Hudson River Painters
Bernard Victor
were superior to Constable, Turner, Bonington and other 18th Century
European painters. It would be interesting to know on what grounds the
writer found them superior, particularly as they were influenced to a
great extent by Constable and Turner.
It would be also interesting to know if the aforesaid Mani Deli has
ever seen any of the actual works in a gallery of the painters who he
is so quick to criticize or if these criticisms are based solely on
illustrations in books etc. Perhaps Mani Deli is anti-British and does
not like the works of any British painters , or is he just ignorant of
their work.
keith o'connor
any discourse with mani. Mani needs an old fashioned doctrinaire approach
to art - much like religion. He cannot function in a multi-dimensional
pluralistic universe.
But if you want to try - don't feel you will be successful in using logic
corner the luditite - he will frustrate you every time.
--
take care: Keith
The eye should not be lead where there is nothing to see.
Robert Henri - The Art Spirit
"Bernard Victor" <bvi...@HotPOP.com> wrote in message
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Mani Deli
Aunt Cee Pants
says...
>Perhaps Mani Deli is anti-British and does
>not like the works of any British painters , or is he just ignorant of
>their work.
Mani is just "anti" and not really ignorant,
but he definitely has problems with his
"one-track mentality." I don't think, as
a Canuck, he really resents Brits as much
as he apparently resents those who live
south of the border from him - especially
if they had anything remotely to do with
20th Century USA art movements!
keith o'connor
challenged.
--
take care: Keith
The eye should not be lead where there is nothing to see.
Robert Henri - The Art Spirit
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Mani Deli
>It is inadvisable to apply logical or reasonable argumentation methods in
>any discourse with mani. Mani needs an old fashioned doctrinaire approach
>to art - much like religion. He cannot function in a multi-dimensional
>pluralistic universe.
Keith who is a Modern Academic Art fundamentalist like some others
here can't be disagreed with. When he is upset he writes incoherent
babble or the sort of patronizing like the above. What disturbs Keith
more than anything is my advice to look at his abominable artwork.
>
>But if you want to try - don't feel you will be successful in using logic
>corner the luditite - he will frustrate you every time.
Saying I prefer the Hudson River school has nothing more to do with
logic than Keith saying he likes Rothko.
>"Bernard Victor" <bvi...@HotPOP.com> wrote in message
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>> In a fairly recent post Mani Deli said that the Hudson River Painters
>> were superior to Constable, Turner. Bonington and other 18th Century
>> European painters.
I only mentioned Constable and Turner. Why don't you read what's
written.
> It would be interesting to know on what grounds the
>> writer found them superior, particularly as they were influenced to a
>> great extent by Constable and Turner.
They weren't, most studied landscape painting in Germany and the US. I
find both T. and C. technically inferior. The only reason for Turner's
popularity is Ruskin and that his color anticipates the
impressionists. I don't think he was a bad artist. As to Constable his
sloppiness anticipates Modern Academic Art no-skill realism. 19th
Century Britain had hundreds of really fine landscape painters whose
names are well known to collectors and almost unknown to students.
>> It would be also interesting to know if the aforesaid Mani Deli has
>> ever seen any of the actual works in a gallery of the painters who he
>> is so quick to criticize or if these criticisms are based solely on
>> illustrations in books etc.
I've traveled and lived in Europe, lived in NYC and have probably seen
more originals than you have.
>Perhaps Mani Deli is anti-British and does
>> not like the works of any British painters , or is he just ignorant of
>> their work.
Perhaps you only know the cockeyed history taught in Modern Art
academies and imagine that anyone who doesn't happen to like what you
do is against the all the artwork of a whole nation.
That is what Keith imagines to be logic.
Brian Shapiro
Well.. just because artists pick on a sentiment earlier than others
doesn't mean they weren't premature and unable to articulate the
sentiment. Mani would probably say, even if the Hudson River painters
were influenced by Constable and Turner, they accomplished the
sentiments better. Just as artists who come after the prime of a
movement are often poor imitators, you could argue precursors are also
often poor and aren't as conscious of what they're doing.
Personally, I like European pleinairists like Corot, the Barbizon
school painters as Daubigny and Troyon, Austrian pleinairists like
Schindler and Jettel. I think they better capture the beauty of nature
better than either 18th century English or American Hudson River
artists.
Brian Shapiro
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Mani Deli
>All skill and no composition makes imitation art for the artistically
>challenged.
No skill, no talent and no knowledge result in abominable artwork on
the level of Keith's. Check it out!
Mani Deli
wrote:
>Mani is just "anti" and not really ignorant,
>but he definitely has problems with his
>"one-track mentality."
Are people like you who don't like Norman Rockwell, Bouguereau,
Vargas, illustration etc. just "anti" ?
> I don't think, as
>a Canuck, he really resents Brits as much
>as he apparently resents those who live
>south of the border from him - especially
>if they had anything remotely to do with
>20th Century USA art movements!
>
I think that with your "one-track mentality."
you resent anyone who doesn't share your taste, especially if they
like 20th century art which you don't?
keith o'connor
Keith the abominable artist
painter of
abominable art
a-b-o-m-i-n-a-b-l-e
That's it
Twenty first century art is
the age of
abominable art
Science has developed
a drinkable paint
that allows artists
to urinate in colour
I can see it now
traditional portrait painter
paints portrait of famous
urinating artist.
Artist urinates portrait of prime minister
to be hung in national portrait gallery
the portrait - not the prime minister
work of obscure artist named mani
discovered in flea market
critics say he copied everything
had no imagination
yet the mani has become popular
among the jet set
they can't get enough of his work
his old emails are selling
some even printed on toilet paper
wipe your ass with mani-mail
the box reads
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take care: Keith
The eye should not be lead where there is nothing to see.
Robert Henri - The Art Spirit
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keith o'connor
danger that my apology comes across as being a touch arrogant. It is the
difference between my knowing proper behaviour and being a humble soul.
Humility is not my strong suit. Unfortunately neither is it yours.
--
take care: Keith
The eye should not be lead where there is nothing to see.
Robert Henri - The Art Spirit
"Mani Deli" <ma...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Mani Deli
>yet the mani has become popular
>among the jet set
>they can't get enough of his work
>
>his old emails are selling
>some even printed on toilet paper
>wipe your ass with mani-mail
>the box reads
Looks Keith can't even afford to wipe his ass.
Bernard Victor
>Century Britain had hundreds of really fine landscape painters whose
>names are well known to collectors and almost unknown to students.
>I've traveled and lived in Europe, lived in NYC and have probably seen
>more originals than you have.
as I am probably older than you, and have been visiting galleries for
the last 60 years. In fact one of the best galleries in London, the
Dulwich Gallery is just up the road from me. Pretty good collection of
painters up to the 18th century. No 'modern' painters !