And The Number 1 Reason I Don't Care If A Flute Player Can March
Sis
Jim Blansett
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>Jackie
The music, without a doubt, stands the test of time. But, you know
what? Try as I might, I couldn't hear the flutes; the BRASS was that
friggin' loud! ;-)
Sis
Aaaaah, "BRASS, friggin' loud!" Even a Caveman can understand it!
Jackie
Sis
I'm thinking of making up tee shirts! :-)
Jackie
Jazzycat1
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> >> The music, without a doubt, stands the test of time. But, you know
> >> what? Try as I might, I couldn't hear the flutes; the BRASS was that
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> > Aaaaah, "BRASS, friggin' loud!" Even a Caveman can understand it!
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> I'm thinking of making up tee shirts! :-)
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You know - I saw all the world clas DCI corps this year except Surf
and none of them had a sop soloist that could even touch that. Why is
that?
Jim Blansett
Trumpets in Bb rather than Bugles in G - it makes a world of
difference to the ear. Oh, and they are some really good dudes, too!
Jazzycat1
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I know about the G Bugles being louder but I'm really talking about
the complete lack of screamers in DCI now as opposed to the 70's 80's
and 90's...
Charlie Groh
...ysh! And there are plenty of Bb players in DCA...Joey Pero comes
to mind...
cg
Shadow_7
Bear in mind that the expense of today, prevents the dominance of 7 and 8
year vets with monster abilities of yesterday. Most are lucky to march
one year at best. Marching 3 or more at $3K a pop, not exactly a career
orientated person to accomplish that. When you can buy a new car, before
your 21st if you don't march. Just a drop in the bucket you say? Were
you making better than minimum wage before you turned 21? Did you even
work? $3k at $5 and hour (for math simplicity) is 600 hours labor. aka
a full time job for 15 weeks. Almost four months to pay for the two
month tour. What did we have to do? Work part time for two months for
our three month tour. Leaving us plenty of time to practice. And since
we averaged five year vets across the board, recruitment wasn't that big
of a time suck either.
rfudg...@comcast.net
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It's less an issue of the key, Bb versus G, than the fact that corps
are trying to use trumpets, a concert instrument, in place of bugles.
A bugle, regardless of key, with it's wider conical bore will always
project much better in an outdoor enviorment. The major manufacturers
have made it quite clear that they only want to produce one line of
marching instruments that they can market both to corps and bands. Of
course, if you want to offer up the bucks, they will custom build
whatever instrument you want and in whatever key. The Marine Drum &
Bugle corps recently received a complete set of custom built two valve
"G" bugles from Kanstul who also supplied the Army's "Old Guard" Fife
and DrumCorps with set of custom built single valve "Bb" bugles.
Stu
> I'm thinking of making up tee shirts! :-)
Make mine, "I'd rather be marching."
Stuart E. Rice
www.marchingresearch.com
Sis
Hahaha, interesting that you've ever noticed him since he doesn't march!
;-)
Jackie
Charlie Groh
...jeeze, Sis, how can you *not* notice...he plays! I get quite an
earful on the sidelines...he marched for awhile, didn't he? Quiz time:
when did he last march? Heh...best was when he and Richie and the
T-Bird guy were tradin' licks...
cg
Sis
A friend of mine and I were just talking about that today, wondering
where that other guy (T-bird guy) went.
Jackie
pano...@aol.com
> It's less an issue of the key, Bb versus G, than the fact that corps
> are trying to use trumpets, a concert instrument, in place of bugles.
> A bugle, regardless of key, with it's wider conical bore will always
> project much better in an outdoor enviorment. The major manufacturers
> have made it quite clear that they only want to produce one line of
> marching instruments that they can market both to corps and bands. Of
> course, if you want to offer up the bucks, they will custom build
> whatever instrument you want and in whatever key. The Marine Drum &
> Bugle corps recently received a complete set of custom built two valve
> "G" bugles from Kanstul who also supplied the Army's "Old Guard" Fife
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I play a Bb trumpet? I think It's pretty loud enough, even on the
field. Of course it's a Kanstul 1500A with a copper bell, but
still.........LOL. I would agree tho that the trumpets they're using
today aren't on a par volume wise with the old G sops. The bari
sections often drown out trumpet sections and especially trumpet
soloists out front I've noticed.
I don't think it's the bore tho. If so then a cornet would be louder
than a trumpet? I think they're pretty close to the same volume wise
but of course the cornet is mellower, there's your conical bore
factor. Also the thickness of the material and/or plating plays a
big role. I play tested a pair of 2valve G sops years ago. One in
silver the other chrome/nickel. A chrome/nickel G sop was louder
than the same sop in vibrating silver plate. The more the horn
vibrates out the nodal points and the sides of the bell, the less
volume there is out front, and/or the more "spread" and shotgun like
the sound is. And the reverse I've found true. The heavier and less
vibratory the horn is the more energy and sound gets sent to and
directly out the bell, like a high powered rifle. Players love
vibrating horns tho if only for the fact they can hear themselves
better amongst other loud stuff like drums, amps(stage), or a large
hornline or drumline in close proximity(field),etc. If that makes any
sense?
Fluke/throat of the bell too is a factor. 2 valve G sops seem to be
very much larger in that area, so much so that you can't get a harmon
mute in them without double or triple corking the thing,heh.
Phil
ns787980
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> Jackie
It's too bad that members of this newsgroup NEED to make themselves
LOOK good by engaging this group to look AT youtube.
What is your goal? What does THAT DO for YOU?
Rememberance... of 'IDUMBICH".
God... THAT person was just toxic...
Good thing IDUMBICH took herself over to the NEXT BEST THING...
RAMD with NO consequenses.
Sharon
ns787980
> On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:23:10 -0700 (PDT), Jazzycat1
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Really?
Joe Pero?
No wonder the guy made himself "unavailable" to SPEAK with HIS
constituency... HE flipped!
To his defense... I KNEW that was going to happen.
"I" wouldn't want to be HIM.
What I want to know... is did switching to a Bb instrument SERIOUSLY
hamper a performance?
Sharon
PS: Keep in mind... I've listened to PERORMANCES....MANY TIMES OVER.
AND INCLUDING Bb instruments.
flu...@msn.com
> On Oct 20, 10:31 pm, Sis <siste...@comcast.net> wrote:
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> > Jackie
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> It's too bad that members of this newsgroup NEED to make themselves
> LOOK good by engaging this group to look AT youtube.
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> What is your goal? What does THAT DO for YOU?
wE GET TO WATCH SOME GREAT OLD SCHOOL DRUM CORPS.
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> Rememberance... of 'IDUMBICH".
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> God... THAT person was just toxic...
IRONY METER EXPLODES...;}
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> Good thing IDUMBICH took herself over to the NEXT BEST THING...
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> RAMD with NO consequenses.
Exactly...
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> Sharon
flu...@msn.com
Be careful CG...when you've heard what she's heard...then you've heard
something. and...when you've seen what she's seen...well you know...;}
ns787980
And THAT is what no one is saying... fearing offending...
If Joe Pero is going to play a trumpet FOR drum corps. And not ONE of
YOU jackasses are going to say anything about it. SOMEONE should.
Even in my ADDLED MIND...playing an INDOOR CONCERT INSTRUMENT is
NEGATIVE for drum corps.
IT'S YOU PEOPLE that have played the POLITICAL card and have ACCEPTED
this form of "DRUM CORPS".
If Joey Pero playing a trumpet means that drum and bugle corps isn't?
That's up to you. I've complained since the girls started dancing and
calling THAT colorguard.
Sharon
Jeromeybush
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> If Joey Pero playing a trumpet means that drum and bugle corps isn't?
> That's up to you. I've complained since the girls started dancing and
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> Sharon
I guess cause you can't/never could.
Why dont you and Stu get together, teach/make a drum corps, and show
the world how fabulous you are instead of being whiny wannabees who
hide behind a keyboard and a couple of unread papers.DUMBICH-es
Jeeez.
flu...@msn.com
In the 60's??? I didn't know you were that old...;} YES the 60's dumb-
ass...
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> Sharon
ns787980
What is really 'DUMBASS" is you fools still SAYING that what you
witness on a football field between June and August (in the year 2009)
IS drumcorps.
Cause you can! But it isn't really.
Sharon
PS: No matter how you insult the writer... you can't change facts..
the OTHER Mike
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I didn't mind when Madison's rifle line did dance moves WHILE doing
rifle work.
ns787980
Anyone that BELIEVES that drum and bugle corps is REAL? Ought to read
THIS thread.
They'll get a HINT about what these jokers believe is real.
READ IT.... READ IT ALL.
This BANDO presentation makes my point. IN FULL.
Sharon
PS: ANYONE READING THIS THAT HAS A HINT? Knows... EVEN THE KIDS THAT
PROGRESSED FROM THEIR BAND.
flu...@msn.com
BANDO...I've never marched in one myself...;}
ns787980
Sure you have...Your "pores leak" bando. Just based off of YOUR
comments to RAMD.
An acceptance to THIS (current day) form of drum and bugle corps means
you are a bando. Because that is what drum and bugle corps is.
It's a reminder that NO MATTER that YOU never marched in a band.. NO
MATTER that drum corps could NOT survive. And I will point out BASED
on those of YOU that (IMHO) blindly accepted THIS form being projected
as drum and bugle corps.. and I have examples:
Concert instruments being played in an outdoor enviroment.
Percussion instruments no longer prominent.
Colorguard being nothing more than a dance troupe.
Guess what those descriptions are? Band. I witnessed the whole
thing. USBA? THAT is the description of drum and bugle corps. And
has been for some time now. Essentially due to people like YOU.
Just admit it GEORGE...Why keep up the front that YOU are "MR DRUM
CORPS? IMHO? You never have been.
You've never liked anyone that was critical of what YOU believe to be
drum and bugle corps. And You've gone after them on a personal level.
IMHO, you PRESENT a bullshit arguement at every level of YOUR
contribution to this group.
And I will be the first to invite you to write.. WHO CAN ARGUE WITH
THAT??
Sharon
flu...@msn.com
OK...Now who can argue with that?