how to draw on acrylic painting
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The same is true of ball point pen.
Almost all felt tips will bleed through acrylic layers. The only felt
tip marker I have found that does not bleed through is black and it
requires coat after coat of white paint to cover it.
The reason drawing and marking is necessary is to establish precise
outlines and boundaries for composition. You cannot use a paintbrush
along a straight edge ruler.
I would be interested in knowing anything that can be used to draw
directly on acrylic that will neither smear nor bleed through.
sarp
NightMist
<the_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Use whatever you feel is most appropriate to the type of drawing you
need underneath, and then spray it with fixatif.
Even an atomizer full of skim milk will work just fine for this so
long as you let it dry completely.
Matter of fact I prefer milk to the fancier or more expensive stuff
for this application.
Barbara
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> On 9 Feb 2007 00:09:27 -0800, "the_s...@yahoo.com"
>
> Use whatever you feel is most appropriate to the type of drawing you
> need underneath, and then spray it with fixatif.
> Even an atomizer full of skim milk will work just fine for this so
> long as you let it dry completely.
>
> Matter of fact I prefer milk to the fancier or more expensive stuff
> for this application.
>
> Barbara
1. You are sure the felt tip will not bleed through the fixative?
Then up through the acrylic layers up onto the surface of the
painting?
2. You are sure the fixative will not smear and dissolve the felt tip
drawing or other drawing medium?
3. What fixative besides skim milk would acrylic paint adhere to? You
cannot use acrylic paint over glossy medium/varnish.
sarp
the_...@yahoo.com
> Do your drawing, then spray it with fixative. This seals the pencil or ink
> and you can paint right over it. Acrylics, particularly some colors, are
> quite transparent, so you'll still have to use more than one coat if you
> want the drawing to disappear completely. On the other hand, you have
> complete control over how much of the drawing you want to remain.
What type of fixative do you recommend?
sarp
NightMist
<the_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Feb 9, 11:34 am, nightmi...@gmail.com (NightMist) wrote:
>> On 9 Feb 2007 00:09:27 -0800, "the_s...@yahoo.com"
>>
>> Use whatever you feel is most appropriate to the type of drawing you
>> need underneath, and then spray it with fixatif.
>> Even an atomizer full of skim milk will work just fine for this so
>> long as you let it dry completely.
>>
>> Matter of fact I prefer milk to the fancier or more expensive stuff
>> for this application.
>>
>> Barbara
>
>1. You are sure the felt tip will not bleed through the fixative?
>Then up through the acrylic layers up onto the surface of the
>painting?
OK I admit felt tip was not an option that even occured to me.
I suppose those felt tip technical pens might be a pretty good choice
for an underdrawing though. However the ink on those does not migrate
much so far as I have seen. I use Sakura pigma pens for textile work
and they stay no matter what I do afterwards, hot or cold process dye,
acid or alkaline process, hot wax, or any number of chemicals I may
use, the pigma pens stay put, stay permanent through washing, and do
not bleed.
>
>2. You are sure the fixative will not smear and dissolve the felt tip
>drawing or other drawing medium?
I haven't used felt tip, but I have had no problems with graphite,
charcol, chalk, conte, or other drawing crayons. I haven't ever used
ink because I have never had a reason to use ink.
You have to be sure to mist the drawing not spray it. If you mist it
so that the fixitif falls gently onto the drawing media, instead of
blasting it with a pressurized spray, then if the drawing media
disolves it is no big deal because it doesn't get pushed across the
surface. It stays where it is, and it is trapped in the fixatif. One
of the many reasons a goodly number of people prefer to use more than
one coat of fixatif for an underdrawing, just to have a coat over the
first coat that may have melded with the drawing.
>
>3. What fixative besides skim milk would acrylic paint adhere to? You
>cannot use acrylic paint over glossy medium/varnish.
>
Actually you can if you varnish the finished painting, or you are not
useing a mirror smooth ground. BTDT no problems so far.
I wouldn't use anything oil based because those take an age to dry.
Other than that acrylic is pretty forgiving of what it goes on top of.
If you are very worried about migration, I would hit the drawing with
the fixatif of your choice, lay on some gel medium, and then hit it
with an acrylic spray, and plan to varnish the finished painting. If
you are terribly worried about the ground being too smooth, mix
something that will add texture into the gel medium. Bear in mind
that the original layer of fixatif is just a light one to lay the
drawing medium and keep it from running around. The second coats are
isolation coats intended to confine the drawing medium to its layer
over time.
I prefer a rigid surface to paint on and often use wood. I generally
prep the living hell out of my panels haveing had at least one bad
experience in the past with discoloration of a finished painting due
to stuff leeching out of the wood over time. Sealer-gel-sealer works,
it may be over the top, but if it works I don't care.
the_...@yahoo.com
> On 9 Feb 2007 21:26:22 -0800, "the_s...@yahoo.com"
>
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Can you tell me what BTDT means?
Is this a brand of varnish?
sarp
CB
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> Can you tell me what BTDT means?
>
> Is this a brand of varnish?
>
> sarp
It's just short for "been there, done that"
CB
NightMist
Dennis
Use charcoal. It won't harm the painting and brushes off easily with a
wet paper towel.
Dennis
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But won't charcoal become incorporated into the acrylic paint when you
paint on it? leaving a black smudge?
sarp
Dan Druff
says...
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>All of these drawing media leave smudges.
And this jerk who goes by "Sarp" leaves smudges
every time he posts his assinine questions. You
guys don't seem to have caught on yet, but I
tried being helpful until he showed his true
colors by slamming me personally. He's your
classic TROLL - and I'm waiting for the time
he asks for help wiping his ass or blowing his
snotty nose.
the_...@yahoo.com
Some artists like the smudge as a stylistic effect.
> Experiment to find the best way for your work.
smudges for stylistic effect.... interesting
I would like to see that.
are there any examples on the web?
sarp