David M. Tuller
tul...@rpi.edu
Ie, mysteries like Ellery Queen, where the mystery is solved and
deduced, not things like a lot of Agatha Christie where only a vague
hunch and bluffing works, or the hero literally stumbles into the
clues. Locked room mysteries are good, chatting for hours on end
over cups of tea is bad.
The big trouble is, the trouble with writing a good mystery gets
compounded when you make it into IF. A good mystery shouldn't have
the reader constantly saying "but there's another logical explanation
that's much simpler". In IF, the player/reader will undoubtedly
pursue these other avenues of approach, and may not take any of the
intended ones because they're considered illogical or silly. The
motives have to be straight forward, else the read may not relate to
them or pursue them (ie, nothing with the word "escrow"). In fact,
don't rely upon the motive - the mystery should be solvable even if
the motive isn't discovered (it's a boring read in many mysteries when
they only pursue the motive end of investigation). In a good mystery,
everyone has a motive, and digging at them only provides red herrings
(and the culprit often was the one with the weakest motive or had a
heretofore unknown motive). And forget the "motive+means+opportunity"
stuff, it's unrealistic.
Finally, don't require endless hours of replaying things over again.
Suspect did this and it was incredibly annoying. Ie, restore saved
game, wait around in a different location to see what happens, then
try again elsewhere, etc.
In a book, you can read beyond the boring or badly written stuff. In
IF, those spots are where the reader will get stuck and remain stuck.
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Darin Johnson
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I may just have to write something like this eventually. Of course,
I have a lot of other stuff to get to first.
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Well, in that case I agree. Of course there should be some "wrong" endings, if
the wrong person gets arrested.
I don't know much about Colonel's Bequest, since I haven't played it.
>|> I think Infocom's Deadline is the best one I have played, the difficulty-level
>|> is low enough. Witness and Suspect were to easy!
>|>
>|> -DK
>
>The only Infocom game I've ever played was LGOP so this type of info isn't of much use to me.
>
If you like murder games, you MUST play Deadline. That's IF when it is
as best.
-Darius Katz
How come you didn't like Deadline?
Witness was MUCH simpler, very few suspects, not as many clues as in Deadline.
In Deadline you have to THINK to solve it. In Witness you just can hide around
and then see who it was.
Ok, the prose was better in Witness but as a Murder Mystery I think Deadline
is still the best.
-Darius Katz
Great game. You should play it.
|> >|> I think Infocom's Deadline is the best one I have played, the difficulty-level
|> >|> is low enough. Witness and Suspect were to easy!
|> >|>
|> >|> -DK
|> >
|> >The only Infocom game I've ever played was LGOP so this type of info isn't of much use to me.
|> >
|>
|> If you like murder games, you MUST play Deadline. That's IF when it is
|> as best.
Now, if only I can find a copy somewhere....
|> -Darius Katz
David M. Tuller
tul...@rpi.edu
It was too "fuzzy". No hard evidence or facts, at least not early on.
Probably because I got stuck early on, with nothing to do, and had
given a valid motive to every single person met, so I was stuck
following everyone around all day, then restoring, then doing the
same with someone else, etc. Didn't get the lead until I started
doing the same with each room. (maybe I wouldn't have been stuck
if I hadn't been led to believe that the physical evidence was
important)
Maybe it's because I like mysteries, and Deadline just didn't fit the
mold of a good mystery. Heck, I don't even remember much about it,
and it wasn't that long ago that I played it (not too memorable :-)
It was too "fuzzy". No hard evidence or facts, at least not early on.
Probably because I got stuck early on, with nothing to do, and had
given a valid motive to every single person met, so I was stuck
following everyone around all day, then restoring, then doing the
same with someone else, etc. Didn't get the lead until I started
doing the same with each room. (maybe I wouldn't have been stuck
if I hadn't been led to believe that the physical evidence was
important)
Maybe it's because I like mysteries, and Deadline just didn't fit the
mold of a good mystery. Heck, I don't even remember much about it,
and it wasn't that long ago that I played it (not too memorable :-)
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Darin Johnson
djoh...@ucsd.edu
- I'm not a well adjusted person, but I play one on the net.
Like Suspended written by Dashiell Hammett or Raymond Chandler.
I *WANT* this :-)
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