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is art always representational or mimicky?

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meat n potatoes

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Apr 18, 2004, 7:07:04 PM4/18/04
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didn't plato say that art is about mimicking reality? isn't this what
art is no matter what?

think about it. ever since animals gained consciousness, they
developed memory. consciousness perceives reality and memory records
it. so even animals go thru a mental process of mimickry.

a gorilla sees a banana. later, even when the banana isn't there he
holds the image of the banana in his gorilla head. his brain has
imprinted or painted the image of banana inside the corridors of his
neuronic skull. that must be the first development in the rise of
art.

then came man who also had these faculties but with greater memory and
greater skill with tools. so while a gorilla saw a pretty gorilla and
held the image of the ho'rilla in his head, man, upon seeing a pretty
cave woman decided to replicate this image back onto reality. in
other words, his brain had already painted an image of the cave bimbo
in his head, but he beheld this image dearly and decided to replicate
in physical reality what his brain had done in the neuronic world. he
realizes that his hands can take the image in his head and roughly
replicate the image in reality, grafting it on stone, wood, canvas,
etc.

so in fact, all conscious animals whose minds are capable of being
imprinted with images and sounds of reality are private artists. we
all see a purty girl and our brain paints that image in our head. we
recall that picture in our artgallery of the brain. fine art, then, is
merely the final process where we try to take the image in our head
and objectify it in physical reality so that our private art gallery
inside the head can be made manifest for others to see and admire.

so plato was right.

now, what about abstract art? well, they do represent state of minds,
moods, idea, etc. for example, if someone paints something blue, even
though it may not be anything specific, it can convey a sense of inner
calm.

or a crazed image represents a man's tormented soul or his lively and
playful emotions and personality.

and something totally far out represents man's delusional attempt to
be nonrepresentational. art can't do nothing but represent
something--some object, emotion, thought, or delusion.

John Jones

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Apr 18, 2004, 8:16:28 PM4/18/04
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gorilla like banana
gorilla see banana
gorilla take banana

meat n potatoes

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Apr 19, 2004, 2:18:03 AM4/19/04
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"John Jones" <jivers...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:<c5v5op$o7b$1...@titan.btinternet.com>...

> gorilla like banana
> gorilla see banana
> gorilla take banana

gayrilla take banana up hairy arse

Jonsmind

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Apr 19, 2004, 6:20:10 AM4/19/04
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>>a gorilla sees a banana. later, even when the banana isn't there he
holds the image of the banana in his gorilla head. his brain has
imprinted or painted the image of banana inside the corridors of his
neuronic skull. that must be the first development in the rise of
art.

There's an exhibit of banana paintings done in feces, by reknown
simian artist, Koko, now at the Brooklyn Museum of Art.

Gorne

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Apr 19, 2004, 10:01:34 AM4/19/04
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"John Jones" <jivers...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:<c5v5op$o7b$1...@titan.btinternet.com>...
> gorilla like banana
> gorilla see banana
> gorilla take banana

Are you refering to a Security Guard, better known as a mercenary,
fighting for capitalism in Iraq?

Gorne

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Apr 19, 2004, 10:14:20 AM4/19/04
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bagelncr...@hotmail.com (meat n potatoes) wrote
>
> think about it. ever since animals gained consciousness, they
> developed memory. consciousness perceives reality and memory records
> it. so even animals go thru a mental process of mimickry.
>
> a gorilla sees a banana. later, even when the banana isn't there he
> holds the image of the banana in his gorilla head. his brain has
> imprinted or painted the image of banana inside the corridors of his
> neuronic skull. that must be the first development in the rise of
> art.

Gorilla are not known as artistic in the wild. Some birds for instance
build architectural monument to transmit to other bird that they have
a hard on.
But this is a bit primitive compare to human being.
Human being have past the banana stage at least 50000 years ago. In
their neuronic skull they developed a theory that representing animal
would have some influence on the animal itself.
To day we came to believe that the only animal art influence is
another human being. But what is remarkable is how the means of
expression is still the same as it was 50000 years ago, in many way at
least.

Tony Spadaro

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Apr 19, 2004, 12:30:51 PM4/19/04
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Your mind is a banana made of feces, you crossposting idiot.

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meat n potatoes

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Apr 19, 2004, 4:03:17 PM4/19/04
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Mani Deli

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Apr 19, 2004, 5:41:49 PM4/19/04
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(Jonsmind) wrote:

>There's an exhibit of banana paintings done in feces, by reknown
>simian artist, Koko, now at the Brooklyn Museum of Art.

I definitely believe that there should be a monkey section in the
MOMA and all art students should be required to study monkey and of
course elephant art in order to get a degree like some of the inmates
here.

I previously suggested that Fox give a course in how to get the best
artwork out of a chimpanzee. This should give all serious avant garde
students the post modern experience necessary to reach Fox's level of
incompetence.


No skill no art!

Tired of Modern Art? check http://www3.sympatico.ca/manideli/

Jonsmind

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Apr 19, 2004, 7:49:25 PM4/19/04
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"one might almost say iconic, statementalism to forge a new
visionistic visage in the vacillliating virtual vacuum of venal
viability?"

Virtual Vacuum? Like your brain? Actually in your case, one needs to
switch the 2 around, actual vacuum, and virtual brain. What a whole
lot of pretensious bullshit!

John Jones

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Apr 24, 2004, 12:26:14 AM4/24/04
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Gorilla no like take fun of.
Gorilla go back of hut.
Gorilla shit in stew.
You eat.
Gorilla happy.

JJ

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