Opinion wanted
Marcel Brekelmans
do to you: do you find them attractive or...
Please have a look at www.marcel-art.com
Thank you very much!
Ponderable
>I would be very grateful for your opinion on what my style of drawings
>do to you: do you find them attractive or...
>Please have a look at www.marcel-art.com
I got your homepage open, but could go no further. (The buttons didn't work.)
Tim
Marcel Brekelmans
'selected' and 'pushed down' state) don't load proper and the result is a
Javascript error or something like that. Unfortunately, there aren't many
webspace providers that give the amount of space I need ánd are accessible
enough. One day, when I'm rich, I'll buy my own server :) Anyway, thanks for
trying, I'm too shy to dare ask you to try again, someday...
John Moore
I'd be interested in what mediums all the drawings were done in.
You can get free web space with no banners (6 MB) at cybercities, but they
also have slow servers. FTP transfers are a major pain. Also, some ISP's
offer free web space as part of the package for internet service.
Marcel Brekelmans <marcel.b...@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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Marcel Brekelmans
damned computers to do their job properly (knock on wood).
Almost every drawing is made with good-old ballpoint! However, right now I'm
trying to expand my horizon, because I'm getting a little bit tired with the
limited possibilities of only red/green/blue/black. I'd like to use different
shades of blue, for example. On the other hand, I've always been working with
these 4 basic colours and they seem like something very essential for me. And
more is not always better. We'll see...
Brother Alphabet
Marcel Brekelmans wrote:
> I would be very grateful for your opinion on what my style of drawings
> do to you: do you find them attractive or...
> Please have a look at www.marcel-art.com
Marcel,
First, I suppose I should say something "good". I believe that an honest
critique in itself is inherently "good" but some of the more sensitive
elements about might feel that to rip through your work with
fine-toothed negativity was "bad" or something.
So, I will tell you that I think the work I have seen on your pages is a
fine example of texture-study. You should, by now, be familiar with your
media and as a result you should be prepared to do actual serious
artwork if you choose to do so in the future.
That said, the drawings aren't very good. In fact, most of them are
terrible. They seem to me to be the sorts of things that begin as
doodles one makes while talking on the phone, which in itself is a
useful automatic process, but end. End. Somewhere in the middle, or take
a harsh turn to the left or right, whichever direction ineptitude lies.
Why?
A number of reasons, really. We can complete the discussion with the
very mention of *composition*. Your eye for composition here is horrible
to the point of headache. Have you never looked at examples of good
composition? Do you think they made those rules up just to seem
intellectual? Of course, many rules were made to be broken, but you do
not break those rules for effect, you utterly deny those rules due to
sheer ignorance or lack of real ability. You will have to study
composition and do more work to prove which is the case.
Color scheme. Perhaps your supplies are limited to what you are able to
pilfer from the office. Perhaps there are no art supply stores in your
area. Perhaps you live in a universe in which only red green and blue
markers exist instead of the millions of colors we have in this
universe. Who knows. In any event, these colors alone are great. These
colors on a shirt are OK, too. These colors together in an artwork,
against a stark white background, are awful.
I don't even want to think about the fluorescents and pinks in your
"early work" section.
If you want to learn to draw, take an apple and a lamp, your pad and a
pencil with you into a dim room. Place the apple on a table, point the
lamp at the apple, turn the lamp on, draw. Draw what you see until you
have a thick painful callus formation on your fingers. The next day,
swap the apple for some other object and do it again. Then, do it again.
Then, after that, do it again. Do it again. Do it again. Then, after
that, do it again.
Meanwhile, as you are letting your hand uncramp, look at examples of
good drawing, good composition, and so on. Then, go back in and draw
some more and more and more.
I am not saying that you must be a "representational" artist. I am
saying that to master unreality you must first master the ordinary.
Abstraction is not just random marking. You have to depart from
something before you can arrive at something else. The apple is not the
apple, the apple is an object in space that you must first embrace and
THEN destroy.
Anybody can doodle about. I'd much rather see a little kid's honest
work, than an adult's bullshit. The adult must work to regain the art of
childhood. You have done no work. You have skipped steps and made poor
excuses.
Sincerely,
Hutto
Kay
:Marcel Brekelmans wrote:
: I would be very grateful for your opinion on what my style of drawings
: do to you: do you find them attractive or...
: Please have a look at www.marcel-art.com
:
Marcel,
shows the strongest of the "recent works". Most are very OpArt. You state
you do them as a hobby so don't take the critiques here too seriously, just
have fun. I don't know what you mean by "do you find them attractive"?
Most art I love is certainly not attractive to me...
You are fortunate to live in Barcelona!
Kay
Brother Alphabet
John Frum wrote:
> Why not, it worked for Cy Twombley and Jean Michel Basquiat. Perhaps
> we could call these "basquiat-weavings", tben perhaps Saatchi and friends
> will buy them and get the taxpayers all in a bluster again.
Ack. Saatchi won't buy it unless there's a turd attached, or maybe a
dead thing, or some Tracey Emin undies. If I ever get really really
really rich, I plan to buy up as many Basquiat paintings as I can get,
and I shall set fire to them all.
Hutto
John Moore
That "critique" made my whole body hurt. Do you have to call the guy a
thief? Maybe he bought his pens at an art supply shop. Ball point pens are
honest to goodness "art-supplies". They even sell them at Pearls.
I wish Brother Alphabet would spell out just a few of these "rules" for
composition. The only really obvious thing I could see in those compositions
is that the forms don't always break the edge of the picture plane-
beginning drawing teachers will almost always point that out, but nobody
considers it a rule. What rules do you mean?
Before you set out to learn how to draw, think about what you want to learn
to be. If you want to learn to be a frustrated artist, do like this guy
says: Draw in dim light until you go blind. Repeat yourself over and over in
the most bull-headed way possible. Don't let those thick painful callus
formations and hand cramps stop at your arms, let them infect your whole
being. You'll know you're bearing fruit when you begin to hate anything and
everything that's different from what you do.
I've harped on this before, and I'll harp on it again. Art on the Web is not
the same thing as Art in a Museum. When you visit an artists site,
especially with home pages, you cannot assume that what you're seeing is a
showcase of the artists major works. What you're seeing is a sample. As time
goes on you'll probably see alot more of the kind of things that wouldn't be
considered "serious" in a Museum setting. That's the nature of the medium.
It isn't fair to question the artists commitment just because the works
don't meet your expectations of so-called "serious" art.
--
John Moore
The Open Sketch Book
http://home.earthlink.net/~johnmoore100/
"Brother Alphabet" <ja...@ra.msstate.edu> wrote in message
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>
> Marcel Brekelmans wrote:
> > I would be very grateful for your opinion on what my style of drawings
> > do to you: do you find them attractive or...
> > Please have a look at www.marcel-art.com
>
> Marcel,
>
Tomi Holmberg
--
Art Suxors!!
www.sci.fi/~tomppa1
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Before you buy.
Alison A Raimes
>Yeesh,
>That "critique" made my whole body hurt. Do you have to call the guy a
>thief? Maybe he bought his pens at an art supply shop. Ball point pens are
>honest to goodness "art-supplies". They even sell them at Pearls.
>I wish Brother Alphabet would spell out just a few of these "rules" for
>composition. The only really obvious thing I could see in those compositions
>is that the forms don't always break the edge of the picture plane-
>beginning drawing teachers will almost always point that out, but nobody
>considers it a rule. What rules do you mean?
Jason Hutto should become a teacher - he fits neatly into the *those
that can do, those that can't teach* category. Perfect text book
examples of what *should* be done to become a great artist passed onto
him courtesy of Mississippi State University by one of their self
declared failures.
Alison
ali...@raimes.demon.co.uk
http://www.raimes.demon.co.uk
Tomi Holmberg
but my dejanews was "timed out" to send it.. anyway, fuck, i'm too
drunk to do it again...
another one is hotmail,,, you wrote a long letter and whoop's... then,
all is gone...
John Moore
was in school it was all very political, divided between modernist and
traditionalist camps. The method was always the same- put down the other
side in order to make my own side appear superior. That made it easier for
me to appreciate artists like Richard Prince and Sherry Levine who seemed to
be laughing at all that.
--
John Moore
The Open Sketch Book
http://home.earthlink.net/~johnmoore100/
"Alison A Raimes" <ali...@see.signature.for.address> wrote in message
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> In article <83eoqd$kdp$1...@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, John Moore
> <johnmo...@earthlink.net> writes
> >Yeesh,
> >That "critique" made my whole body hurt. Do you have to call the guy a
> >thief? Maybe he bought his pens at an art supply shop. Ball point pens
are
> >honest to goodness "art-supplies". They even sell them at Pearls.
> >I wish Brother Alphabet would spell out just a few of these "rules" for
> >composition. The only really obvious thing I could see in those
compositions
> >is that the forms don't always break the edge of the picture plane-
> >beginning drawing teachers will almost always point that out, but nobody
> >considers it a rule. What rules do you mean?
>
John Moore
body of your message before the server times out
--
John Moore
The Open Sketch Book
http://home.earthlink.net/~johnmoore100/
"Tomi Holmberg" <tomi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> sorry people, i wrote a long essay why marcel's art was in right place
> but my dejanews was "timed out" to send it.. anyway, fuck, i'm too
> drunk to do it again...
>
>
> another one is hotmail,,, you wrote a long letter and whoop's... then,
> all is gone...
>
>
Erik A. Mattila
what you wrote! Life is just not fair!
After struggling with Dejanews for a while, I switched over to Netscape
News. It has been pretty trouble free for me, but you can't search out
threads that go back for months. Little sacrifice, in my opinion.
Erik Mattila
Tomi Holmberg wrote:
> sorry people, i wrote a long essay why marcel's art was in right place
> but my dejanews was "timed out" to send it.. anyway, fuck, i'm too
> drunk to do it again...
>
> another one is hotmail,,, you wrote a long letter and whoop's... then,
> all is gone...
>