2008 - The Year Drum Corps Returned to DCI
Sis
Jackie
nite...@yahoo.com
> Awesome year!
>
> Jackie
I agree
A great year for drum corp
The returm of Madison
BAC finishing with Conquest
Blue Stars ...great show
just watching SCV
Bluecoats and the Boxer brass interlude
Crowns rise to the elite
Cavies being the Cavies...Alumni was awesome too !!
nothing absurd about BD...great corp...great show
and Phantom....perhaps their best show ever
Joe Dz
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Sis
> Troopers?
The awesome.
Jackie
Catherine
forty years of this fraud, it shall always be thus.
The only reason the term "drum and bugle corps" is used by bland
marketers at all is because blando whatever-it-is also cannot and wil
never stand on its own.
The fact that the term "drum corps" is thought so very generic as to
be somewhat descriptive of whatever-it-is DCI does in any given tour
month is a self-evident denotation that not even DCI marketers can
come up with anything definitive.
Nevertheless, blando activity is definable; simply not by terminology
that any reasonable, decent person might honestly use to describe a
musical and/or youth activity of which being a part would be an
admirable goal.
-- Catherine
Jazzycat1
It was a good year overall - I'm thrilled about the Scouts - bummed
about the Crossmen - Bluestars are back in a BIG way. Cadets might do
a drum corps show someday. Go Phantom!!
paristalks
> Awesome year!
>
> Jackie
Yup, this is the first year in a *long* time that I've felt genuine
joy and excitement not only over the shows, but also how things turned
out competitively.
Kinda neat . . . especially as it was 30 years ago that I first began
marching corps in Oakland.
Sue
paristalks
>
> It was a good year overall - I'm thrilled about the Scouts - bummed
> about the Crossmen - Bluestars are back in a BIG way. Cadets might do
> a drum corps show someday. Go Phantom!!
Yup, I was thrilled to see Madison back in . . . especially as I've
known a young guy who marched baritone since he was born (and his
parents long before that). So I was a real homegirl for them . . . yet
was still sad that Crossmen didn't make it in, because I've long loved
that corps, too. And I also enjoyed Colts' show this year (among
several others who didn't make into the Top 12).
In my opinion, this is the best year in drum corps in a long, long
time. I think I enjoyed it as much as 1980 and 1987, my other two
favorite years.
Sue
Sis
Oh, hi Sue! I didn't recognize who this was the first time you posted.
Great year! I hope this is an indication of the way drum corps is
heading and we can forget about the way George Hopkins wants it to go
and take it over the top!
Nice to see you!
Jackie
paristalks
Thanks, Jackie! It's great so see you and other familiar names on
RAMD. I've been over at DCP for the most part, but thought I'd say
hello here too!
And yes, if this year's results are a harbinger of things to come,
then I'll gladly rejoin the fold. :-)
Sue
Sis
> On Aug 11, 2:31 pm, Sis <siste...@comcastRichMadeMeDoIt.net> wrote:
>> paristalks wrote:
>>> On Aug 10, 12:15 am, Sis <siste...@comcastRichMadeMeDoIt.net> wrote:
>>>> Awesome year!
>>>> Jackie
>>> Yup, this is the first year in a *long* time that I've felt genuine
>>> joy and excitement not only over the shows, but also how things turned
>>> out competitively.
>>> Kinda neat . . . especially as it was 30 years ago that I first began
>>> marching corps in Oakland.
>>> Sue
>> Oh, hi Sue! I didn't recognize who this was the first time you posted.
>>
>> Great year! I hope this is an indication of the way drum corps is
>> heading and we can forget about the way George Hopkins wants it to go
>> and take it over the top!
>>
>> Nice to see you!
>>
>> Jackie
>
> Thanks, Jackie! It's great so see you and other familiar names on
> RAMD. I've been over at DCP for the most part, but thought I'd say
> hello here too!
Oh! While you're over there, ask them if anyone remembers the rules for
how many people can run the sound board for each corps. I seem to
remember that it's one person, but, Cadets had two. Penalty?
Jackie
paristalks
OK, I'll ask.
Sue
paristalks
>
> how many people can run the sound board for each corps. I seem to
> remember that it's one person, but, Cadets had two. Penalty?
>
like they were all there to steady the drum major's platform (which
was moving quite a bit), and that one was working the board.
Sue
Sis
Sue,
Here's a picture of them that I took in Allentown. They're no where
near the podium. Take a look and feel free to share!
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3202/2740245852_edfbebf881.jpg
Jackie
paristalks
>
> Here's a picture of them that I took in Allentown. They're no where
> near the podium. Take a look and feel free to share!
> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3202/2740245852_edfbebf881.jpg
>
by the way! :-)
Sue
Sis
Thanks Sue! I am definitely Spartacus this year!
Jackie
three...@yahoo.com
I was there and I was glad to see Madison back in the top 12. They are
my favorite corps. Cavies was also good to. Phantom was awsome. I
didnt care for Cadets show. They are a good corps and dont need to do
that narration stuff. I really enjoyed myself. Marty
ns787980
Sue....
It's Sharon... What made YOU glad? Specifically?
Sharon
Charlie Groh
wrote:
...Sharon, at the risk of a negative response, she states, "...not
only over the shows, but also how things turned out competitively."
That doesn't say it? She even expressed "...joy and excitement..."!
Admittedly, I haven't been gaga over DCI corps in general for a long
time...there are exceptions of course...but I fully agree with Sue;
this year was special. I saw quarterfinals in a smallish theater here
in Orange County that had maybe 200 seats. There were 150 people
there and it was a REAL cool vibe...lots of cheering and
clapping...and Phantom absolutely brought down the house. I dunno,
but that reaction told a story, no pun intended...
cg
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Catherine
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Charlie --
It's interesting to see how you twist and turn to somehow say, "yeah,
blando marching band sucks really badly but it sucks less this year
than in other years". Of course, you quantify nothing - other than
"150 people". 150 people compared to what? Particularly in Orange
County! Heck, if many of two or three high school's marching band
members had shown up - or, more likely, the wannabes and newbies who
don't know much about DCI and its history/frauds from 10-20 different
schools - there's your "crowd".
And that, for the allegedly penultimate showing of "Marching Music's
Major League's" TOP show.
Pathetic. Even more pathetic is your not telling the truth. But
then, that appears to be your second nature by now.
I feel sorry for you, too.
-- Catherine
Charlie Groh
<cather...@yahoo.com> wrote:
<snipped for excessive redundancy>
Hey Catherine! I was wondering when you'd get around to li'l ol' me!
How's life goin'? Everything good? Gettin' in that quota of calling
anyone and EVERYONE liars? Nice to see your efforts gaining you
credibility, as usual.
Also as usual, your analysis of my comment is pathetic (your
word...not one I use very often except for boomarang effect) and
excruciatingly not accurate. First, I didn't even come close to
saying "...yeah blando marching band sucks really badly, but it sucks
less this year than in other years." Your poor wording. Your poor
reading skills or just plain untruth regarding my statement. Your
pitiful (and that word *is* a derivative of pity...of which I
sometimes feel for you), plaintive wailing about a DCI you obviously
know only what you *want* to know about.
Just for the record, that "crowd" was composed of many different eras
of corps, 60's,70's and 80's and 90's were represented...a good
sprinkling of 2K folks, too. Moms and dads watching their kids
perform (one of which I sat with...she had a kid in Blue Stars and
they kicked butt and she was happy...holy cow, what a concept! Happy
at a DCI show! Oh, and she marched VK for a few years to boot...more
than you and very much more consistent, too.) Quite a few people I've
taught and taught with over the years...shoot, I doubt you'd be able
to relate, of course...so just bash it and name-call like you do so
well, because that's *all* you do.
You survive on innuendo and "...more likelys" You create fiction
from fact with no regard for fairness. How the heck can you accuse
others of not being fair? Well, I think the answer to that query is
obvious...
"You see what you want to see, you hear what you want to hear."
Nillson
Have a Nice Day!
cg
Sis
> "You see what you want to see, you hear what you want to hear."
> Nillson
>
>
> Have a Nice Day!
Jon BonJovi
;-)
Jackie
Charlie Groh
...really? That quote is straight out of "The Point." The Rockman...
cg
Charlie Groh
<sist...@comcastRichMadeMeDoIt.net> wrote:
...OK, check THIS out, Sis...betcha find 'em all, heh...
Sis
Charlie Groh
<sist...@comcastRichMadeMeDoIt.net> wrote:
>Charlie Groh wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 01:18:44 -0400, Sis
>> <sist...@comcastRichMadeMeDoIt.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Charlie Groh wrote:
>>>
>>>> "You see what you want to see, you hear what you want to hear."
>>>> Nillson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Have a Nice Day!
>>> Jon BonJovi
>>>
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>> Jackie
>>
>> ...really? That quote is straight out of "The Point." The Rockman...
>>
>No, no. "Have a nice day". THAT'S Jon BonJovi!
>
...Aha! Hahaha, thanks...so, does he have a copyright?
cg
dbriggs
>
> ...OK, check THIS out, Sis...betcha find 'em all, heh...
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-ol_v5X4QE&feature=related
Wow, thanks for that link, charlie; had always heard of the animated
version, but never saw it.
while in the service in korea (early 70s), we spent hours listening to
that album, following the comic book that came with it, under the
influence of one thing or another. we would pick the details apart,
convinced that the story was a metaphor for the trials and journey of a
drug addict. I could go on pointing (heh) out all the references, but
that would be one loo-o-o-ng post. thanx again
cya
Sis
You know, you're both a couple of damn hippies! ;-)
Jackie
Stu
Ogden, so I can only comment on what's left of the activity out here.
I have to admit I was almost *somewhat* encouraged by a couple of
things I saw this year (Troopers on track, some faint sign of
traditional drum corps values back in vogue, and according to YouTube,
strong Cavies, growing recognition that Hopkins needs a leash, and
acceptance that there is something very wrong in DCI according to the
conspicuous political commentary between the lines of PR and BD
shows), but not encouraged enough to want to buy a ticket next year.
I cannot understand how you folks can digest this stuff.
Corps this year again seem to have little interest in exploring drill
- too much uninspired eye-candy, too many formulaic approaches, not
enough innovation, creativity limited to silly self-centered ideas and
half-nuked leftovers (and those are the contenders!). Consequently,
you get substitutions of the same old silly body-sculpting that looks
like people admiring their muscles and tatoos in the bathroom mirror.
10 years from now, this stuff is going to look as stupid as all the
prancing around from the 80s does today (does anyone out there have an
interest in making enduring contributions to drum corps anymore?).
Given the dull, predictable eye-candy and picture show drill, I can
understand why they are so desperate to explore dance. But when is
this activity going to discover choreographed marching? When will
they even demonstrate a token interest in standing up straight?
These corps can't play a full dynamic range - the effect of their best
effort, parked on the front sideline, is a mere mezzo-forte. As much
as I enjoy good music (even lifted from band and orchestra
repertoire), it can't engage me if I can't hear it. Go ahead - double
their size, but these corps can't and won't be able to play a solid
forte on these indoor instruments. Ever. It isn't a question of
intonation. Its a question of projection, and DCI gave up its outdoor
dynamic range when it gave up the projection it got from bugles.
Nothing left for them to do about it now but repent or die. Knowing
DCI doesn't have the collective humility to recognize its own mistakes
(I don't see them repeal any of these silly ideas that seem to sail
rapid-fire through every Rules Congress), I'm banking on the latter.
Wake me up when its over.
How does this activity serve communities? Families? Youth? Take a
look at this map, folks: http://www.dci.org/corps/map.cfm - See that
huge desert in the West? The majority of the United States is served
by two corps. How do these two corps serve communities, families, and
youth in this vast area? One of them can't answer that question
without a uniform and a movie, and the other is the Blue Knights - DCI
personified by an individual corps. That's why its dying.
Is there any question as to which direction the junior census will be
heading this fall? While Acheson pays lip service to promoting the
activity, I notice a recent DCI email boasting not only its corps'
elite status, but also their *exclusive* status. DCI doesn't want to
serve the activity. DCI wants little more than to be worshipped, and
the hundreds of corps (90% of the activity) it destroyed to fulfill
that ambition suggests the corps who established DCI had it in for the
activity from the start (sounds like conspiracy theory I know, but the
burden rests on them to prove they *accidentally* killed 90% of the
activity).
DCI corps have become selfish. Beneath the veneer of fraternity
operates the zero-sum game that has become their obsession.
Consequently, it will become increasingly evident that they will
undermine and marginalize each other until there is only one Blast-
esque winner left to hold the spotlight in their cold, dead fingers.
And you, the merchanidise/ticket buying fan, are making this
possible. DCI will pimp any dog and pony show you are willing to buy
to preserve their individual hopes for infantile attention and empty
self-congratulatory prestige, self-awarded for standing on the
shoulders of the giants who created this activity for America, in
search of a toilet with a better view.
DCI is taking from communities, their families, and their youth. It
is increasingly less educational and more fraternal, less function and
more fashion, less values-based and more novelty-based, less a service
and more a con. It has become the cancer of the marching arts.
I have loved and often served DCI and its corps over the past 30 years
as audience member, participant, instructor, and writer, but I cannot
recommend it to anyone. Especially my daughter. To see it is to be
lulled into inanity, misguided spectacle, and adolescent dysfunction.
I love you guys, but the fact that you think this sick disaster is
ticketworthy tells me you are as out-of-touch with reality as the
activity itself. And you are better informed and more objective!
Let's stop seeking consolation in the wreckage of this painfully slow
death of drum corps. Let's quarantine this mess and facilitate some
accountability here.
Stuart E. Rice
www.marchingresearch.com
Jazzycat1
How 'bout that Phantom Regiment!!!
Sis
> I love you guys, but the fact that you think this sick disaster is
> ticketworthy tells me you are as out-of-touch with reality as the
> activity itself. And you are better informed and more objective!
It's true that we have lower standards than we used to. Just the change
in trends from a couple of corps has us all emotional. It's just nice
to see a slap in the face and a change in direction!
Jackie
Stu
> It's true that we have lower standards than we used to.
Nice to hear someone else say that. DCI, I dare say, would never
recognize that. I think they see themselves getting better and better
in all their elite glory. THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE WHO KNOW BETTER.
> Just the change
> in trends from a couple of corps has us all emotional.
Its good to see corps successful and healthy who reflect the qualities
and values of the medium (even though they all CAVED, dumped their
BUGLES, and turned their backs on the activity in other ways ... ticks
me off ...). I'd celebrate more if we weren't so far down the road
from drum corps. But it would be like encouraging an alcoholic
because he's only drinking beer.
> It's just nice
> to see a slap in the face and a change in direction!
Ya know, Jazzycat1 wrote:
> How 'bout that Phantom Regiment!!!
Well, I liked it better with bugles. I don't think it compares with
96, and I hate field drama (*always* looks cheesy and out-of-place to
me). But speaking of face-slapping, I gotta ask, is it just me, or
does support for (and perhaps success of) this show reflect a
groundswell of general dissatisfaction with (borderline anger toward)
DCI?
Because, (1) that's a pretty strong (humiliating) rebuke, for those
who caught it, and (2) to have public outrage determine a title means
we've clearly entered the era of the popularity contest, which is sad
(though inevitable, given the number of knuckleheads in DCI who think
DCI corps are above competition).
I can understand the sentiment behind the support. I voted for Ross
Perot. Twice. But this isn't a competition anymore - its a fashion
show. And the respect DCI has been devotedly courting from music
education is eroding for want of self-discipline and self-
realization. Its credibility is going down the toilet. DCI will not
survive the isolationism driving its dreams of glory.
Seems like even the judges soiled themselves. I heard a championship
show from PR, but I didn't see one. Their visual seemed more like 5th
place from almost any other year. Very bush league, very high school.
I can live with the fact that there wasn't much anything original in
this show. Though originality should be a prerequisite for any
contender, alas, DCI doesn't know how to create with the drum corps
medium anymore, so I don't expect them to. I expect the same
overpriced, overtoured, overdressed, overhyped froth we've been
getting. Its a farting contest. Who cares who wins?
PR 08 looked bando to me. Drum corps got this kind of thing from
marching bands. Who is going to show us what a drum corps show looks
like? If we don't, who will? If not now, when?
Stuart E. Rice
www.marchingresearch.com
flu...@msn.com
YAWN
Stu
Stuart E. Rice
www.marchingresearch.com
ns787980
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:12:15 -0700 (PDT), ns787980 <sharca...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Aug 11, 12:48?pm, paristalks <rdesche...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >> On Aug 10, 12:15 am, Sis <siste...@comcastRichMadeMeDoIt.net> wrote:
>
> >> > Awesome year!
>
> >> > Jackie
>
> >> Yup, this is the first year in a *long* time that I've felt genuine
> >> joy and excitement not only over the shows, but also how things turned
> >> out competitively.
>
> >> Kinda neat . . . especially as it was 30 years ago that I first began
> >> marching corps in Oakland.
>
> >> Sue
>
> >Sue....
>
> >It's Sharon... What made YOU glad? �Specifically?
>
> >Sharon
>
> ...Sharon, at the risk of a negative response, she states, "...not
> only over the shows, but also how things turned out competitively." �
>
Mr Groh? I would be the first to admire Sue Deschenes. She has some
how found her way. She has stuck it out and has found a way to make
it "her" experience. I do admire that. And BTW? I don't deny
ANYONE... that kind of experience. In fact, I wish that for myself.
HENCE... is why I asked her what I did.
>
> Admittedly, I haven't been gaga over DCI corps in general for a long
> time...there are exceptions of course...but I fully agree with Sue;
> this year was special.
Then... WHAT was IT?? Because all I see.... is WHAT I see. The last
time I complained about drum and bugle corps.... everyone complained
that I hadn't seen drum corps in a long time and I should come back
and see.. that was around 2000. And I stuck it out for a long time.
And frankly... what I saw was NOT drum and bugle corps. I went to
practices.... I carried emails from home to sites that corps were
staying at... I brought cookies to kids that marched... I sponsored a
kid that stiffed me by not sticking it out - went home with an injury
and didn't have the balls to tell me he went home.. I've watched EVERY
show that was available to me.
And never mind ALL of THAT... I watched what I watched. And what I
saw was a colorguard that no longer places emphasis on their equipment
work...They don't even take pride in marching a freaking parade. And
I could talk AD NAUSEUM about that. A drum line that has been side
lined into oblivion. Why have a snare drum or bass drum anymore?
What do THEY do for drum and bugle corps? They are dismissed so much
they have to go get accolades in WGI! That is simply such a diss to
drummers everywhere. IMHO. And what about the bugle part. With
those wimpy trumpets... is there such a thing as a solo anymore?
Those kids playing trumpets strain so much... it's no wonder their
heads don't explode!!!
Sorry Mr Groh. I've tried... even more than one could be expected
to. And truly... I really went in with an open mind and a willingness
to accept something that I wasn't used to. But I looked at it up
close. It should no longer be called drum and bugle corps. And there
should no longer be a competitive circuit devoted to drum and bugle
corps. Because it no longer is a "Drum" and "Bugle" "Corps".
�I saw quarterfinals in a smallish theater here
> in Orange County that had maybe 200 seats. �There were 150 people
> there and it was a REAL cool vibe...lots of cheering and
> clapping...and Phantom absolutely brought down the house. �I dunno,
> but that reaction told a story, no pun intended...
I'm really good with that Mr Groh. You got people that seem to think
that the current form is good? That's for you to say... and me to
judge. HENCE.. why I asked Sue Deschene... WHAT... SPECIFICALLY...
made HER judge this year good?
So Phantom? What - SPECIFICALLY - brought the house down? And if I
wanted to be a bitch... WHO was the "house"?
Sharon
ns787980
> Charlie Groh wrote:
> > On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 01:18:44 -0400, Sis
> > <siste...@comcastRichMadeMeDoIt.net> wrote:
>
> >> Charlie Groh wrote:
>
> >>> "You see what you want to see, you hear what you want to hear." �
> >>> �Nillson
>
> >>> Have a Nice Day!
> >> Jon BonJovi
>
> >> ;-)
>
> >> Jackie
>
> > ...really? �That quote is straight out of "The Point." �The Rockman...
>
> No, no. �"Have a nice day". �THAT'S �Jon BonJovi!
Now THAT... was freaking FUNNY! :)
Sharon
Charlie Groh
wrote:
>On Aug 19, 10:59?pm, Charlie Groh <chasg...@dslextremerage.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:12:15 -0700 (PDT), ns787980 <sharca...@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Aug 11, 12:48?pm, paristalks <rdesche...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> >> On Aug 10, 12:15 am, Sis <siste...@comcastRichMadeMeDoIt.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> > Awesome year!
>>
>> >> > Jackie
>>
>> >> Yup, this is the first year in a *long* time that I've felt genuine
>> >> joy and excitement not only over the shows, but also how things turned
>> >> out competitively.
>>
>> >> Kinda neat . . . especially as it was 30 years ago that I first began
>> >> marching corps in Oakland.
>>
>> >> Sue
>>
>> >Sue....
>>
>> >It's Sharon... What made YOU glad? ?Specifically?
>>
>> >Sharon
>>
>> ...Sharon, at the risk of a negative response, she states, "...not
>> only over the shows, but also how things turned out competitively." ?
>>
>> That doesn't say it? ?She even expressed "...joy and excitement..."! ?
>?I saw quarterfinals in a smallish theater here
>> in Orange County that had maybe 200 seats. ?There were 150 people
>> there and it was a REAL cool vibe...lots of cheering and
>> clapping...and Phantom absolutely brought down the house. ?I dunno,
>> but that reaction told a story, no pun intended...
>
>I'm really good with that Mr Groh. You got people that seem to think
>that the current form is good? That's for you to say... and me to
>judge. HENCE.. why I asked Sue Deschene... WHAT... SPECIFICALLY...
>made HER judge this year good?
>
>So Phantom? What - SPECIFICALLY - brought the house down? And if I
>wanted to be a bitch... WHO was the "house"?
...the "house" were many contemporaries, collegues and, of course,
many I didn't know. I sat with a mom (an "old school" guard
instructor, who has, BTW, made the transition and puts out some of the
snappiest and timing/catch oriented guards here in SoCal) who had a
son who was marching Blue Stars (and started in Impulse...good kid,
good mom). Now, *she* had some bias, of course, but the rest of the
folks were just drum corps nuts Jones'n 'cause they couldn't be
there...
I appreciate your comments, Sharon, you state your opinions clearly
and your feelings are true to you, I'm sure. We don't see modern
corps the same way...maybe 'cause I'm just an olde marching geek and
LOVE visual whatevers. Even though I've put out a guard or three in
the past, I've never been a true CG person...what really gets me going
is ensemble movement coupled with great music. Thusly you have my
feelings for Phantom this year...I thought the show meshed quite
well...coming from a VKesque show background, I also got into that
aspect and thought they sold it in spades. Hey, it was emotional and
generated emotion from the crowd...at least *most* of the crowd.
So, I guess that's as specific as I can get!
Nice discussion!
cg
ns787980
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:14:38 -0700 (PDT), ns787980 <sharca...@aol.com>
You are serious? You are totally avoiding a misstep... Right?
You think that it's OKAY for YOU to be critical of me and my
thoughts... and you are doing what you do?
Mr Groh? What do YOU think is appropriate?
> many I didn't know. �I sat with a mom (an "old school" guard
> instructor, who has, BTW, made the transition
TRANSITION? WHAT DOES "THAT" MEAN????
and puts out some of the
> snappiest and timing/catch oriented guards here in SoCal)
Are you saying that the MOM "approves" what is colorguard? I'd like
to see what the "MOM" is.
who had a
> son who was marching Blue Stars (and started in Impulse...good kid,
> good mom). �Now, *she* had some bias, of course, but the rest of the
> folks were just drum corps nuts Jones'n 'cause they couldn't be
> there...
Listen.... if I'm to say that drum and bugle is...because YOU say
so... I'm not willing to go there. SERIOUSLY.
>
> I appreciate your comments, Sharon, you state your opinions clearly
> and your feelings are true to you, I'm sure.
Mr Groh... I'm sure that is true. In the "appreciation" bracket? I'm
good with what I wrote. ABOUT what IS... A drum and bugle corps.
�We don't see modern
> corps the same way...maybe 'cause I'm just an olde marching geek and
> LOVE visual whatevers.
YOU have no idea what I believe. "Modern"?
And BTW? Isn't it convenient for YOU?
�Even though I've put out a guard or three in
> the past, I've never been a true CG person...what really gets me going
> is ensemble movement coupled with great music. �Thusly you have my
> feelings for Phantom this year...I thought the show meshed quite
> well...coming from a VKesque show background, I also got into that
> aspect and thought they sold it in spades. �Hey, it was emotional and
> generated emotion from the crowd...at least *most* of the crowd. �
You have???????
How did THAT go OVER?
BTW? Ever talk to someone that had TRUELY participated in
winterguard... WHEN it was WINTERGUARD?
Exactly WHEN did the PHANTOM REGIMENT... become...
I've waited a LONG time.
Sharon
Charlie Groh
wrote:
>On Aug 23, 12:05?am, Charlie Groh <chasg...@dslextremerage.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:14:38 -0700 (PDT), ns787980 <sharca...@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Aug 19, 10:59?pm, Charlie Groh <chasg...@dslextremerage.com> wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:12:15 -0700 (PDT), ns787980 <sharca...@aol.com>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >On Aug 11, 12:48?pm, paristalks <rdesche...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> >> >> On Aug 10, 12:15 am, Sis <siste...@comcastRichMadeMeDoIt.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > Awesome year!
>>
>> >> >> > Jackie
>>
>> >> >> Yup, this is the first year in a *long* time that I've felt genuine
>> >> >> joy and excitement not only over the shows, but also how things turned
>> >> >> out competitively.
>>
>> >> >> Kinda neat . . . especially as it was 30 years ago that I first began
>> >> >> marching corps in Oakland.
>>
>> >> >> Sue
>>
>> >> >Sue....
>>
>> >> >It's Sharon... What made YOU glad? ?Specifically?
>>
>> >> >Sharon
>>
>> >> ...Sharon, at the risk of a negative response, she states, "...not
>> >> only over the shows, but also how things turned out competitively." ?
>>
>> >> That doesn't say it? ?She even expressed "...joy and excitement..."! ?
>>
>> >Mr Groh? ?I would be the first to admire Sue Deschenes. ?She has some
>> >how found her way. ?She has stuck it out and has found a way to make
>> >it "her" experience. ?I do admire that. ?And BTW? ?I don't deny
>> >ANYONE... that kind of experience. ?In fact, I wish that for myself.
>> >HENCE... is why I asked her what I did.
>>
>> >> Admittedly, I haven't been gaga over DCI corps in general for a long
>> >> time...there are exceptions of course...but I fully agree with Sue;
>> >> this year was special.
>>
>> >Then... WHAT was IT?? ?Because all I see.... is WHAT I see. ?The last
>> >time I complained about drum and bugle corps.... everyone complained
>> >that I hadn't seen drum corps in a long time and I should come back
>> >and see.. that was around 2000. ?And I stuck it out for a long time.
>> >And frankly... what I saw was NOT drum and bugle corps. ?I went to
>> >practices.... I carried emails from home to sites that corps were
>> >staying at... I brought cookies to kids that marched... I sponsored a
>> >kid that stiffed me by not sticking it out - went home with an injury
>> >and didn't have the balls to tell me he went home.. I've watched EVERY
>> >show that was available to me.
>>
>> >And never mind ALL of THAT... I watched what I watched. ?And what I
>> >saw was a colorguard that no longer places emphasis on their equipment
>> >work...They don't even take pride in marching a freaking parade. ?And
>> >I could talk AD NAUSEUM about that. ?A drum line that has been side
>> >lined into oblivion. ?Why have a snare drum or bass drum anymore?
>> >What do THEY do for drum and bugle corps? ?They are dismissed so much
>> >they have to go get accolades in WGI! ?That is simply such a diss to
>> >drummers everywhere. ?IMHO. ?And what about the bugle part. ?With
>> >those wimpy trumpets... is there such a thing as a solo anymore?
>> >Those kids playing trumpets strain so much... it's no wonder their
>> >heads don't explode!!!
>>
>> >Sorry Mr Groh. ?I've tried... even more than one could be expected
>> >to. ?And truly... I really went in with an open mind and a willingness
>> >to accept something that I wasn't used to. ?But I looked at it up
>> >close. ?It should no longer be called drum and bugle corps. ?And there
>> >should no longer be a competitive circuit devoted to drum and bugle
>> >corps. ?Because it no longer is a "Drum" and "Bugle" "Corps".
>>
>> >?I saw quarterfinals in a smallish theater here
>> >> in Orange County that had maybe 200 seats. ?There were 150 people
>> >> there and it was a REAL cool vibe...lots of cheering and
>> >> clapping...and Phantom absolutely brought down the house. ?I dunno,
>> >> but that reaction told a story, no pun intended...
>>
>> >I'm really good with that Mr Groh. ?You got people that seem to think
>> >that the current form is good? ?That's for you to say... and me to
>> >judge. ?HENCE.. why I asked Sue Deschene... WHAT... SPECIFICALLY...
>> >made HER judge this year good?
>>
>> >So Phantom? ?What - SPECIFICALLY - brought the house down? ?And if I
>> >wanted to be a bitch... WHO was the "house"?
>>
>> ...the "house" were many contemporaries, collegues and, of course,
>
>You are serious? You are totally avoiding a misstep... Right?
>
>You think that it's OKAY for YOU to be critical of me and my
>thoughts... and you are doing what you do?
...critical? Where do you get *that?*
Heh...Cya later, Sharon!
>
>Mr Groh? What do YOU think is appropriate?
>
>
>> many I didn't know. ?I sat with a mom (an "old school" guard
>> instructor, who has, BTW, made the transition
>
>TRANSITION? WHAT DOES "THAT" MEAN????
>
> and puts out some of the
>> snappiest and timing/catch oriented guards here in SoCal)
>
>Are you saying that the MOM "approves" what is colorguard? I'd like
>to see what the "MOM" is.
She marched Blue Stars '76 and maybe 'til the end. Could spin the
hell out of a rifle then and still can. She teaches NOW, Sharon!
That's what I meant about "transition"...but I thought you'd catch it
in context.
Like I said, Cya, Sharon.
cg
>
>
>
> who had a
>> son who was marching Blue Stars (and started in Impulse...good kid,
>> good mom). ?Now, *she* had some bias, of course, but the rest of the
>> folks were just drum corps nuts Jones'n 'cause they couldn't be
>> there...
>
>Listen.... if I'm to say that drum and bugle is...because YOU say
>so... I'm not willing to go there. SERIOUSLY.
>>
>> I appreciate your comments, Sharon, you state your opinions clearly
>> and your feelings are true to you, I'm sure.
>
>Mr Groh... I'm sure that is true. In the "appreciation" bracket? I'm
>good with what I wrote. ABOUT what IS... A drum and bugle corps.
>
>
>
>?We don't see modern
>> corps the same way...maybe 'cause I'm just an olde marching geek and
>> LOVE visual whatevers.
>
>YOU have no idea what I believe. "Modern"?
>
>And BTW? Isn't it convenient for YOU?
>
>
> ?Even though I've put out a guard or three in
>> the past, I've never been a true CG person...what really gets me going
>> is ensemble movement coupled with great music. ?Thusly you have my
>> feelings for Phantom this year...I thought the show meshed quite
>> well...coming from a VKesque show background, I also got into that
>> aspect and thought they sold it in spades. ?Hey, it was emotional and
>> generated emotion from the crowd...at least *most* of the crowd. ?
ns787980
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 22:03:20 -0700 (PDT), ns787980 <sharca...@aol.com>
I LOVE IT when people MENTION... something like that.
Mr Groh?
THAT was lovely.
Sharon
paristalks
I felt joy that Phantom won this one outright. No ties. The title was
theirs, and theirs alone. I felt elation at a show that connected with
the audience and elicited such a visceral response. You know, the way
shows used to? I was proud to help support a young man marching
baritone in Madison this year. It was wonderful to feel that kind of
personal involvement and homegirliness (yeah, I know, that's not even
*close* to being a word) for the first time in years. Given that it
had been 30 years since I first started marching Oakland, it felt as
if things had come full-circle.
That about covers it.
Sue
paristalks
I'm less resentful of a lot of the changes (though the addition of
electronics does not have me doing handsprings). But I saw several
instances this year of corps taking a deep breath, analyzing what
works and what doesn't, and There were also still some fairly extreme
examples of what does not work, IMO. Yet even the corps that did those
things seem to be taking a step back from those extremes in their
programs that have been announced for next year. So I guess some of
the trends I'm seeing bring me some sense of relief that maybe corps
can return to something less esoteric, more visceral . . . or, at
least, a better blend of those two.
I confess to a fair bit of agreement to much of what Stu posted, yet
-- and I guess this is because I have a vested interested in this
young guy who marched Madison -- I don't feel ready to give up on it
just yet. I've known this fellow since he was in diapers. I went to
university with his mom; she marched in our university guard. And then
I taught guard for her husband for the better part of my career as a
guard instructor. This young man is the oldest of their three sons and
has long wanted to march corps. He chose Madison. Paying closer
attention to that corps, because of him, I was happy to see a lot of
the choices they made, choices which honor the corps' tradition while
moving it into a more contemporary style. I like the balance they
achieved, but that's just me.
And then, of course, there's the phenomenon that was Phantom Regiment.
That's been discussed quite extensively, so I won't go into it more
here other than to say I've been thrilled to get to witness that kind
of genuine emotion and excitement over a show. Friends of mine who,
before, never would have dreamed of calling themselves Phantom
Regiment fans are calling this the best DCI finals performance they've
ever witnessed. And these are folks who have been attending DCI finals
for 30 years or more.
Is part of that reaction due to the paucity of shows that generated
such a response in recent years? I suspect that may be the case. But
it still gives me a lot of joy to see a corps performance that lifted
the audience out of its seats with a thunderous, thrilling ovation
that's inherent with drum corps. Or, at least, drum corps the way I
remember it.
That's progress.
Sue
paristalks
> On Aug 21, 5:39 pm, Sis <siste...@comcastRichMadeMeDoIt.net> wrote:> Stu wrote:
> > > I love you guys, but the fact that you think this sick disaster is
> > > ticketworthy tells me you are as out-of-touch with reality as the
> > > activity itself. And you are better informed and more objective!
>
> > It's true that we have lower standards than we used to. Just the change
> > in trends from a couple of corps has us all emotional. It's just nice
> > to see a slap in the face and a change in direction!
>
> Thanks, Jackie, that's part of it, too. I think as I've grown older,
> I'm less resentful of a lot of the changes (though the addition of
> electronics does not have me doing handsprings). But I saw several
> instances this year of corps taking a deep breath, analyzing what
> works and what doesn't, and
Oops, sorry, didn't finish that sentence:
But I saw several instances this year of corps taking a deep breath,
analyzing what works and what doesn't, and integrating changes that
appear to put at least as much emphasis on connecting with the
audience as with the judges.
By the way, I apologize for such late responses. Things got busy and I
hadn't checked in lately. Then I stopped by today and was surprised to
see that my post had generated a fair bit of discussion, so I figured
I'd better chime in, too.
Sue
Big Rich Soprano
>theirs, and theirs alone. I felt elation at a show that connected with
>the audience and elicited such a visceral response. You know, the way
>shows used to? I was proud to help support a young man marching
>baritone in Madison this year. It was wonderful to feel that kind of
>personal involvement and homegirliness (yeah, I know, that's not even
>*close* to being a word) for the first time in years. Given that it
>had been 30 years since I first started marching Oakland, it felt as
>if things had come full-circle.
>That about covers it.
Here hear! There are a number of youtube videos showing the crowds
honest responses when Phantom won... Addresses to follow...
Big Rich Soprano
>Here hear! There are a number of youtube videos showing the crowds
>honest responses when Phantom won... Addresses to follow...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epraXQrUEqE&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssdW-QgyXFQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axsM7pQ7T-g&feature=related
That about covers it... hehehe...
paristalks
> >>That about covers it.
> >Here hear! There are a number of youtube videos showing the crowds
> >honest responses when Phantom won... Addresses to follow...
>
>
> That about covers it... hehehe...
I'd seen the first two, but not the third, so thanks for posting
those. A lotta fun!
Sue
Big Rich Soprano
>those. A lotta fun!
You're very welcome!
ns787980
I believe that YOUR always? Wasn't mine. And in the mean time? When
YOU weren't so focused. Is when I believe EVERYTHING that I have ever
written about drum and bugle corps.
Neither here nor there.
Sharon
On Aug 23, 1:26�am, Charlie Groh <chasg...@dslextremerage.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 22:03:20 -0700 (PDT), ns787980 <sharca...@aol.com>
David White
> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 18:32:48 -0700 (PDT), ns787980 <shar...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I understand Mr Groh... what your focus is. And has always been.
>>
>> I believe that YOUR always? Wasn't mine. And in the mean time? When
>> YOU weren't so focused. Is when I believe EVERYTHING that I have ever
>> written about drum and bugle corps.
>>
>>
>> Neither here nor there.
>>
>> Sharon
>>
>
> quite translate it into English.
> Thanks,
>
> Z
Zorb,
One of the few things that you and I will agree on is this. No
matter how many times I read it, I'll not understand. Maybe we should
have used her in the war. Nobody would have been able to crack that code..
Big Rich Soprano
>matter how many times I read it, I'll not understand. Maybe we should
>have used her in the war. Nobody would have been able to crack that code..
Use the Esperanto cipher...
ns787980
> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 18:32:48 -0700 (PDT), ns787980 <sharca...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I understand Mr Groh... what your focus is. �And has always been.
>
> >I believe that YOUR always? �Wasn't mine. �And in the mean time? �When
> >YOU weren't so focused. �Is when I believe EVERYTHING that I have ever
> >written about drum and bugle corps.
>
> >Neither here nor there.
>
> >Sharon
>
> quite translate it into English. �
> Thanks,
>
> Z
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> >You think that it's OKAY for YOU to be critical of me and my
> >> >thoughts... and you are doing what you do?
>
>
> >> Heh...Cya later, Sharon! ?
>
> >> >Mr Groh? ?What do YOU think is appropriate?
>
> >> >> many I didn't know. ?I sat with a mom (an "old school" guard
> >> >> instructor, who has, BTW, made the transition
>
>
> >> > and puts out some of the
> >> >> snappiest and timing/catch oriented guards here in SoCal)
>
> >> >to see what the "MOM" is.
>
> >> hell out of a rifle then and still can. ?She teaches NOW, Sharon!
> >> That's what I meant about "transition"...but I thought you'd catch it
> >> in context.
>
> >> Like I said, Cya, Sharon.
>
> >> cg
>
> >> > who had a
> >> >> son who was marching Blue Stars (and started in Impulse...good kid,
> >> >> good mom). ?Now, *she* had some bias, of course, but the rest of the
> >> >> folks were just drum corps nuts Jones'n 'cause they couldn't be
> >> >> there...
>
> >> >Listen.... if I'm to say that drum and bugle is...because YOU say
>
> >> >> I appreciate your comments, Sharon, you state your opinions clearly
> >> >> and your feelings are true to you, I'm sure.
>
> >> >good with what I wrote. ?ABOUT what IS... A drum and bugle corps.
>
> >> >?We don't see modern
> >> >> corps the same way...maybe 'cause I'm just an olde marching geek and
> >> >> LOVE visual whatevers.
>
>
> >> >And BTW? ?Isn't it convenient for YOU?
>
> >> > ?Even though I've put out a guard or three in
> >> >> the past, I've never been a true CG person...what really gets me going
> >> >> is ensemble movement coupled with great music. ?Thusly you have my
> >> >> feelings for Phantom this year...I thought the show meshed quite
> >> >> well...coming from a VKesque show background, I also got into that
> >> >> aspect and thought they sold it in spades. ?Hey, it was emotional and
> >> >> generated emotion from the crowd...at least *most* of the crowd. ?
>
> >> >You have???????
>
> >> >How did THAT go OVER?
>
> >> >winterguard... WHEN it was WINTERGUARD?
>
> >> >Exactly WHEN did the PHANTOM REGIMENT... become...
>
> >> >I've waited a LONG time.
>
> >> >Sharon
>
> >> >> So, I guess that's as specific as I can get!
>
> >> >> Nice discussion!
>
> >> >> cg
>
> >> >> >Sharon
>
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Here is an explanation... for you DOUCHEBAGS...
Charlie doesn't even BEGIN to have the knowledge or even the
EXPERIENCE that I have.
I was just trying to be nice. And by being nice... I mean vague.
Now... go for it. That man was around BEFORE me. And AFTER me. As
good as Charlie is? He doesn't know SHIT about the in between. And
as far as I'm concerned? For the HEALTH of drum corps? I believe
that the IN BETWEEN (when Charlie WASN'T around) counts.
You DOUCHEBAGS can write what EVER you want to. That is WHY you are
DOUCHEBAGS.
Sharon
PS: I haven't EVER heard of you DOUCHEBAGS being revolutionary...
just by YOUR participation.
flu...@msn.com
>
> Here is an explanation... for you DOUCHEBAGS...
>
> Charlie doesn't even BEGIN to have the knowledge or even the
> EXPERIENCE that I have.
>
> I was just trying to be nice. And by being nice... I mean vague.
>
> Now... go for it. That man was around BEFORE me. And AFTER me. As
> good as Charlie is? He doesn't know SHIT about the in between. And
> as far as I'm concerned? For the HEALTH of drum corps? I believe
> that the IN BETWEEN (when Charlie WASN'T around) counts.
>
> You DOUCHEBAGS can write what EVER you want to. That is WHY you are
> DOUCHEBAGS.
>
> Sharon
>
> PS: I haven't EVER heard of you DOUCHEBAGS being revolutionary...
>
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Well there goes that Miss Congeniality trophy out the window....and I
was so hopeful this year...;]
George
ns787980
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If it's George's MISSION?
Make it REAlL...
I would LOVE it.
AND Mr Maloney can MAKE..IT... REAL..
SHARON
flu...@msn.com
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REALLY...;]
ns787980
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Just by YOU saying so. What a R'E"Diculous conversation. You people
getting your kicks. Mr Maloney.,,, Why don't you just admit that you
have nothing to say. Your aim in life is just to say something
opposite... And get it over with!
How about YOU? Got anything to say that could be considered "AGAINST"
what YOU think isn't RIGHT?
Oh WAIT.... NONE OF YOU HAVE ANY.... BECAUSE YOU DON'T... You POUNCE
on those that are willing to contradict.
I'm fine with that.
Sharon
Jazzycat1
>
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You seem so sexy when you're angry.
Jim Blansett
She may be Sarah Palin's alter ego.
Jazzycat1
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Hubba Hubba
ns787980
>
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OMG... What a sexist response. And one thing I DO know?
None of you repeated..SEXIST...HOPEFULS... HERE? Have in no WAY have
any HOPE to defeat me here. I KNOW that... because I know that NONE
of you have been where I have been..
:)
Sharon
PS: None of YOU could even BEGIN!
Colonel Jake
<e86a4b13-ac22-4546...@k16g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>
:
<snipped>
:
:
: OMG... What a sexist response. And one thing I DO know?
:
: None of you repeated..SEXIST...HOPEFULS... HERE? Have in no
: WAY have any HOPE to defeat me here. I KNOW that... because
: I know that NONE of you have been where I have been..
:
Kind of like?,
"Teh ole'saying?!?!?!,...., no matter where you are, you'll
always be there!!!,...., but Sharon?!?!?!,...., have you ever
lefted, where you've been?!?!?!..."
:
: ` :)
:
: Sharon
:
: PS: None of YOU could even BEGIN!
:
What'cha mean?,
"We've already finished!!! (years ago),....,
but you Sharon?!?!?!,...., haven't even started!!!..."
(we still haven't heard of any (Sharon (experience (yet))))
flu...@msn.com
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My best friends father while growing up was a drunk...He used to end
every conversation with "when you know...what I know...then you'll
know something" and "when you've been where I've been...then you've
been somewhere" and "when you've seen what I've seen...then you've
seen something" Etc...He would also speak in fragmented sentences and
incomplete phrases...as if you could read his mind and guess what he
was talking about. He sobered up when we were teenagers and wasn't as
much fun, but I was happy for my buddy that his Dad didn't embarrass
him anymore.
George
ns787980
Mr Maloney?
The only thing that I have to write? Is ask the people that know ME.
IMHO... YOU are an ASSWIPE.
Sharon
ns787980
> ns787980 <sharca...@aol.com>
> <e86a4b13-ac22-4546-9184-7f818ce61...@k16g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>
Ask your fellow man.
Sharon
PS: Your fellow man... not YOUR attempts to discredit me... when YOU
can.. and HOW you can. Jackass.
jomar.v...@gmail.com
First and foremost Carolina Crown. Still I can't get over the fact
that the corps are using legit horns rather than bugles. Call me old
fashioned. Part of the fun of marching for me was making music with
crappy out of tune bugles.
Cisco
Big Rich Soprano
Spoken like a true Corps guy!..
Charlie Groh
...yah, but *we* didn't know the difference! As a young lad just
starting boy scouts I began drumming and at the ripe old age of 12
discovered the trombone...later on, when we got some *real* drummers
in the corps, I "sacrificed" and went over the the horn line, we were
just starting to play harmony...POWERHOUSE! I switched back and forth
from 'bone to bugle and for the life of me, never batted an
eye...well, 'cause it was an *ear* thing after all and I truly never
knew the intellectual difference...always sounded the same, when in
Rome...
Then came the instruments from Olds, which we were the lab rats for in
'60's VK...we had baritones with George Roberts Bass Trombone bells
for cryin' out loud (maybe JB can tell y'all 'bout his french horn and
the mouthpiece that they made for his baritone chops). The sops they
came up with were made with premium Olds trumpet parts...it was the
bestest brass in drum corps, that's for sure. And I *still* didn't
know the difference. Now, after 40-odd years I get involved playing
and marching again, with a lot of guys who continued to play and horns
that have been improved vastly even from those olde experimental Olds
days...I got a 3 valve 5/4 G Kanstul to play on, had a P/R Olds at
home and even a Bb Tuba/Contra from Impulse in the living room: NOW I
know the difference. I LOVE that olde P/R! What a great horn! (...he
says while he's dickering with Zig to get a real Tuba...heh...I
actually want to learn to *read* that Bb stuff, knowing it from
trombone just don't get it, if you know what I mean!).
cg
Jim Blansett
What the hell are all those lines -- beneath the staff? It puts a
whole new meaning to the term "cellar dweller."
Charlie Groh
<jim_bl...@hotmail.commakaze> wrote:
Billy Park, you know him JB, talked me into sitting-in a wind
ensemble... I ended up being able to hit a few footballs (you know,
whole notes...heh) but the end result, other than a high degree is
angst and embarassment, was inspiration. I'll be in thrall for a
loooong time!
cg
ns787980
That would be Drum AND BUGLE corps.
Not for nothing? But when concert horns were introduced to Drum AND
BUGLE corps? There was NO SUCH THING as a Drum AND BUGLE corps
anymore.
No Bugles anymore..... and then their administrations took away DRUMS.
And... YEESH! The colorguard couldn't even be EVEN a "flag", "rifle",
or EVEN a "saber".
You can keep your "IN TUNE" "CONCERT" instruments.
I haven't heard a nice solo from an "IN TUNE CONCERT" trumpet...
EVER! In an competitive enviroment.
Sharon
PS: Any jokers from this newsgroup want to challenge me on that?
Mr Maloney?
Mike Poche?
Charles Groh?
Lee Rudnicki?
Jackie?
Nanci?
Ron?
PPS? Good luck getting ANYONE of them to agree with me. But, they
know in their heart of heart? That I'm right.
ns787980
> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:16:29 -0500, Big Rich Soprano
>
Are you playing a Concert Instrument? A horn that was NEVER made to
be played in an OUTDOOR enviroment?
This arguement has been played out HERE ad nauseum.
Sharon
Sis
Present! Well, 2008 Phantom Regiment had an awesome mellophone solo.
That's one.
ns787980
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May I introduce to you a concert intrument that is NOT called a
MELLOPHONE?
And what are YOU talking about?
Sharon
Sis
I might ask you the SAME thing!
Jackie
ns787980
Oh good! Phantom Regiment had mellphones in 2008.
Isn't that against the RULES? How does Phantom Regiment get to play a
MELLPHONE?
Isn't THAT against the RULES?
Sharon
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Charlie Groh
wrote:
>On Nov 1, 1:56?am, Charlie Groh <chasg...@dslextremerage.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:16:29 -0500, Big Rich Soprano
>>
>> <BucSopr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>I have to be honest. ?There were some shows that really surprised me.
>> >>First and foremost Carolina Crown. ?Still I can't get over the fact
>> >>that the corps are using legit horns rather than bugles. ?Call me old
>> >>fashioned. ?Part of the fun of marching for me was making music with
>> >>crappy out of tune bugles.
>>
>> >Spoken like a true Corps guy!..
>>
>> ...yah, but *we* didn't know the difference! ?As a young lad just
>> starting boy scouts I began drumming and at the ripe old age of 12
>> discovered the trombone...later on, when we got some *real* drummers
>> in the corps, I "sacrificed" and went over the the horn line, we were
>> just starting to play harmony...POWERHOUSE! ?I switched back and forth
>> from 'bone to bugle and for the life of me, never batted an
>> eye...well, 'cause it was an *ear* thing after all and I truly never
>> knew the intellectual difference...always sounded the same, when in
>> Rome...
>>
>> Then came the instruments from Olds, which we were the lab rats for in
>> '60's VK...we had baritones with George Roberts Bass Trombone bells
>> for cryin' out loud (maybe JB can tell y'all 'bout his french horn and
>> the mouthpiece that they made for his baritone chops). The sops they
>> came up with were made with premium Olds trumpet parts...it was the
>> bestest brass in drum corps, that's for sure. ?And I *still* didn't
>> know the difference. ?Now, after 40-odd years I get involved playing
>> and marching again, with a lot of guys who continued to play and horns
>> that have been improved vastly even from those olde experimental Olds
>> days...I got a 3 valve 5/4 G Kanstul to play on, had a P/R Olds at
>> home and even a Bb Tuba/Contra from Impulse in the living room: ?NOW I
>> know the difference. ?I LOVE that olde P/R! What a great horn! (...he
>> says while he's dickering with Zig to get a real Tuba...heh...I
>> actually want to learn to *read* that Bb stuff, knowing it from
>> trombone just don't get it, if you know what I mean!).
>>
>> cg
>
>Are you playing a Concert Instrument? A horn that was NEVER made to
>be played in an OUTDOOR enviroment?
...uh, yeah, Sharon, a "concert" instrument...which have been played
outside for...ah, a looooooong time (I want to say from the time of
the Romans, but it may be even before).
>This arguement has been played out HERE ad nauseum.
...try this sweetie...Google "Sousa"...OK? Oh, you might, in the
process of checking out the March King (the composer of actual martial
music written for performance both in and out of doors...not the
month), become informed about his design for an improved outside sound
for Tuba: The Sousaphone.
Through all this high-minded research, you may become aware that the
instrument I refer to in my post does indeed have a role in an OUTDOOR
environment, because before he designed the Sousaphone, they carried
upright Tubas in marching bands. Good current example, if you've been
able to drag your ass out of bed on New Year's Day early enough, is
the Salvation Army Band which marches the Rose Parade every
year...usually 15 or 20 upright tubas out there...clearly not intended
to be used for anything but a tuba sound, because they *do* sound
different than Sousaphones. That band sounds GREAT year after year.
Now, before you go off on one of your tangents, the purpose of this
response is to refute your ridiculous statement about the tuba I
intend to acquire...and, might I add, NEVER carry in any kind of
parade/marching performance BUT surely may sit down in an outside
venue somewhere with a brass ensemble of some kind...and, yes, do what
it was designed to do; make music.
A fact to you Sharon, is like Kryptonite to Superman.
cg
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>Sharon
Charlie Groh
>ns787980 wrote:
>> On Oct 31, 12:07?am, jomar.villaf...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I have to be honest. ?There were some shows that really surprised me.
>>> First and foremost Carolina Crown. ?Still I can't get over the fact
>>> that the corps are using legit horns rather than bugles. ?Call me old
>>> fashioned. ?Part of the fun of marching for me was making music with
>>> crappy out of tune bugles.
>>>
>>> Cisco
>>
>> That would be Drum AND BUGLE corps.
>>
>> Not for nothing? But when concert horns were introduced to Drum AND
>> BUGLE corps? There was NO SUCH THING as a Drum AND BUGLE corps
>> anymore.
>>
>> No Bugles anymore..... and then their administrations took away DRUMS.
>>
>> And... YEESH! The colorguard couldn't even be EVEN a "flag", "rifle",
>> or EVEN a "saber".
>>
>> You can keep your "IN TUNE" "CONCERT" instruments.
>>
>> I haven't heard a nice solo from an "IN TUNE CONCERT" trumpet...
>> EVER! In an competitive enviroment.
>>
>> Sharon
>>
>> PS: Any jokers from this newsgroup want to challenge me on that?
>>
>> Mr Maloney?
>>
>> Mike Poche?
>>
>> Charles Groh?
>>
>> Lee Rudnicki?
>>
>> Jackie?
>
>Present! Well, 2008 Phantom Regiment had an awesome mellophone solo.
>That's one.
And, correct me if I'm wrong here, that mello is in F...what about the
DCA guys...Joe Pero's one, most of those lines are Bb now, Curt from
Cabs played a great trumpet before he retired to the Alumni
Corps...there are many...
cg
Colonel Jake
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: > : > I have to be honest. There were some shows that
: > : > really surprised me. First and foremost
: > : > Carolina Crown. Still I can't get over the fact
: > : > that the corps are using legit horns rather than
: > : > bugles. Call me old fashioned. Part of the fun of
: > : > marching for me was making music with crappy out
: > : > of tune bugles.
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: > : > Cisco
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Lets hope?,
"That teh nym Cisco?!?!?!,...., doesnt have any corresponding
correlations, with an?!?!?!,...., a person who works in an
I.T. Department, or anything kind of Technical!!!..."
(an I.T. man, who's an GoOgler (like Jazzycat))
<>
<> no I'm not sorry
<> for bringing Spazzy
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<> that GoDDAMNED
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: > : Spoken like a true Corps guy!..<SLAP>
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BRS!,
"STFU!!!,...., you GoDDAMNED message header FUCKING snecker!!!..."
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: > ...yah, but *we* didn't know the difference! As a young
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Every?,
"Orchestra & Band Instruments are all made to be played,
indoOrs or outdoOrs!!! (ever hear of an Amphitheatre)..."
Merriam Dictionary 2 d: and 3:
(http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Amphitheater)
It may be possible?,
"That Sharon?!?!?!,...., hasn't ever been,
to an outdoor orchestra concert performance!!!..."
(YoU have never BEEN, where I HAVE been, or SEEN, DoOKY-FUCK)
:
: This arguement has been played out HERE ad nauseum.
:
You are wrong?,
"Sharon!!!,...., teh argument was?!?!?!,....,
how many Marching Bands, march with violins!!! (BIATCH)..."
(get those ankles? up to teh knees! RIGHT! NoW! GoDDAMNIT!)
;^/
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Sis
Nope. Not against the rules. You should hear it, you'd love it. That
kids plays a mean mellophone.
Jackie
flu...@msn.com
Jokers? and you want these "jokers" to agree. Oh hell no...
OK the horn lines are more in tune than ever and put out some great
music depending on your taste.
The drum lines are running around in spectacular fashion playing some
amazing books.
The guards are better than ever...moving under their equipment and
combining equipment with body/movement. Just ask some one who spun
back in the day and still teaches now.
Over all the DC shows of today are every bit as exciting as when I
marched and I believe they are structured much better for over all
effect.
IMHO.
I wish the stayed with G-Bugles, but I get over it when I hear the
intonation of these lines.
I don't like the AMPS, but try to ignore it as much as possible.
I Hate the narration that 90% of the Corps use. so I get a hot dog
during their performances.
I never want to see woodwinds on the field.
George
MelodiousThunk
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> Oh good! Phantom Regiment had mellphones in 2008.
>
> Isn't that against the RULES? How does Phantom Regiment get to play a
> MELLPHONE?
>
> Isn't THAT against the RULES?
The mellophone is a band instrument that dates back to the 1880s. The
mellophone bugle was my favorite bugle.
I think that the word "bugle" should be dropped from the genre now
called "drum corps" entirely.
I don't have a problem with the word "drums," since they're still
marching around with bass drums.
Colonel Jake
MelodiousThunk <thunk.m...@gmail.com>
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: > Oh good! Phantom Regiment had mellphones in 2008.
: >
: > Isn't that against the RULES? How does Phantom Regiment
: > get to play a MELLPHONE?
: >
: > Isn't THAT against the RULES?
: >
:
: The mellophone is a band instrument that dates back to
: the 1880s. The mellophone bugle was my favorite bugle.
:
: I think that the word "bugle" should be dropped from the
: genre now called "drum corps" entirely.
:
: I don't have a problem with the word "drums," since
: they're still marching around with bass drums.
Yeah Bill?,
"But the Bass Drums dont represent 'The Corps' anymore,
they all say 'YAMAHA,' on their heads, at least when I
marched? my corps Bass Drums either said:
` Squires Jr. Drum & Bugle Corps with Colour Guard
` Velvet Knights Drum & Bugle Corps with Colour Guard
` Imperial Dragons Drum & Bugle Corps with Colour Guard
not? 'YAMAHA!!!.' .."
the OTHER Mike
Actually, for the most part, they are NOT concert horns but brass
designed to be "outdoor" instruments for projection. It's all about
the money. The factorys can sell twice as many horns if they
convience people they need a stage set and a field set of horns.
Of course now we have "indoor " marching percussion for winter
drumlines.
It's all about money and how they turned drum corps into a marching
billboard for everything from shoes to twirling
sperm...............................
Big Rich Soprano
>...yah, but *we* didn't know the difference!
I never did this at a young age so i could tell right away. Wish i did
Corps before HS! What was it like being a lab rat?..
Big Rich Soprano
>> know in their heart of heart? That I'm right.
Nuts is more like it not right...
Big Rich Soprano
>mellophone bugle was my favorite bugle.
I thought Stan Kenton invented it for his jazz lab (rat) band?
Jim Blansett
It appears that Conn developed the horn several years before Kenton
began using them in his "Neophonic Orchestra."
Colonel Jake
Big Rich Soprano <BucSo...@gmail.com>
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<GoDDAMNED Big 'Dick' Soprano, snecked message headers, again>
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: >> PPS? Good luck getting ANYONE of them to agree with me.
: >> But, they know in their heart of heart? That I'm right.
:
:
: Nuts is more like it not right...
:
You know whats more nutz?,
"Nobody knows?!?!?!,...., who you're replying to!!!..."
(GoDDAMNED RETARDED-MESSAGE-HEADER-SNECKING-PoASTER)
Big Rich Soprano
>>>mellophone bugle was my favorite bugle.
>>I thought Stan Kenton invented it for his jazz lab (rat) band?
>It appears that Conn developed the horn several years before Kenton
>began using them in his "Neophonic Orchestra."
Hmm, cool...
Sis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw3uX-vi04
Jackie