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See for yourself why people wrote in my guestbook:
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"Your art is very interesting. Methodical , primitive with a flowing beauty that draws me in. I was surfing the net looking for information in Murano glass and stumbled onto your site. I'm very glad I did. Thank you!"
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Dilettante
> * marcel-art.com *
You have an interesting style but telling people what others have said
is not going to make you a good artist. Make sure your pieces go
somewhere and real energy and movement in them rather than be simply
empty vehicle for technical effects, as the one on the top left is.
D.
keith o'connor
--
take care: Keith
The language of art is not a scientifically accurate language. The language
of art is based upon the application of tendencies and as such creates more
variety of interpretation between people than absolute agreement between
people.
Keith O'Connor
"Marcel Brekelmans" <new...@marcel-art.com> wrote in message
news:2004-02-2...@127.0.0.1...
Flying Naked People
>Is it too much bother to include a hyper-link in your post?
Are you so damn lazy that you can't cut and paste a damn url into your
browser and type a damn http://.www in front of it???
--
"Behind every great man, is a woman telling him what to think."
Tran Chewla
http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm says...
>Are you so damn lazy that you can't cut and paste a damn url into your
>browser and type a damn http://.www in front of it???
If you're using Explorer there's an easier
way. Hold down "ctrl + enter" and the
address in the URL box will automatically
be formatted for you.
Paul Mesken
<http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm> wrote:
>keith o'connor wrote in message ...
>>Is it too much bother to include a hyper-link in your post?
>
>Are you so damn lazy that you can't cut and paste a damn url into your
>browser and type a damn http://.www in front of it???
Ah! Tinman, my good friend...
Behold NerdGerl, you're little more than a worm to her. Never will you
be able to appease her for her raging contempt for you is Eternal.
Don't torment yourself with the question of "why?". Her hatred of you
is irrational and defies explanation.
But I am your friend...
I see your finer qualities, you're a teacher to many here and a
philosopher unearthing deep truths about the human condition which you
so effectively translate into Art, enlightening the audience. Asking
nothing in return, you generously give, and you have so much to offer.
You don't deserve to be treated like this...
I reach out my hand to thee for I will stand beside thee in thy battle
against this Vixen from Hell. Together we shallt cast her backeth into
thee Abyss from which she cameth, backeth to her Dark Lord Nilges, the
tripleth cursedth!
Flying Naked People
Paul Mesken wrote in message <8sr940hompg9he9uv...@4ax.com>...
>I reach out my hand to thee for I will stand beside thee in thy battle
>against this Vixen from Hell. Together we shallt cast her backeth into
>thee Abyss from which she cameth, backeth to her Dark Lord Nilges, the
>tripleth cursedth!
Those who are right -attract- support.
Those who are wrong... well, they have to -ask- for it.
(Or maybe you just want to hold hands with another guy.)
ICK!
Paul Mesken
<http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm> wrote:
>Those who are right -attract- support.
Well, looking at Nilges' and your "Two Person Show" I'm inclined to
agree with you :-)
>(Or maybe you just want to hold hands with another guy.)
Getting jealous NerdGerl?
Flying Naked People
Paul Mesken wrote in message ...
>On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 13:09:53 -0800, "Flying Naked People"
><http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm> wrote:
>
>>Those who are right -attract- support.
>
>Well, looking at Nilges' and your "Two Person Show" I'm inclined to
>agree with you :-)
You have no idea of the amount of support we have. The concept of e-mail
must really elude your dumb ass.
>>(Or maybe you just want to hold hands with another guy.)
>
>Getting jealous NerdGerl?
No. From it's very birth, homosexuality never did a damn thing for me.
Paul Mesken
<http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm> wrote:
>
>Paul Mesken wrote in message ...
>>On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 13:09:53 -0800, "Flying Naked People"
>><http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm> wrote:
>>
>>>Those who are right -attract- support.
>>
>>Well, looking at Nilges' and your "Two Person Show" I'm inclined to
>>agree with you :-)
>
>You have no idea of the amount of support we have. The concept of e-mail
>must really elude your dumb ass.
Ah yes, the age old "the lurkers support me in email" thing :
http://www.bluejo.demon.co.uk/poetry/interstichia/lurkers.htm
With many thanks to Richard Heathfield of comp.programming for
providing this great link.
Flying Naked People
Paul Mesken wrote in message ...
>>You have no idea of the amount of support we have. The concept of e-mail
>>must really elude your dumb ass.
>
>Ah yes, the age old "the lurkers support me in email" thing :
That would have some significance...
...if they were lurkers.
Neil Maxwell
wrote:
Oh, yeah, Heathfield's another guy who EGN is always claiming he
kicked the butt of as he (Edward) hastily retreats from the field of
battle.
I believe we've got a new concept brewed up here: Whoever leaves the
group after a flame war and doesn't come back for a few months is the
winner. There's some validity to that, I suppose.
Well, in any case, their army of supporters is twice the size of
Dil's.
Neil Maxwell - I don't speak for my employer
Flying Naked People
>I believe we've got a new concept brewed up here: Whoever leaves the
>group after a flame war and doesn't come back for a few months is the
>winner. There's some validity to that, I suppose.
>
>Well, in any case, their army of supporters is twice the size of
>Dil's.
U wanna play?
Neil Maxwell
<http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm> wrote:
>
>
>>I believe we've got a new concept brewed up here: Whoever leaves the
>>group after a flame war and doesn't come back for a few months is the
>>winner. There's some validity to that, I suppose.
>>
>>Well, in any case, their army of supporters is twice the size of
>>Dil's.
>
>U wanna play?
U no I love a good brouhaha!
Flying Naked People
A.Lurker
"Paul Mesken" <usu...@euronet.nl> wrote in message
news:m36a40d2pak35matc...@4ax.com...
Ha, how wrong you are. We lurkers are everywhere, at once. And we all write
to Nilges and Nerdgurl every day, sometimes twice, to give them our support,
because Nilges is smarter than sliced bread and Nerdgurl is just so, well,
hmmm, well, easy to understand. Anyway, it's just that right now we are all
busy traveling to Bangkok for the Diddler's latest exposure, errr,
exposition, at the Internet Cafe Shop. But when we get back we'll nail yer
bones, that's for sure, you ole bollen.
A. Lurker
Flying Naked People
(Damn Paul - your team plays with sockpuppets? For shame - They need better
training!!)
A.Lurker wrote in message ...
Erik A. Mattila
Flying Naked People wrote:
> keith o'connor wrote in message ...
>
>>Is it too much bother to include a hyper-link in your post?
>
>
> Are you so damn lazy that you can't cut and paste a damn url into your
> browser and type a damn http://.www in front of it???
Hmmm...you try it, Nerda: http://.www.marcel-art.com
Erik
Chris
"Flying Naked People" <http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm> wrote in
message news:104akof...@corp.supernews.com...
> (Damn Paul - your team plays with sockpuppets? For shame - They need
better
> training!!)
>
Nah, a sock puppet requires a significant attempt to conceal the poster's
identity. The fact that you figured it out rather indicates that wasn't the
case.
Cheers;
Chris
Flying Naked People
(Boy - if this isn't a prime example of why each and every Republican should
be electrified - I don't *What* is!!!)
The fact that I figured it out rather indicates that you need better
training. Your getting caught in your own foolishness does not excuse your
flawed strategy.
Do NOT mention "Nerd Gerl" or "Nerd Gurl" or "Nerdy" or "FNP" again unless
you intend to kiss my ass. (Exemption From The Eternal Brush-Off Not
Guaranteed.)
>Cheers;
>
>Chris
>
>
Flying Naked People
>(Boy - if this isn't a prime example of why each and every Republican
should
>be electrified - I don't *What* is!!!)
Make that, "electrocuted"!!!
BzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzT
Chris
> Chris wrote in message ...
> >
> >"Flying Naked People" <http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm> wrote in
> >message news:104akof...@corp.supernews.com...
> >> (Damn Paul - your team plays with sockpuppets? For shame - They need
> >better
> >> training!!)
> >>
> >
> >Nah, a sock puppet requires a significant attempt to conceal the poster's
> >identity. The fact that you figured it out rather indicates that wasn't
the
> >case.
>
> (Boy - if this isn't a prime example of why each and every Republican
should
> be electrified - I don't *What* is!!!)
>
I'm not too sure what Republicans have to do with this. Is this because your
sweetie Nilges sees himself as the reincarnation of the Old South, which was
(justifiably) crushed by your first Republican president, Lincoln?
OTOH, making allowances for your lack of education, is this because you
think that here in Canada we have the same political parties you do? Usually
by grade four or five most kids are aware that the two countries have quite
different political systems; perhaps you would have down well to at least
get that far in school.
Anyway, advocating the murder of such a large segment of your population is
shocking, to say the least. You do keep coming back to that sort of solution
to your problems. Why?
> The fact that I figured it out rather indicates that you need better
> training. Your getting caught in your own foolishness does not excuse your
> flawed strategy.
>
It's rather funny you can make claims to intelligence given the trouble you
have with even rudimentary geography and your urge to settle differences
through mass murder. But if it keeps you happy, well, I'm pleased; unlike
your buddy Diddler, you don't seem to have any pretensions towards actually
carrying out your fantasies.
Cheers;
Chris
max
<http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm> wrote:
>(Boy - if this isn't a prime example of why each and every Republican should
>be electrified - I don't *What* is!!!)
Ooh. There's that unattractive death-dealing intolerance of other
opinions again. Remind me not to write you in for President. I think
Bush is more tolerant.
>The fact that I figured it out rather indicates that you need better
>training. Your getting caught in your own foolishness does not excuse your
>flawed strategy.
Umm... It was kind'a obvious. "A.Lurker", responding to a post on
lurker support? You can't seriously think someone meant that to be an
honest sock... That's about Dil's level, but he hasn't figured out
the sock thing yet.
max
Flying Naked People
Chris wrote in message <2_s1c.6862$jw2.4...@news20.bellglobal.com>...
>> (Boy - if this isn't a prime example of why each and every Republican
should
>> be electrified - I don't *What* is!!!)
>
>I'm not too sure what Republicans have to do with this.
That's because it requires thinking - a task you are unable to complete.
>Is this because your
>sweetie Nilges sees himself as the reincarnation of the Old South, which
was
>(justifiably) crushed by your first Republican president, Lincoln?
Hm... maybe you should see a physician.
>OTOH, making allowances for your lack of education
Sorry - Puppeteers are not qualified to speak about education.
>, is this because you
>think that here in Canada we have the same political parties you do?
<sigh> - I guess that type of question is to be expected when one lives and
dies in a box.
>Usually
>by grade four or five most kids are aware that the two countries have quite
>different political systems; perhaps you would have down well to at least
>get that far in school.
You know, division must give you a great sense of comfort and justify your
measly existance. Do you honestly believe your "geography" excuses your
right-wing views??
Wait - don't answer, you're probably wondering what fractions have to do
with this.
>Anyway,
Moron Alert!
>advocating the murder of such a large segment of your population is
>shocking, to say the least. You do keep coming back to that sort of
solution
>to your problems. Why?
Solutions *do* elude you, don't they.
>It's rather funny you can make claims to intelligence given the trouble you
>have with even rudimentary geography
But your ignorance has no boundaries - Why do you insist on placing yourself
in a box?!?
Ok, how about I just call you a Canadian Clod. Is that better? Do you prefer
that over "Republican"? There's absolutely *no* difference - but I have a
feeling you'll figure that out once someone explains the fraction note to
you!
>and your urge to settle differences
>through mass murder.
I prefer to call it mental cleansing.
>But if it keeps you happy, well, I'm pleased;
Then I have failed.
Flying Naked People
>On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 13:35:15 -0800, "Flying Naked People"
><http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm> wrote:
>
>>(Boy - if this isn't a prime example of why each and every Republican
should
>>be electrified - I don't *What* is!!!)
>
>Ooh. There's that unattractive death-dealing intolerance of other
>opinions again. Remind me not to write you in for President. I think
>Bush is more tolerant.
(I have a feeling you would believe he is.) But for fun, can I show you the
pictures of the infant heads Bush blew up in Iraq? Maybe you would like to
see the effects an American presence has on a dead 9 year old who had both
of her feet shot off. How about a photo of blood pouring down streets in
Iraq?
Is that the kind of president you prefer?
My - what a "tolerant" ape you are!!
>>The fact that I figured it out rather indicates that you need better
>>training. Your getting caught in your own foolishness does not excuse your
>>flawed strategy.
>
>Umm... It was kind'a obvious. "A.Lurker", responding to a post on
>lurker support? You can't seriously think someone meant that to be an
>honest sock...
A dirty bomb - a dirty sock. An honest bomb - an honest sock.
"Here - Here! The **Tolerant** Way! Play with adjectives to hide your
savagery!"
>That's about Dil's level, but he hasn't figured out
>the sock thing yet.
Maybe if you pull down your pants... he'll find it.
>max
>
>
max
<http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm> wrote:
>max wrote in message <8ooc40dnsra311ghn...@4ax.com>...
>>On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 13:35:15 -0800, "Flying Naked People"
>><http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm> wrote:
>>
>>>(Boy - if this isn't a prime example of why each and every Republican
>should
>>>be electrified - I don't *What* is!!!)
>>
>>Ooh. There's that unattractive death-dealing intolerance of other
>>opinions again. Remind me not to write you in for President. I think
>>Bush is more tolerant.
>
>(I have a feeling you would believe he is.) But for fun, can I show you the
>pictures of the infant heads Bush blew up in Iraq? Maybe you would like to
>see the effects an American presence has on a dead 9 year old who had both
>of her feet shot off. How about a photo of blood pouring down streets in
>Iraq?
>
>Is that the kind of president you prefer?
Note I didn't say I preferred him, just that I think he sounds more
tolerant than you. Maybe I'm wrong and you're both about the same.
He wants to kill people he doesn't know, you want to kill people you
don't know. Is there a difference? Oh, yeah, he hasn't suggested
killing people who vote for a different political party yet.
>My - what a "tolerant" ape you are!!
Heh! I'm not the one suggesting people I disagree with be killed en
masse.
max
Flying Naked People
Is that why the U.S. is busy assembling a democracy in Iraq??
>>My - what a "tolerant" ape you are!!
>
>Heh! I'm not the one suggesting people I disagree with be killed en
>masse.
No - you merely want to cure the symptom(s) - not the disease.
You Pill Popper!
>
>max
>
>
Edward G. Nilges
> Chris wrote in message <2_s1c.6862$jw2.4...@news20.bellglobal.com>...
>
> >> (Boy - if this isn't a prime example of why each and every Republican
> should
> >> be electrified - I don't *What* is!!!)
> >
> >I'm not too sure what Republicans have to do with this.
>
> That's because it requires thinking - a task you are unable to complete.
>
> >Is this because your
> >sweetie Nilges sees himself as the reincarnation of the Old South, which
> was
> >(justifiably) crushed by your first Republican president, Lincoln?
Only because I have a certain sympathy for Rhett Butler, who saw
clearly enough that the South was a folly on the order of Louis
Napoleon's Second Empire, which came to disaster at Sedan as Granny
Lee came a cropper at Gettysburg, and who realized the waste of time
that SOME American women represent ("frankly my dear I don't give a
damn").
Who have enough inner self-confidence that they don't have to prove
their manhood either by chasing some skirt like Scarlett, or Saddam
Hussein.
Who related best to Hattie McDaniel and was a character suspected by
the "true men of the south" who collectively agreed upon a bloody
folly even as their great grandchildren collectively deluded
themselves in March 2003 and attacked Iraq: even as those same racist
clowns have now gotten us involved in a violation of the UN Charter in
Haiti.
max
<http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm> wrote:
>max wrote in message ...
>>On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 15:40:47 -0800, "Flying Naked People"
>><http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm> wrote:
>>
>>>Is that the kind of president you prefer?
>>
>>Note I didn't say I preferred him, just that I think he sounds more
>>tolerant than you. Maybe I'm wrong and you're both about the same.
>>
>>He wants to kill people he doesn't know, you want to kill people you
>>don't know. Is there a difference? Oh, yeah, he hasn't suggested
>>killing people who vote for a different political party yet.
>
>Is that why the U.S. is busy assembling a democracy in Iraq??
Effective technique on the easily distracted - call attention away
from your own problems by pointing out other people's problems. Bush
killing people in Iraq somehow means your proposal for mass murder of
dissenting opinions is OK. Sorry, not buying it.
>>>My - what a "tolerant" ape you are!!
>>
>>Heh! I'm not the one suggesting people I disagree with be killed en
>>masse.
>
>No - you merely want to cure the symptom(s) - not the disease.
>
If curing the disease means killing half the voters in the country,
I'm afraid that's true. No Final Solutions here!
>You Pill Popper!
I can hook you up with some Prozac. Maybe that would help.
max
max
wrote:
>Only because I have a certain sympathy for Rhett Butler, who saw
>clearly enough that the South was a folly on the order of Louis
>Napoleon's Second Empire, which came to disaster at Sedan as Granny
>Lee came a cropper at Gettysburg, and who realized the waste of time
>that SOME American women represent ("frankly my dear I don't give a
>damn").
Still having a hard time differentiating between movies and real life,
I see.
I subscribe to a Munsters interpretation of modern life, personally.
You should give it a try.
max
Flying Naked People
max wrote in message ...
>>>>Is that the kind of president you prefer?
>>>
>>>Note I didn't say I preferred him, just that I think he sounds more
>>>tolerant than you. Maybe I'm wrong and you're both about the same.
>>>
>>>He wants to kill people he doesn't know, you want to kill people you
>>>don't know. Is there a difference? Oh, yeah, he hasn't suggested
>>>killing people who vote for a different political party yet.
>>
>>Is that why the U.S. is busy assembling a democracy in Iraq??
>
>Effective technique on the easily distracted - call attention away
>from your own problems by pointing out other people's problems.
You have no excuse for failing to see the significance of the comparison.
I'll help you never-the-less: (1) You suggested that Bush hasn't done what
you're accusing me of 'wishing' to do. (2) I pointed out that he did. (3)
This illustrates that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
HTH
>Bush
>killing people in Iraq somehow means your proposal for mass murder of
>dissenting opinions is OK. Sorry, not buying it.
It's not for sale.
>If curing the disease means killing half the voters in the country,
>I'm afraid that's true. No Final Solutions here!
You're contradicting yourself.
>>You Pill Popper!
>
>I can hook you up with some Prozac. Maybe that would help.
Typical American solution.
>max
>
max
<http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm> wrote:
>You have no excuse for failing to see the significance of the comparison.
>I'll help you never-the-less: (1) You suggested that Bush hasn't done what
>you're accusing me of 'wishing' to do. (2) I pointed out that he did. (3)
>This illustrates that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
You're right - my apologies. Bush isn't better than you; you're both
about the same, with one important exception - he has the power, and
you don't. That's pretty important, and I'm grateful for it.
>HTH
Always happy for your well-reasoned insights into humanity.
max
Flying Naked People
max wrote in message ...
><http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm> wrote:
>
>>You have no excuse for failing to see the significance of the comparison.
>>I'll help you never-the-less: (1) You suggested that Bush hasn't done what
>>you're accusing me of 'wishing' to do. (2) I pointed out that he did. (3)
>>This illustrates that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
>
>You're right - my apologies. Bush isn't better than you; you're both
>about the same, with one important exception - he has the power, and
>you don't.
You are wrong (again). I don't kill innocent babies, children, women, or
men - nor, would I ever.
Paul Mesken
<http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm> wrote:
>
>max wrote in message ...
>>On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 09:25:33 -0800, "Flying Naked People"
>><http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm> wrote:
>>
>>>You have no excuse for failing to see the significance of the comparison.
>>>I'll help you never-the-less: (1) You suggested that Bush hasn't done what
>>>you're accusing me of 'wishing' to do. (2) I pointed out that he did. (3)
>>>This illustrates that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
>>
>>You're right - my apologies. Bush isn't better than you; you're both
>>about the same, with one important exception - he has the power, and
>>you don't.
>
>You are wrong (again). I don't kill innocent babies, children, women, or
>men - nor, would I ever.
But that doesn't necessarily make you good.
You see, you shouldn't want to kill babies, children, women or men at
all. Either innocent or guilty. The whole "innocent" part is the
dangerous part. It assumes that there is a justification for killing.
Of course, killing happens, justified or not but the danger is the
idea that there _could_ be a justification for killing because that
makes killing easier, it makes it acceptable. A lot of the Nazi
executioners genuinely believed they were doing a good job. They
killed out of idealism, cleverly manipulated by a demagogue consumed
by irrational hatred.
In the West a lot of people believe killing is justified when done in
self-defense (a "he or I" scenario). Of course that's why war
propaganda focuses on "creating" an enemy set out on destroying the
West and the notion of "pre-emptive strike". As long as people believe
that there is something like a justification for war, the wars will
continue.
That's why I don't like Nilges' idea of an "independent faculty of
judgement" because I believe this is exactly that what can justify
wars. There's no such thing as "independent judgement".
Only when people are able to see and accept their "shadow" side,
instead of dressing it up with idealism, will there be any chance of
true peace.
Flying Naked People
Paul Mesken wrote in message ...
Does this "true peace" occur before... or --after-- you've had a dildo
rammed up your ass and an apple bashed into your mouth??
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=gfn940l9gum1j9o516pl7rnm9sn51thf0r@4ax.
com
Flying Naked People
Paul Mesken wrote in message ...
>The whole "innocent" part is the
>dangerous part. It assumes that there is a justification for killing.
A dictionary might help you.
Paul Mesken
Did it turn you on? :-)
Paul Mesken
Je ne comprend pas?
Flying Naked People
Paul Mesken wrote in message ...
>On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 19:14:55 -0800, "Flying Naked People"
><http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm> wrote:
>
>>
>>Paul Mesken wrote in message ...
>>
>>>The whole "innocent" part is the
>>>dangerous part. It assumes that there is a justification for killing.
>>
>>A dictionary might help you.
>
>Je ne comprend pas?
>
Naturellement vous pas.
Flying Naked People
Paul Mesken wrote in message ...
Not as much as any prospective employers researching you online.
max
<http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm> wrote:
>
>max wrote in message ...
>>about the same, with one important exception - he has the power, and
>>you don't.
>
>You are wrong (again). I don't kill innocent babies, children, women, or
>men - nor, would I ever.
I see. Is it the act of voting Republican that takes away their
innocence and puts them on your list of those you want killed, or do
you include children born to Republican parents?
max
DNALJM
>
>max
>
Could you hook me up with some Lexapro? New Jersey would sure appreciate it.
Jane
Flying Naked People
max wrote in message ...
>On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 12:13:44 -0800, "Flying Naked People"
><http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm> wrote:
>>
>>max wrote in message ...
>>>You're right - my apologies. Bush isn't better than you; you're both
>>>about the same, with one important exception - he has the power, and
>>>you don't.
>>
>>You are wrong (again). I don't kill innocent babies, children, women, or
>>men - nor, would I ever.
>
>I see. Is it the act of voting Republican that takes away their
>innocence and puts them on your list of those you want killed, or do
>you include children born to Republican parents?
Who the hell do I look like - your Christian Contrived 'Phictitious'
Pharoah?!?
Babble on to someone else... your scheme is "see-thru". And I'm bored.
>max
>
Edward G. Nilges
> Paul Mesken wrote in message ...
> >On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 12:13:44 -0800, "Flying Naked People"
> ><http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm> wrote:
>
> >>You are wrong (again). I don't kill innocent babies, children, women, or
> >>men - nor, would I ever.
> >
> >But that doesn't necessarily make you good.
> >
> >You see, you shouldn't want to kill babies, children, women or men at
> >all. Either innocent or guilty. The whole "innocent" part is the
> >dangerous part. It assumes that there is a justification for killing.
> >
> >Of course, killing happens, justified or not but the danger is the
> >idea that there _could_ be a justification for killing because that
> >makes killing easier, it makes it acceptable. A lot of the Nazi
> >executioners genuinely believed they were doing a good job. They
> >killed out of idealism, cleverly manipulated by a demagogue consumed
> >by irrational hatred.
This is false. They fell in reality into two categories.
They were either Little Men without imagination or heart who needed a
job, like Eichmann, and who post facto justified their choice by
reference to an ill-understood Kantianism, or they were in fact just
as ironic and cynical as today's nonvoting Dennis Miller clone, who
generalizes his own anomie into the interesting world view that since
everybody's an asshole, this justifies his own failure to act in
conformance with any recognizable life plan, let alone a universal
moral law.
Read William Shirer's the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, written by
a journalist who lived the events he described. Read Hannah Arendt's
The Origins of Totalitarianism and read, goddamnit, Herbert Marcuse's
reports to the OSS on German psychology.
All confirm that the German prewar psychology was remarkably similar
to American psychology both political and personal today. Like
Americans today, Germans affected in the Weimar period a falsely
cultivated, falsely nuanced view of "politicians" which proposed to
regard their antics, despite the fact that they were constitutive of
what democracy existed, as self aggrandizement while simultaneously
and in a contradictory fashion celebrating self aggrandizement in
private affairs indeed to the exclusion of disinterested learning for
its own sake.
The German and American psychologies are the same.
Another theme is a Romantic anti-intellectualism and a pose of
Authenticity which conveniently casts suspicion on any attempts to do
other than go, with the flow, a practice labeled schlamperei in
pre-Anschluss Vienna and which is prevelant in many American circles,
the result being continual corporate scandals as seen at Enron.
There was no "idealism" in Naziism. Instead it was a freak show in
which the worst sort of "realists" took what advantage they could and
in so doing managed to piss off the rest of the world, and thereby got
Germany's ass kicked.
The German situation rather parallels the American: for we learn from
Col. David Hackworth that if wounds are counted, the USA has lost the
equivalent of a division over the past year in Iraq, because modern
body armor and medevac while preventing death cannot prevent the loss
of a limb and the creation of Yet Another homeless and legless
veteran. Thus lives are being tossed away essentially in the same way
they were tossed away NOT BY IDEALISTS but by cynics on the Western
Front...while those cynics laughed, in Berlin's cafes and in Dennis
Miller style, at the poor deluded Swabian farm-boys who actually
volunteered for the shit in Russia.
> >
> >In the West a lot of people believe killing is justified when done in
> >self-defense (a "he or I" scenario). Of course that's why war
> >propaganda focuses on "creating" an enemy set out on destroying the
> >West and the notion of "pre-emptive strike". As long as people believe
> >that there is something like a justification for war, the wars will
> >continue.
> >
> >That's why I don't like Nilges' idea of an "independent faculty of
> >judgement" because I believe this is exactly that what can justify
> >wars. There's no such thing as "independent judgement".
I exercised my independent faculty of goddamn judgement on March 14
2003 and thereby got on a bus to go to New York City and demonstrate
against the folly in Iraq. More to the point and during the Vietnam
era hundreds of thousands of Americans exercised their judgement and
ended the war.
I therefore submit that while OF COURSE judgement can "justify wars"
it can also stop wars, and furthermore it is biased towards stopping
them.
For if you'd troubled yourself to read let us say Barbara Tuchman's
book The Guns of August you'd learn how many modern wars start, and
this is indeed the political failure to exercise an independent
faculty of goddamn judgement.
For by the time Tsar Nicholas realized that Russian entry into war on
the side of Serbia against Austria Hungary would automatically
(without any "independent judgement" on his part) trigger German
intervention, the Tsar had LOST any "independent faculty of judgement"
not only because the Kaiser would intervene in an automatic fashion
but also because Tsar Nicholas' generals assured him that once set
into motion, the train schedules for the slow and large Russian
mobilization were irreversible.
Whereas JFK made a conscious choice, in fact using an independent
faculty of judgement, to substitute a naval blockade for Curtis
Lemay's recommended bombing and invasion of Cuba, just as he'd made a
conscious choice to accept responsibility for the Bay of Pigs. The
fact that he may have been thereby set up for assasination by a Heart
of Darkness comprised of rogue elements of the American military and
defense elites, working with closeted homosexuals and Cuban gangstas,
only points up the consciousness of the choice and the risk JFK
perhaps unknowingly took.
> >
> >Only when people are able to see and accept their "shadow" side,
> >instead of dressing it up with idealism, will there be any chance of
> >true peace.
I see, as soon as everybody busies themselves with making fools of
themselves by trashing the commons like a Dutch fuck, then we will
have universal peace. Right. Yeah. Whatever you say.
> >
>
> Does this "true peace" occur before... or --after-- you've had a dildo
> rammed up your ass and an apple bashed into your mouth??
>
Well said, Evil Henchwoman.
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=gfn940l9gum1j9o516pl7rnm9sn51thf0r@4ax.
> com
Paul Mesken
<http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm> wrote:
>Not as much as any prospective employers researching you online.
Your concerns are noted and appreciated but you don't need to worry
about me. My employer is not at all interested in my "on-line life",
programmers are not public figures and my name is not on the programs
I make.
Paul Mesken
wrote:
>I exercised my independent faculty of goddamn judgement on March 14
>2003 and thereby got on a bus to go to New York City and demonstrate
>against the folly in Iraq. More to the point and during the Vietnam
>era hundreds of thousands of Americans exercised their judgement and
>ended the war.
>
>I therefore submit that while OF COURSE judgement can "justify wars"
>it can also stop wars, and furthermore it is biased towards stopping
>them.
You know Nilges, I really get curious to how your "independent faculty
of judgement" looks like. Is there a website or something showing how
it works or is it a secret?
>Whereas JFK made a conscious choice, in fact using an independent
>faculty of judgement, to substitute a naval blockade for Curtis
>Lemay's recommended bombing and invasion of Cuba, just as he'd made a
>conscious choice to accept responsibility for the Bay of Pigs. The
>fact that he may have been thereby set up for assasination by a Heart
>of Darkness comprised of rogue elements of the American military and
>defense elites, working with closeted homosexuals and Cuban gangstas,
>only points up the consciousness of the choice and the risk JFK
>perhaps unknowingly took.
"Closeted homosexuals"? I thought it was a Jewish Conspiracy! ;-)
>I see, as soon as everybody busies themselves with making fools of
>themselves by trashing the commons like a Dutch fuck, then we will
>have universal peace. Right. Yeah. Whatever you say.
You know, it's funny that both Dile and you use my nationality to
"spice up" the attack :-)
max
You're the one that said it:
From: "Flying Naked People" <http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm>
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 13:35:15 -0800
Message-ID: <104cjlq...@corp.supernews.com>
>(Boy - if this isn't a prime example of why each and every Republican should be electrified - I don't *What* is!!!)
immediately clarified to:
>Make that, "electrocuted"!!!
>
>BzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzT
Now that we've got that cleared up, I'm bored too...
max
Edward G. Nilges
> On 5 Mar 2004 07:49:06 -0800, spino...@yahoo.com (Edward G. Nilges)
> wrote:
>
> >I exercised my independent faculty of goddamn judgement on March 14
> >2003 and thereby got on a bus to go to New York City and demonstrate
> >against the folly in Iraq. More to the point and during the Vietnam
> >era hundreds of thousands of Americans exercised their judgement and
> >ended the war.
> >
> >I therefore submit that while OF COURSE judgement can "justify wars"
> >it can also stop wars, and furthermore it is biased towards stopping
> >them.
>
> You know Nilges, I really get curious to how your "independent faculty
> of judgement" looks like. Is there a website or something showing how
> it works or is it a secret?
Kant tell you.
>
> >Whereas JFK made a conscious choice, in fact using an independent
> >faculty of judgement, to substitute a naval blockade for Curtis
> >Lemay's recommended bombing and invasion of Cuba, just as he'd made a
> >conscious choice to accept responsibility for the Bay of Pigs. The
> >fact that he may have been thereby set up for assasination by a Heart
> >of Darkness comprised of rogue elements of the American military and
> >defense elites, working with closeted homosexuals and Cuban gangstas,
> >only points up the consciousness of the choice and the risk JFK
> >perhaps unknowingly took.
>
> "Closeted homosexuals"? I thought it was a Jewish Conspiracy! ;-)
Hey up yours. Americans have a right to know the truth and to form
hypotheses about the assassination of Kennedy which long ago should
have been subject to a serious investigation and the punishment of the
perpetrators including if guilty Lyndon Johnson.
The assasination of William of Nassau became a founding legend in your
state. However, the assassination of Kennedy demonstrated to the
American middle class that they were being bought off with creature
comforts so that an elite, essentially in place since 1776 could
continue to set policy.
This elite was put in place by slaves white and black in the 17th
century (a century in which white indentured servants were imported by
Dutch fucks in the Hudson river valley and elsewhere, and treated for
the term of their indenture as slaves) and by black chattel slaves in
the 19th century, for these servants and slaves created fortunes which
exist today...unlike most of the wealth of the European upper classes,
redistributed as it was in the revolutionary upsets of 1789, 1848,
1870, 1918 and 1945.
In fact and for this reason I support reparations for slavery.
The election of Kennedy threatened this elite because albeit Kennedy
was a wealthy son of a wealthy man, his father was Irish and a few
generations removed from poverty, having made his pile in rum running.
As such and especially given Kennedy's international popularity and
charisma, similar to Clinton, after Kennedy screwed up in the Bay of
Pigs and in 1963 moved like Gorbachev later to detente, a decision may
have been made to have him assassinated.
The truth about what happened can be known and should be known. While
many Americans are in fact stupid, having been in fact brutalized by
excessive comfort coupled intimately with no control over their lives,
the entire Enlightenment is that they need to be re-raised to a level
of political dignity last seen during the Lincoln-Douglas debates over
slavery.
Just as the Dutch had the right to preach in fields without being
harassed by Spanish fuckwads, Americans have this right to a
meaningful freedom...which Reagan, an evil man, conflated with getting
"rich".
Furthermore, it appears to me that for many Dutch fucks, the struggles
of their ancestors for this freedom now means nothing more than being
able to blaze up in hashish parlors and treat women as sex objects.
Which of course is convenient to England and France for it ensures
that the Dutch know their place where it counts, in the branch offices
of English and French concerns and as a source of cheap agricultural
products for the rest of Europe.
>
> >I see, as soon as everybody busies themselves with making fools of
> >themselves by trashing the commons like a Dutch fuck, then we will
> >have universal peace. Right. Yeah. Whatever you say.
>
> You know, it's funny that both Dile and you use my nationality to
> "spice up" the attack :-)
Mere precision dear boy: for there are Dutch fucks and Dutch regular
guys. I did not want to deny that there are stand up guys in Holland.
You're not one of them.
Chris
>>[......]
> You know, it's funny that both Dile and you use my nationality to
> "spice up" the attack :-)
>
If you scratch a fanatic, underneath you'll find a self-loathing bigot. It's
one of the more amusing aspects of dealing with Nilges, NerdGurl, and the
Diddler - and I must say you done us proud in bringing out the
Inelegant"dark side".
Chris
.
Nikolaus Maack
(in message <WTi2c.16876$JZ6.5...@news20.bellglobal.com>):
> If you scratch a fanatic, underneath you'll find a self-loathing bigot.
Actually, despite many words to the contrary, I've discovered that no matter
who you scratch, there's always blood and meat underneath. Scratch deep
enough, and you get bone. It's been one of the big disappointments in my
life. I guess this proves once and for all that people aren't
scratch-and-win lottery tickets.
Flying Naked People
Chris wrote in message ...
>
>"Paul Mesken" <usu...@euronet.nl> wrote in message
>news:75bh401hi0tvq6a4j...@4ax.com...
>> On 5 Mar 2004 07:49:06 -0800, spino...@yahoo.com (Edward G. Nilges)
>> wrote and wrote and wrote
>>>[......]
>> You know, it's funny that both Dile and you use my nationality to
>> "spice up" the attack :-)
>>
>
>If you scratch a fanatic, underneath you'll find a self-loathing bigot.
And when you challenge a psuedo-intellect to back up his claims, you find a
clinic retard in in self-denial.
>Chris
>.
>
>
Chris
Back up the claim? Your note is a case in point. Look how you use the phrase
"clinical retard" as a term of derogation. It's the sort of small minded
bigotry that people with mental handicaps have to deal with all the time -
the sort of bigotry that portrays them as sub-human (and, as you have posted
earlier, worth eliminating). Can you point out any reason why your attitude
should be seen in any better light than one that uses terms like "nigger" or
"kike" or "towelhead"?
Elsewhere you take the same stance towards age; and we are all familiar with
your homophobia.
It's sadly obvious in your case we don't have to even scratch deep to find
the bigot; it's right on the surface, and the surface is all there is.
Chris
Paul Mesken
wrote:
>Paul Mesken <usu...@euronet.nl> wrote in message news:<75bh401hi0tvq6a4j...@4ax.com>...
>> You know Nilges, I really get curious to how your "independent faculty
>> of judgement" looks like. Is there a website or something showing how
>> it works or is it a secret?
>
>Kant tell you.
I'm more a Nietzsche man
>> >Whereas JFK made a conscious choice, in fact using an independent
>> >faculty of judgement, to substitute a naval blockade for Curtis
>> >Lemay's recommended bombing and invasion of Cuba, just as he'd made a
>> >conscious choice to accept responsibility for the Bay of Pigs. The
>> >fact that he may have been thereby set up for assasination by a Heart
>> >of Darkness comprised of rogue elements of the American military and
>> >defense elites, working with closeted homosexuals and Cuban gangstas,
>> >only points up the consciousness of the choice and the risk JFK
>> >perhaps unknowingly took.
>>
>> "Closeted homosexuals"? I thought it was a Jewish Conspiracy! ;-)
>
>Hey up yours. Americans have a right to know the truth and to form
>hypotheses about the assassination of Kennedy which long ago should
>have been subject to a serious investigation and the punishment of the
>perpetrators including if guilty Lyndon Johnson.
So now you have the truth about the JFK assassination? By all means,
scream it into the face of the World for it wants to know. There seem
to be 3 favorit pasttimes for Americans :
- Proving the existence of UFOs and alien abductions
- Finding Bigfoot
- Finding the real killer of JFK
>Furthermore, it appears to me that for many Dutch fucks, the struggles
>of their ancestors for this freedom now means nothing more than being
>able to blaze up in hashish parlors and treat women as sex objects.
Oh really Nilges. The Netherlands is one of the most emancipated and
tolerant countries in the World. Any luck yet with illegalizing gay
marriages? The only place in the Netherlands where women are treated
as sex objects is in cinema's showing American movies.
>> You know, it's funny that both Dile and you use my nationality to
>> "spice up" the attack :-)
>
>Mere precision dear boy: for there are Dutch fucks and Dutch regular
>guys. I did not want to deny that there are stand up guys in Holland.
>You're not one of them.
Yet you use my nationality for a reason. You could just as well have
said that I was a "fuck" instead of a "Dutch fuck".
Flying Naked People
Chris wrote in message ...
>
>"Flying Naked People" <http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm> wrote in
>message news:104k4mf...@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> Chris wrote in message ...
>> >
>> >"Paul Mesken" <usu...@euronet.nl> wrote in message
>> >news:75bh401hi0tvq6a4j...@4ax.com...
>> >> On 5 Mar 2004 07:49:06 -0800, spino...@yahoo.com (Edward G. Nilges)
>> >> wrote and wrote and wrote
>> >>>[......]
>> >> You know, it's funny that both Dile and you use my nationality to
>> >> "spice up" the attack :-)
>> >>
>> >
>> >If you scratch a fanatic, underneath you'll find a self-loathing bigot.
>>
>> And when you challenge a psuedo-intellect to back up his claims, you find
>a
>> clinic retard in in self-denial.
>
>Back up the claim? Your note is a case in point. Look how you use the
phrase
>"clinical retard" as a term of derogation.
It's a fact that can easily be shown through the analysis of your posts. The
trouble with this analysis is, it won't do you a damn bit of good - You'll
still deny your mental status in the face of facts!
>It's the sort of small minded
>bigotry that people with mental handicaps have to deal with all the time -
OH - so you have experience with this problem... I'm not surprised.
>the sort of bigotry that portrays them as sub-human (and, as you have
posted
>earlier, worth eliminating).
Many people *do* - in fact - regard retards as a drain on parenthood,
finances, and society. Guess you've never heard of amniocentesis tests that
enable pregnant mothers to make "certain" decisions. Guess you've never
heard of nature's own way to rid the pregnant body of fetal deformations.
(They're called spontaneous abortions, Retard). How you managed to escape
nature's fate is beyond me!
>Can you point out any reason why your attitude
>should be seen in any better light than one that uses terms like "nigger"
or
>"kike" or "towelhead"?
See here? See the incapable thinking of this retard? This retard is unable
to separate "race" or "religion" from "flawed thinking" or "deformity." This
is *another* (and there are pah-LENTY) one of Chris' retarded examples yet
again, saved to the Google archives.
>Elsewhere you take the same stance towards age;
I'm using your age to grant you the benefit of the doubt, retard. You could
be either senile - or retarded. There are no other explanations for your
deformed thinking. Never-the-less, I like to call you a retard.
>and we are all familiar with
>your homophobia.
I do not fear gays. In fact, I encourage *all* of you to eliminate your
chances of reproducing. The less of your kind - the better! Go for it!
>It's sadly obvious
In the eyes of a retard? LOL
>in your case we don't have to even scratch deep to find
>the bigot; it's right on the surface, and the surface is all there is.
If it's right on the surface, why would you need to scratch at all?? (Damn,
you're dumb!)
Sorry - your "Retard-Speak" does not compute with normal human beings.
Please suck dick, and continue to un-create!
>Chris
>
>
>
>
Paul Mesken
Ah, yes, Nilges, NerdGerl and the Dile all seem to have this one thing
in common : projection :-)
Paul Mesken
<http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm> wrote:
> Never-the-less, I like to call you a retard.
There you have it, underneath all that "idealism" and "analysis" is
just this single, simple truth. You just like to insult people.
Flying Naked People
Paul Mesken wrote in message ...
I like to call em' as I see em'. But you have a problem with that, don't
you.
Flying Naked People
Paul Mesken wrote in message <2fek405l896vs335m...@4ax.com>...
>Ah, yes, Nilges, NerdGerl and the Dile all seem to have this one thing
>in common : projection :-)
>
And you? RE- jection.
Advances shown as denied.
Thur
> tolerant countries in the World.
Can't be perfect though.
When our newspapers covered the horrifying crash at Schipol,
(when the plane flew into the housing a long time back)
there was coverage of the area and interviews of those who lived
there. There were allegations of colour discrimination.
I had heard the same first hand from a couple of people too, and
noted some of the familiar attitudes Dutch had to people who were
the sons of colonial interracial breeding. "Oh he's not REAL Dutch".
I like your patriotism though, that is consistent with almost everyone
I met/meet.
I don't suppose though that anyone gets towed behind a pickup truck
until they fall in pieces, and I havn't heard of church burnings or
anyone griddled over an open fire, or strung up from the trees.
Like every other country, the Dutch think far higher of themselves
than do foreigners, and their press are more likely to tell them of other
countries defficiencies than their positive values.
People I know like living there.
Thur
"Paul Mesken" <usu...@euronet.nl> wrote in message
news:8edk40dbh2n1ugvt1...@4ax.com...
Paul Mesken
<http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm> wrote:
>
>Paul Mesken wrote in message ...
>>On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 12:53:09 -0800, "Flying Naked People"
>><http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm> wrote:
>>
>>> Never-the-less, I like to call you a retard.
>>
>>There you have it, underneath all that "idealism" and "analysis" is
>>just this single, simple truth. You just like to insult people.
>>
>
>I like to call em' as I see em'. But you have a problem with that, don't
>you.
Not at all, and I appreciate your honesty. It is now crystal clear
we're all trolls and that we know it of each other :-)
Peter H.M. Brooks
> On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 15:24:50 -0400, "Chris" <n...@this.address> wrote:
>
> Ah, yes, Nilges, NerdGerl and the Dile all seem to have this one thing
> in common : projection :-)
>
thing and maybe being a slave to one sort enhances another. On the other
hand, maybe it doesn't.
--
"I can generally manage to attend to more than one thing at a time," said
Serena, rashly; "I think I must have a sort of double brain."
"Much better to economise and have one really good one," observed Lady
Caroline. - Saki The Unbearable Bassington
Paul Mesken
>> Oh really Nilges. The Netherlands is one of the most emancipated and
>> tolerant countries in the World.
>
>Can't be perfect though.
>When our newspapers covered the horrifying crash at Schipol,
>(when the plane flew into the housing a long time back)
>there was coverage of the area and interviews of those who lived
>there. There were allegations of colour discrimination.
Yes, it's called the "Bijlmer ramp" (Bijlmer disaster) here. The plane
crashed into two flats. It was not colour discrimination but social
class discrimination. The Bijlmer is a part of Amsterdam populated by
poor people (a lot of immigrants). The Bijlmer could be called "the
projects" I guess. The investigations never produced satisfactory
results. The plane was a military "El Al" plane of Israel and
subsequent health problems suggested Uranium poisoning. The immediate
secrecy surrounding the investigations suggested a cover up which is
not beyond imagination because Schiphol is used for covert military
transports, especially to Israel. So called "men in white suits" were
quickly there to clean up all stuff.
The outrage and the suspicion of discrimination were because poor
people were the victims and this "cover up" would probably never had
happened if the plane had crashed into the centre of Amsterdam ("de
Grachtengordel" : the canal belt) were the rich people live.
>I had heard the same first hand from a couple of people too, and
>noted some of the familiar attitudes Dutch had to people who were
>the sons of colonial interracial breeding. "Oh he's not REAL Dutch".
I don't think so. I myself am product of "colonial interracial
breeding". I don't look Dutch, I look like a very tall Indonesian guy
but I never felt discriminated (of course Asian types are hardly ever
discriminated against). Perhaps it's because I live in the North of
the Netherlands, it's more Calvinistic and down to Earth. There are of
course always jokes about one's appearance but that's hardly
discrimination (anyone who called me a peanut was called a cheese head
by me :-)
There is however a prejudice growing against Antillian and Morrocan
people. Also the Islam is being frowned upon more and more. It's
mostly a culture clash. The consensus is that this is all the fault of
a failed integration policy and the subsequent formation of "ghettos"
and "black schools" (getting rid of them is high on the political
agenda and unorthodox methods are proposed). Traditional Islamic
values about intolerance of homosexuality and the inequality of man
and woman clash with the Dutch values. We just got a new law which
makes it possible to fine parents living in the Netherlands who take
their daughters to countries like Somalia to get them circumcissed.
The Dutch are now getting more intolerent with intolerent aspects of
the other cultures within the Netherlands. It took a long time for
that and I like to think it's a Good Thing. "Blood Vengeance",
homophobia, women discrimination really should have no place in the
Netherlands.
Most of the Dutch are highly educated (because of our, expensive,
educational system) and are far too smart to indulge in something as
stupid as discrimination based on skin color.
>I like your patriotism though, that is consistent with almost everyone
>I met/meet.
I must say that I'm somewhat more "nationalist" than most other Dutch.
It's not very Dutch to be proud of the Netherlands, we're more a
people of complainers. That whole stuff the Americans do with their
flag and the "Greatest Country of the World" really is frowned upon
here. OTOH we also don't like to be reminded of the Dutch role in
Black Slavery (we were the ones selling them and the Netherlands was
about the latest country to abolish slavery) nor the actions in
Indonesia after WW2 (which were stopped by the Americans) or the fact
that most foreign SS-ers were in fact Dutch. The Dutch do have a
tendency to cover up such scandals whereas the Americans are far more
prone to bring such stuff out in the open.
>I don't suppose though that anyone gets towed behind a pickup truck
>until they fall in pieces, and I havn't heard of church burnings or
>anyone griddled over an open fire, or strung up from the trees.
We do have our scandals though but they are (very in line with the
Dutch spirit) of a financial nature.
>Like every other country, the Dutch think far higher of themselves
>than do foreigners, and their press are more likely to tell them of other
>countries defficiencies than their positive values.
Yeah, but the Dutch are right! (says Paul, Jingoist, Mesken :-)
>People I know like living there.
The weather could be better though :-)
Paul Mesken
<fustbar...@e3.net.nz> wrote:
>
>"Paul Mesken" <usu...@euronet.nl> wrote in message
>news:2fek405l896vs335m...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 15:24:50 -0400, "Chris" <n...@this.address> wrote:
>>
>> Ah, yes, Nilges, NerdGerl and the Dile all seem to have this one thing
>> in common : projection :-)
>>
>An accurate observation but, in an artist, isn't projection rather a good
>thing and maybe being a slave to one sort enhances another. On the other
>hand, maybe it doesn't.
It's an interesting point but I believe honesty is the most important
quality the artist's psyche can have. It's okay to project as long as
you're aware that you're projecting. One needs to be as aware as
humanly possible of one's own true motives. The "Persona" and "Ego"
make boring art, the "Self" OTOH can make the real stuff.
Paul Mesken
<nikm...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>Actually, despite many words to the contrary, I've discovered that no matter
>who you scratch, there's always blood and meat underneath. Scratch deep
>enough, and you get bone.
Ah, you're a Nietzsche man as well :-)
Peter H.M. Brooks
you see the psyche linked to consciousness. Is shamanistic, or other trance
induced art not art because the artist isn't all there?
--
"Most politicians are something or other at heart, but no one would be rash
enough to insure a politician against heart failure. Particularly when he
happens to be in office." - Saki The Unbearable Bassington
Nikolaus Maack
(in message <53lk40ld3vlot33qg...@4ax.com>):
> Ah, you're a Nietzsche man as well :-)
Sort of. Freud was heavily influenced by Nietzsche. At least, judging by
"Beyond Good and Evil", which I read most of. It got dull when Nietzsche
started arguing about how great Germans are.
Both Nitesche and Freud seem to have understood that human beings are
irrational, but are perpetually claiming to be rational. So whenever someone
says, "My logic is better than your logic," what I hear is, "My
self-deception is better than your self-deception."
Example. I once said to a friend (call him Q) that someone I know is
foolish, and that he will marry the first woman he sleeps with. Q got
visible nervous and upset, and said, "What's wrong with marrying the first
woman you sleep with?"
This was how I knew that Q had married the first woman he slept with.
Naturally, Q had many valid, sane, and decent arguments as to why doing so is
perfectly okay. But of course the reason he was making the argument was
because he had done the very thing he was arguing for.
For some reason I was thinking about this today. And it occured to me that
our logic is almost always used to defend an action we have already taken.
Because, "logically", whatever we have already done must be morally correct
-- why else would we have allowed ourselves to take that action? Ha.
To sum up: people suck.
Flying Naked People
Nikolaus Maack wrote in message
<0001HW.BC6FEEF9...@news1.on.sympatico.ca>...
>And it occured to me that
>our logic is almost always used to defend an action we have already taken.
>Because, "logically", whatever we have already done must be morally correct
>-- why else would we have allowed ourselves to take that action? Ha.
What will occur to you, when you discover logic is used to defend actions
that have -not- been taken? Or when you discover people don't use logic at
all in their actions? Or when you discover that people, like Paul, have no
morals to defend via logic?
>To sum up: people suck.
Is that conclusion reflective of actions you've already taken?
> Nik
>http://www.nikart.ca
>
Thur
"Nikolaus Maack" <nikm...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BC6FEEF9...@news1.on.sympatico.ca...
How can we communicate with each other if we are in fact communicating
with mask to mask?
Thur
Nikolaus Maack
(in message <104l797...@corp.supernews.com>):
> What will occur to you, when you discover logic is used to defend actions
> that have -not- been taken?
Logic, for the most part, is a useful tool for proving that the thing I
already did, or the thing I've already decided to do, makes sense.
> Or when you discover people don't use logic at
> all in their actions?
"Logic" is the name people give to the shabby-reasoning-clothes they wear to
hide their nudity.
> Or when you discover that people, like Paul, have no
> morals to defend via logic?
Morality is what happens when someone decides their shabby-reasoning-clothes
should be the latest fashion, and worn by everyone.
>> To sum up: people suck.
>
> Is that conclusion reflective of actions you've already taken?
I saw a man sucking his fingers on the bus yesterday. He couldn't stop, and
looked very upset about something. I suspect he was mentally handicapped, as
he wore his bus pass around his neck on a string. Does that count?
Tran Chewla
nikm...@sympatico.ca says...
>I saw a man sucking his fingers on the bus yesterday. He couldn't stop, and
>looked very upset about something. I suspect he was mentally handicapped, as
>he wore his bus pass around his neck on a string. Does that count?
>
> Nik
>http://www.nikart.ca
>
Are you suggesting that only the
mentally handicapped suck? It seems
obvious to me that since both of you
were on the same bus, there is great
significance in that fact!
Lauri Levanto
a good reason and the real one.
-lauri
Chris
headers so they would be easy to kill file. I thought it was a good idea, so
there they are).
It's useful to think about newsgroups as very public places, like a mall.
Now what would you (or anyone) do, if they saw a woman stamping her feet,
yelling "retard" , "defective", "cock sucker" or "faggot" at someone? Just
how impressed would you be with that person's actions? How likely would you
be to take her word as serious, or how willing to even buy her artwork? (Ask
the legions of lurkers you say are writing you all the time)
What's much more interesting is your desire for the killing of the "other",
in whatever form it takes - whether it's people of a different political
party, or different political leanings; or people who are intellectually
challenged, or people who have a different sexual orientation. And it
becomes fascinating when taken in the context of Nilgeanism, both as a
driving force, and as an underlying cause.
What's Nilgeanism?, you might ask.In response to debate, it's stuffing your
fingers in your ears, and babbling (or in your case, screeching) endlessly
when challenged. In Nilges case, it's in cowering when your true colors are
raised. But underlying it is a culture of cowardice; a fear of stepping into
the shoes of the "other", a revulsion towards people whose circumstances -
and in particular "birth" circumstances like race, age, intellect, innate
sexuality - are beyond their own control and different from your own.
That fear of the other is born into all of us; one can think of it as the
herd instinct, or the animal nature of us all, But human beings have a tool
to rise above it - which is reason. You give up the use of that facility;
you turn your back on your humanity. Look at Nik; he seems to think giving
up on reason is a good thing; so he's left drawing bad verbal pictures of a
passing stranger on a bus. For him some one who doesn't look quite right
isn't worth knowing; isn't worth discovering; just someone to put in a box,
sort of a "Look what I found, ewwww" phenomenon. For you, it's someone worth
killing.I'd posit there's not a big step between those two attitudes, but
that's another thread.
But for both of you, the loss is yours. When you push away people whose
existence challenges yours, and your notions of order, you are simply
narrowing your field of vision. And without vision, there's no art. Just
desexed Barbie and Ken dolls, with wings.
Cheers;
Chris
"Flying Naked People" <http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm> wrote in
message news:104keat...@corp.supernews.com...
Flying Naked People
>headers so they would be easy to kill file. I thought it was a good idea,
so
>there they are).
I'm removing them. Therefore your attempt on this end was absolutely
useless.
>It's useful to think about newsgroups as very public places, like a mall.
>Now what would you (or anyone) do, if they saw a woman stamping her feet,
Who's stomping? Senility getting to you again?
>yelling "retard" , "defective", "cock sucker" or "faggot" at someone?
Need I point out your use racial slurs? Does your retarded senility exempt
you from being a blatant hypocrite?
>Just
>how impressed would you be with that person's actions? How likely would you
>be to take her word as serious, or how willing to even buy her artwork?
(Ask
>the legions of lurkers you say are writing you all the time)
LOL - My words here affect absolutely **nothing**. The sooner you realize
the "world" is not trapped in r.a.f, (as you're trapped in Canada), the
better off you'll be. What a last grasp a morality you're exhibiting. Why
don't you encase yourself in a sealed glass box - I'm sure the critics would
be interested in this display you're showing.
>What's much more interesting is your desire for the killing of the "other",
>in whatever form it takes - whether it's people of a different political
>party, or different political leanings; or people who are intellectually
>challenged, or people who have a different sexual orientation.
I DARE you to quote where I said, "I Want To Kill..." (whoever). You see,
this is why you simply should not be allowed to speak. You are never
correct. You can't read. You can't be precise. You can't tell the truth. You
can't be direct. You can't properly follow up. You can't display facts. You
can't do much of anything but exaggerate dust! You know what kind of people
do that, Chris?
RETARDS
>And it
>becomes fascinating when taken in the context of Nilgeanism, both as a
>driving force, and as an underlying cause.
>
>What's Nilgeanism?, you might ask.In response to debate, it's stuffing your
>fingers in your ears, and babbling (or in your case, screeching) endlessly
>when challenged. In Nilges case, it's in cowering when your true colors are
>raised.
What's it called when you can't produce FACTS, retard? Oh, I see. It's
called WHINING. I hear retards do that a LOT.
And I'm sorry, you (apparently) aren't intelligent to decipher what Edward
is saying. That's why you call it babbling - or cowering. If you had 1/2 a
brain, you would know Edward speaks the truth. Is his vocabulary too
difficult for you? Get a damn dictionary. Don't know what books he's talking
about? Go to the damn library. You have no excuse --not-- to grasp Edwards
speech other than your exemplary retardation.
>But underlying it is a culture of cowardice
Like how you cower and refuse to answer my challenges of your obvious
racism. Oh. Gee. Wow.
>a fear of stepping into
>the shoes of the "other"
I don't want to be a retard, retard.
> a revulsion towards people whose circumstances -
>and in particular "birth" circumstances like race
Which (Yes, I know, I need to remind you) you equate with mental illness.
You know, people like you make me SICK. You constantly compare race to
illness, mental incapacity, or the CHOICE of homosexuality. By making that
comparison, you are equating race to nature's defects. Do you have any
inclination of how STUPID that makes you look? Esp. when people of races
other than your own surpass your pseudo-intellect with flying colors! Is
that the real problem here, retard? You feel threatened? So threatened that
you want to bring down the entire human species with your sorry ass?
Of course you don't - you're retarded.
> age
Hey, if you're old - you're old. Give up the game to the younger crowd -
You're fucking it up for the rest of us!
> intellect
You don't have any of that!
> innate
>sexuality
Hey, Retard! Did you know that every day, people CHOOSE who to fuck? There's
no innate sexuality. So if you can't figure out what your private parts are
for, then there is something seriously wrong with you.
>- are beyond their own control and different from your own.
This is bullshit retard speak that simply doesn't fly in the face of those
with a working brain. What's your astrological sign? Piss and moaner?
Excuses, Excuses?
I can confidently say that the downfall of all normalcy is the fault of you
and any one that encouraged your growth.
>That fear of the other is born into all of us; one can think of it as the
>herd instinct, or the animal nature of us all, But human beings have a tool
>to rise above it - which is reason.
That which I have challenged you to give, and you fail every single time.
>You give up the use of that facility;
But you're not intelligent enough to recognize reason even if it were shoved
up your ass, Chris. I have repeatedly asked you to support the piss and
moans you make on this NG, but you refuse to do it - because you **can't**
do it!
>you turn your back on your humanity.
I point out it's flaws, and like you, your kind resorts to piss and moan and
talk about how we should all join arms in a big homosexual group hug while
using racial slurs in public. What a crock of shit!
>Look at Nik; he seems to think giving
>up on reason is a good thing; so he's left drawing bad verbal pictures of a
>passing stranger on a bus. For him some one who doesn't look quite right
>isn't worth knowing; isn't worth discovering; just someone to put in a box,
>sort of a "Look what I found, ewwww" phenomenon. For you, it's someone
worth
>killing.I'd posit there's not a big step between those two attitudes, but
>that's another thread.
Well since you're so concerned, why don't you just hop on the bus, tongue
kiss the guy, and call him a nigger!
>But for both of you, the loss is yours.
Nope. There's that flawed incapable reasoning of yours again. YOUR loss is
MY gain, Retard.
>When you push away people whose
>existence challenges yours
You make my life (and the life of intelligent people) difficult. Your point?
>, and your notions of order, you are simply
>narrowing your field of vision.
Ironically which allows me to see you for the gay bigot that you are. How
sweet.
>And without vision, there's no art.
Yes, we've seen your work.
>Just
>desexed Barbie and Ken dolls, with wings.
Better than massacred models! Speaking of Freud, let's investigate why you
CHOOSE to draw your figures with blood red pencils. Why are your figures
drawn with skin so deflated they look sick and ill with disease? Why do you
CHOOSE to make AIDS and death an art form? Why do your figures have decrepit
and misshapen bodies? Some of the look so bloated I wonder when the maggots
are going to explode out! Why do you draw faces as if they've been burnt and
melted with fire? Why don't your figures have their limbs attached and what
did you do with the body parts you left out? Why is it when I show people
your website, they whisper, "I see dead people." Why are you exploiting what
happens to the human body after it's been left out in the rain for weeks?
Where are you keeping these dead bodies, Chris? Are *you* killing your
models and then drawing them? What is the phone number to your police
department. I believe they're looking in all the wrong places for the
murdered - they're obviously in your artwork.
>Cheers;
Hypocrite retard.
Nikolaus Maack
(in message <404B61F6...@netti.fi>):
> Everu action has two reasons
> a good reason and the real one.
> -lauri
Thank you. Nicely summed up.
I bought three paint brushes and a tub of "unbleached titantium" white
acrylic paint. The brushes were on sale -- 50% off at Wallacks. Who can
resist that?
I have three paintings I have yet to add to my website. Been busy and lazy
at the same time. I look forward to Mani telling me they suck.
Dilettante
> (not - Someone suggested adding the appropriate initials to the above
> headers so they would be easy to kill file. I thought it was a good idea, so
> there they are).
>
But let's not use this ng for your budding attempts at being a writer.
Nor are you the leader of men you think yourself to be. For that you
have to be not only tactful but wise.
Dilettante