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Lester_John

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Jun 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/24/98
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Hi,

I need some advice with a small project I am doing.
A few friends and I are painting a copy of Van Gogh's Sunflowers
as a present for another friend. To allow everyone a chance to
participate, we've adopted a structured approach to completing the
painting.ie.

1. a pencil sketch of the Sunflowers ... completed
2. using a photocopier to enlarge this sketch to the size
of the canvas (ie 25*35cm) .......... completed
3. Transferring the outline of this enlarged sketch onto
the canvas
4. Now, getting different people to (oil)paint on the canvas,
using the outline as a guide, to ensure some similarity
between the sketch and the final product.

I'm having a problem with stage 3. I tried painting an outline on a
'mirrored' copy and then rubbing that outline onto the canvas. The oil
paint dried to quickly in patches, and it made a real mess.

Then I tried using 'turps' to tranfer the photocopy onto the canvas,
but this was an even bigger mess with balck ink all over the canvas.

Is there any way I can transfer this properly ? Something like an
oil paint 'carbon paper' ? Maybe using oil pastels to create a 'carbon
paper' type tranfer page ??

Lester

martin adler

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Jun 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/24/98
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On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Lester_John wrote:

> Hi,

hi,

> 3. Transferring the outline of this enlarged sketch onto
> the canvas

> I'm having a problem with stage 3. I tried painting an outline on a
>

> Is there any way I can transfer this properly ? Something like an
> oil paint 'carbon paper' ? Maybe using oil pastels to create a 'carbon
> paper' type tranfer page ??

I would simply try a soft lead pencil

martin

SanDe Nitti

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Jun 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/24/98
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Hi Lester,

The best way to transfer a sketch unto a canvas is to use an opaque
projector. You can find them for fairly reasonable prices at Art Supply
mail order houses, such as Cheap Joes' or Jerry's. You'll probably have
to reduce the sketch so it will fit in its entirety in the postcard size
active area of the projector. so you can project the entire image onto
the canvas. By moving the camera or easel you can adjust the size. This
is the most accurate and effective way I know of anyway.

Hope this helps,

Sande
http://www.concentric.net/~Akeshara
Brush Painting in the Oriental Manner


Norman Strand~

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Jun 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/24/98
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try taking a 35mm camera and that a photograph of the outline on slide film then
take a slide projector and project the slide on to the canvas. then go over the
outline with a pencil. Also take a tape measure and measure the distance the
slide projector is from the canvas, so that if you mess up the outline it will
be easy to set up the projector again. Oh horrors using a slide projector, I
must not be holding my mouth right to be an artist.

Another trick is to turn the canvas upside down anf the drawing upside down and
copy the shape onto the canvas. It is a trick in the Betty Edwards book
_Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain_.

Norman Strand
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Alfred Glass

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Jun 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/24/98
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martin adler <kap...@uni-tuebingen.de> wrote:
>
>
>On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Lester_John wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>
>hi,
>
>> 3. Transferring the outline of this enlarged sketch onto
>> the canvas
>
>> I'm having a problem with stage 3. I tried painting an outline on a
>>
>> Is there any way I can transfer this properly ? Something like an
>> oil paint 'carbon paper' ? Maybe using oil pastels to create a 'carbon
>> paper' type tranfer page ??
>
>I would simply try a soft lead pencil
>martin
Agreed. Soft graphite should do the trick.

If you want to get dancey, you could take a slide (photograph) of the
drawing and project it at the canvas, and then re-trace the outline.

Steve G


rp

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Jun 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/25/98
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One old approach:
Get a tracing wheel ( often called a pouncing wheel ) from a sewing
supply store. Run the wheel which has little sharp barbs on it over
the lines int the drawing, making a series of tiny holes that outline
the shapes. Tape the drawing right side up over the canvas. Apply
powdered charcoal to the surface of the drawing. The traditional
method uses a loosely woven cloth bag filled with charcoal powder that
is then whapped all over the drawing, but I've done the process using
soft vine charcoal. Trace over the holes with the vine charcoal or
punce with the dust and remove the drawing. you should get a faint but
accurate transfer of the image. If the tiny bit of black charcoal bugs
you, spray the piece with a very small amount of synthetic varnish
which should hold things nicely in place..

Lester_John

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Jun 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/25/98
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Hi,

Thanks for all the advice :-)

I tried using carbon paper yesterday, and it worked quite well.
The tracing wheel and slide/transparency options also seem
quite useful.
Don't know if it (ie carbon paper) would be compatible with oil paint
though ?

Regards,
Lester

Melissabr

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Jul 1, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/1/98
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The simplest, cheapest way to transfer your sketch to the canvas is to rub
pencil over the back of your photocopy, place the copy right side up on top of
your canvas, and retrace the line. You are effectively making your own carbon
paper. You don't need all the other bells and whistles, especially for a one-up
job. Good luck.

Marilyn

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Jul 2, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/2/98
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Why would you want to ? Draw directly on the canvas for immediacy and
spontenaity.

Marilyn

kag...@ecr.net

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Jul 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/3/98
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I agree. Draw directly on the canvas. I usually don't put in a lot
of detail, just general shapes and layout. At times I block the
layout in with a very thin paint.

k


On Thu, 02 Jul 1998 10:50:34 -0700, Marilyn <anti...@islands.net>
wrote:

Alfred Glass

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Jul 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/3/98
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Ah, but see the original post was from a guy wanting to COPY "sunflowers"
hence, spontaneity not req'd.. hence artistic licence minimal..

Steve G


tok...@iti2.net

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Jul 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/3/98
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In article <359c2264....@news.ecr.net>,

kag...@ecr.net wrote:
>
> I agree. Draw directly on the canvas.
> On Thu, 02 Jul 1998 10:50:34 -0700, Marilyn <anti...@islands.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Melissabr wrote:
> >>
> >> The simplest, cheapest way to transfer your sketch to the canvas is to rub
the right side up on top of
> >> your carbon
> >> bells and whistlefor a one-up
> >> job. Good luck.
> >
> >
> >
Personally, I use a hot glue etchasketch.


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Marilyn

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Jul 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/3/98
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Alfred Glass wrote:
>
> kag...@ecr.net wrote:
> >I agree. Draw directly on the canvas. I usually don't put in a lot
> >of detail, just general shapes and layout. At times I block the
> >layout in with a very thin paint.
> >
> >k
> >
> >
> >On Thu, 02 Jul 1998 10:50:34 -0700, Marilyn <anti...@islands.net>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>Melissabr wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The simplest, cheapest way to transfer your sketch to the canvas is to rub
> >>> pencil over the back of your photocopy, place the copy right side up on top of
> >>> your canvas, and retrace the line. You are effectively making your own carbon
> >>> paper. You don't need all the other bells and whistles, especially for a one-up
> >>> job. Good luck.
> >>
> >>

> >>Why would you want to ? Draw directly on the canvas for immediacy and
> >>spontenaity.
> >>
> >>Marilyn
> >
>
> Ah, but see the original post was from a guy wanting to COPY "sunflowers"
> hence, spontaneity not req'd.. hence artistic licence minimal..
>
> Steve G

I didn't read the original post, I've been out gardening.

However, if anyone wants to learn how to make fakes I highly recommend
the movie now on video
"Framed" 1990 with Jeff Goldbloom.
It shows graphically how to take the slides transpose them onto canvas,
use photographs for the colours etc.
In fact Jeff Goldbloom makes fakes of his fakes.
It is also a funny movie and
Jeff Goldbloom is easy to look at.

Marilyn

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