that I would consider to be in this catagory (No Americanos, you're not one of
them).....and of course there were many in the last 30 years that I've been
around drum corps.
Frank
mik...@my-dejanews.com
baer...@geocities.com wrote:
> jedavis wrote:
> >
> > Championship Hot Dog Corps
> >
> > Well, I guess I should explain this. The “hot dog” corps is the one where,
> > when they come on, you go out and get a hot dog! Simple enough! So, please
> > identify the year and corps you would vote for as the “hot dog” corps of
> > championships! Please everyone, don't take this personally.
>
> --
Harry,
You've just slammed 128 kids who each year work their butts off; their show
may not be your 'cup of tea', but this thread is just hurtful to those kids
identified as 'hot dogs'.
Mike
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Carlyjlj75
>
>
Maybe the floating waves of grain, ect... but the horn book to Chester was
amazing to hear!
Carly J
jedavis
I guess you could look at it this way. If you don't like a product, you
aren't going to buy it. Have you not seen letters to DCW lamenting the fact
that shows have gotten less exciting? I have. In a twisted sort of way, I
hope corps look at this and say, "maybe it's time to play to the audience. I
think what is most negative is the fact that there are corps people feel
belong in the hot dog category.
Jeff in So. Cal
Terri Dittrich
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In article <19981013104453...@ng29.aol.com>, carly...@aol.com
(Carlyjlj75) wrote:
I liked it, too. And the Morton Gould, also.
-Terri
BLGrimace
>amazing to hear!
True. Then again, I've not heard many *bad* arrangements of Chester. Maybe
I'm bitter because Bill Cook told me my 96 Fairfellows Brass book was "really
good. . . now it just needs to be music!"
Thanks, Bill. :-)
BLGrimace
Gould is my composition teacher's (John Ferrito's) best friend, and the scoop
is he was pi$$ed off when he heard it. . .
GArmani42
you are so absolutely correct. shows nowadays are not aimed toward entertaining
the audience. BUT i actually appreciate the more creative, innovative
shows...star93, but have more fun watching the exciting shows...bd94. i really
think the audience has not changed with the times as drum corps has. people
have to adjust to the evolution of drum corps just as much as drum corps should
adjust to the changes of their audience. it goes both ways. BUT BELIEVE ME!!! i
have plenty of hot dog corps for your post...i just thought it'd be better not
to share them.
darryl =0)
GArmani42
>
>You've just slammed 128 kids who each year work their butts off; their show
>may not be your 'cup of tea', but this thread is just hurtful to those kids
>identified as 'hot dogs'.
>
>Mike
actually mike, he just slammed well over 128 kids cuz he meant bluecoats in a
general sense, not just one year! you're right...it's rude. but i don't think
you had to tell them that. let a bluecoat stand up for him/herself.
darryl =0)
Harry Baer IV
>
> >Harry,
> >
> >You've just slammed 128 kids who each year work their butts off; their show
> >may not be your 'cup of tea', but this thread is just hurtful to those kids
> >identified as 'hot dogs'.
> >
> >Mike
Again- just my opinion. Besides, he asked during which corps I always go
for a hot dog, and I gave an honest answer. I have no doubt that the
kids work extremely hard and perform well. It's the program that always
bores me to tears.
mik...@my-dejanews.com
garm...@aol.com (GArmani42) wrote:
>
> actually mike, he just slammed well over 128 kids cuz he meant bluecoats in a
> general sense, not just one year! you're right...it's rude. but i don't think
> you had to tell them that. let a bluecoat stand up for him/herself.
>
That's HIS choice, but the entire thread is one big slam at the kids out there
marching, so I certainly feel free to respond.
Also, it IS a newsgroup for exchanging opinions.
mik...@my-dejanews.com
baer...@geocities.com wrote:
>
> Again- just my opinion. Besides, he asked during which corps I always go
> for a hot dog, and I gave an honest answer. I have no doubt that the
> kids work extremely hard and perform well. It's the program that always
> bores me to tears.
> --
There are threads worth responding to and there are others that are not.
Personally, I feel that any thread asking for a slam at a corps is one NOT
worth responding to as you did. You feel it's OK; that's your right. I feel
it's NOT OK, and it's MY right to post MY feelings.
Martin McIsaac
>
> You've just slammed 128 kids who each year work their butts off; their show
> may not be your 'cup of tea', but this thread is just hurtful to those kids
> identified as 'hot dogs'.
Time out, please! I'm not singling you out Mike. This is done far too
often on this board. That being, any complaint/critique of any corps
show is immediately construed as a slam on the performers.
What could be farther from the truth.
If I or anyone happens to dislike a show, what's it got to do with the
kids themselves. They're just performing it. They have no input on
what's presented. Anyone who's ever been involved in this activity knows
what it takes to put a show on the field. No one (no exception) would
ever mock the efforts put forth by the performers.
Now show designers, that's a "whole nother smoke." They're fair game.
They are directly responsible for what we see and hear. They deserve
both the accolade and the heat.
Marty McIsaac
BLGrimace
in the late Dayton show - the DCI one in Centerville. I was a little confused,
for several reasons. First, it was Bob Smith arranging *other* people's music.
(okay, I made the obligatory Bob Smith comment. Trust me, he expects it from
me. It's all in jest)
But mostly, Magic was trying to get the audience in on the show. They wanted
us to sing along and clap and cheer and dance. It was really very cool. But
everyone was too afraid to do it. It's like drum corps has taught us that
"getting into" a show is wrong now. It seems like we're taking a clinical look
at it - like we're watching television or something.
Did anyone else notice this in 97? Magic had a great show: very energetic,
very creative, very fun. Perhaps it was even trying to fill the void left by
VK - I don't know. But did anyone else see similar audience responses at the
shows? (Not that the Dayton show is primarily local band kids and not a lot of
alumni. Also note that Magic was the one corps that had no Daytonian kids
marching for it that year)
GArmani42
>
>There are threads worth responding to and there are others that are not.
>Personally, I feel that any thread asking for a slam at a corps is one NOT
>worth responding to as you did. You feel it's OK; that's your right. I feel
>it's NOT OK, and it's MY right to post MY feelings.
>
>Mike
>
>
mike, you're still responding to it regardless. just ignore them if you don't
like them. i don't like them either but look forward to reading the stupid
responses others put, so i'm not making a big deal about it. let the kids be
kids... if we can deal with the "best corps of the 90's posts," we should not
be denying those who want to know the "worst" ones, regardless of how rude it
is to even ask.
darryl =0)
mik...@my-dejanews.com
bosc...@erols.com wrote:
> mik...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> >
> > You've just slammed 128 kids who each year work their butts off; their show
> > may not be your 'cup of tea', but this thread is just hurtful to those kids
> > identified as 'hot dogs'.
>
> Time out, please! I'm not singling you out Mike. This is done far too
> often on this board. That being, any complaint/critique of any corps
> show is immediately construed as a slam on the performers.
> What could be farther from the truth.
> If I or anyone happens to dislike a show, what's it got to do with the
> kids themselves. They're just performing it. They have no input on
> what's presented.
First, there were no caveats about "it's not the performers, it's the show"
mentioned at all. They were discussing 'hot dog' corps, period.
Second, if you think the members will separate the 'written book' from their
performance of it you're wrong (IMHO, of course). It's the totality of the
thing beng attacked here, from the book to the performance.
While the members have no input as to what is played/marched, they CERTAINLY
have a lot to do with the output, which is what we see and hear.
To say they are 'just performing it' and therefore shouldn't be upset when a
thread calling their corps (whichever ones are indentifed here) 'hot dog' is
asking way too much of kids who have poured their collective hearts and souls
into their show. "Just performing it' is the very REASON for it's existence.
> Anyone who's ever been involved in this activity knows
> what it takes to put a show on the field. No one (no exception) would
> ever mock the efforts put forth by the performers.
It sure happens HERE a lot.
> Now show designers, that's a "whole nother smoke." They're fair game.
> They are directly responsible for what we see and hear. They deserve
> both the accolade and the heat.
I have no problem with criticising the grown-ups who run the activity when
you feel they are out of line. The 'hot dog' thread doesn't do that; it
attacks the overall presentation, most of which IS the performance.
SkyAlumni
>Every year since '92. Murdering the Beatles is a capital offense...and I
>now find them boring, too. Just my opinion....
With ALL due respect to my friend Bill Twoomey.
Harry, it's funny you should mention Bluecoats, one of the finer Jazz Drum
Corps out there now (Oh,....by the way, what is the musical idiom that is
Westshore's forte?) One of the corps that doesn't play the "game" but puts on a
top notch show every time out. But, that is my opinion versus your's and I'll
respect your opinion. On the other hand, as I remember back in 1996, the year
Westshore won DCA (which I shall get to in a minute), seeing you guys perform
in exhibition in Orlando during DCI Finals, (a highlight of your drum corps
career?) and all those people getting up and going for "hot dogs" (or for a
"pee", with all due respect to Terri <G>). Curious, how did that feel Harry? Or
were you one of those that didn't make the trip?
As for DCA Finals that same year, my seats for that show were horrific (10 rows
off the field behind home plate, baseball stadiums, never again PALEEZE).
Though you guys did a fanastic job, really. Thought it was a toss up between
you and Cabs.......until I saw and heard the video tape. Opinion: horns were on
a par with Cabs, maybe even slightly better, toss up; drumline perhaps better
then Cabs, again my opinion and not necessarily that of the judges;..... But
drill? Fact: you guys were horrible on two counts. 1)you gave new meaning to
the term phasing,... you looked like a centipede running for it's life, and 2)
interval problems were so distracting it distorted the formations you were
trying to accomplish. Seems you sacrficed visual for sound. From the looks of
that video, you probably deserved third place rather then first. <G>
>Harry Baer IV
>rec.roller-coaster
>rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
>Westshoremen '96, '97
Michael T. Siglow
Madonna 1953-64
Skyliners Nov. 11, 1964-70,75-78,92
Skyliners Alumni Corps Nov. 1993 til ?
Archer-Epler Musketeers 97-98
"It's not what a person accomplishes in life that matters,
it's what a person overcomes, that's what counts."
FOSSIL50
Was that the tape I brought to Richie's on Christmas? After seeing
that tape, I lost all my desire to compete...still.to this day...(sigh) about
the horns.........listen to them, and think of nails on a blackboard......we
sound like an organ compared to that!
Tim
Harry Baer IV
>
<snip of opinion type stuff>
>On the other hand, as I remember back in 1996, the year
> Westshore won DCA (which I shall get to in a minute), seeing you guys perform
> in exhibition in Orlando during DCI Finals, (a highlight of your drum corps
> career?) and all those people getting up and going for "hot dogs" (or for a
> "pee", with all due respect to Terri <G>). Curious, how did that feel Harry? Or
> were you one of those that didn't make the trip?
No, I went. Some people went to the bathroom or for "dinner" then, but
not that many. Those who did- oh well, their loss. Those who stayed
enjoyed themselves. We were quite successful at DCI in '96. Not in '97,
maybe, but definitely in '96.
As for your analysis of 1996 DCA.... I've spent enough time in my short
but colorful drum corps career defending our performance that night. I'm
not going to bother again, because one way or another, we won. Look to
the recaps to find out why, not to me.
--
Hrhbailey
>but colorful drum corps career defending our performance that night. I'm
>not going to bother again, because one way or another, we won. Look to
>the recaps to find out why, not to me.
>--
>Harry Baer IV
>rec.roller-coaster
>rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
>Westshoremen '96, '97
Harry, I wouldn't ask you to defend Westshore's '96 DCA win again, because I
agree, as you say, that it's in the books, the records show you won, and that's
that. But I thought it was odd that you would respond to this thread. I was in
Rochester (doesn't matter with whom) and I can't remember a better example of
being perceived as a hot dog corps then the crowd's reaction to your win and
victory encore. After stadium-shaking booing, thousands of people got up and
headed for the parking lot. If I'm not mistaken, didn't the stadium lights even
get turned off while you were out there?
SkyAlumni
>As for your analysis of 1996 DCA.... I've spent enough time in my short
>but colorful drum corps career defending our performance that night. I'm
>not going to bother again, because one way or another, we won. Look to
>the recaps to find out why, not to me.
>--
Look to the the recaps to find out why???? I looked at the video tape and
wondered how. In my LONG and colorful drum corps career I've been on the
receiving end of some real screwings in my day, some at the hands of the Cabs.
I guess time caught up with them that day. Anyone who knows ANYTHING about
drill and M&M knows full well you deserved third at best. No need to waste your
breath trying to defend yourself, you'll never convince those who have seen
that video tape. <G>
SkyAlumni
DCI Finals then were in the stands when Westshore performed. <G>
SkyAlumni
> Was that the tape I brought to Richie's on Christmas?
Yup!!! That's the one. I was too busy trying to figure out why all of the
phasing and formation distortion that I never really got a chance to focus on
the hornline or drums, that's how displeasing the drill performance was.
SkyAlumni
>Some people went to the bathroom or for "dinner" then, but
>not that many.
Having trouble with the words "hot dog" all of a sudden Harry? Careful Harry, I
was there in Orlando 40 rows up on the 45 yard line for DCI Finals. MOST of the
people left to use the toilet facilities and to eat "dinner" as you so politely
put it. And that was just in the lower tier.
Harry Baer IV
<snip>
> If I'm not mistaken, didn't the stadium lights even
> get turned off while you were out there?
Not that I recall.
Harry Baer IV
NarcSquad
>Hrhbailey wrote:
><snip>
>> If I'm not mistaken, didn't the stadium lights even
>> get turned off while you were out there?
>
>Not that I recall.
Well, Bailey, seems as if Harry has selective memory. That or he wasn't in
Frontier Stadium the night of DCA Finals in 1996. Everyone else was sitting in
darkness for retreat ceremonies.
And to think, Harry can't remember what happened on one of the greatest evening
in his drum corps career, yet can give a supposed "detailed" report on how
those at DCI in Orlando that year came running back to there seats just to hear
Westshore. LOL That just is not true Harry. But it's good propaganda.
As far as DEMAND is concerned? Drill wise, your show wasn't THAT DEMANDING, you
guys were just more interested in performing your musical show then executing
your drill. THAT'S where you looked like fools Harry. If you're gonna try
something that is SO DEMANDING and you don't pull it off then you shouldn't get
the same credit for the attempt as when you do perform a DEMANDING task and do
it the way it is written.
Guess you'll need to be around a few more years before you understand that and
not parrot your "DEMANDING" argument that you heard some drill "designer" say
one time to try and defend his own incompetence.
DELETE AWAY HARRY!!!!!!
Harry Baer IV
>
> Harry Baer IV <baer...@geocities.com> wrote:
>
> >Hrhbailey wrote:
> ><snip>
> >> If I'm not mistaken, didn't the stadium lights even
> >> get turned off while you were out there?
> >
> >Not that I recall.
>
> Well, Bailey, seems as if Harry has selective memory. That or he wasn't in
> Frontier Stadium the night of DCA Finals in 1996. Everyone else was sitting in
> darkness for retreat ceremonies.
I'm only going to respond to this part of this dimwit's post. The lights
were turned off for the FIREWORKS portion of retreat, but I could see
just fine when we performed our VICTORY CONCERT.
As for the rest of your asinine post....get a life and some eyeballs.
There are only a few senior corps that I've ever seen that had jazz
running for the hornline throughout a good portion of the show - and
used the entire field, not just 30 yd line to 30 yd line.
Nothing else you post in the future, btw, will be read by me, so save
your fingers from typing. I'm sure that someone of your limited
intelligence has a great deal of trouble finding the right keys to push,
and I wouldn't want you to strain yourself.
SkyAlumni
SkyAlumni
>The lights
>were turned off for the FIREWORKS portion of retreat,
So, which is Harry? Either you do recall, or did you asked someone who was
there why the lights were out?
>Nothing else you post in the future, btw, will be read by me,
So,...? Delete away Harry!!!
so save
>your fingers from typing.
Where did you learn to be so demanding Harry? That type of behavior is usually
learned at an early age. A VERY critical parent statement there. e people you
hang out with now speak the same way you do? Oh!!! But I forgot, only people
with my intelligence level would understand what I just said, so I guess that
leaves you out. <G>
Carry on carryin' on Harry. DELETE AWAY!!!
Hrhbailey
>>were turned off for the FIREWORKS portion of retreat,
The FIREWORKS were in the parking lot that night.
post...@gmail.com
> Championship Hot Dog Corps
>
> Well, I guess I should explain this. The “hot dog” corps is the one where,
> when they come on, you go out and get a hot dog! Simple enough! So, please
> identify the year and corps you would vote for as the “hot dog” corps of
> championships! Please everyone, don't take this personally.
>
> Jeff in So. Cal
what are you talking about