List of possible candidates for gRAMDies
Vince Lamb
:-)
As promised, here is a list of the posts that I've been saving to this
account for possible gRAMDie consideration. I have Author, Subject,
and Date for all the posts that I've saved that are available on Google
(i.e., posts after August 9, 2000) which is nearly 100 articles. For
most, I have the categories I thought they would be most appropriate
for. For a few, I have the article numbers. Author, Subject, and Date
will be more than sufficient for you to find the article on
groups.google.com so that you can read them and make up your minds.
I have also saved about 30 articles posted between March 6, 2000, and
August 9, 2000, deserving of consideration (IMHO :-) which are *not*
archived on Google...yet. I'll be posting those later.
Happy Reading and Happy Voting!
Vince Lamb
gRAMDies MC and RAMD Pollmaster!
Tue, 27 Feb 2001 01:29:40 -0500
Subject: FWD: RE: THE RAMD D&B CORPS
Best mental image!
From lean...@webtv.net (Fat Cat)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:49:29 -0500
Subject: FWD: I have resigned from the Vagabonds
From cd...@icubed.com =====
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:25:36 -0500
Subject: RE: OT: Godwin's Law and Memes
From Ron Allard <R...@Diceman.com> =====
Subject: Re: THE WORTH OF RAMD
Date: 04 Dec 2000 15:58:19 GMT
From: dans...@aol.com (Dan Scerpella)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 02:30:45 -0500
To: "Terri Dittrich" <terri...@earthlink.net>
CC: corp...@bellsouth.net, shar...@aol.com, Phrenchy
Subject: RE: to all the Trads & Evo's...
(A group of flames, responses, and images)
Subject: RE: Dustin73
>===== Original Message From "Ron in Vegas" <ron.a...@att.net> =====
>On Fri, 09 Feb 2001 23:39:15 GMT, corpsb...@my-deja.com wrote:
>===== Original Message From "Ron in Vegas" <ron.a...@att.net> =====
Subject: To Catherine, Kevin, Michael, etc."
Mon, 05 Feb 2001 06:15:40 GMT.
most logical argument.
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 02:57:18 -0500
From: Levi Boldt <bold...@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: RE: to all the Trads & Evo's...
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:40:24 -0500
From vkdm...@aol.com (Ryan H. Turner)
Subject: FWD: RE: Has the time come...
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:53:47 -0500
From winno...@aol.com (Winnowill 01)
Subject: FWD: RE: Has the time come...
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 19:15:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Sharcast2 <shar...@aol.com>
Subject: RE: Has the time come...
Subject: Time to *stop* bashing Jeff Lee
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 08:17:43 GMT
article <3A82F43A...@inreach.com>,
From: hef...@inreach.com, bd...@hotmail.com (Jeff Lee)
"best response to flame"
Subject: In perspective...I think.....
From: sailor...@hotmail.com (Michael aka "Sailor")
Date: 2001/02/08
Post of the Year, Essay
Subject: Re: John Donovan: THIS IS RIDICULOUS
From: jawri...@my-deja.com
Date: 2001/02/08
RICE
Subject: Re: you people are pathetic
From: Ron Allard
Date: 2001/02/07
essay, argument
Subject: Not OT: The Widget Industry
From: Catherine <cather...@my-deja.com>
Date: 2001/02/05
"Fiction", FBI
Subject: Positive IS Possible On RAMD
From: corp...@bellsouth.net
Date: 2001/02/01
Essay, Voice of Reason?
Subject: II/III will disappear in the next few years
From: DCIIn...@noname.com
Date: 2001/01/31
golden shovel
Subject: Re: Baltimore Raven's defense wins DCI 2000
From: "Frank S. Jacobson" <frank.j...@pss.boeing.NOSPAM.com>
Date: 2001/01/29
Spoof, fiction
From: pbbl...@aol.com (Amanda Markey)
Subject: Re: Steven Musmeche's COOL website!
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 04:59:21 GMT
"Best Online Friends--Jason and Amanda"!
Subject: Did I miss anything?
From: DRUMAJOR <www.JeffreyCJohnson.c-o-m-@>
Date: 2001/01/28
Humor, Spoof.
Subject: Re: Gag Rule???
From: Catherine <cather...@my-deja.com>
Date: 2001/01/25
Essay? FBI?
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:16:08 -0600
From: "Rick Beckham" <rbec...@nortelnetworks.com>
(But posted by vince...@my-deja.com)
Subject: [Fwd: New Rule Proposals for DCI]
Humor. Spoof.
Subject: OT: The Kennebunkport Hillbilly
From: lizd...@aol.com (Liz Duguay)
Date: 2001/01/23
Spoof
Subject: Hopkins should hire Jesse Jackson
From: "Beckham, Rick [RICH2:2L24-M:EXCH]" <rbec...@americasm01.nt.com>
Date: 2001/01/22
Spoof
Subject: Re: Sharon responds to every single post
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 19:21:10 GMT
field...@aol.com.moc.loa (Dash Fieldpaint)
article <20010119092755...@ng-mb1.aol.com>
"Most Prolific".
Subject: List of rules changes proposed by The Cadets
From: Michael A. Del Corso <mdel...@computer.org>
Date: 2001/01/16
Best Report, other than Show Review.
From: hop...@aol.com (Hoppynj)
Subject: Re: Cadets Show 2001 -- Sure seems to get attention
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 05:00:56 GMT
article <20010114233855...@ng-df1.aol.com>
Most Improved, Voice of Reason. Hall of Fame
Subject: Re: I like monkeys
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 04:50:59 GMT
article <93nfkh$nf1$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
From: slucas99 <loo...@hotmail.com>
Post of the Year, Poster of the Year, Best Humor,
Best Fiction, and Funniest
Subject: Re: Tradition?!?!
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 04:47:15 GMT
slucas99
message <93svvt$rni$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>Reply-to: gram...@yahoo.com
"RICE", response to flame
Subject: Cadets 2001 Show Selection, in Plain English
From: drum...@aol.comnospam (DRUMLAW80)
Date: 2001/01/14
spoof
Subject: BEST GETTING LAID EXPIERENCE IN DRUM CORPS
From: brigbari...@my-deja.com
Date: 2001/01/11
Golden Shovel.
From: Southern Cali DCI Fan <bur...@my-deja.com>
Subject: More on Notabando
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 06:04:16 GMT
Essay, humor, virtual tour guide
Subject: Re: What is louder -B flat or G??
From: Levi Boldt <bold...@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: 2000/12/11
Dave Adams
Dave for challenge, Levi for RICE
From: kno...@rootcom.net
Subject: Re: What is louder -B flat or G??
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 07:25:40 GMT
article <9148m5$j8q$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>
RICE, Essay, Logical Argument, New Poster
Subject: How Many RAMD Listers to Chage A Lightbulb?
From: Catherine <cather...@my-deja.com>
Date: 2000/12/13
Humor
From: slucas99 <loo...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Phantom of RAMD no closer to my Identity.
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 06:25:14 GMT
article <91c7kq$437$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,Reply-to: gram...@yahoo.com
RICE?
> From: WCUM...@aol.com
> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 23:18:47 EST
> Subject: THANK YOU!!!!!
> To: Sday...@aol.com, Toda...@aol.com, maf...@pitt.edu,
> sandov...@hotmail.com, johns...@bluecoatssops.8m.com,
> Clrg...@aol.com, Pbbl...@aol.com,
scanga...@devalcol.edu,
> BMd...@aol.com, stevenm...@yahoo.com,
drops...@hotmail.com,
> surroundi...@bluecoatssops.8m.com, Sloth...@aol.com,
> amk...@psu.edu, fren...@kkpsi.org, Bones...@aol.com,
> Newt...@aol.com, youn...@osu.edu, Maest...@aol.com,
> jesusth...@hotmail.com, MMin...@aol.com,
Bari...@aol.com,
> jfl...@hprhs.com, Irish...@aol.com, Gan...@aol.com,
> Nycstude...@aol.com, ser...@juno.com,
ksas...@apex.site.com,
> Kelib...@aol.com, Ceph...@aol.com, vince...@yahoo.com,
> dun...@netwrx.net, j...@mail.bfm.org, Cozy...@aol.com,
> Bmcg...@aol.com, VKGA...@aol.com, Ray...@aol.com,
> ch...@request.com, PaulD...@aol.com,
> states...@worldnet.att.net,
> st...@prolog.net, mell...@juno.com,
mrz...@student.wisc.edu,
> Bert...@aol.com, alto...@bellsouth.net,
jbur...@patriot.net,
> SCA...@aol.com, jay...@yahoo.com, divagu...@hotmail.com,
> tourr...@webtv.net, pam_wi...@vanguard.com,
Tomm...@aol.com,
> Dre...@aol.com, wcut...@yahoo.com
All the people on To: list for Most Helpful and/or Virtual Public
Service
Subject: Growing (not Saving) the Corps Activity
From: Catherine <cather...@my-deja.com>
Date: 2000/12/05
Essay, Definition of Drum Corps.
RICE, Challenge
Subject: Re: What is louder -B flat or G??
From: lega...@aol.com (LEG at cba)
Date: 2000/12/05
Best Essay, Best Thread. Also check out Steven
Musumeche, Chuck Naffier, Stan Maddox, and Mike
Davis.
Subject: A opposing viewpoint re: RAMD
From: drum...@aol.comnospam (DRUMLAW80)
Date: 2000/12/04
From: trad...@juno.com
Subject: Re: Can Drum Corps Be Saved?
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 07:24:52 GMT
article <90h2fg$lbr$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>
From: vkga...@aol.com
Subject: Re: Um, who is this Catherine chick...
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 05:42:05 GMT
article <20001202174242...@ng-fn1.aol.com>
Humor
From: blue...@hotmail.com (M.M.) Subject: Re: "The
Competition".....please read through
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 05:43:26 GMT
article <8FFDE6ECEBluem...@128.210.11.21>
Best Challenge
From: Whitney <whitney...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Letters To/From Santa
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 14:35:08 GMT
Mental Image, Humor, Best Online Friends ;-)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 17:53:14 -0500 (EST)
From: Whitney Densmore <wden...@wlu.ca>
Subject: OT: Been Conned at RAMD?
Message-ID: <8ucjqr$dsc$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>
Public Service
Best challenge
Subject: My Offer to Shut Up
From: "Shaun P. Hickson" <sphi...@mediaone.net>
Date: 2000/11/29
From: drum...@aol.comnospam (DRUMLAW80)
Subject: Re: Um, who is this Catherine chick...
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 07:56:36 GMT
article <20001129225830...@ng-ck1.aol.com>
Tasteless. Hiliarious, but still tasteless
From: drum...@aol.comnospam (DRUMLAW80) Subject: Re: Random notes re:
the December DCW
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:30:30 GMT
In article <20001127232548...@ng-fr1.aol.com>,
Humor
Shaun, Levi, and Catherine together for RICE,
Levi for Most Logical Argument.
Re: Not OT - the Best of Corps Times
From: Levi Boldt <bold...@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: 2000/11/28
Spoof, complete with web site!
Subject: Plastic contras are here!
From: Stan Maddox <slm...@macomb.com>
Date: 2000/11/20
From: Whitney <whitney...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Current Passion of Former Color Guard Members
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 06:00:47 GMT
article <8vc937$5bf$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>
"Best Definition of Drum Corps" "Best Essay" "Best Challenge"
From: "IrishMomTX" <a000...@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: OffTopic: The Florida Players
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 07:42:45 GMT
<0E735FBD979FC360.49C709E5...@lp.airnews.net>,VirtVirtual
Public Service, RICE
Spoof, mental image.
Subject: Re: Somebody 'splain this recount to me
From: idontwa...@gateway.net (Idontwantoknow)
Date: 2000/11/18
RICE, Response to Flame, Best Analysis.
Subject: Re: OT: Gore, Hungry for Power (Wash Post)
From: mca...@mindspring.com
Date: 2000/11/17
RICE, Response to Flame
Subject: Re: OT: Gore, Hungry for Power (Wash Post)
From: Levi Boldt <bold...@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: 2000/11/14
From: dman...@cisco.com
Subject: Re: Snapette's Cancel Canadian Auditions
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 06:31:50 GMT
article <3A15F906...@cisco.com>
spoof,web page
From: DRUMAJOR <www.JeffreyCJohnson.c-o-m-@>
Subject: Re: HAVING PROBLEMS IN THE BEDROOM?
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 05:50:10 GMT
article <86371t8m9o9uvichb...@4ax.com>
Spoof, humor, mental image, definition of drum corps
From: TourR...@webtv.net
Subject: Re: OT: To All Armchair Pundits
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 04:34:12 GMT
article <3963-3A1...@storefull-231.iap.bryant.webtv.net>Reply-to:
Most Logical Argument and Best Essay Voice of Reason
From: Nikk Pilato <pila...@cmr.fsu.edu>
Subject: Re: The real reason there have been ties in DCI Finals///
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 05:11:14 GMT
article <8up5ed$hl9$2...@news.fsu.edu>
Best Humor and Best Spoof
From: idontwa...@gateway.net (Idontwantoknow)
Subject: Re: OT: Get out the Cool-Aide!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 06:36:24 GMT
article
<20001110134347...@ng-md1.news.gateway.net>,Reply-"best
mental image" "response to flame"
From: idontwa...@gateway.net (Idontwantoknow)
Subject: Re: OT: Is Bush a Dummy?
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 19:39:02 GMT
article
<20001109122035...@ng-md1.news.gateway.net>Reply-best
response to flame, best challenge, most logical argument, most
accurate, one of the public service awards, and Hall of Fame. Dan
continues and Alan worst online adversaries. Dan most annoying.
Response to flame for Alan! FBI for Dan on this same thread
Subject: Re: OT: Is Bush a Dummy?
From: idontwa...@gateway.net (Idontwantoknow)
Date: 2000/11/09
From: idontwa...@gateway.net (Idontwantoknow)
Subject: Re: OT: Florida election screwups
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 05:35:50 GMT
public service
Flame/response to flame
Subject: Re: OT: FSU and my Master Plan begins...
From: Nikk Pilato <pila...@cmr.fsu.edu>
Date: 2000/10/16
Golden Shovel
Subject: Press Release:Cadets,DCI, and YEA merge
From: rush...@aol.com (Rush0705)
Date: 2000/10/20
From: kno...@rootcom.net
Subject: Re: Where is Peter Emmons?
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 04:20:25 GMT
article <8rq7uq$7s9$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>
Best mental image
Best Essay
Subject: Re: Mazur on DCA/Billy YEA$ Speakman
From: Harry Baer IV <baer...@mindspring.com>
Date: 2000/09/10
From: Kristofer Baumgartner <kris...@cni-usa.com>
(Also Kent Shook)
Subject: Re: Cartoon Characters Depicting Corps! =]
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 03:47:43 GMT
article <39BD9ED1...@cni-usa.com>
best mental image!
Great Essay/Definition of Drum Corps!
Subject: Mazur on DCA/Billy YEA$ Speakman
From: silve...@aol.com (SILVERDOTS)
Date: 2000/09/09
Best Show Review
Subject: Eric's DCA Finals Review
From: "Eric Senzig" <ese...@bbnow.net>
Date: 2000/09/05
Best spoof, best humor, best fiction, best flame!
Subject: Madison changes name to "Crunchy Frog"
From: drum...@aol.comnospam (DRUMLAW80)
Date: 2000/09/07
From: "Jack Meihoph" <ma...@mail.com>
Subject: PHONY ON RAMD!!!
Date: 23 Aug 2000 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <sq8tkm...@news.supernews.com>
Most Annoying, Golden Shovel, tasteless
(Impersonation of Ralph Hardimon)
Response to Flame!
Subject: Re: Ken Mazur to Mich Band Director
From: idontwa...@gateway.net (Idontwantoknow)
Date: 2000/08/26
Should be best war story, but best quote will do instead.
Subject: Re: "Under the Lights"
From: flatla...@my-deja.com
Date: 2000/08/25
"holy shit these guys are serious."
Definition of Drum Corps
Subject: Re: Blast-DCI take lessons
From: kaych...@aol.com (KayChanclr)
Date: 2000/08/25
Best essay, Definition of Drum Corps
Subject: Ken Mazur to Larry and Nikk
From: silve...@aol.com (SILVERDOTS)
Date: 2000/08/25
Alan Mundy for Voice of Reason
Subject: Re: Ken Mazur to Larry Hyme (VKDM CHIME IN!!!)
From: idontwa...@gateway.net (Idontwantoknow)
Date: 2000/08/25
Fiction/Spoof
Subject: Re: "marching band - educational?" - 10 DAYS LEFT
From: "Beckham, Rick [RICH1:2L24-M:EXCH]" <rbec...@americasm01.nt.com>
Date: 2000/08/23
Best Challenge
Subject: My Challenge to Ken Mazur...
From: Nikk Pilato <pila...@cmr.fsu.edu>
Date: 2000/08/23
Most Tasteless!
Subject: To Ken Mazur
From: "Jack Meihoph" <ma...@mail.com>
Date: 2000/08/22
Best Challenge.
Subject: Ken Mazur off his rocker????????
From: "KevinG" <digit...@hotmail.com>
Date: 2000/08/22
Golden shovel!
Subject: akcdi...@aol.com - new bass tech for Provincetown
Queensmen!!!
From: "Ace" <sl...@biteme.com>
Date: 2000/08/21
New Poster (Lon Blais), Definition of Drum Corps
From: Viscera IX (visc...@aol.com)
Subject: OLD DRUM CORPS SUCKED/NEW DRUM CORPS SUCKS
Date: 2000-08-21 16:42:49 PST
Best Flame
From: Nikk Pilato (pila...@cmr.fsu.edu)
Subject: Re: Blue Knights - screwed out of 5th?
Date: 2000-08-20 13:15:46 PST
Most Logical Argument, Definiton of Drum Corps?
From: Maureen Greene (MAUREE...@prodigy.net)
Subject: Re: Kinda sad - A Rant Continued
Date: 2000-08-17 19:48:43 PST
RICE?
Subject: probability of tie = 6-8%
From: Vincent Ferrera <vp...@columbia.edu>
Date: 2000/08/19
Best definition of drum corps?
Subject: Re: Cadets Best Brass Band
From: "Maureen Greene" <MAUREE...@prodigy.net>
Date: 2000/08/17
__________________________________________________
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Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail.
http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
--
Posted from web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]
via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG
psi...@mindspring.com
*POUT*
Chris Green
http://savedci.htmlplanet.com
Vince Lamb <gram...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2001030906130...@web802.mail.yahoo.com...
Heartly1086
From: Viscera IX (visc...@aol.com)
Subject: OLD DRUM CORPS SUCKED/NEW DRUM CORPS SUCKS
Date: 2000-08-21 16:42:49 PST >>
As a newcomer- I'm flattered.
Thank you, Vince and the entire "nominating committee".
Lon
Skywnch320970
fran/jan
hey, my multiple personalities LIKE each other.....
WHAT THE HELL HAVE I BEEN MISSING HERE?
Kevin Gamin
> WHAT THE HELL HAVE I BEEN MISSING HERE?
Would you like the short list? :)
Kevin "Gadget" Gamin
DRUMAJOR
>
> fran/jan
Fran: Smooch!
Jan: Smooch!
We missed you both! (And so did I)
> hey, my multiple personalities LIKE each other.....
Better that than carrying ramd with you. ;-)
> WHAT THE HELL HAVE I BEEN MISSING HERE?
Oh, not much. Same old stuff. %^)
Skywnch320970
kevin, e-mail me if you have the cliff notes version handy. i come back, and
all hell has broken loose!
i'm so confused!
jan
Skywnch320970
>>
>> fran/jan
>
>Fran: Smooch!
>Jan: Smooch!
>
>We missed you both! (And so did I)
>
aawwwww, I'M BLUSHING!
-jan
HEY, BRING IT ON BIG BOY!!!
-fran
DRUMAJOR
Well shucks, Miss Fran, I'll be right over! How's about I pick up a
'68 vintage Cabernet and a matching DC tape. We'll just sit back,
relax, watch a video and wash away that there jet lag. [click]
Skywnch320970
>'68 vintage Cabernet and a matching DC tape. We'll just sit back,
>relax, watch a video and wash away that there jet lag. [click]
well, unfortunately for you (and all the men in the world that think they can
get me drunk and have their * way* with me) i don't drink.....but a nice bubble
bath works wonders! Ü
DRUMAJOR
No no no... that was a typo... I meant Bubblet to wash the jet lag
away! Just rounding the corner now... be there in a minute. [click]
Richard V Lamb
}*POUT*
}Chris Green
Richard V. Lamb
on Google. I'm going in chronological order from March 1, 2000 to August 9,
2000. Here's the first:
Response to Flame
> > From: Levi Boldt <bold...@pilot.msu.edu>
> > Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
> > Subject: Re: **RAMD
> > Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 06:51:08 -0500
> > Message-ID: <38BD042C...@pilot.msu.edu>
> > References: <20000228133203...@ng-cf1.aol.com>
> > <20000228133723...@ng-fk1.aol.com>
> > <BPAu4.265$o5.8...@homer.alpha.net>
> > <nrvmbs4f14bsnokrn...@4ax.com>
> >
> > > Contrary to popular belief (I would say "opinion,
> > > instead of "belief", but I don't have a shred of
> > > evidence to back up my claim), RAMD doesn't stand
> > > for rec.arts.marching.drumcorps.
> > >
> > > No-- in fact, hell no. It stands for Really Anal
> > > people in need of a MoDerator. Or, Really Anal
> > > people with too much tiMe on their hanDs.
> >
> > In RAMD's defense, the newsgroup is much more civil and cordial
> than
> > it
> > was when I first started posting in 1996. RAMD is by no means the
> > perfect community of intellects dedicated to the sharing and
> > dispassionate critique of ideas.
> >
> > On the flip side, it has been MUCH worse and is headed in the right
> > general direction. (Hey, we've even got Michael Cahill and Mike
> Davis
> > being civil to each other now...) I'll take what I can get.
> >
> > --
> > Levi Boldt
> >
> > "Man will occasionally stumble over
> > the truth, but most of the time he
> > will pick himself up and continue."
> > - Winston Churchill
Vince Lamb
B.S. UCLA, M.S. Cal. State Northridge, Ph.D. University of Michigan
Anaheim Kingmen 1978; North Star 1979, 1981
RAMD/DCWorld Pollmaster 1993-2001, gRAMDies MC 1996-2001
"The closest thing RAMD has to an elder statesman"--Shaun Hickson.
"Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of RAMD? The Pollmasters do!"
Richard V. Lamb
on Google. I'm going in chronological order from March 1, 2000 to August 9,
The person responsible was Eric Landis. Oh, well, I still owe him a
Pepsi!
> From: Vince Lamb <vince...@yahoo.com>
> To: gram...@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: ONE MORE CORPS FOLDING
> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:15:48 GMT
> Organization: The gRAMDies
>
> What crap! I'm forwarding this to the gRAMDies account as a so the
> original post by "pimply faced wannabe" can be a nominee for Golden
> Shovel in 2001.
>
> Vince Lamb
>
> In article <Dhrz4.5511$b8.6...@news4.usenetserver.com>,
> ssor...@NOSPAM.knology.net (Steve Sorrell) wrote:
> > In article <_frz4.5510$b8.6...@news4.usenetserver.com>,
> ssor...@NOSPAM.knology.net (Steve Sorrell) wrote:
> > >In article <38ce3...@news2.one.net>, n...@email.moc (pimply faced
> wannabe)
> > > wrote:
> > >>RAMD community members, this link will not provide you with more
> information.
> > >>
> > >>http://www.4mycommunity.com/online/detail/org.asp?id=802064
> > >>
> > >>Eric
> > >
> > >Huh?
> > >
> > >
> > Never mind...I got it. This was a cheap way to get us to visit that
> website
> > so that you could meet the 50 new visitor quota and receive $100.
> Very
> > clever.
> >
> > Steve
Richard V. Lamb
> From: Vince Lamb <vince...@yahoo.com>
> To: gram...@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: LR: Let's ban the idiotic word "Pagentry"
> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 00:09:09 GMT
> Organization: The gRAMDies
>
> :-6
>
> I am hereby selecting this post as a candidate for most tasteless
> comment for the 2001 gRAMDies!
>
> Vince Lamb
> gRAMDies MC
>
> In article <38da8d79...@news.earthlink.net>,
> reply.t...@usenet.com wrote:
> > Join my new organisation:
> >
> > Carefully Update Nostalgic Terms
> >
> > Lets work together, under CUNT, to fill the void left by outmoded
> > terminology.
> >
> > I look forward to everyone's contribution to this worthy endeavour.
> >
> > On 23 Mar 2000 07:25:06 GMT, drum...@aol.com (DRUMLAW80) wrote:
> >
> > >Dear everyone -- As we (hopefully) strive to promote and market
> our
> activity in
> > >the ever present drive to increase our fan base, I have a
> suggestion
> for the
> > >entire drum and bugle corps activity.
> > >
> > >Let's get rid of the word "pagentry." "Pagentry" has to be the
> most
> weak,
> > >ridiculous, and innappropriate word ever used to describe drum
> corps
> in
> > >history. Drum corps isn't "pagentry." It is LOUD, big and intended
> to
> "knock
> > >your socks off" the first time you hear it. Pagentry sounds
> cutesy,
> stupid and
> > >weak. Who in their right mind thinks "pagentry" when the Blue
> Devil,
> Madison
> > >or SCV horn line makes their ears bleed?
> > >
> > >To me, the word "pagentry" brings to mind a 12 piece out of tune
> and
> out of
> > >step high school marching band with faded pink flags somewhere in
> the
> middle of
> > >a small farming community, being laughed at by the local football
> team, and all
> > >those people not buying hotdogs at halftime. Further, no one who
> spends their
> > >Saturday watching sports on TV is going to be inclined to buy a
> ticket to check
> > >out a new event based on "pagentry."
> > >
> > >Surely we can do better than that. As the English guy said on here
> recently,
> > >drum corps should be marketed as "The Sport of the Arts" or
> something
> similar
> > >that actually makes people want to check it out. Get it? Market
> the
> activity
> > >well = sell more tickets = more endorsements and corporate
> sponsorship = more
> > >money = more exposure and even more money to put towards marketing
> endeavors =
> > >more drum corps.
> > >
> > >
> > >And while we're at it, I officially declare the phrase "senior
> corps"
> dead.
> > >
> > >The Renegades are no longer a senior corps. They are simply an
> evil
> drum corps
> > >that doesn't kick you out when you turn 22. Ditto for the
> Bushwackers, as I
> > >understand it. For the record, it is my mission that the Renegades
> will
> > >redefine what this activity is about over the course of the next
> five
> years.
> > >
> > >It is not about "reliving the past."
> > >
> > >It is about defining the future.
> > >
> > >
> > >(stepping off the soap box painted black)
Richard V. Lamb
Best Mental Image and Best Humor.
> Subject: Re: LR: An announcement of impending chaos
> From: Phrenchy <now...@man.comxxxnotmyrealaddy>
> Date: 2000/03/27
> Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
> on 3/27/00 11:05 AM, in article 38DF86B4...@qtip.ca.boeing.com;
> thus
> spake James C. Nevermann from jcn...@qtip.ca.boeing.com
>
> > Phrenchy wrote:
> >>
> >> on 3/24/00 5:57 PM, in article
> 20000324175736...@ng-bd1.aol.com;
> >> thus spake DRUMLAW80 from drum...@aol.com
> >
> >>> corps activity, and I am on the verge of causing extreme chaos.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Lee Rudnicki
> >>
> >> Should I head for the bunkers and stockpile beans?
> >
> > Eating stockpiled beans in a bunker would cause extreme chaos.
>
> *Rumble*
>
> --
> Jason C Frith
> Wad Squad '92-96
> Crown '95
> Email: <ja...@frith.com>
> http://jason.frith.com <-- Written by a cracked team of monkeys.
Richard V. Lamb
best flame/response to flame for Lee
> Subject: Re: What's wrong with BD? --- NOTHING!
> From: "Terri Dittrich" <kiltie...@earthlink.net>
> Date: 2000/03/26
> Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
> I'm gonna have to save this one for best flame next year! ROTFLMAO!
>
> -Terri
> ----------
> In article <20000325150658...@ng-fk1.aol.com>,
> drum...@aol.com
> (DRUMLAW80) wrote:
>
>
> >>>> And save your rejoinder to them. Their concerns are the sum and
> >substance of my own unspoken concerns in this matter.
> >
> >
> >When your done babbling in your version of "Old English (circa
> 1543), imagine
> >this -
> >
> >1. I take approximately 12 small pretzels and put them into my
> mouth.
> >
> >2. I chew them until they are in paste form.
> >
> >3. I place both thumbs on the temples of my head, and extend the
> fingers
> >straight up.
> >
> >4. I begin to wave my hands forward and backwards (while keeping the
> thumbs
> >pressed against my head.)
> >
> >5. I make the "spzzzzzzz" sound with my tounge, spitting the
> pretzels in your
> >general direction.
> >
> >
> >That is my rebuttal, and all your self indulgent 300 page planar
> analysed of a
> >wacky tirade deserves.
> >
> >
> >Lee Rudnicki
> >
> >http://hometown.aol.com/drumlaw80/index.html
> >
> >http://www.hejda.cz/Camery/praha1.htm
Richard V. Lamb
Best Flame?
> Subject: Summation of Stuart Rice's Arguments
> From: Rick Beckham <rbec...@nortelnetworks.com>
> Date: 2000/03/27
> Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
> 1.) Those that do no research cannot question those that do. To do
> so
> suggests that
> researchers make mistakes that non-researchers can find.
> Perish
> the thought.
> Argument: "I don't believe you proved the conclusion."
> Stu's rebuttal: "I don't see you writing research papers."
>
> 2.) Research papers can only be reviewed favorably, or in a way that
> does not indicate
> flaws with the research. Any positive review will be used as
> proof that the paper
> was correct; any review that finds flaws will be labelled
> "slanderous", "reputation
> destructive", "lies", "negative", "an attack".
> Argument: "Stu, you didn't prove your conclusion based on x,
> y,
> and z."
> Stu's response: "Dr. Nick said my paper was 'interesting', and
> he
> didn't raise any
> objections, so your conclusions about my conclusions must be
> wrong. Which
> proves I'm right." Ba-boom crash.
>
> 3.) Logic is unnecessary in a research paper; conclusions can be
> drawn
> from thin air.
>
> 4.) Research outweighes experience, particularly when a person of
> more
> experience
> questions a researcher's conclusions. Experience outweighes
> research, particularly
> when a person with more academic background questions the
> researcher.
> Argument: "Stu, your case studies are inconclusive."
> Stu's response: "I believe I have marched more years than you,
> who are you to question
> my research?" or "I don't care if you have more experience
> teaching marching, who
> are you to question someone who has more years researching?"
>
> 5.) Speaking in front of a crowd on a researched topic elevates that
> person to "Highest
> Exalted Authority", to which omniscence is granted.
>
> 6.) Demerits are necessary to keep scholars "in line"; it helps to
> prevent said scholars
> from degenerating into a "Stooge-a-thon." The only time
> demerits
> are needed is
> when someone disagrees with Moe, I mean Stuart.
>
> 7.) If one remains silent, they have "tacitly approved". Yet when one
> speaks out against, they
> are troublemakers deserving of demerits.
>
> 8.) RAMD is unworthy of Stuart Rice and his research. Yet oddly
> enough
> Stu can't find
> another crowd that is.
>
> 9.) Philosophy is worthless; long live marching. Forget using
> philosophy
> as a foundation for
> structuring one's life, simply march in a drone-like fashion
> behind a leader and
> problems will seem unimportant. Gee, if only Plato, Socrates,
> Kant, Locke, Aquinas, Lenin, and
> the thousands of other philosophers had figured this out
> imagine
> where we'd be with
> marching research today. It staggers the imagination.
Richard V. Lamb
Humor, Spoof (for Jim Nevermann)
--- Vince Lamb <vince...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> From: Vince Lamb <vince...@yahoo.com>
> To: gram...@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: how too rite olmost unreedabul e-mail
> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 20:48:44 GMT
> Organization: The gRAMDies
>
> This has to be one of the strangest cross-postings I've seen in a
> long
> time--rec.arts.anime.models and rec.arts.marching.drumcorps!
>
> I have a serious response, but I'll save it for the original post.
> In
> the meantime, go "Never Man"! :-D I'm sending this over to save as
> a
> possible gRAMDies nominee for 2001.
>
> Vince Lamb
> gRAMDies MC
>
> In article <38EB5D9F...@qtip.ca.boeing.com>,
> "James C. Nevermann" <jcn...@qtip.ca.boeing.com> wrote:
> > > i want to buy some models but i can't find them in the stores
> > > dores any one know when they are coming to stores, I can't order
> them off
> > > the internet becuse always think they will take my credit card
> numder
> > > does any one no aff a trusted site
> >
> > i want to rite an aks peple qwestons on newsgrups but don't wun too
> > take the tame or efort to trie an spel curectly or uss the write
> > punktashun becaws peple will no what i meen isent that rite, anyon
> > shoud be able too unerstan what i mean, yea maabee im bein a jerk
> for
> > respunding this waay but i seee soooooo maney posts that aree
> almust
> > ilegabull becaws of reely sluppy gramer an speling that wood tek no
> > more thin a minut to reed thrugh and correct, if they cumunicaat
> thet
> > way now four nothn mor thin a hobby, kan you imajun whut will hapen
> > when thay trie to e-mail as port of ther job usin that same slupy
> > speling an gramor, i hav a vary hord time beleeving al thees posts
> are
> > frum peepl too whoom englush is nut ther furst langwaage
> >
> > --
> > Jim Nevermann
> > [usual disclaimers]
Richard V. Lamb
=====
>I promised to post the articles in my contenders file that are not currently
>on Google. I'm going in chronological order from March 1, 2000 to August 9,
>2000.
I had to re-logon to mailandnews, so I've lost count:
(FBI)
> Subject: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong...
> From: wroe4...@aol.com (WRoe424922)
> Date: 2000/04/15
> Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
> >..but isn't this a drum corps newgroup? If so, then why is there so
> much crap
> >about Elian on here. It's bad enough that everyone talks trash about
> everyone
> >else in here as it is, but then people have to add this garbage to
> it. Get
> >over
> >it and find another newgroup.
>
> ....you don't get it!!!!.......Elian; note the "n" and "i" in his
> name........the SAME two letters that ALSO appear in
> Hopkins!!!.....it ALL ties
> together....you have got to learn to stay on top of these
> things!!!..........
Richard V. Lamb
> > From: Rick Beckham <rbec...@fastlane.net>
> > Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 9:10 PM
> > Subject: RAMD Limerick Contest
> >
> >
> > > Let's have a limerick contest, where the limerick must mention a
> > corps or
> > > something about drum corps.
> > >
> > > Said a judge one night on a tape,
> > > "My eyes are wide and agape
> > > for a young lady from Bush
> > > fell down on her tush
> > > and everything came off but her cape"
Richard V. Lamb
> --- "Michael J. Duffy" <mike-...@att.net> wrote:
> > Vince Lamb wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > d8= Your pet beaver is wearing goggles and a hard hat.
> > >
> >
> > The Alberta All Girls Drum and Bugle Band gave me a poster
> > they picked up in Amsterdam.
> >
> > Your "Pet Weasel*" wearing sun glasses and smoking a joint!
> >
> > *Looked a lot like Frank "Burnt Weenie" Zappa
> >
> > {8!~
Richard V. Lamb
(BTW, Terri's post worked. She won best flame last year!)
> > ----------
> > From: Terri Dittrich <kiltie...@earthlink.net>
> > Newsgroups: <rec.arts.marching.drumcorps>
> > Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 16:08:54 -0500
> > Subject: OT: Shameless begging for best flame gRAMDie
> >
> > Do you ever want to make anyone's life miserable? Well, I usually
> > don't, but
> > when some bum sucks $$$thousands$$$ off me, I do! Sorry, but I do.
> >
> > So if you haven't cast your gRAMDie content award ballot, then do
> it
> > now,
> > get off your lazy butt! LOL!
> >
> > And vote for me for best flame. You can even give me a grazzie if
> > you
> > really hate me but only if you give me best flame.
> >
> > I won't get my thousands back but I'll get personal satisfaction.
> At
> > least
> > until finals when I get to see my husband Jim kick someone's sorry
> > scrawny
> > ass!
> >
> > Bringing bail money to DC!
> >
> > See ya wimp,
> >
> > Terri
Richard V. Lamb
> Subject: Re: OT: Howdy in CONCERT
> From: Levi Boldt <bold...@pilot.msu.edu>
> Date: 2000/04/28
> Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
> "Michael E. Schmidt" wrote:
>
> > Ramd ain't no term paper.
>
> Thank goodness! I've been writing my share of those lately. I've got
> a
> 20-page paper to finish up for tomorrow, so I won't waste too much of
> your time.
>
> > I have a stack of those over 2 feet high that I
> > have written and I bet over 90 % of those have
> > the grade of an A or A - on them. My Masters
> > G.P.A.'s were 3.46 on a 4 point scale, and 3.8
> > on a 4 point scale.
>
> I'm glad to hear that you've done so well. I'll be applying for grad
> school next semester, so maybe I could use you as a reference...
>
> > The fact that you were so rude to George
> > assures me that I should not be very concerned
> > about your rude comments to me.
>
> It was intended and received as a joke. If you don't believe me, ask
> Vince Lamb. He was right there when I gave Hoppy the book, laughing
> his
> face off.
>
> > If you want to know how you can go to heaven when
> > you die I will be glad to tell you,
>
> If you want to talk theology, I would be interested to hear your view
> on
> predestination, specifically as in reference to Romans 9 and Hebrews
> 6.
> Just email your thoughts directly to me, don't use up RAMD bandwith,
> as
> such a discussion is off topic. (As if being off-topic is the "8th
> deadly sin" around here...)
>
> --
> Levi Boldt
>
> "Man will occasionally stumble over
> the truth, but most of the time he
> will pick himself up and continue."
> - Winston Churchill
>
Vince Lamb
Richard V. Lamb
> --- Eric <ela...@one.net> wrote:
> > To: vince...@yahoo.com
> > From: Eric <ela...@one.net>
> > Subject: gRAMDie award
> > Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 17:53:34 -0400
> >
> > Worst butchering of english language. By this I don't mean
> NOTABANDO
> > or
> > the high school and college punks who write.... everything with
> these
> > dots.... no caps... etc. I mean real people who make silly
> > substitutions
> > or fantastic spelling errors:
> >
> > <bps...@monmouth.com> in "Re: Drum Corps Battery in the Rear in
> > Parades"
> > When situation allows like field exhibitions the drums are in plane
> > view
> > and can do do their "thing" ------ Now we're talking a whole new
> > visual
> > compared to indoor (snip)
> >
> > Bob may have meant that the drums are in a planar view on a field.
> > After
> > reading the text he quoted you will see he meant "plain" instead of
> > "plane."
> >
> > I quit complaining about RAMD grammar a long time ago because 50%
> of
> > the
> > posts contain errors that a 3rd grader could find. And that's with
> > the
> > Doran brothers in my killfile! Those 50% aside, there are a few
> > honorable
> > mentions for interesting homonyms and spelling that is nowhere
> close.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > P.S. I don't know if I ever got credited with this, but I wrote
> the
> > "don't
> > follow this link" post to get everyone to hit that one fundraising
> > website.
> > Don't let this P.S. overshadow the message above. Was that the
> > Golden Hoe
> > or something?
> >
> > P.P.S. Weren't you going to get me a Pepsi at a show someday? I'm
> > waiting.
Richard V. Lamb
>
> A tag-team effort from Sue and Ron.
> Subject: Re: Howdy Bashing:Howdy and Leadership
> From: RDes...@recorder.ca (RDeschene)
> Date: 2000/06/06
> Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
> On Tue, 06 Jun 2000 15:24:52 GMT, Ron Allard <R...@Diceman.com> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 05 Jun 2000 19:35:12 -0400, Michael E. Schmidt wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>Steve :
> >>Again you stoop to childish namecalling to try and make me look
> bad.
> >>You are not acting like a professional.
> >>I do not care.
> >>I am not trying to make myself look good, if people think that I am
> great
> >>then I have failed youall.
> >>I want you to see how great Jesus is.
> >>It is Jesus who saved me from my self centered life .
> >>Is the way that you treat me any way to treat a minister of the
> gospel?
> >>I wonder if you are even saved, Steve.
> >>Did you ever wonder what the song "salvati Steve.
> >>I care about your soul, Steve.
> >>Where will you go when you die?
> >>Do you know for sure if you died that you would go to heaven.
> >>Remember that WE ARE THE REASON THAT HE GAVE HIS LIFE.
> >>Jesus gave his life to you STEVE, will you accept his arms of love
> ?
> >>God loves you. Christ died for you.
> >>This is what I care about Steve, Only what is done for Jesus is
> going to
> >>last.
> >>Read Revelation Chapter 20 Steve.
> >>May God bless you with a million blessings.
> >>I wish you the best of Gods blessings .
> >>Michael
> >
> >
> >Dear Michael,
> >
> >Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's
> >Law. I have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that
> knowledge
> >with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the
> homosexual
> >lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22
> clearly states
> >it to be an abomination. End of debate.
> >
> >I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the
> specific laws and
> >how to best follow them:
> >
> >a. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates
> a pleasing
> >odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They
> claim the odor
> >is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?
> >
> >b. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in
> Exodus
> >21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price
> for her?
> >
> >c. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in
> her period
> >of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I
> tell? I
> >have tried asking, but most women take offense.
> >
> >d. Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that
> are around us.
> >A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not
> Canadians. Can
> >you clarify?
> >
> >e. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus
> 35:2 clearly
> >states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him
> myself?
> >
> >f. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
> Abomination
> >(Lev. 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't
> agree. Can
> >you settle this?
> >
> >g. Lev. 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I
> have a defect
> >in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my
> vision have to
> >be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
> >
> >
> >I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident
> you can
> >help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal
> and
> >unchanging.
> >
> >
> >
> LOL! Ah, yes, you got that "Dear Dr. Laura" letter too, eh?
>
> Over on the UU newsgroup, it was posted with the following additional
> section, along with the first attribution to the author I've seen in
> forwarded copies making the rounds via e-mail and Usenet:
>
> > OR
> >
> > The Top 14 Biblical Ways to Get a Wife
> >
> > 1. Find an attractive prisoner of war, bring her home,
> > shave her head, trim her nails, and give her new
> > clothes. Then she's yours. - (Deuteronomy 21:11-13)
> >
> > 2. Find a prostitute and marry her. - (Hosea 1:1-3)
> >
> > 3. Find a man with seven daughters, and impress
> > him by watering his flock.- Moses (Ex 2:16-21)
> >
> > 4. Purchase a piece of property, and get a woman
> > as part of the deal. Boaz (Ruth 4:5-10)
> >
> > 5. Go to a party and hide. When the women come
> > out to dance, grab one and carry her off to be your
> > wife. - Benjaminites (Judges 21:19-25)
> >
> > 6. Have God create a wife for you while you sleep.
> > Note: this will cost you.- Adam (Gen 2:19-24)
> >
> > 7. Agree to work seven years in exchange for a
> > woman's hand in marriage. Get tricked into
> > marrying the wrong woman. Then work another
> > seven years for the woman you wanted to marry
> > in the first place. That's right. Fourteen years of
> > toil for a wife. - Jacob (Genesis 29:15-30)
> >
> > 8. Cut 200 foreskins off of your future father-in-law's
> > enemies and get his daughter for a wife - David
> > (I Samuel 18:27)
> >
> > 9. Even if no one is out there, just wander around
> > a bit and you'll definitely find someone. (It's all
> > relative, of course.) - Cain (Genesis 4:16-17)
> >
> > 10. Become the emperor of a huge nation and
> > hold a beauty contest. - Xerxes or Ahasuerus (Esther 2:3-4)
> >
> > 11. When you see someone you like, go home
> > and tell your parents, "I have seen a ... woman;
> > now get her for me." If your parents question your
> > decision, simply say, "Get her for me. She's the
> > one for me." - Samson (Judges 14:1-)
> >
> > 12. Kill any husband and take HIS wife (Prepare
> > to lose four sons, though). - David (2 Samuel 11)
> >
> > 13. Wait for your brother to die. Take his widow.
> > (It's not just a good idea; it's the law.) - Onana and
> > Boaz (Deuteronomy or Leviticus, example in Ruth)
> >
> > 14. Don't be so picky. Make up for quality with
> > quantity. - Solomon (1 Kings 11:1-3)
> >
> > Chuck Larkin Bluegrass Storyteller & 19th Century Folk Singer
> >
> > Do your best, keep your word, face adversity and never remain
> silent.
> > One exists to do favors or Droch Shaol A Chara.
> >
> > 175 11th Street NE Atlanta, GA, USA
> > 800-952-7552 [99] 404-873-3868
> >
> The person who posted this over on the UU newsgroup said that this
> "is
> a satirical letter to Dr. Laura exerpted from an article by
> Chuck Larkin."
>
> As a writer, I have this thing for attribution. ;-)
>
> Sue
Richard V. Lamb
Voice
of Reason)
> Subject: Re: Howdy Bashing : Good habits.
> From: sai...@one.net
> Date: 2000/06/05
> Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
> In article <l81ojsgncuo6vbrdh...@4ax.com>, Ron Allard
> <R...@Diceman.com> wrote:
> >On Mon, 05 Jun 2000 15:08:32 GMT, RDeschene wrote:
> >
> >>Did he send them to more than one newsgroup? (He may have, and if
> so,
> >>I stand corrected.) But, if he sent them only to this newsgroup,
> then
> >>you'd have to make off-limits anyone else hawking CDs or some kind
> of
> >>merchandise (which may be on-topic, but often is not). Most of the
> >>time, folks either ignore those, or, if it's something that appeals
> to
> >>them, they might follow up on the offer.
> >>
> >>I'd suggest that that's how we treat Howdy's posts. Ignore them
> (or,
> >>if you have it, get killfile/filtering capability, use it). Or if
> they
> >>say something that interests you, then respond. Otherwise, we're
> just
> >>perpetuating the cycle that Howdy's shooting for.
> >>
> >>Sue
> >
> >Yep, exactly...
> >
> >I am a strong opponent of censorship in newsgroups. I would prefer
> using
> >killfiles and the [N]ext and [D]elete keys.
> >The very anarchy that so frustrates some is what makes the Internet
> so unique!
> >
> >I look at RAMD as a Cyber post-contest bar scene; folks here talk
> and argue
> >about myriad topics (not all on topic), and in the end I think
> that's a great
> >thing that brings us all closer... I for one have met some of the
> greatest
> >people on earth through here...
> >
> >But if it really is SPAM - as defined in numerous places, I have
> ways (as do
> >others here) of dealing with it...
> >(Which is why this newsgroup is relatively free of porno ads,
> etc...)
> >Heh...
> >
> >
>
>
> Damnit! Can't you see? I am a man!!!!"
>
> Michael "Doing his best 'Elephant Man' impersanation" Kolle
>
> So true Ron......Our own little "Speakers Corner"....In which each
> and
> everyone one of us can grab the "soapbox" for a while and truly
> vent....
> (Like I haven't!!!!) or share simple yet profound things.....a gentle
> moment
> of a show that happened long ago...or, even more profound, the effect
> of that
> "simple show" on the way the game is played today.......
>
> I have yet to find.....and seriously doubt I ever will....an activity
> that
> admonishes...but yet...cherishes...its roots....
>
> An activity that refuses to embrace the present and the changes it
> has brought
> about.....But is the first ones to use words like "family" or
> "comrade"....
> And give very sound and adept criticism......that can only
> help......help and
> nourish....giving faith...support...encouragement....to those who
> follow...walk in...fill....and, I hope to god......envelope....and
> surpass...our footsteps.....
>
> But, at the same time.....Help the "youth" (God...What a term! These
> "kids"
> can play rings around me!....But...and I will throw the gauntlet down
>
> anytime.....Can they out "Drum Corps" me?...Time will
> tell).....Realize
> something......As musical as Drum Corps is (and you "kids" have
> taught me more
> than I ever knew before)....Drum Corps is so much more than the
> music....the
> design.......the show......
>
> Its about people....Friends......Lovers.....Random Chances....
>
> Talk to me.......22 years after you left the activity.....And tell me
> about
> your sleepless nights....Those spent worrying about a
> friend.....someone you
> haven't seen in 20 some odd years...But is still dear to your heart
> because of
> "shared times".......
>
> Come back to this activity....2-5-10...maybe even 22 years after you
> quit!!!!!!!!.....But show the same energy.....the same belief.....the
> same
> faith and kinship......that held your heart when you marched........
> But, guess what?,........Be ready to believe....More so now than you
> ever did
> before.
>
> I had a unique experience this past weekend......working
> with/under....talking
> and drinking with a "comrade"....one from my "group" who is now and
> added to
> the group of three instructors I not only listen to and will follow
> their
> advice...But I also admire...(FYI.....I'm from the old school....If
> your title
> says "Staff" you are the Boss").....An "Old Phart" got a RE
> awakining.......One that came from another "Old Phart"...one who
> didn't leave
> this thing of ours but one who grew and adapted to the changes.....
>
> With the beer flowing freely....his words will echo to the day that I
>
> say "goodbye" to this activity that my family has had the HONOR to
> share for
> three generations......
>
> "This is drum corps....Do it or quit....There is no middle
> ground...there are
> no prisoners"
>
> We can talk all we
> want....Guard...Instrumantaion.......Battery...pit...G
> ...VS B.,.....
>
> This activity is about one thing...and one thing
> only.....people......
>
> The "Old Pharts" bitch about the young.......The young bitch and
> preach about
> the old....My challenge...My words........
>
> Damn....I'm at that age where every day "father time" says hello.....
> We all have demands on our time...our beliefs etc......Do you think I
> expect
> each and every one of you to start chomping at the bit to carry on a
> bit of
> tradition? Hell no!...I didn't! Mine bit me on the ass after 22
> years.
> My question......Where are the "12 year olds"?....~sigh~.....I
> know,,,,You
> don't even have to answer....Baseball...ballett....soccor...I
> know.....We have
> all faced them.....
>
> Raise your kids.....If drum corps/music is a part of it....all the
> best to
> you....If not......Toss the dice......Just remember....
>
> If drum corps had half the influence on you as it did me....Then
> guess
> what?...You are 10 steps ahead of you compatriots in the working
> world.....
> Nice thing isn't it?
> Isn't it something you would like to share?
> You "12 year olds" are getting that taste of management.....I don't
> envy
> you.....Been there....Surfed that but my MountainDew T-shirt has the
> old
> Hillbilly on it.......
>
> With or without drum corps in your current life...Just remember one
> thing......
>
> While it was there...
> You learned more in 3 months than most learn in 3 years....
> Kissing ass works today...But what about Finals week?
> God! I'M Frickin tired!...Thank god we got some sleep last night.
> "It looks good to you...But we are not happy...Lets do it again!"
> (Ever say that to your staff?)
> On this...You own my soul.....To do it any better would require a
> pact with
> the devil!
>
>
> Michael "Okay...You caught me tired and rambling....Damn I
> hurt!...But I think
> ya'll get the drift" Kolle
>
> Put up or shut up!....If you want to carry on the tradition then do
> so......Sweat....Blood...and tears are the cheapest you can
> do...(Yeah...right!)...But do whatever you can....Time
> wise......faith and
> belief wise....$$$$$$ wise.......
Richard V. Lamb
> Subject: Re: Spirit???
> From: "Achnod" <hymn...@msn.com>
> Date: 2000/06/14
> Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
> Well yippee!!!!!! I will contribute when I know there is a steady,
> intelligent management structure in place, and that the people
> spending the
> money are looking out for the kids.....
>
> Unlike the mgt. of Spirit, I don't throw my $$$ away.
>
> Oh, by the way.....are you a lesbian?
>
>
> "Sharcast2" <shar...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20000614193215...@ng-fz1.aol.com...
> > >Oh, by the way......pledges are not the same as money in the
> account, and
> > >$5400 may support the corps for about 9 days.
> > >
> > >Good luck Spirit....
> >
> >
> > Hey bud...
> >
> > My check is on the way. Do you challenge that people are not
> stepping up
> to
> > the plate when they say they are?
> >
> > I am not even a Spirit alumni. I just want to help the corps. I'm
> doing
> what
> > you have failed in your repsonses to even comment on. Contribute!!
> >
> > You wanna put up or shut up is what I say!
> >
> > Sharon,
> > Former competitor to Spirit
> >
> > (How do you like that?)
Richard V. Lamb
--- Vince Lamb <vince...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> From: Vince Lamb <vince...@yahoo.com>
> To: gram...@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: Hey Vince! (WAS: Re: spirit of atlanta)
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 23:04:13 GMT
> Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy.
>
> Ugh, I have to clean up all the HTML first!
>
> In article <394656E0...@frii.com>,
> Chuck Naffier <arra...@frii.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Vince,
> > I have an early nomination for the "Voice of Reason" category for
> the
> > 2001 gRAMDies. . .
> >
> > :-)
>
> > Chuck
>
> LOL :-D
>
> Thanks, Chuck!
>
> I'm fwding it to the gramdies account now, but I think I'll label it
> as "Best Response to Flame" even it is reasonable in content, if not
> tone!
>
> Hey, Rockonspirit--is that boiled potato hot out of the pan?
>
> Vince
>
> P.S. Will you be in Toledo?
>
> > ROCKONSPIRIT wrote:
> > GUNSZER/CLAYJN: Have you ever had a boiled potato
> > shoved up your
> > ass? Maybe someone should give you the pleasure.
> > Great Christ in the morning, where does ANYONE get off talking
> > shit about Spirit? Whoever posted this to begin with, YOUR TIRED
> > ASS evidentally is not out there marching in stifling heat in
> > freaking alabama busting your nuts , just so dickheads like you
> > can say half-witted remarks on RAMD. Those kids have been
> > slammed relentlessy from people and I am so sick of hearing it.
> > FUCK OFF and leave them alone. Whatever issues they have with
> > instructors are their business and theirs alone...its not as if
> > this sort of rumor bullshit thing has not happened before in the
> > drumcorps community, and you shoulden't be mentioning anyones
> > name in a public forum until you KNOW WHAT HAPPENED..so don't
> > open YOUR MOUTH again, a faceless coward with no scruples and
> > little respect for what this activity stands for. So heres for
> > some scruples...fuck yourself "clayjn" and "gunszer" or whoever
> > you think you are....and its not a lack of vocabulary, i know at
> > least 500 words in the english language and i still prefer to
> > say FUCK to PRICKS like yourself.
> > WORK IT SPIRIT, and TEAR IT UP COLORGUARD.
Richard V. Lamb
only to August really sucks for things like this!
> > From: Nikk Pilato <pila...@cmr.fsu.edu>
> > Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
> > Subject: Warning: Opinionated Orlando Review Here!
> > Date: 26 Jun 2000 14:57:14 GMT
> > Organization: Sith Lords R Us
> > Message-ID: <8j7r0a$ne1$1...@news.fsu.edu>
> >
> >
> > Disclaimer: THese are nothing but my opinions. If you must flame,
> > go
> > ahead and do so...it helps me figure out which people on RAMD are
> the
> > idiots who cannot accept others' opinions, and makes it a lot
> easier
> > for
> > me when deciding how to feed my killfile. Besides, after facing
> some
> > of
> > the most notorious names in RAMD's history, there ain't nothing a
> one
> > of
> > you could say that hasn't been said before.
> >
> > Tampa Bay Thunder (6th, 39.4)
> >
> > This is a first-year corps that is in good shape. The percussion
> > section was very good, and they played a lot of notes with a lot of
> > enthusiasm. For some reason I was expecting them to be wearing
> blue
> > instead of red, and it threw me for a loop.
> >
> > The drill is not particularly well-suited to this corps, as it has
> > some very young corps kids running all over the place out to the
> 30s
> > and
> > beyond, which spreads what is already a weak sound. At this point,
> > the
> > brass is the weakest chain, but I really believe a lot of it is the
> > way
> > the drill is written. It needs to be closer together and not
> spread
> > apart...this isn't a top 12 corps yet, so the drill doesn't need to
> > be a
> > Cadet/Cavalier special...all it has to be is Tampa drill. For now.
> >
> > Teal Sound (5th place, 40.65)
> >
> > The one thing that I can say about Teal's show is that the pit
> > player on the congas during theopener is a seriously EXCITED guy
> all
> > the
> > time. It was like he was a show all unto himself. The music was
> > very
> > good, but the percussion had a lot of problems, not the least of
> > which was
> > the dude on the end who seemed to forget the entire middle section
> > and
> > just sat there trying to get back into the game without much luck.
> > Judge
> > was standing right in front of him too. Also a corps with a lot of
> > potential, the drill was a little better thatn Thunder's, but also
> > too
> > spread out at times, and it seemed to linear for the flow of the
> > music.
> >
> > Spirit of Atlanta (4th place, 52.85)
> >
> > Hmmm....I have to start off by mentioning that the drum major of
> > Spirit of Atlanta is one of the most beautiful young ladies I have
> > ever
> > seen in the drum corps activity. She is also very good at what she
> > does.
> > If I were a perverted old man, I would say "SHE'S FREAKING HOT!!!"
> > But
> > since I'm not, I'll just comment that she really carries herself
> with
> > grace and elegance, and it looks very professional.
> >
> > The show itself didn't really connect with me, because I always
> > associate Atlanta with hot jazz. Donald Grantham is a modernistic
> > jazz
> > composer, and I'm not sure if his style of writing fits in with
> what
> > Spirit is doing, although they do it well. It is so nice to see
> this
> > corps out there and touring.
> >
> > After the show I got to meet Jason Lowe, and after I twisted his
> > arm behind his back and got him to say "Geoff Jones is my uncle and
> > The
> > Rock is gay," we talked. He's a cool kid, but very skinny. Maybe
> > I'll
> > send him some cookies or something. ;-)
> >
> > Crossmen (3rd place, 65.75)
> >
> > This is easily their most entertaining show for me since 1991's
> > Metheny offering. This corps cooks! It was kind of weird to see
> > Dean
> > Musson, Jeff Bridges, and Ron Coleman out there. You see...when I
> > started
> > corps back in 1989, this trio was the nucleus of Florida Wave.
> Then
> > when
> > I marched Regiment, they were a trio at Colts. Now they're with
> > Crossmen,
> > and I think they have done a great job. IT was crisp, exciting,
> and
> > fluid. Nice job with the charts, Chuck.
> >
> > The percussion just isn't the same as in years past, however, and
> > they will need to improve on that. It seemed to my friend that
> they
> > were
> > playing in a Thurston style, but not pulling it off. I thought
> this
> > corps
> > had done much better than the score indicated.
> >
> > Crown (2nd place, 66.0)
> >
> > This is the first year that I have been entertained by
> > Crown...they have a really good show. The guard is very cool,
> > although it
> > is distracting at times to have the ladies in totally different
> > outfits,
> > albeit they are all black. The drill seems pretty cool and
> > fast-paced,
> > and while there are still some major spacing and phasing concerns,
> > the
> > package is there, and this could be Crown's strongest corps ever.
> >
> > Cadets (1st place, 77.25)
> >
> > I'll admit it: I was prepared to hate Cadets' show because of the
> > pretentiousness of calling a show "We are the Future." Given that
> > Hopkins
> > has won several major victories in his quest to turn drum corps to
> > his
> > liking the last few years, it struck me (and a lot of folks around
> > me) as
> > overly pretentious.
> >
> > I'll also admit that I do not like George, and I am sure the
> > feeling is mutual. The last few times I had a chance to speak with
> > him,
> > he came across as rude, condescending, and arrogant. He seems to
> > evoke a
> > lot of different emotions from a lot of different people.
> >
> > That being said, this is the first Cadet show that I really,
> > really like since 1993's "In the Spring..." I was drawn into what
> > they
> > were doing, and I thought the music was pretty cool, although a bit
> > lacking in the "meat and potatoes" department. The drill is
> typical
> > Cadet
> > drill, and while there are some spacing concerns and some very poor
> > posture, this show seems destined for Top 3 status. After I see
> the
> > Midwestern corps in one week, I'll have a better idea. I really
> > enjoyed
> > this offering by the Cadets, it seems they have rebounded strongly
> > from
> > last year.
> >
> > Other concerns:
> >
> > The Disney Gestapo. I hate these people. I hate anything
> > connected with the anal-retentive people at Disney. Luckliy, this
> > show
> > wasn't in the Magic Kingdom, otherwise we all would have had to
> wear
> > wristbands to go the bathroom, different wristbands to visit the
> > concessions, special caps to visit the souvie stands, etc.
> >
> > There was a problem with our tickets, and some young skinny,
> > pimple-ridden usher-type gave us the standard "I AM THE LAW"
> > treatment at
> > the gate. Luckily, there was a very nice lady from Rochester, NY
> (my
> > home
> > town! Woo hoo!) that fixed our situation, and gave us comp.
> tickets.
> > Way
> > to go, Stacy from NY.
> >
> > I DID NOT LIKE the YEA format which blatantly excludes the three
> > smaller corps. I am sorry, I understand that there is a movement
> to
> > expand YEA and all, but that is just not fair to the other 3 corps
> > who
> > also worked hard to be excluded from the finale. Totally
> > unacceptable.
> > Being that George is such a lightning rod for criticism and
> > controversy,
> > you would think he would keep a low profile. I counted no less
> that
> > 17
> > times he was on the field or close to the sidelines or by the 50
> yard
> > line. Dude....chill. Take a backseat to some of the great stuff
> > going on
> > out there. You are not the show.
> >
> > As for the Bb horns. This may be Cadets' best hornline since
> > 1985, but I don't think it has to do with the Bb instruments. For
> > the
> > first time since 1988, I can hear the Cadet contrabasses. Baris
> and
> > Euphs
> > tend to die out into the sound under a mezzo-forte, while the alto
> > voices
> > are very prominent. Soprano voices (see rant below) are obscured
> by
> > the
> > altos, but that may just be the players themselves. I think Larry
> > Shane
> > said it best: THey need to modify the soprano horn, open it up a
> bit.
> >
> >
> > Okay...have we just given up on even trying to distinguish between
> > a band and a corps? I mean, I KNOW that even the G bugles were
> > technically not bugles, and that they were technically trumpets.
> BUt
> > one
> > of the cool things about the activity is the differentiation
> between
> > us
> > and marching bands. Can we please still call them sopranos? They
> > are the
> > soprano voice in the corps, right? So don't call them trumpets!
> > Please!
> > Corps still break down into soprano/alto/tenor/bass, so let's not
> > call
> > them tubas either! Yes, intellectually I know they are tubas.
> > Humour us,
> > please. This is a harmless corps tradition. There is no need to
> > destroy
> > it, even if certain people want to remake the world over in their
> > image.
> >
> > If I ever get a corps gig, to me they will always be sopranos,
> > altos, baritones (or tenorhorns), and contrabasses.
> >
> > It was a good show, rain threatened but never followed through,
> > which was great. Nice to meet Forrest, who is the guy who makes
> the
> > little drum corps miniatures. He's finally got some Phantom ones,
> > but I'm
> > still trying to convince him to create drum major "pulling the
> baton
> > out"
> > figurines. I didn't get to meet any RAMDers, except for Lowe, but
> it
> > was
> > a fun time. Can't wait for Sunday, as I will be at the Dixon show.
> >
> > Feel free to flame...it won't bother me.
> >
> > ++
> > np
> >
> > rsfc.nikknakks.net
> > read.the.damn.faq.newbies
> >
> > "This is the way the world ends
> > This is the way the world ends
> > This is the way the world ends
> > Not with a bang but a whimper"
> >
> > -T.S. Eliot
Richard V. Lamb
referred to (retrieved by Whitney. Posted for non-profit, educational
purposes only). For your consideration.
Vince
> > > -- forwarded message --
> > > From: gsne...@aol.com (GSNewell)
> > > Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
> > > Date: 04 Jun 2000 20:27:00 GMT
> > >
> > > Subject: Hey, Silverdots and others interested in art
> > >
> > >
> > > Thought of you today while reading the Chicago Tribune.
> > >
> > > Just started reading the article, but thought you might be
> > > interested.
> > >
> > > It's a feature story centerpiece on the changing art world. Such
> as
> > > "does a
> > > photographer need to know art history" and "does a video artist
> > need
> > > to know
> > > how to draw."
> > >
> > > It's in Sunday's Tribune.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > > -- end of forwarded message --
> > >
> > And here's the article.
> >
> > COURSE CORRECTION
> > DOES A VIDEO ARTIST NEED TO LEARN DRAWING? A PHOTOGRAPHER ART
> > HISTORY?
> > WITH A VARIETY OF DISCIPLINES TO COVER, ART SCHOOLS NO LONGER STICK
> > TO
> > THE BASICS
> >
> > June 4, 2000
> >
> > Every weekday morning at artist Bruno Surdo's School of
> > Representational Art, students work at easels before a nude model
> > posed in the classical mode.
> >
> > A few of the students at Surdo's school, located on the cluttered
> 7th
> > floor of a vintage brick building in River North, have degrees from
> > conventional art schools. At Surdo's, the students begin by making
> > charcoal drawings to develop their visual perception, drawing and
> > painting from plaster casts and then working in oil paint, moving
> > from monochromatic palettes to full color.
> >
> > It's a tradition that dates to the Parisian ateliers of the 19th
> > Century, and, to some, it's as old-fashioned as the quill pen and
> > the horse-and-buggy.
> >
> > But Surdo, who studied at a similar school, Atelier Lack in
> > Minnesota, found such art training "so thorough, so concrete" that
> he
> > wanted keep the flame going in Chicago.
> >
> > "We're not trying to change the art world," he said. "We're just
> > trying to fit in. Many people, especially your common person,
> > appreciate realism."
> >
> > Drawing and the representation of the human figure are not at the
> > center of art training anymore, and the change cannot be attributed
> > entirely to the usual whipping boy, computer technology.
> >
> > It's history. The classroom model of instruction supplanted the old
> > apprenticeship system in art schools, noted Howard Singerman, an
> > assistant professor of art history at the University of Virginia
> and
> > author of "Art Subjects: Making Artists in the American
> > University" (University of California Press, 1999).
> >
> > Art schools have added courses in humanities and social sciences,
> as
> > well as in new mediums of art. Programs fit the individual needs of
> > the students, whether they are studying drawing, photography or
> > video.
> >
> > "It's the job of professional schools and university departments,
> > whatever their field, to keep up with the most recent
> developments,"
> > Singerman said. "So art schools and studio art departments in
> > universities have had to come to terms with conceptual art or
> > abstract
> > expressionism, even if individual faculty members are cranky about
> > it. It's their job."
> >
> > At the California Institute of the Arts, students are required to
> > take
> > a number of courses designed to sharpen their visual awareness and
> > give them the skills they need to make their desired art. But those
> > courses may or may not include drawing.
> >
> > "In the old academies, when there was little doubt that large-scale
> > figurative paintings were the highest form of art, a rigorous
> program
> > of drawing was the sure way to get to that," said Thomas Lawson,
> dean
> > of the school of art at Cal Arts.
> >
> > "This has certainly been lost to us for a very long time now. Art
> > today takes many forms from drawing to video to multi-part
> > installation to performance."
> >
> > An artist working on the Internet, Lawson noted, "would need
> > programming skills more urgently than drawing skills."
> >
> > Realist art has never disappeared entirely, but it has hardly been
> > fashionable in important contemporary art circles. Indeed, some art
> > schools and university art departments may even discourage it.
> >
> > At the School of the Art Institute, dean Carol Becker said, "If a
> > student is a terrific representational painter and they're looking
> > with all the sophistication you need to bring to those forms now,
> we
> > would be interested.
> >
> > "Let's say they're really reproducing classical images of women,
> nude
> > women being gazed upon who don't seem to have agency, there would
> be
> > questions about what they're doing. What representation of gender
> are
> > you portraying? They could pursue it but they would definitely be
> > interrogated about their motive."
> >
> > Rodney Carswell, an abstract painter and professor of art at the
> > University of Illinois-Chicago, said, "If there's a student who is
> > very centered on the figure, by all means they would have room to
> do
> > that.
> >
> > "But the faculty would typically challenge them in terms of what's
> > already been stated in realism and [warn] that technical
> > accomplishment is not enough.
> >
> > "The observational tradition is not as strong as it used to be, and
> I
> > think we segue into art about ideas more quickly."
> >
> > But studio art majors at UIC still are required to take drawing
> > courses to graduate.
> >
> > At the School of the Art Institute, it's a different story.
> Students
> > there may or may not take classical drawing. Although they must
> > fulfill requirements in two-dimensional design, those courses could
> > be
> > printmaking, photography or painting.
> >
> > "The drawing requirement is always being put back and taken away,"
> > Becker said. "Now students come in with portfolios in photography,
> > portfolios in video and film. Do they need traditional drawing to
> be
> > a
> > filmmaker? There are faculty who vehemently argue that they do and
> > other faculty who will argue that they don't."
> >
> > And the debate is not confined to teachers and administrators.
> >
> > William J. Andersen, a painter who completed a master's degree in
> > fine
> > arts at the School of the Art Institute last month, said that "the
> > avant-garde art crowd has lost belief in the value of skill,
> > especially in classical type drawing, while the general public
> > hasn't.
> >
> > "I personally feel drawing should be a large part of an artist's
> > vocabulary. Even if you rebel against that knowledge or don't use
> it
> > in the specific way you learned it, you can use it for other means
> > like composition, how to create spatial illusion. It has taught me
> > how
> > you see and how everybody sees.
> >
> > "If everyone is just making art and we don't have any connection
> with
> > each other about how we see or how we experience things, then I
> think
> > art is really elusive."
> >
> > America's colleges and art schools educate hundreds of artists each
> > year (187 institutions offer master of fine arts degrees), but
> there
> > is no consensus about the curriculum required to train professional
> > artists.
> >
> > "There was once consensus, but not any longer," said Singerman.
> >
> > But Singerman maintains that's not a bad thing. "I think that's
> > completely appropriate. I don't think it's clear anymore what
> skills
> > an artist needs to have or what skills can make an artist."
> >
> > Singerman noted that with myriad art forms now available, art
> schools
> > and university art departments that want to be competitive must be
> > able to teach digital media, film, video, installation and
> > performance.
> >
> > "It would be irresponsible for an art school or department to try
> and
> > shield their students from the present," he said. "And so you can
> > have
> > schools where students go from drawing in the studio in front of a
> > posed nude and three hours later they're running a video camera."
> >
> > Ruth Weisberg, dean of the school of fine arts at the University of
> > Southern California, described her job as "a balancing act,"
> > incorporating cutting-edge technology while retaining tradition.
> >
> > "It's so important for our students for their rather brilliant
> > careers: Web site design, animation, special effects."
> >
> > But she cautioned against the common misunderstanding that the
> > commercial art world and the fine arts world are separate. "The
> > boundaries are more permeable," she said.
> >
> > "Many artists that have gallery careers are also very interested in
> > high technology," she said. "Figurative skills can contribute, for
> > instance, to your viability in animation, or they can contribute to
> a
> > fine arts career, where you're exhibiting in galleries and
> museums."
> >
> > Weisberg considers schools such as Surdo's in Chicago and the more
> > prominent New York Academy of Art, which has the only graduate art
> > program in the nation based on the study of the human figure, as a
> > movement in reaction to technology.
> >
> > "You have more high tech for very sound reasons," she said. "But
> you
> > also have, among both artists and the public at large, a
> > corresponding
> > desire to have things that are more human, things that can be
> > touched,
> > rather than [viewed] on a screen."
> >
> > In any case, technology and burgeoning hybrid art forms put
> > tremendous
> > pressure on arts administrators.
> >
> > "We're adding all this new technology, but we're not really getting
> > rid of the other things we do," said Joe Deal, a noted photographer
> > and provost of the Rhode Island School of Design. "These new tools
> > fill up our curricula rapidly, and students are learning, for
> > example,
> > how to make photographs the old way as well as learning how to make
> > digital photographs."
> >
> > While painting students still employ oil paint on stretched canvas,
> > Deal noted that the computer opens up other dimensions. "With the
> > available software programs, a student can scan drawings and
> > manipulate them on the computer, so that the computer becomes a
> kind
> > of drawing tool, an aid for students using otherwise very
> > conventional
> > materials."
> >
> > It's now possible to teach drawing using a computer instead of
> > traditional pencil and paper. Even that is controversial.
> >
> > "One of our crosstown rivals allows their students to learn to draw
> > on
> > the computer or by hand," USC's Weisberg said. "I think that's
> > ridiculous. Everybody benefits from learning to draw directly and
> > you're much better on the computer later if you learn to draw by
> > hand."
> >
> > Michael Aurbach, professor of art at Vanderbilt University and vice
> > president for committees of the College Art Association, said,
> "Doing
> > art on the computer is sort of like learning French kissing on
> > telephone. Something gets lost in the translation. It's not the
> > same."
> >
> > Art history isn't quite what it used to be, either. It has been
> > subject to the same scrutiny as the literary canon for emphasizing
> > white male artists to the exclusion of women and non-Western
> artists.
> > Consequently, most art history survey books now include people of
> > color, women and non-Western perspectives.
> >
> > "A lot of art history has drifted away from [studying] the object,"
> > noted Aurbach. "It is being used as a springboard to talk politics,
> > social issues."
> >
> > Aurbach believes the education process has been watered down by
> > abandoning the canon. "The canon with all of its problems still has
> > been a very effective teaching system," he said. "When I have
> > students
> > now that come in and don't know the difference between a medieval
> > work
> > and a baroque work, it scares me because I need that vocabulary of
> > style sometimes to discuss things."
> >
> > But art history has not completely fallen by the wayside, even if
> its
> > content shifts. At Chicago's Columbia College, which maintains a
> > traditional curriculum, students simply must take a separate course
> > in
> > non-Western art in addition to two standard art history courses.
> >
> > "It's typical of our time in history that artists don't work in
> just
> > one medium or with one material, but draw on different techniques
> and
> > materials," said Mame Jackson, chairman of art and art history at
> > Wayne State University.
> >
> > "A lot of the art in our time is not art for art's sake, but it's
> art
> > that is sometimes engaged with social and political issues. So that
> > courses in other areas like philosophy, history, political science
> > and
> > special areas like women's studies, Africana studies are very much
> a
> > part of the art curriculum at a university."
> >
> > It's no different at the School of the Art Institute, where
> students
> > are required to take a large number of liberal arts courses,
> > including
> > history, philosophy, science, mathematics and literature.
> >
> > "We want them to be educated citizens so that they can function in
> > society, not stand apart from it," Becker said. "I want to see our
> > students challenging our society, intellectually and in every way.
> > They need verbal skills to go out into the art world. If you train
> > artists just to be makers and not thinkers, then they're going to
> > have
> > a hard time."
> >
> > In her essay, "Re-imagining Art Schools," Becker made a salient
> > point:
> > "Students cross disciplines, moving in and out of forms. Often the
> > medium is not as significant to them as the ideas they are
> > struggling to actualize through that medium. Even the notion of
> > making a specific piece of art oneself has evolved. Appropriation,
> > collaboration and technological advances have transformed the
> > romantic
> > hands-on/lone-artist model of art production."
> >
> > Little wonder then that classical drawing has been de-emphasized
> > despite the strong argument about how well it trains the eye.
> >
> > "It has nothing now necessarily to do with making art," Singerman
> > said.
Richard V. Lamb
> > Subject: ... I _am_ Catherine... With a Request (LONG - ooooh!)
> > Lines: 245
> > From: Catherine <horndiva...@prodigy.net.invalid>
> > Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
> > Message-ID: <06efc0d3...@usw-ex0101-007.remarq.com>
> > Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 18:03:30 -0700
> >
> > And I just want to say how fun!! that I finally get back on RAMD
> > and find SO much interest in me.
> >
> > Unfortunately, some of that interest is the obsession Mr. Norris
> > has about me having a good time in the Kilties (and all the
> > other places all these years - none of MY friends know the guy,
> > so other than these postings I have NO clue as to whom and what
> > he is, nor am I interested). Now that things have been publicly
> > posted and said I have said, I must be as clear as I can be. I
> > apologize in advance for the length of this, but (I am
> > philosophically trained, 'nuff said!)... Let's finish it here
> > and move on...
> >
> > Mr. Norris initially responded to my posting on another
> > newsgroup in a quite enthusiastic manner, until he found his way
> > to my website and found that I think for myself and don't drool
> > over _____-types like him (IMHO). He is VERY upset/disagrees
> > with my views on gay people and my religion, which he has chosen
> > to slam here. While I may disagree with Mr. Norris' attempts at
> > logic, he is quite welcome to worship (or not) anything he
> > wants... I would hope he would accord me the same privilege and
> > not assume he knows anything about my beliefs, let alone put
> > himself forth as a public expert on what I believe and the
> > inferences HE draws therefrom.
> >
> > I am quite aware that many people find me annoying. As Wayne
> > Downey once said in 1978 BD rehearsal, such is because I am an
> > individual, not merely the soft, pristine and demure girleee I
> > am "supposed" to be. I guess I'll just have to keep on
> > upsetting people who can't stand that I exist and have a right
> > to post to RAMD like any other person. Mr. Norris seems to
> > think he has a right to even suggest that I not post - "I's
> > jus' an uppitty female". Has he not heard of "killfile"?? Oh,
> > that's right, then he wouldn't be preventing OTHER interested
> > people from reading my posts and judging for themselves...
> >
> > Or, as we horn players say "Suck my Di$$" - oh, sorry, Mr.
> > Norris. Did mommy hurt da liddle boy's feelwings?? Saying a
> > corps SUCKED!!!! OH MY GODS!!!! Bring out the disembowling,
> > branding, tarring equipment, I don't think drum corps will
> > survive!!! SIGNS in BUS WINDOWS!!!! Oh, now we really need to
> > explode an atomic weapon and start World War III over that one!!!
> >
> > Norris, you........... KINGSMEN!!!!! Now, if you think
> > that's a nice thing, how can you be angry?? If you KNOW that
> > the Kingsmen - and Rocco - are such admirable, perfect
> > organizations and personages that have never done anything wrong
> > in their lives, what is your problem with rowdies like we former
> > VKs who HATE THE FU**ING A$$ Ki$$ers (in a VERY nice way)???
> >
> > OOOPPPS - I just burped and farted (thanks Noni!), this thread
> > just has been SO upsetting to me, I've been obsessing about
> > Norris and all my critics ALL weekend, having had nothing better
> > to do than to fight a hacking cold for two weeks, work two jobs,
> > march multiple parades and shows, turn my ankle and march in
> > pain in Rockford and Racine trying to march 5-to-5's backwards
> > while playing a lovely french horn riff...
> >
> > Yeah, Norris, you're way up there, right along with the mosquito
> > I squashed between my knees as I took a pee (must be a delicate
> > girl, now) at the Rockford show... You've never had the fame
> > and accolades of the 3rd or 4th string of drum corps talent like
> > you've had through attacking me (gee, I wonder why my friends
> > aren't applauding your achievements too, you're SUCH a PRO)!!!
> > Pretty sad, your biggest drum corps claim to fame...
> >
> > I'll take the rainbow wig - and the Black Saddle solo - any
> > day... Or maybe it was the mellophone in the stands in 1971...
> > or being the first female in the VK line (oh no, I musn't talk
> > about myself, people will say I'm a bad girlee - how DARE I
> > speak the TRUTH about myself that I've been saying for 30
> > friggin' years!!! How DARE I treat everyone on RAMD exactly the
> > same way I treat all my friends, to share all I know about corps
> > and the fun I've had, and have a big party. I MUST BE
> > STOPPED!!!!)
> >
> > I have also found all this Over and Out nonsense VERY
> > interesting. On the one hand, this dildo attacked one of my
> > Kiltie people, which was NOT NICE. But Mr. Over and Out, it's
> > so funny - I thought YOU were Norris at that point!!
> >
> > You see, RAMD world, Mr. Norris has been SO upset for a year now
> > about my philosophical college training... You see, Mr. Norris
> > and his sidekick, Mr. Pink - who appear to be the only two
> > losers willing to sign their names to public attacks on me - and
> > of course, are both people I have NEVER met and who have NEVER
> > heard me play...
> >
> > Well, anyway, Mr. Norris seems to not like me because I have way
> > too much FUN. He attempts to publicly cast doubt upon the
> > things I have said and done, without ANY direct knowledge....
> > But all the while, he elevates himself because 1) he gets paid
> > money for playing (prostitutes do too - seriously, it's not a
> > logical proof of superiority in and of itself, especially when
> > one considers that great musicians are often poor), and 2) HE
> > was a KINGSMEN. Hey, I don't care if you are a BD, Madison
> > Scout, Wayne Downey, God (or a goddess)... dickly is dickly
> > (sorry if you don't understand my friends' and my technical
> > terminology), no matter what uniform it wears. As Oscar Wilde
> > wrote, it is not what a person DOES, but what one IS...
> >
> > So anyway, Norris attempted to logically reason with me, and
> > that's why I suspected he might be this anonymous who is so
> > damned annoying - oh Mr. Norris, you DO remember your anonymous
> > posting attacking me on the World of Pageantry, do you not??
> > I'll have to dig that out so I can fax it to anyone who cares to
> > see it, including your e-mail to me ADMITTING the same. So much
> > for you being the ethical person that never does anything mean...
> >
> > People who wish to know me will and are doing so. We know who
> > we are. Is anyone who knows the law willing to tell me if I
> > have a case against Norris and/or Pink for accusing me publicly
> > of FER SURE being this Over and Out personage?? (and thanks for
> > the compliment on my horn playing - despite YOUR public
> > dickliness, that's definitely the hottest, sexiest thing you
> > could EVER say to me!! So glad SOMEONE remembers who I was, that
> > poor little 13-year old trying so hard (she said hard!!) to
> > prove to people in Southern California that women were NOT
> > limited by their anatomy and could play with GONADS!!!)
> >
> > And maybe, just maybe, that's why this character sounds like me
> > Norris - because he's describing an OBJECTIVE reality (unlike
> > your religion, which by philosophical, logical definition is
> > based ONLY on belief - but that's NOT enough FOR YOU, you ---
> > Kingsmen!!!).
> >
> > Kingsmen whom I have adored (non-sexually) - Earl Douglas, Ron
> > Housley (sorry, Ron!), Jon VandeVenter, Lance Kellogg, Ralphie
> > in his dashiki's, the Porters, McDuffy's McHead up one's McArse
> > photo, Vince Lamb, Jim "Silverstein" Stevenson, the Powers boys
> > (Noni would kill me if I didn't name George and Robert), Kenny
> > Turner (thanks for the judges' convention favors, I'll never
> > forget), Eva, the Wayner, Gregg, amongst many, many others...
> > AND MOST OF ALL, ART WEST YOU PERVERT~~~!!!
> >
> > Norris, you have amply proven that you are a different person
> > than I am, and you do not see, let alone understand, what I
> > express because of that. Be happy with that. You do your thing
> > and I'll do mine. There is enough room on the planet for us
> > all. Our energies are better spent building who we are as
> > opposed to wasting time on each other. Go and sin no more...
> > Realize that many of the people who talk about me are simply
> > guys who were afraid to come onto me due to small gonads of one
> > variety or another... At least SOME boys are honest about their
> > feelings - and they usually wind up getting laid!!
> >
> > I attack the Kingsmen and Rocco's exploits and your subject
> > matter and reasoning/logical skills. You attack my sanity, my
> > religion, my ability to reason, my achievements, my quest for
> > public acknowledgement... Readers can judge such things...
> >
> > And with all that said, the most disturbing thing in the threads
> > I have read that mention me are aspersions that Kilties are
> > going outside of the corps and being manipulated by people whose
> > agendae they do not know, and using my TERRIBLE CRIMES of
> > rampant personality, individuality and loud, annoying femaleness
> > - and perhaps unique insights on drum corps and other subjects,
> > decent and soon to be better and better french horn G valve-
> > rotor bugle playing, the ability to express certain ideas which
> > certain people find threatening, certain facts that certain
> > people find threatening, and basically to spill my guts about
> > all the stuff I've got built up... You KNOW who you are...
> >
> > Therefore, I am PLEADING with ANYONE who believes they are privy
> > to certain information to FORWARD such messages, signed or
> > unsigned, to the APPROPRIATE CORPS' OFFICIAL WEBSITE. All of us
> > know drum corps. What all of us may NOT know, because some of
> > you were lucky enough to grow up without it, is that many people
> > use this stuff to rip apart drum corps. SOME people think such
> > underhanded evil is cool, and a way to break down the
> > competition, because they are too afraid to meet openly on the
> > field and rest EVERYTHING on their performances...
> >
> > If something isn't signed and publicly and freely shared, it
> > DOESN'T EXIST. I think that everyone who has read my pages and
> > who knows me knows that I am FOR getting it ALL out IN THE
> > OPEN. My corps brethren have assured me that Kilties do not
> > spread lies and give other corps weapons to destroy their fellow
> > Kilties. Mr. Norris asserts that he has the "real deal" on me.
> > Well, Mr. Norris and others, please forward all the "evidence"
> > you say you have on me to the Kilties, including these so-called
> > internal - yet public - attacks. I am told such things do not,
> > cannot exist. And if they do, there are some very interested
> > Kilties in such things and the persons spreading them.
> >
> > Anyone purporting to represent the views of the VK, please post
> > those e-mails for me and for and my friends - as well as all
> > these other VKs that are supposedly spreading the "real deal" on
> > me - let them sign their names and we shall see who is telling
> > the truth and what that truth is. VKGarry was man enough to
> > call a truce with me long ago, and I hope there are SOME other
> > adults out there too. NOW is the time to be forgiven... NOW is
> > the time to BUILD (REBUILD!) drum corps, and not tear people
> > down who love corps and who perform simply because we don't like
> > them.
> >
> > Messrs. Norris and Pink - I hope I see you playing soon in the
> > Kingsmen or Zoot Suit Revue...
> >
> > As for Kingsmen... If you are not one of the people mentioned
> > above and don't know Rocco at all, I may not have ever met you
> > (sorry if I'm forgetting someone I care for - bad with names -
> > yes, I AM imperfect) and I would be interested in knowing where
> > you get your information from.
> >
> > This cesspool of crap that started about me and my wigs and my
> > clothes years ago - it used to be all in fun and play - you
> > know, when drum corps could be fun instead of such a measure of
> > "creative integrity" baaaaaaaaahhhh. How it became so bitter
> > and vicious against individuals and the health of the drum corps
> > activity, in SO many aspects... Ah, well, human frailties. The
> > meaning of corps used to be support for each other, not how can
> > we tear down the other guy...
> >
> > Subject matter and free speech are, of course, free game in
> > educated circles; attacking the individual for other than their
> > choices proves a poverty of arguments. I have proposed a course
> > of action herein primarily so that life can go FORWARD for
> > everyone involved in these controversies, as titillating as they
> > can be.
> >
> > As for my "hateful" comments... Such are shallow
> > interpretations. I am at this very moment pursuing positive
> > courses regarding a time and place and drum corps which many of
> > you know I find particularly problematic. So much for the words
> > of those who do not know...
> >
> > I call upon everyone in the drum corps world to DEMONSTRATE
> > EXCELLENCE. Put that energy out on the field and in your
> > lives. Get all you can out of life, and give to your fellows.
> > Blow the crowds away. Be all that you are, and more...
> >
> > This is the 21st Century of Drum Corps - it is up to each one of
> > us to create the reality...
> >
> > WEA WINNEA BEA DAUNTED!!!!!!!
> >
> > -- Catherine
Richard V. Lamb
> > From: shar...@aol.com (Sharcast2)
> > Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
> > Subject: Re: ... I _am_ Catherine... With a Request (LONG -
> ooooh!)
> > Date: 07 Jul 2000 03:26:18 GMT
> > References: <B58AC436.1702F%now...@man.comxxxnotmyrealaddy>
> > Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
> > Message-ID: <20000706232618...@ng-fp1.aol.com>
> >
> > >My broker is Catherine and he says.....
> > >
> > >> Mr. Rudnicki, you and I have already gone around a bit privately
> > >> and not-so-privately.
> > >
> > >can I videotape next time?
> > >
> > >--
> > >Jason C Frith
> > >Wad Squad '92-96
> > >Crown '95
> >
> >
> >
> > Damn, Jason!
> >
> > You are funny! Just wish you would reply to my posts so that I
> would
> > know
> > where you are coming from in all seriousness!
> >
> > Sharon
Richard V. Lamb
Response to flame.
> > From: vkga...@aol.combyte-me (VKGARRY73)
> > Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
> > Subject: Re: ... I _am_ Catherine... With a Request (LONG -
> ooooh!)
> > Lines: 68
> > Date: 07 Jul 2000 05:26:15 GMT
> > References: <06efc0d3...@usw-ex0101-007.remarq.com>
> > Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
> > Message-ID: <20000707012615...@ng-fb1.aol.com>
> >
> > Catherine wrote:
> >
> > >VKGarry was man enough to
> > >call a truce with me long ago
> >
> > Whether you consider it "man enough" or not is of no signifigance
> to
> > me. My
> > security in myself is not in question here.
> >
> > Let me preface this by assuring you that it's not a personal
> attack,
> > just some
> > observations that may smooth things out a bit.
> >
> > The problem I see is not with a woman who speaks her mind. It's
> with
> > one who
> > throws all of her self-promotion and other non-sensical ideas right
> > in
> > everyone's face, then dares them to disagree. This is followed by
> > more
> > philosophical mumbo-jumbo and long-winded posts that sometimes seem
> > to make no
> > sense whatsoever. (And before you call my educational credentials
> > into
> > question, no I don't have a degree. I do have more years in college
> > than I'd
> > like to admit, in several areas of study, including the sciences
> and
> > the arts.
> > In other words, I use both sides of my brain.)
> >
> > >And I just want to say how fun!! that I finally get back on RAMD
> > >and find SO much interest in me.
> > >
> >
> > This seems to be a lot of the problem in a nutshell. It seems
> > everything has to
> > be centered on Catherine. What Catherine has done, what Catherine
> > thinks, how
> > Catherine sees things in general, but no acknowledgement that you
> > MIGHT not be
> > right about how you see things.
> >
> > Anyone with the knowledge that you profess to have must know that
> > keping an
> > open mind is the key to further learning. When you think you know
> it
> > all,
> > you've stopped learning.
> >
> > To quote a saying I heard from an eminent horse trainer once, "It's
> > what you
> > learn after you know it all that makes the difference."
> >
> > None of us, no one in this newsgroup, has all the answers, and
> never
> > will.
> > That's the purpose of the newsgroup in the first place. We're here
> to
> > meet,
> > discuss, argue, and hopefully learn from what we read.
> >
> > If you have any confidence in yourself, Catherine, then nothing
> Phil
> > or Mr.
> > Pink or myself says should matter a rat's ass to you. For some
> > reason, you seem
> > to need the attention. Would you consider yourself co-dependent?
> >
> > You can't control what others say or do. The only control you have
> is
> > to be the
> > best person you can. Be the best french horn player, the best
> > marcher, have the
> > best attitude. Just don't wave a red flag everytime you do, to make
> > sure
> > everyone else notices. Knowing you did all that should be reward
> > enough.
> > Knowing that you did everything you could to make the Kilties
> better
> > every time
> > you perform, rehearsal or show, is the reward.
> >
> > Watch those direction changes! They're murder on the ankles! (I
> found
> > that out
> > filling horn holes at early season drill rehearsals!)
> >
> >
> > VKG
> >
> > PS Did you find it interesting that "Over N Out" used the
> reference
> > "West
> > Coast Jeff Kievet"? Sounds a lot like "SoCal Bonnie Ott"! Just
> > thought it was
> > funny.
> >
> >
> > I've got a PBS mind in an MTV world
> >
> > ><((((º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><((((º>¸.
> > ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><((((º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><((((º>
> >
> > Remove "byte-me" from address to respond by e-mail
Richard V. Lamb
> > Subject: Re: ... I _am_ Catherine... With a Request (LONG -
> ooooh!)
> > Lines: 124
> > From: Catherine <horndiva...@prodigy.net.invalid>
> > Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
> > Message-ID: <123c0f60...@usw-ex0104-032.remarq.com>
> > References: <1e04a5ec...@usw-ex0104-028.remarq.com>
> > <20000707090423...@ng-cn1.aol.com>
> > Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 10:29:55 -0700
> >
> > Sure, Garry - I can be civil. Now let's see if you can...
> >
> > As another poster to this thread pointed out, "there goes the
> > truce". Why are some things so obvious to some people, and as
> > clear as mud to others??
> >
> > Substantive?? I'll give you something substantive... So here I
> > am, just trying to march and play and perform and tell MY story
> > of what MY southern California drum corps - which includes
> > friendships with Wayne Downey, Jim Ott, Bobby Hoffmann -
> > strange, those people don't have too much trouble understanding
> > me - why doesn't anyone complain when I name-drop "Noni"?? It
> > is YOUR perception of these people that makes YOU interpret what
> > I do as "name-dropping". YOU and others are the ones that have
> > such values, NOT me - I'm just having fun as one of the many,
> > and people who don't rank people don't understand those of you
> > who have to be "better" than others.
> >
> > I'm just talking about my friends. I'm just talking about
> > people that SOME people know something about so that they have a
> > point of reference to the things I am talking about - it's
> > called INclusion. YOU are the one interpreting that I "name-
> > drop" to EXclude people and raise myself up. For example - I
> > could care less about the scores and placings. The important
> > things are: did the crowd and us PERFORM?
> >
> > And I'm just wondering why MORE people don't ask THEM about me
> > before they ream into things they have NO direct knowledge of.
> > Wayne tells me that he simply tells people we are good friends,
> > and he - unlike some other people - really spends no time and
> > wants to spend no time on such things. He gave up trying to
> > speak sensibly to the great unwashed a long time ago, because -
> > well, I posted his statement about OFPs a long time back.
> >
> > But I have this silly idea that there may be other young people
> > out there like I was. THEY will contact me privately, as they
> > do, and there is much good I - as a 30-year veteran can shre
> > with them (this used to mean something to some people in drum
> > corps, and still does to many).
> >
> > Garry, I note 100 postings under your name just to this page (I
> > didn't check out all the other boards). When I search on my
> > name, I come up with 79. Does this mean that you have to see
> > your name posted even more than I do?? Of course, you couldn't
> > possibly have any other reason to post that to stroke your own
> > ego, could you??
> >
> > I guess I am just exactly what you believe me to be. You
> > couldn't stand the fact of who I was in the early 70s, and you
> > (and some others) can't seem to stand that I OCCASIONALLY post
> > my HONEST opinion to RAMD and other places (count the e-mails;
> > don't buy someone's interpretation, an interpretation based on
> > the emotions aroused just by being reminded of my existence.
> >
> > If I was really the psycho whore I have been publicly accused of
> > being, wouldn't a responsible, mature person just feel sorry for
> > me and ignore everything that I do?? Of course!
> >
> > Therefore, it must be all the things I know about SO Cal corps,
> > the BD (especially 1978 and ever since), the way Rocco operates,
> > etc. All well and good, and none of it needed to ever be
> > brought up again.
> >
> > And then, people started making trouble for me in the Kilties.
> >
> > WRONG MOVE!!!
> >
> > I am NOT a sick abused teenager anymore, and I am not alone. I
> > will not cave under people's attacks anymore. SOME people are
> > seeing rather clearly what these tactics are, and can't
> > understand why people who marched together in the old days and
> > who loved drum corps are going out of their way to attack
> > someone who is supposed to be so full of themselves and crazy,
> > to boot.
> >
> > Could it be that the values she is fighting for are very
> > threatening to some people??
> >
> > So, to some more substance...
> >
> > Some of the people in the Kilties know quite a number of things
> > about California corps now - and from their OWN experiences of
> > Rocco and BD people - and we are going to get to the bottom of
> > this rot as a REAL drum corps should.
> >
> > And as I told Wayne last night, it is all going to go VERY
> > public, for the entertainment and enjoyment of ALL the drum
> > corps community. We will see who is left standing at the end of
> > the day.
> >
> > I am proud of myself, my marching, my history, my values and
> > what I have done and NOT done (I am not this Over and Out
> > character, as posting times have proven - and which has been
> > mentioned). We used to celebrate everyone's achievements. I'm
> > sorry you can't find it in your heart to do the same...
> >
> > Go ahead and killfile me. There are many, many more people who
> > won't be doing so. Anyone who has read my webpages knows that
> > there is a lot of drum corps truths that need to come out, and
> > people will need to state publicly and BACK UP what they have
> > said and done, and not said and done.
> >
> > We shall see who is left standing at the end of the day...
> >
> > What a great tour this is turning out to be...
> >
> > No wonder some people don't want to see my name or hear my
> > words...
> >
> > Sincerely and without animosity,
> > because I -do- have a show to do
> > this weekend and with a great
> > bunch of guys -
> >
> > REAL DRUM CORPS LIVES FOREVER -
> >
> > -- Catherine
Richard V. Lamb
Quotable remark, response to flame, humor.
> > From: Nikk Pilato <pila...@cmr.fsu.edu>
> > Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
> > Subject: Re: ... I _am_ Catherine... With a Request (LONG -
> ooooh!)
> > Date: 7 Jul 2000 17:51:42 GMT
> > Organization: Knights who no longer say "Ni!"
> > Message-ID: <8k55be$11k$2...@news.fsu.edu>
> > References: <1e04a5ec...@usw-ex0104-028.remarq.com>
> > <20000707090423...@ng-cn1.aol.com>
> > <123c0f60...@usw-ex0104-032.remarq.com>
> >
> > Catherine, you must bring me......A SHRUBBERY!!!:
> >
> > <snip much verbage>
> >
> > I think Stuart Rice hath found a soulmate. :-)
> >
> >
> > ++
> > np
> >
> > rsfc.nikknakks.net
> > read.the.damn.faq.newbies
> >
> > "This is the way the world ends
> > This is the way the world ends
> > This is the way the world ends
> > Not with a bang but a whimper"
> >
> > -T.S. Eliot
Vince Lamb
Richard V. Lamb
> > From: rdora...@aol.com (RDoran8728)
> > Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
> > Subject: Napster Survey of Corps
> > Date: 07 Jul 2000 01:08:47 GMT
> > Message-ID: <20000706210847...@ng-cd1.aol.com>
> >
> > With all the hubub about who likes whom and who listens to whom and
> > what
> > kind of dc music people enjoy, I thought I would do a bit of
> research
> > on
> > Napster..
> > just to see who is recording, uploading, downloading what. I got
> > onto four
> > different
> > Napster servers over a three day period. This is what I found
> >
> > Corps Number of Songs on Napster
> >
> > 1. Blue Devils 162
> > 2. Madison 128
> > 3. Cadets 91
> > 4. Marine Corps 78
> > 5. SCV 52
> > 6. Phantom 39
> > 7. Cavies 32
> > 8. A whole bunch for Future Corps......did not calculate. Just an
> > interesting
> > bit of stuff as I attempt to download more good music.
> > -- end of forwarded message --
Vince Lamb
Richard V. Lamb
> > -- forwarded message --
> > From: rl...@netscape.net
> > Subject: Re: Howdy In Concert Challenge.Atlanta Ramders
> > Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
> > References: <20000622041450...@ng-bg1.aol.com>
> > <20000622080444...@ng-fw1.aol.com>
> > <8iu1l3$pgc$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>
> <8iuo53$ccf$1...@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>
> > Lines: 17
> > Message-ID: <FPS45.4688$bc4.3...@news1.primary.net>
> > Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:57:25 GMT
> >
> > The Rev. Dr. Howdy Doodie <fluge...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > > Richard :
> > > You are not funny.
> >
> > That's rather subjective. You should have said
> > "I think you are not funny."
> >
> > > I grow tired of your disrespect.
> >
> > What have you done to earn any respect?
> >
> > --
> > James A. Chappell http://www.amon-hen.com/jac
> >
> > "Bill Gates is a white Persian cat and a monocle away from being
> > a villain in a James Bond movie."
> > -- Dennis Miller
Richard V. Lamb
=====
And so is this!
Flame, response to flame, worst online adversaries, FBI.
> > -- forwarded message --
> > From: pano...@aol.com (PaNors77)
> > Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
> > Subject: Re: ... I _am_ Catherine... With a Request (LONG -
> ooooh!)
> > Lines: 199
> > Date: 10 Jul 2000 03:38:57 GMT
> > References: <Nxk95.799$jE1....@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>
> > Message-ID: <20000709233857...@ng-cd1.aol.com>
> >
> > Ooops. Pushed the send button too quick. Here goes then. I'll try
> > to answer
> > some of the "Burrmonsters" drivel below if I can.PN
> >
> > >Subject: Re: ... I _am_ Catherine... With a Request (LONG -
> ooooh!)
> > >From: "Shaun P. Hickson" sphi...@mediaone.net
> > >Date: 7/7/00 8:02 AM EST
> > >Message-id: <Nxk95.799$jE1....@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>
> > >
> > >
> > >Catherine <horndiva...@prodigy.net.invalid> wrote in message
> > >news:06efc0d3...@usw-ex0101-007.remarq.com...
> > >> And I just want to say how fun!! that I finally get back on RAMD
> > >> and find SO much interest in me.
> > >>
> > >> Unfortunately, some of that interest is the obsession Mr. Norris
> > >> has about me having a good time in the Kilties (and all the
> > >> other places all these years - none of MY friends know the guy,
> > >> so other than these postings I have NO clue as to whom and what
> > >> he is, nor am I interested). Now that things have been publicly
> > >> posted and said I have said, I must be as clear as I can be. I
> > >> apologize in advance for the length of this, but (I am
> > >> philosophically trained, 'nuff said!)...
> > >
> > >Philosophy has taught you how to write long, meandering diatribes
> in
> > the
> > >style of tripe? Please don't blame your inability to be concise on
> > your
> > >education.
> > >
> > >> Let's finish it here
> > >> and move on...
> > Exactly, I agree wholeheartedly(Moving on I mean). And I'm NOT
> > obsessed. I
> > think it is Burr who is obsessed really. I have no problem with a
> > "philosophy
> > degree" either, only her attempted use of it as a weapon against
> all
> > who would
> > disagree with her. You have friends??? They must be very obedient
> > then
> > Burr.PN.
> >
> > >> Mr. Norris initially responded to my posting on another
> > >> newsgroup in a quite enthusiastic manner, until he found his way
> > >> to my website and found that I think for myself and don't drool
> > >> over _____-types like him (IMHO). He is VERY upset/disagrees
> > >> with my views on gay people and my religion, which he has chosen
> > >> to slam here. While I may disagree with Mr. Norris' attempts at
> > >> logic, he is quite welcome to worship (or not) anything he
> > >> wants... I would hope he would accord me the same privilege and
> > >> not assume he knows anything about my beliefs, let alone put
> > >> himself forth as a public expert on what I believe and the
> > >> inferences HE draws therefrom.
> >
> > It is YOU Catherine who threaten people with your alleged
> > "forces",etc. I
> > NEVER put myself out as an "expert" on anything really. Remember
> it
> > is always
> > YOU who waive the degree around as an "expert". I call folks yes,
> to
> > actually
> > LOOK at your website to SEE what a disturbed person you are in my
> > opinion.
> > Many folks have come to the same conclusion. YOU'RE own words have
> > convicted
> > you, I need not slamm you really. It is YOU who have started this
> > big ass
> > thread. As far as the "religion" thing goes, It is always YOU who
> > draw folks
> > into it. From your emails to your guestbook even on your site, it
> is
> > YOU who
> > are obsessed with everybody's religion, and yes I DO think you use
> > that to
> > prostilitize.(a word she didn't even know till I used it in an
> > email,lol)
> > "Inferences"? I've read enough off of your asatru links to get an
> > idea of what
> > you're doing. I think you DO try to get LOKI or maybe other
> > "beings" to do
> > your bidding right? With the hatred for others that you have it
> has
> > to be par
> > for the course.PN(I'm still unafraid of you here too, Burr. Do
> your
> > worst
> > then. Nothings' happened yet. Must be the Holy Spirit blocking
> your
> > way,eh?)PN
> >
> > >> I am quite aware that many people find me annoying. As Wayne
> > >> Downey once said in 1978 BD rehearsal, such is because I am an
> > >> individual, not merely the soft, pristine and demure girleee I
> > >> am "supposed" to be.
> > >
> > >Oh good - the gratuitous "Wayne likes me" quote - I was beginning
> to
> > think
> > >there wouldn't be one in this post.
> >
> > WEll, lol, one would think one would get SOME clue if many people
> > find you
> > annoying,eh?? PN
> >
> > >> I guess I'll just have to keep on
> > >> upsetting people who can't stand that I exist and have a right
> > >> to post to RAMD like any other person.
> > >
> > >You have a right to post, and other people have a right to slam
> > those
> > >postings, since they suck.
> > >
> > >> Mr. Norris seems to
> > >> think he has a right to even suggest that I not post - "I's
> > >> jus' an uppitty female".
> > >
> > >Is that a quote from Mr. Norris, or is that your persecution
> complex
> > talking
> > >again?
> >
> > Actually, I was quoting Burr from HER own post. SHE said she was
> > leaving. I
> > guess she's a liar too. "uppity female"??? hahaha. Nawww. I
> just
> > think you
> > need/want us all under your control, and because of THAT I believe
> > you are
> > evil,Burr.PN.
> >
> > >> Has he not heard of "killfile"?? Oh,
> > >> that's right, then he wouldn't be preventing OTHER interested
> > >> people from reading my posts and judging for themselves...
> > >
> > >Don't worry, I think you'll be entering a lot of killfiles after
> > this post.
> >
> > Nope. You're right. Don't know how to "killfile". Don't think I
> > need to. I
> > did however "block" you're hatefull ass from my email. THAT I'm
> > proud of.
> > >
> > >> Or, as we horn players say "Suck my Di$$" - oh, sorry, Mr.
> > >> Norris. Did mommy hurt da liddle boy's feelwings?? Saying a
> > >> corps SUCKED!!!! OH MY GODS!!!! Bring out the disembowling,
> > >> branding, tarring equipment, I don't think drum corps will
> > >> survive!!! SIGNS in BUS WINDOWS!!!! Oh, now we really need to
> > >> explode an atomic weapon and start World War III over that
> one!!!
> > >
> > >Whatever drugs you're on - please increase the dosage immediately.
> >
> > There WERE bad signs in the VK bus windows Burr, YOU KNOW IT!! YOU
> > actually
> > DEFENDED it in previous posts. DAMN you're inconsistant as hell.
> > Song, "Only
> > a Woman" comes to mind.(Not a slamm against women folks, just
> > her,lol) Don't
> > worry I'm not hurt Burr. Just showed the folks what a hatefull
> > person you are
> > against anybody who would DARE march with the Kingsmen. And again,
> > my post
> > said "Hey, you don't see ME going around saying this corps
> > sucks,etc." For
> > someone who's supposed to be in "support" of ALL corps, ie,
> "everyone
> > in corps
> > needs to be celebrated" to coin a phrase from YOU, you sure do hate
> > THIS
> > particular one to the enth degree. OH and your "suck my DI$$"
> > comment? Wow, sounds like you really are jealous you don't have
> > one eh Burr?
> > Coupling that with the "WE were the BALLS of the VK F. HOrn line".
> I
> > don't
> > know for sure, but I would guess Eva Upton was glad to get away
> from
> > you.lol.
> > PN.
> > ><snip California corps pissing contest>
> > >
> > >> OOOPPPS - I just burped and farted (thanks Noni!), this thread
> > >> just has been SO upsetting to me, I've been obsessing about
> > >> Norris and all my critics ALL weekend, having had nothing better
> > >> to do than to fight a hacking cold for two weeks, work two jobs,
> > >> march multiple parades and shows, turn my ankle and march in
> > >> pain in Rockford and Racine trying to march 5-to-5's backwards
> > >> while playing a lovely french horn riff...
> > >
> > >Wow - your life is so uniquely hard - how do you make it through?
> > You are an
> > >inspiration to those of us who do drum corps full time for 6
> figure
> > >salaries - thanks for keepin' it real.
> >
> > Bwahahahahaha. Burr, just leave ok? Do as you said you would on
> your
> > previous
> > post,eh?PN
> > >>
> > >> Yeah, Norris, you're way up there, right along with the mosquito
> > >> I squashed between my knees as I took a pee (must be a delicate
> > >> girl, now) at the Rockford show... You've never had the fame
> > >> and accolades of the 3rd or 4th string of drum corps talent like
> > >> you've had through attacking me (gee, I wonder why my friends
> > >> aren't applauding your achievements too, you're SUCH a PRO)!!!
> > >> Pretty sad, your biggest drum corps claim to fame...
> > >
> > >And what's your biggest drum corps claim to fame? Gratuitous Wayne
> > Downey
> > >name dropping?
> >
> > Again, I'm not so much into "slamming you" as just showing folks
> > from your OWN
> > words how you are,etc. YOU started the fire,Burr. Again,
> friends??
> > Where?
> > Your only "friend" I've seen on here won't even sign their
> posts,etc.
> > So much
> > for their pride of being associated with YOU Burr.lol. Also, I
> > don't seek
> > applause except at a gig on the stage. I humbly play solos, and I
> am
> > gratefull
> > for any applause. As far as drum corps applause, I sure did love
> it
> > when we
> > Kingsmen would get standing O's even before we came out, when the
> > first blue
> > uniforms of our nationals were seen by the audience. I WILL
> treasure
> > that.PN.
> >
> > >
> > ><snip stupid self-pity bs>
> > >
> > >> You see, RAMD world, Mr. Norris has been SO upset for a year now
> > >> about my philosophical college training...
> > >
> > >Is that what he's upset about? I thought it was your aimless,
> > self-pitying,
> > >attention starved, name dropping, self-aggrandizing posts. Since
> > you flaunt
> > >your academic training so frequently, I'll bite - where did you
> get
> > your
> > >undergrad and grad. degrees from.
> >
> > She claims Berekely, so Ok, I'll believe her,lol. So what?? I
> > agree with you
> > Shaun. I have NEVER though been "upset" as she puts it about any
> > philosophical training she's had,etc., just her again, using it as
> a
> > club over
> > us all, making her alledgedly "superior" to all of us,etc.PN.
> > ><snip>
> > >
> > >> Well, anyway, Mr. Norris seems to not like me because I have way
> > >> too much FUN.
> > >
> > >I thought he hated you because of your "philosophical training"?
> >
> > LOL. I "dislike" Burr because of her attitudes and general
> disregard
> > for
> > others' feelings,etc. It is because of THAT that I believe she is
> > evil almost
> > incarnate, and I resist evil at every turn, as the good book says I
> > should.:)
> > PN.
> > >
> > ><snip tripe>
> > >
> > >Shaun
> > >
> > >> -- Catherine
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Phil Norris
Richard V. Lamb
out!)
> Subject: 20 Random notes from Renegade 2000 Tour
> From: drum...@aol.com (DRUMLAW80)
> Date: 2000/07/11
> Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
> 20 Random notes from Renegade 2000 Tour
>
> Hello everyone. This is a random collection of statistics, comments,
> humor and
> observations from the Renegade 2000 Tour.
>
>
> 1. NORTHWEST VENTURE - I salute this corps because 1) they were
> disqualified
> from every show they attended; and 2) they can play their ass off.
> Which puts them exactly where the Renegades were last year. :-)
>
> In any event, the Northwest Venture has some very talented people in
> their
> ranks, and we are really forward to great things from them next
> season. I
> would add that getting disqualified from every show the first season
> in
> competition is nothing to be ashamed of -- in fact, the Renegades
> consider it
> pretty much a requirement.
>
> Hopefully, the NWV leadership is planning to attend the DCI meeting
> in Las
> Vegas, as all we have a lot to do to move forward with the senior
> circuit on
> the West Coast. Nice to meet all of you, and we're looking forward to
> seeing
> our "arch-enemies" next season. (inside joke p.s. -- choose your
> Las Vegas
> rental car company very carefully).
>
>
> 2. "DRUM CORPS" MOMENT OF THE TOUR #1 - Impulse horn line and
> Renegades
> stopping to cheer and yell "Whaaaatttt's uuuuuuup!!!!" at one
> another.
> If there are two corps that are fans of one another in DCI, it is
> probably
> Impulse and Renegades. Not only did many Renegade members purchase
> Impulse
> souvies this weekend, one enterprising Renegade baritone player
> actually took
> the field in DCI competition wearing an Impulse hat. Shhhh.
>
>
> 3. BEST WARM UP LOCATION = Medford, Oregon, [Renegade drum line
> marches off
> deep into the rain forest for warm-up.]
>
>
> 4. PERSON MOST LIKELY TO JUDGE = Alan Cristenson (has judged every
> Renegade
> show this season).
>
>
> 5. MINUTES IT TOOK AFTER ARRIVAL FOR SECURITY TO BE CALLED ON THE
> RENEGADE
> COLORGUARD AT HOTEL IN OREGON = 18. We should have seen it coming
> last
> November, when we told them that colorguard rehearsal wasn't starting
> until
> January -- but they showed up and demanded to start anyway. Not only
> have they
> "become a colorguard" quickly, but they are officially out of
> control. Which
> makes them perfect for the Renegades... :-)
>
>
> 6. MOST EXPENSIVE LOOKING DRUMS IN DCI = Seattle Cascades. Whoever
> thought of
> the idea is a genius, as the drums look fantastic from the stands.
>
>
> 7. Seven.
>
>
> 8. WINNER OF WORST HAM SANDWICH AWARD - Me. I narrowly edged out
> Christina
> Mavroudis. But I had an unfair advantage, as mine was from 7-11, so
> I am not
> sure if it counts as actual food.
>
>
> 9. "DRUM CORPS" MOMENT OF THE TOUR #2 - Entire Blue Devil B horn
> line
> watching Renegade final warm up for the Seattle show, and cheering
> loudly after
> the last notes of the closer. (Our family...)
>
>
> 10. CORPS WITH ALUMNI IN THE RENEGADES - Blue Devils, Santa Clara
> Vanguard,
> Garfield Cadets, Cavaliers, VK, Madison Scouts, Crossmen,
> Freelancers,
> Mandarins, Valley Fever, San Jose Raiders, Santa Clara Vanguard
> Cadets, Blue
> Devil B, Connecticut Hurricanes, Bushwackers, Yankee Rebels, Reading
> Buccaneers, Commodores, Syracuse Brigadeers ...
>
>
> 11. FIVE PEOPLE WHO HELPED MAKE THE RENEGADE TOUR 2000 POSSIBLE -
> Tom Hope,
> Dan Acheson, Dave Gibbs, J.W. Koester, Jeff DeMello
>
>
> 12. AMOUNT OF "DRUM CORPS IS EVIL" T-SHIRTS LEFT IN INVENTORY AFTER
> OREGON SHOW
> = Zero. Sold out. Gone. Zip. Nada. Done.
>
> (more are being made, and will be on sale on Friday).
>
>
> 13. TWO THINGS THAT COULD PREVENT RENEGADES FROM ATTENDING DCA IN
> 2001 - A)
> DCA's minimum 4 show requirement; B) Disqualification because of
> electronics.
> If not DCA, we'll do something else very big.
>
>
> 14. NUMBER OF EXTREMELY LOUD RENEGADE CORPS MEMBERS IN DRUM MAJOR'S
> HOTEL ROOM
> AT 3:45 A.M. AFTER SEATTLE SHOW = 29
>
>
> 15. AMOUNT OF NEW APPLICATIONS SO FAR FOR 2001 RENEGADES = 28.
> 15b. AGE OUTS = Zero.
>
>
> 16. MAYBE NEXT YEARS DRUM SOLO = Stone Ground 7.
>
>
> 17. COOLEST VIDEO WATCHED ON THE BUS = History of Santa Clara
> Vanguard.
>
>
> 18. WORST VIDEO WATCHED ON THE BUS = Demolition man (I considered
> faking my
> own death to avoid watching).
>
>
> 19. PEOPLE MOST LIKELY TO BE SEEN PUSHING A SHOPPING CART FULL OF
> BEVERAGES
> ACROSS A HIGHWAY AT 12:20 A.M. - Darkman and the Director.
>
>
> 20. LAST CHANCE TO SEE 2000 RENEGADES = Mandarin's Fantasy Show in
> Lodi
> (Friday), and Show in Santa Clara (Saturday).
Richard V. Lamb
flame
> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: (fwd) Re: Cadet's 3rd in Percussion?????
>
>
> Nikk Pilato <pila...@cmr.fsu.edu> wrote in message
> news:8mlcoi$d0d$1...@news.fsu.edu...
> > AKCDISPATCH, a nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat:
> > > Nikk ,I'm not ignorant, your just too stupid to understand. The
> judging
> in 80
> > > whenever was totally differently from the way it is now.
> Secondly, you
> were
> > > still in diapers then so stop your psycho-babble bullshit!!!!!!
> >
> > Here's some more psycho-babble bullshit for you:
> >
> > You have issues. Deep, emotional issues. It is quite obvious
> > that your mother never loved you, and that you daddy used to beat
> you with
> > steak knives. Your "pet dog" was probably no more than a
> Raggedy-Ann doll
> > dressed up in fur. Admit it: Your mom bought yellow sheets because
> you
> > wet your bed, and it would hide the stains better. She didn't do
> this out
> > of love for you, but out of love for your brother, whom you shared
> the bed
> > with. He was always your mom's favorite.
> >
> > School was probably not too good, either, what with all the kids
> > calling you a dumbass, and then planting "Kick Me" signs on you.
> So you
> > joined the band...the teacher gave you a recorder, but even this
> > rudimentary instrument was beyond your means. In frustration, you
> banged
> > yourself on the head in a hypnotic and disturbing rhythm. The
> teacher got
> > an idea....she thrust a pair of drumsticks in your hands.
> >
> > From that moment on, you banged on everything you could, and
> > called yourself a drummer. While your peers were learning music
> and
> > becoming "percussionists," you kept banging away and called
> yourself,
> > proudly, a drummer.
> >
> > Somewhere along the way, someone kicked your ass pretty badly...it
> > had the effect of turning you into a coward, someone who has lots
> to say,
> > but only when no one is listening, or rather, when no one knows who
> you
> > are. Hiding behind circus tents, you would curse the lions and
> bless the
> > bearded lady...she reminded you so much of your mother.
> >
> > One day, when you finally got the nerve to ask out the girl you
> > had been stalking for a month, you peed in your pants when she said
> > "Ewww...no way freak." In the summer, you would get a job
> shoveling dung
> > at the local stables. When no one was looking, you would make
> "dung
> > angels." People could smell you from 50 yards away.
> >
> > Then one day you found a newsgroup with the word "drum" in it, and
> > you thought you had died and gone to pig heaven. However, in your
> first 3
> > posts to the group you showed more ignorance than a Klan member,
> and
> > almost as much built-up rage. The expression "dumber than a box of
> frogs"
> > was engraved underneath your yearbook picture.
> >
> > But then again, I was just in diapers (oh! I see the reference
> > now! You were jealous because my parents loved me enough to buy me
> > diapers, whereas you had a sheet of rolled-up newspaper to catch
> your,
> > er...um, well, never mind).
> >
> > I think it is quite clear that the bottom line is: You're too
> > stupid to live, and you argue like a 12 year old. Keep keeping on,
> > fella...you'll get it right one of these days.
> >
> > ++
> > np
> >
> > www.nikknakks.net
> >
> >
> > "This is the way the world ends
> > This is the way the world ends
> > This is the way the world ends
> > Not with a bang but a whimper"
> >
> > -T.S. Eliot
Good night and Happy Nominating!
Terri Dittrich
-Terri
"Richard V. Lamb" <vince...@MailAndNews.com> wrote in message
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Catherine
news:67nr6.6988$6p5.6...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> Actually, it worked on both levels.
>
> -Terri
Must be nice being recognized for your greatest skill - cruelty.
As I told you once, Terri, I was raised by a master manipulator. It will be
helpful to me to see someone just like her now that I'm an adult and can
understand it.
The really sad thing is, is I know what happened to her. Hoping that you
view my attempts to expose you so that you will have to be accountable so
that your son doesn't have to reach my age and have a mother like what mine
has become - and who told me years ago that if someone could PROVE her
wrong, it wouldn't matter.
-- Catherine
Catherine
> Flame. Challenge.
>
> > >
> > > If something isn't signed and publicly and freely shared, it
> > > DOESN'T EXIST. I think that everyone who has read my pages and
> > > who knows me knows that I am FOR getting it ALL out IN THE
> > > OPEN. My corps brethren have assured me that Kilties do not
> > > spread lies and give other corps weapons to destroy their fellow
> > > Kilties. Mr. Norris asserts that he has the "real deal" on me.
> > > Well, Mr. Norris and others, please forward all the "evidence"
> > > you say you have on me to the Kilties, including these so-called
> > > internal - yet public - attacks. I am told such things do not,
> > > cannot exist. And if they do, there are some very interested
> > > Kilties in such things and the persons spreading them.
Ah, gee - you all see now how I am all too quick to trust, to hope, to
forgive and try to find in new people better things. Unfortunately, a key
few wannabes...
At least SOME Kilties say they are sorry, that even THEY didn't realize how
f***ed up some people are...
-- Catherine
Catherine
person pretending to be my friend, who was using corps fellowship to screw
me over, and who has proven herself a master manipulator.
Anyone knows that from a contradiction, anything (bad) follows...
Garry and I have chosen the reality WE choose to create. Any knee-jerk
responses to cruelty and betrayal I have, any mistakes I have made, have at
least been sincerely done - as with Garry.
Well, doing such things may well be a public service to our young friends,
as not only does it demonstrate clearly what goes on in many corps - and how
the one corps with people proven to have incited much of it remains silent
still - it shows how even people of good will can be fooled.
Garry and I have strong shoulders though. And we also stand up clearly as
individuals, and don't use drum corps or our "elder statesmenship" (such as
it is) as something to hide behind...
After all, I have quite the number of e-mails from certain people myself.
-- Catherine
Robert Brown
You know, Catherine. Never mind... a response to you is a waste of
keyboard activity.
You have now become the latest member of the filter list.
Rob