Pablo Picasso was never called an asshole
Charles Eicher
Hanel) wrote:
I'll answer your question first, before I ream you for that stupid story.
> And by the way, does anyone out there have a lead on an informative text
> about Merit Oppenheim?
Well, to start with, you might find appropriate citations if you search
for 'Meret Oppenheim'.. Then you could easily search your library for
citations, like this catalog raisonne:
Author: Curiger, Bice, 1948-
Meret Oppenheim.
Title: Meret Oppenheim / Bice Curiger ; with texts and poems by Meret
Oppenheim <et al. ; English translation by Catherine
Schelbert>.
Edition: 1st English ed.
Published: Zurich ; New York : Parkett Publishers ; Cambridge, Mass. :
MIT Press, 1989.
Description: 275 p. : ill. (some col.) ; 29 cm.
> At this point Picasso chimed in and said "You should encourage her".
What total horseshit. I get so sick of people quoting these stupid
apocryphal Picasso stories. I collected about 30 distinctly different
Picasso stories before I stopped recording them. If you have to quote such
ridiculous stories, at least be unique. See if you can top this one:
Picasso's mistress was going blind, he took her to all the greatest
doctors in all of europe, but to no avail, the doctors certified she was
going blind, and nothing could be done about it. So Picasso decided to
take her on a world voyage, so at least she could see the greatest places
in the world before she went blind.
Upon arriving in New York, they were walking down the street when they
passed a small storefront marked 'opthalmologist'.. On a whim, Picasso and
the woman entered. The opthalmologist examined the woman, and said, "Why I
can cure her easily, and it will only cost you $100." So, she has the
operation, and after a few days, she regains her sight. Picasso is so
overjoyed, he returns to the doctor, and says he will paint a mural on his
office wall, it would be worth vastly more than the mere $100 fee. The
doctor agrees, and picasso inhabits the office over the weekend, painting
furiously, leaving the finished painting behind a tarp, to be unveiled in
front of the doctor and an audience of art experts.
So, on to the unveiling. To great applause and acclaim, Picasso reveals
the mural. The Doctor is silent. Its a huge 20 foot mural of an eye. Just
an eye. A HUGE eye. Picasso asks the doctor what he thinks of the mural.
The doctor replies "I'm sure glad I'm not a gynecologist!"
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Charles Eicher
cei...@inav.net
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Art Hanel
when Pablo himself strolled up from behind and evesdropped. His presence
was not yet known to them.
One of the people was not impressed with the work, and they remarked to
their friend "My daughter of four years could do better than this".
At this point Picasso chimed in and said "You should encourage her".
And by the way, does anyone out there have a lead on an informative text
about Merit Oppenheim?
Rosa Amarillo
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>In article <ceicher-1602...@ceicher.inav.net>, cei...@inav.net says...
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>>The doctor replies "I'm sure glad I'm not a gynecologist!"
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> B-R-A-V-O !! Charles. e OLE !!
POSTSCRIPT: Sorry Charles, just couldn't resist . . .
Georgia O'keefe painted the Mural in the gynecologist's office.
She titled it "d' Flowered".
Rosa Amarillo
CAT
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> Georgia O'keefe painted the Mural in the gynecologist's office.
> She titled it "d' Flowered".
Two Ha's for each of you.
Rosa Amarillo
>>>>The doctor replies "I'm sure glad I'm not a gynecologist!"
>>>> Charles Eicher
After thinking (?) some more about this, I have concluded that
Charles ended on a very sexist note. The ending would be less offensive
if it made reference to a PROCTOLOGIST, I believe. And possibly
funnier !! Rosa nose . . .
Jason A. Hutto
>At this point Picasso chimed in and said "You should encourage her".
Picasso had this odd trait when it came to art and artistic development.
He was always very patient and supportive of children who wanted to learn
to draw and paint and he encouraged them and advised parents and friends
to encourage their children.
But when it came to others, adults, he was of the attitude that they were
miniscule nothings.
When once his girlfriend of the time, I think it was Francois, told him
that Matisse had said that he would paint her portrait Picasso flew into
a rage and claimed that only he could paint her portrait, and that
Matisse would never amount to anything and on and on....
Picasso also went out of his way to undermine his contemporaries
financially and artistically. He spread rumors about Juan gris and
caused him no end of career trouble. He finnagled aspects of his
relationship with Gertrude Stein to make himself her favorite and harshly
affect Matisses ability to keep her as a patron/benefactor. He stifled
the hopes and dreams of the younger generation artists of his time
whenever they expressed the notion of being like him or when they ever
hinted at the fact that they had made any sort of artistic stride. He
resented the fact that someone elses art might be on display where his
should be. He stole opportunites from artists who were literally
starving and used his clout to keep them down.
And on and on thoughout his career and life.
This same attitude affected even his children and grandchildren.
He used his women as sex toys and emotional crutches while never truly
giving himself to them. He shut his family out even after he was dead,
banning children and grandchildren from even his funeral. People were
puppets for him and if they did not respond to him the way he wanted them
to he tried to destroy them. Three people who were directly related to
him killed themselves after his death. His grandson, hie former lover
and eventually his last wife. That was the extent of control he
maintained over the people in his life.
All of this taken for granted...Picasso still displayed love and
affection for people he barely knew or did not know at all. He was like
two people. He adopted causes and gave money and advice and friendship
to anyone and everyone but his 'loved ones'.
While I admire Picasso more than any other artist, he was still
despicable, and maybe some people did not, but many did call him an asshole.
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Jason A. Hutto
Even though that's a hilarious tale, is it actually true?
I don't think it is...I have heard the same story applied to two other
famed artists.
Jason A. Hutto
It would have been funny if he had said proctologist, urologist,
gynecologist, or any other oligist that works on private parts.
It would also be funny if the doctor had been a vet specializing in
large animal husbandry, a sex therapist, or anything that would be
amusing to imagine depicted as a huge mural on the wall of the office.
Get a grip. Not everything is sexist.racist.somethingphobic.
Some things are just FUNNY.
Charles Eicher
Hutto) wrote:
> Charles...
>
> Even though that's a hilarious tale, is it actually true?
> I don't think it is...I have heard the same story applied to two other
> famed artists.
well, of COURSE it isn't true. That is the meaning of 'apocryphal'..
Charles Eicher
Amarillo) wrote:
I'm just repeating the story as I heard it. I refuse to edit jokes to be
politically correct. I prefer to be politically erect.
CAT
Can...@ElPaso.com (Rosa Amarillo) wrote:
>>>>>The doctor replies "I'm sure glad I'm not a gynecologist!"
>>>>> Charles Eicher
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>After thinking (?) some more about this, I have concluded that
>Charles ended on a very sexist note. The ending would be less offensive
>if it made reference to a PROCTOLOGIST, I believe. And possibly
>funnier !! Rosa nose . . .
FREEZE EICHER!!! PC SEXISM POLICE!!!
Rosa Amarillo
>well, of COURSE it isn't true. That is the meaning of 'apocryphal'..
> Charles Eicher
AW Charles !! I'll bet you go around at Xmas time pulling off the
beards of those shopping-mall Santas too and setting all the tiny tots straight.
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A rose by any other name is a petunia.
Rosa Amarillo
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DannoArts
Hutto) writes:
> Not everything is sexist.racist.somethingphobic.
>Some things are just FUNNY.
Hear, hear!
Danno
DannoArts
Hutto) writes:
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>While I admire Picasso more than any other artist, he was still
>despicable, and maybe some people did not, but many did call him an
asshole.
Your points are well-taken. I, too, hold Picasso in highest esteem as
probably the greatest artist who ever lived. By this I mean that he
contributed more and better art than anyone else, and that his influence
on other artists, the art world, and the world in general, is greater.
Like many great geniuses, he was indeed two people: loving and generous at
times, a despicable asshole at others. He is not alone in this; many
others in the arts lead comparable lives. One partial explanation is that
people who make it really big in the arts are totally devoted to their art
- the rest of the world and the people in it, including their families,
exist merely to help or hinder the art effort.
There is more to it with Picasso, I think. He was an Andalusian (sp?)
Spaniard, born and raised in the last century. To expect him to have a
modern attitude toward women, for example (as some people do), is
unrealistic. This doesn't excuse his behavior, of course. But it explains
a lot, like his extreme superstitions.
I think that people like Picasso with extremely contradictory personalies
get that way because they are conflicted. Picasso was highly intelligent,
a genius by any definition, and was thus able to see the flaws and
prejudices in his upbringing. Yet he could never get rid of its influence.
This is an oversimplified discussion, and my opinion only.
What bugs me is: without the conflicts, would people like Picasso (and
Modigliani, Giacometti, etc.), have created what they did? Who knows?
Matisse was a lot steadier, and he created a body of work certainly
comprable to any other.
The art, of course, has to stand on its own merits. Whatever prompted
Picasso to treat people like dirt, or Ezra Pound to broadcast for the
Fascists, didn't seem to affect their work. But why?
Comments welcomed!
Dan Fox
James Rowell
dann...@aol.com (DannoArts) writes:
>In article <4gam96$n...@Isis.MsState.Edu>, ja...@Ra.MsState.Edu (Jason A.
>Hutto) writes:
>>
>> While I admire Picasso more than any other artist, he was still
>> despicable, and maybe some people did not, but many did call him an
>> asshole.
>
> times, a despicable asshole at others. He is not alone in this; many
> others in the arts lead comparable lives. One partial explanation is that
> people who make it really big in the arts are totally devoted to their art
> - the rest of the world and the people in it, including their families,
> exist merely to help or hinder the art effort.
Another explanation can best be seen by checking out "Full Metal Jacket",
by Stanley Kubrick. The entire film has to do with this basic premise.
Best summarized in one scene when Prvt. Joker is being interrogated by
a Col. about a peace symbol on his body armour and "Born to Kill" on
his helmet. "Just what the hell is that supposed to mean?!" says the
Col. Joker replies "It has something to do with the duality of man SIR!
It's a Jungian thing." (The Col. doesn't know what to think at that
point and just replies with "Son, do you love your country! Well why
don't you jump on the team and come in for the big WIN!" ...Great scene.)
James.