Painting with acrylics

[10ft...@talk21.com]

Hi

I've recently started painting with acrylics on canvas, the piece im
working on now still has some of the pencil sketch visible after
painting.

Is it okay to simply wash of the pencil lightly with a bit of soap and
water or will will it damage the painting?

Any tips please?

Cheers

[NightMist]

If it is under the paint it is there forever.

If you are going to sketch directly onto your ground, you are either
going to have to make sure that the pencil marks will be covered by an
opaque paint layer, use a pencil color that will blend with the paint
to come, sketch with paint, or use charcol, a soft pastel , or a
drawing crayon that will blur and blend with the paint (in appropriate
colors of course).

Barbara

--
"To repeat what others have said, requires education; to challenge
it, requires brains." -Mary Pettibone Poole

[10ft...@talk21.com]

Thanks for your advice. I will take on board next time for sure.

The pencil marks aren't under paint, i guess i'll try a small area
first with some water.

Thanks again

[david]

never use a pencil to do your layout. do a sketch on paper and then use
a paint brush and paint to do your layout on the ground. hey presto all
problems go away. never pencil on the ground its ammeter stuff.

[NightMist]

I use pencil or graphite paper directly on my grounds sometimes.
I also <horror> use an eraser when I am drawing <horror>.

Does this mean I have to give all the money back?

Barbara

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:06:05 GMT, david <rick...@ntlworld.com>
wrote:

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[Paul Mesken]

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:55:56 GMT, nigh...@uir.zzn.com (NightMist)
wrote:

>I use pencil or graphite paper directly on my grounds sometimes.
>I also <horror> use an eraser when I am drawing <horror>.

I use penil as well on my grounds. I erase it before I paint (leaving
a vague trace).

But still....

We better face the facts, we're doomed! ;-)

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I have had nothing but problems using pencil with acrylics. Now I use
permanent markers, but only black. It is not dissolved when I paint
over it, so it does not smudge and discolor the overpaint.
Once I tried a red marker, but it dissolved and changed the color.
I had to brush a coat of matte medium over the whole picture to bind
the red marker and lock it up. Then I could paint over it.
If you already have pencil on your painting you are going to have
some trouble to obscure it, by painting over and over it, or as I did,
try the matte medium trick.

the sarp

[david]

if you want that look that's a different thing. you guys make me laugh.

Biljo White wrote:

> Once acrylic paint dries it is impervious to water, soap and water, and
> most cleaners.

[NightMist]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:36:37 +0100, Paul Mesken <usu...@euronet.nl>
wrote:

>On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:55:56 GMT, nigh...@uir.zzn.com (NightMist)
>wrote:
>
>>I use pencil or graphite paper directly on my grounds sometimes.
>>I also <horror> use an eraser when I am drawing <horror>.
>
>I use penil as well on my grounds. I erase it before I paint (leaving
>a vague trace).
>
>But still....
>
>We better face the facts, we're doomed! ;-)
>

I AM the typo queeen, but damn Paul!

The images this one brought to mind......

Barbara

[the_...@yahoo.com]

If he paints over it with an opaque layer, that defeats the purpose of
the pencil outline, which is to be a guide. Secondly, the fixtative
layer may have to be coated with a layer of matte medium, since acrylic
paint can sometimes fail to stick to gloss medium or other surfaces.
the sarp

[keith o'connor]

the problem is in the approach:
highly detailed drawing painstakingly filled as in a colouring book or
paint by numbers approach. traditionally artists developed a drawing skill
that allowed them to work in layers of refinement. a broad general mapping
of masses can be done with a pencil or better still a brush - acrylic dries
quickly - then the next layer of refinement - draw with colour - this method
is more creative and less mechanically oriented

leaving parts of the sketch underdeveloped is an approach which leaves the
viewer with the knowledge that this painting is a construct and not a mirror
of nature - these are ideas that you may not be ready to consider but i put
them out so that you are aware of alternative approaches - the choice is
always yours - but in my opinion you should have the knowledge that allows
you to make the stylistic choice.

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take care: Keith

www.tinmangallery.com

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[Paul Mesken]

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:37:08 -0500, "keith o'connor"
<ke...@tinmangallery.com> wrote:

>leaving parts of the sketch underdeveloped is an approach which leaves the
>viewer with the knowledge that this painting is a construct and not a mirror
>of nature

Yes, not only that but varying the level of detail on purpose for
different areas also guides the focus of the viewer. When done right
it will even look better than a photo of the same scene. It will be
more explicit and more dynamic.

A painter can do this thing much more selectively and more elaborately
than a photographer (who can only focus on one area).

[Mani Deli]

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:37:08 -0500, "keith o'connor"
<ke...@tinmangallery.com> wrote:

>the problem is in the approach:
>highly detailed drawing painstakingly filled as in a colouring book or
>paint by numbers approach. traditionally artists developed a drawing skill
>that allowed them to work in layers of refinement. a broad general mapping
>of masses can be done with a pencil or better still a brush - acrylic dries
>quickly - then the next layer of refinement - draw with colour - this method
>is more creative and less mechanically oriented
>
>leaving parts of the sketch underdeveloped is an approach which leaves the
>viewer with the knowledge that this painting is a construct and not a mirror
>of nature - these are ideas that you may not be ready to consider but i put
>them out so that you are aware of alternative approaches - the choice is
>always yours - but in my opinion you should have the knowledge that allows
>you to make the stylistic choice.
>
>--
>
>
>take care: Keith
>
>www.tinmangallery.com

Take a good look at the crap this sort of babble produces.

[keith o'connor]

mani: i used to think that you had an honest difference of opinion overlaid
with anger at not being as recognised by the art establishment as you would
have liked to have been recognised - that may be a contributing factor
towards your negative and hostile attitude -

it would be far more helpful if you provided concrete stimulus to the
discussion other than comments like "crap; babble" - you're not a rebellious
teenager mani so that is not an excuse - you have a great deal of knowledge
but you are incapable of communicating in a meaningful manner - are you
concerned that if you clearly expressed your ideas that they would be
challenged and then they may have to be revised - and - any revision of your
ideas would imply that you have been conducting yourself in error for a long
period of time.

the advantage of youth is that they can more easily change direction - they
don't have decades invested in their ideas - but you can adapt - don't
worry - there is only the moment and the moment is zen.
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take care: Keith

www.tinmangallery.com

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