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Herbert Ward

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Mar 8, 2004, 11:43:10 AM3/8/04
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I found the acrylic color shift to be unmanageable. The face in my
painting has blotches and patches, from trying to match wet color to
dry color.

The book on acrylics that I bought, full of acrylic's glory, doesn't
mention this major problem at all. Amazing.

So, I'm looking for a different medium -- one that does not
color-shift, and can be cleaned with soap and/or water. Suggestions?

I live in a poorly ventilated one-room house (ie, I have to sleep and
eat with the drying painting) -- does this prohibit me from using
oils?

I wish there were a big table, with types of paints down the left
side, and pros/cons along the top, like below, but, of course, more
complete.

toxicity color-shift drying time thinning-agent

oils some small 4-20 days turpentine

acrylics none serious 1-5 hours water

alkyds blah blah blah blah

egg tempera blah blah blah blah

keith o'connor

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Mar 8, 2004, 12:03:20 PM3/8/04
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I have started using water mixable oil - WN: Artisan brand - Grum: Max
brand.

Don't add water to your mixes or you will have a colour-shift wet dry
problem but, you can use water for cleaning : I use methyl hydrate for
cleaning - also use it for acrylics

Go to their web site for more info.

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Flobby Bischer

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Mar 8, 2004, 1:04:39 PM3/8/04
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1.) watercolor or dry pastel without fixative will give you no color shift.

2.) many recommend you don't work with oils in an enclosed environment. But
oils have a color shift too you know.

VERY IMPORTANT:
If you do work in your living area with oils DO NOT use any sort of Lead
white or any sort of solvent. Thin with linseed oil and wash up with baby
oil and dish soap.

WOW I like your idea about the paints and a list, very interesting....

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Flobby Bischer

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Mar 8, 2004, 1:05:57 PM3/8/04
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However i want also to point out that you can get used to the color shift
pretty quickly. They dry about a step (vague indication for sure) darker.

If matching a color you have to let it dry first then compare....

A blow dryer works wonders at speeding up this drying process.

Lastly DO NOT use dry pastels in your living area.


Dilettante

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Mar 9, 2004, 2:47:48 AM3/9/04
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wa...@physics.utexas.edu (Herbert Ward) wrote in message news:<16ce5857.04030...@posting.google.com>...

> I found the acrylic color shift to be unmanageable. The face in my
> painting has blotches and patches, from trying to match wet color to
> dry color.

The solution is to make colour patches on little strips of paper and
put these against your painting. You are trying to go too fast. There
is no fast way to do it.


> I live in a poorly ventilated one-room house (ie, I have to sleep and
> eat with the drying painting) -- does this prohibit me from using
> oils?

This is why you should stick with acrylics. The materials you use with
oils smell tremendously and can be toxic if breathed too long, like
turpentine.

toxicity color-shift drying time thinning-agent

> acrylics none serious 1-5 hours water

Acrylics do have toxicity, for example anything with cadmium, or
titanium in it should not be in prolonged contact with the skin. Check
the chemicals with which a pigment is made, then look it up on the
web.

D.

Bernard Victor

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Mar 22, 2004, 11:05:44 AM3/22/04
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On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 17:03:20 GMT, "keith o'connor"
<ke...@tinmangallery.com> wrote:

>I have started using water mixable oil - WN: Artisan brand - Grum: Max
>brand.
>
>Don't add water to your mixes or you will have a colour-shift wet dry
>problem but, you can use water for cleaning : I use methyl hydrate for
>cleaning - also use it for acrylics
>
>Go to their web site for more info.

I'd agree with this. You will however have to get use to the much
slower drying times, though these can be shortened. Excellent book on
using water soluble oils 'Painting with Water Soluble Oils' by Sean
Dye (North Light Books).

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