Phone book manga - Dragon Jr.
Tlalocelotl Tlatoani
I've been unimpressed with them of late. Too much... stuff that's so
Japan specific it doesn't really hit me at all. You know, stuff that's
so... I can't put my finger on it. But ther reaaaaaaaaaly bad (past
Crayon Shin Chan) art work with the nasty H content, the cutesey manga
that make no sense except to 7 year olds (a la Di Gi Carat)... not much
has caught my attention. I picked up a Dragon Jr. today and I must say I
liked most of what I saw in the book. Most was semi-cutesey, but the art
was nice. I didn't see much "garbage" manga in there. Even the H wasn't
too bad. The manga for Vandread was cool. As well as some of the girly
ones. I wasn't impressed with Monster Collection. But all in all I
wasn't upset.
Thoughts?
TT
Peter Van Huffel
says...
> I forget, what are the phone book sized manga things called?
Magazines. (pronounced in Engrish of course)
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Tlalocelotl Tlatoani
>
> In article <3BE79B2F...@sprintmail.com>, redk...@sprintmail.com
> says...
> > I forget, what are the phone book sized manga things called?
>
> Magazines. (pronounced in Engrish of course)
Are you dead positive? I could swear there was another term for them.
Kinda like Tankoban, but that's the little collected comics things.
TT
Andrew Cunningham
> I forget, what are the phone book sized manga things called?
>
> I've been unimpressed with them of late.
With the exceptions of Afternoon and Shonen Jump, most seem to get by
on one or two decent titles in a mountain of crap.
Tlalocelotl Tlatoani
You know I picked up a "Jump" and a "Daioh" from last year (sale) and I
was more impressed with the Daioh. It seemed that at that point Jump
went downhill. Not sure of them currently, don't have a current one on
hand.
TT
FC
Tlalocelotl Tlatoani wrote:
> You know I picked up a "Jump" and a "Daioh" from last year (sale) and I was more impressed with the
> Daioh. It seemed that at that point Jump went downhill. Not sure of them currently, don't have a current one
> on hand.
I think as we grow older, it's just getting hard to find a manga series that we like from Shonen Jump. Not
exactly that it went downhill a lot, they still got several series that are very popular among junior to high
school kids. For example, once the readers pass certain ages, the crowds will gradually move from Shonen Jump
to the Young Jump or Business Jump... One thing for sure, after the end of Dragonball a few years ago, the
sales of Shonen Jump has been down.
Tlalocelotl Tlatoani
Heck, I'm not even really talking about the stories in it. I buy these
for art. And a large portion of the art sucked. The only one inside that
really rocked was the Persona manga. That was worthwhile. But not much
of the rest caught my eye. Well over 50% was lacking one form of skill
or another.
TT
Peter Van Huffel
says...
Oh, you could use the general term "zasshi" (a general magazine) of
course, but "magajin" (the japlish for magazine) is also frequently used.
I don't know about any typical term that is used for a *manga* magazine
except for those two general terms.
Peter Van Huffel
says...
> FC wrote:
> >
> > Tlalocelotl Tlatoani wrote:
> >
> > > You know I picked up a "Jump" and a "Daioh" from last year (sale) and I was more impressed with the
> > > Daioh. It seemed that at that point Jump went downhill. Not sure of them currently, don't have a current one
> > > on hand.
> >
> > I think as we grow older, it's just getting hard to find a manga series that we like from Shonen Jump. Not
> > exactly that it went downhill a lot, they still got several series that are very popular among junior to high
> > school kids. For example, once the readers pass certain ages, the crowds will gradually move from Shonen Jump
> > to the Young Jump or Business Jump... One thing for sure, after the end of Dragonball a few years ago, the
> > sales of Shonen Jump has been down.
>
I'd not be surprised if sales have gone up lately, as they have some very
hot series now.
> Heck, I'm not even really talking about the stories in it. I buy these
> for art. And a large portion of the art sucked. The only one inside that
> really rocked was the Persona manga. That was worthwhile. But not much
> of the rest caught my eye. Well over 50% was lacking one form of skill
> or another.
One thing I'd never do is to buy the magazine to enjoy the art (except
for the color pages). I'd recommend buying the collections, as the print
quality will be much higher.
And it's clearly not the art that is the main attraction of a magazine
like Shuukan Shounen Jump. There're better mags to buy for the art than
SJ.
Chris Kern
> I'd not be surprised if sales have gone up lately, as they have some very
> hot series now.
Yes, with One Piece, Shaman King, Naruto, Hikaru no Go, and other
stuff, is it even possible that Jump is back to the supposedly
legendary days of YYH, DB, Kenshin, and Slam Dunk?
-Chris
Tlalocelotl Tlatoani
>
> One thing I'd never do is to buy the magazine to enjoy the art (except
> for the color pages). I'd recommend buying the collections, as the print
> quality will be much higher.
Linework is fine for me. I don't care about the paper quality. Color is
cool but good linework is better.
> And it's clearly not the art that is the main attraction of a magazine
> like Shuukan Shounen Jump. There're better mags to buy for the art than
> SJ.
Any suggestions? All styles interest me. Realistic one or well formed
cute ones go well over with me. By cute, I don't mean just cute.
Something like Sailor Moon and Di Gi Carrat don't do well with me.
But... somethign with the line work quality of Gunsmith Cats would.
TT
Ping Kuo
ke...@grinnell.edu (Chris Kern) wrote:
no, you are talking 4 millions+ compare to sub 3 million copies today
each week.
I don't have the latest figures, but SM and SJ are suppose to be about
even, with SM coming third, (2.9. 2.9, 2.7)
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Tlalocelotl Tlatoani <redk...@sprintmail.com> wrote:
> Peter Van Huffel wrote:
> > And it's clearly not the art that is the main attraction of a magazine
> > like Shuukan Shounen Jump. There're better mags to buy for the art than
> > SJ.
> Any suggestions? All styles interest me. Realistic one or well formed
> cute ones go well over with me. By cute, I don't mean just cute.
> Something like Sailor Moon and Di Gi Carrat don't do well with me.
> But... somethign with the line work quality of Gunsmith Cats would.
Afternoon and Ultra Jump, for adult poster art, check Uppers. for
shoujo, Wings, sometimes Young King and Young Sunday have good art
works, but they are not consistent, it is a hit and miss thing. depend
on what part of story each title is progressing, you may read one of the
mags and figure it got bad arts, when you don't have a chance to read it
for a long period of time, suggestion? list the titles you like, and
find out which mags they are on instead, working backward, it is much
better to follow the mangaka instead of the magazine, of course, this is
just art style, story is entirely another... story, good art does not a
good manga make, Seraphic Feather is a good example I think, Even
Isatoshi's latest work is more interesting than that one. sigh.
Tlalocelotl Tlatoani
>
> Afternoon and Ultra Jump, for adult poster art, check Uppers. for
> shoujo, Wings, sometimes Young King and Young Sunday have good art
> works, but they are not consistent, it is a hit and miss thing. depend
> on what part of story each title is progressing, you may read one of the
> mags and figure it got bad arts, when you don't have a chance to read it
> for a long period of time, suggestion? list the titles you like, and
> find out which mags they are on instead, working backward, it is much
> better to follow the mangaka instead of the magazine, of course, this is
> just art style, story is entirely another... story, good art does not a
> good manga make, Seraphic Feather is a good example I think, Even
> Isatoshi's latest work is more interesting than that one. sigh.
Like I said, I'm not following story. I can't read kanji all that well.
All I need is art, so the story can be painfully bad if the art is
there. Story only matters when I sit down and actually try and
understand it. And I'm not THAT hardcore to translate it all... not yet.
Once my Japanese is there, then yeah.
Thanks for the suggestions.
TT
David Watson
> good art does not a
> good manga make, Seraphic Feather is a good example I think, Even
> Isatoshi's latest work is more interesting than that one. sigh.
I like Seraphic Feather, actually, but thought that Slut Girl was a blast.
So what's Isutoshi doing now?
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Ping Kuo
aj...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (David Watson) wrote:
> Ping Kuo (removeant...@earthlink.net) writes:
> > good art does not a
> > good manga make, Seraphic Feather is a good example I think, Even
> > Isatoshi's latest work is more interesting than that one. sigh.
> I like Seraphic Feather, actually, but thought that Slut Girl was a blast.
> So what's Isutoshi doing now?
ummm, Tende Furiizu(sp?)! the first three chapters on Afternoon are
just excuses for fan services, the last three actually start to develop
a story, it is about two psychic girls, (ah, correction, women ;) one
with the power of raising temperature, one with the power of seer, and a
high school kid, yes, he is really a high school student! your typical
lame leading male who gets lucky (or unlucky) with hot chics. etc. he
has the power to amplify their power, so far it is more interesting
than SF, (bad story) Exaxxion, (boring story) or Love Hina, (old formula
story) for me anyway. my expectation is low, so I am pleasantly suprise
that there is a fresh, original idea to come out with fan services.
(did I just say that? :)
on the subject of Afternoon, does anyone know what is going on with
Kenji Tsuruta's latest Abeno Bridge Magical Market Street? ok, in three
chapters, we have an old antique, weird ceremony, and revival of monster
at the old market street, clues anyone?
John C. Watson
Ping Kuo at removeant...@earthlink.net wrote on 11/08/2001 5:16:
> In article <f51288f9.01110...@posting.google.com>,
> ke...@grinnell.edu (Chris Kern) wrote:
>
>> ph...@club.REMOVE.THIS.innet.be (Peter Van Huffel) wrote in message
>> news:<MPG.1653981a1...@news.skynet.be>...
>
>>> I'd not be surprised if sales have gone up lately, as they have some very
>>> hot series now.
>
>> Yes, with One Piece, Shaman King, Naruto, Hikaru no Go, and other
>> stuff, is it even possible that Jump is back to the supposedly
>> legendary days of YYH, DB, Kenshin, and Slam Dunk?
>
> no, you are talking 4 millions+ compare to sub 3 million copies today
> each week.
Actually, it was as high as 6.3 million in 1995. (_Dreamland Japan_.
Frederik Schodt. P. 91.)
> I don't have the latest figures, but SM and SJ are suppose to be about
> even, with SM coming third, (2.9. 2.9, 2.7)
Ouch.
Ciao,
John
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Ping Kuo
"John C. Watson" <johnc...@mediaone.net> wrote:
> in article removeantispampkuo-3...@nnrp01.earthlink.net,
> Ping Kuo at removeant...@earthlink.net wrote on 11/08/2001 5:16:
> > In article <f51288f9.01110...@posting.google.com>,
> > ke...@grinnell.edu (Chris Kern) wrote:
> >> Yes, with One Piece, Shaman King, Naruto, Hikaru no Go, and other
> >> stuff, is it even possible that Jump is back to the supposedly
> >> legendary days of YYH, DB, Kenshin, and Slam Dunk?
> > no, you are talking 4 millions+ compare to sub 3 million copies today
> > each week.
> Actually, it was as high as 6.3 million in 1995. (_Dreamland Japan_.
> Frederik Schodt. P. 91.)
once I read a figure of 5 million, but it got shot down by no other than
Hitoshi Doi, so I am sticking with the more conservative figures. (who
am I to argue with raai kami sama?)
> > I don't have the latest figures, but SM and SJ are suppose to be about
> > even, with SM coming third, (2.9. 2.9, 2.7)
> Ouch.
another typo, the third place is obviously SS, this figure, btw, is
about a year or 2 old. it was a big deal and made it onto Chinatimes
because SM actually beat SJ for a period of time. for comparsion, Bunch
is around sub one million right now I think. (0.7-0.9?) and that is
done with just two quality titles for old geezers. (they have absolutly
nothing attractive to 15 and under crowds.)
Andrew Cunningham
> about a year or 2 old. it was a big deal and made it onto Chinatimes
> because SM actually beat SJ for a period of time.
In Christ's name how? Magajin has what, Gto? Maybe Love Hina?
I can't even think of anything else terribly popular, much less good.
Rave, Samurai Deeper Kyo, and Getbackers sort of make a bit of a stir
but not enough to matter, and they're all dull as ditchwater.
Sunday's not much better, of course; Conan and a wasteland of sports
manga.
I imagine Conan sells trades more than the actual magazine...
On the other hand, something much be giving people the bright idea to
start up new seinen stuff; Evening seems to be just Morning monthly,
but I think Afternoon started that way too, so maybe in ten years
it'll be worth reading.
Ping Kuo
eir...@iname.com (Andrew Cunningham) wrote:
> > another typo, the third place is obviously SS, this figure, btw, is
> > about a year or 2 old. it was a big deal and made it onto Chinatimes
> > because SM actually beat SJ for a period of time.
> In Christ's name how? Magajin has what, Gto? Maybe Love Hina?
I personally am following 4 (now 3) titles on SM, and read casually
about 3 or 4 more, same with SS, I can only name one I am following on
SJ (hikaru no go), it really depend on personal taste, in general, my
opinion is SJ tend to have more spike hair punk guy endless battle type
of story, and just happen I am not a big fan of, SM and SS tend to have
better story, (IMHO of course.) not that they don't have about the same
stuffs anyway, (sports, romance, battle, comedy, fan serivce, etc.) art
work wise it is a wash. after all, they ALL have a readership of over
2.5 millions so they ALL can NOT be that bad.
in fact, for mental exercise, you can basically match one title against
another in each magazine, they all have a go manga, romance, baseball,
golf, soccer, samurai, detective, etc. and when one magazine come out
with one new subject, (water jet race, for example) the other magazine
will try to come out with a same one to match it.
instead to think that SM and SS catch up with SJ, you should think that
SJ had falling back into the pack when those big four titles all stopped
within a short time of each other,
if my recollection is corrected, SM at that stretch beat SJ for 3 or 4
weeks by some twenty thousand copies. it was news because SJ was that
dominated before.
> I can't even think of anything else terribly popular, much less good.
> Rave, Samurai Deeper Kyo, and Getbackers sort of make a bit of a stir
> but not enough to matter, and they're all dull as ditchwater.
never argue with personal bias, they are subjective and pointless.
and btw, those are not the titles I am following.
> Sunday's not much better, of course; Conan and a wasteland of sports
> manga.
if you are not raised in the far east asia culture, you can't imagine
how big sports (especially baseball) manga are, for one thing, every
single koshin story would be meaningless to you. that is why sports
title usually don't do well with western culture readers, but trust me,
they are VERY big there, the number of sport titles in each magazine
should mean something to you,
just imagine, for 90 years, you have only one major sports in your
country, and before talents got dilute by pro draft, the national high
school championship is the biggest amaturs sport there is, where
everyone has a chance, and every single game is single elimination, that
is koshin to you. in fact, during the 70's and 80's, sports mangas made
up the majority of good titles. this also explains why Touch was/is so
big, if you don't get Touch, you will never understand what sports mean
to shonen manga.
> I imagine Conan sells trades more than the actual magazine...
Conan actually makes its mark in anime mostly. no one will mistake
Conan manga for great art, for one thing. Conan is easy to read, also
Japanese is the top nation in the world in readership of anything, and
mystery is the #1 leisure reading subject. but that is another story.
Conan is actually SS's answer to SM's K1 detective casebook, a clone
that made it big and better than the one it tried to match.
> On the other hand, something much be giving people the bright idea to
> start up new seinen stuff; Evening seems to be just Morning monthly,
> but I think Afternoon started that way too, so maybe in ten years
> it'll be worth reading.
it won't be that long, when you are a few years older you will suddenly
find titles on other magazines much more palatable than SJ, the intended
target audiences are different. when your taste changed, so will your
magazine of preference,