Good news! The oil painting teacher is good!
Richard
I've become somewhat fed up with having a modern art lover for a
teacher. Colors are just about all she talks about! Yea, colors are
important, but there's a lot more to REAL painting than just colors.
In addition, I learned WAY more about color theory from a great book I
recently bought than from her. I was thinking I'm not going to take
any more painting classes if I have to keep putting up with this
infernal bullshit. Painting materials are very expensive, and I'm not
going to pay all this money just to waste my time with nonsense. So I
decided to find out what the oil painting teacher is like. Someone
told me he's a good teacher and he's into classical painting
techniques. THANK GOD! Now I can go ahead and take 3 semesters of oil
painting like I was planning to. From now on I am going to pre-screen
all my art teachers. I'm going to find out about them before I take
any of their classes. I will avoid the modern art freaks like the
plague, because they are so full of shit and they teach almost
nothing. They spend most of their time uttering bullshit!
By the way, in Life Drawing class, I told another student that I hate
modern art. My teacher overheard this and he said loudly, "YOU WHAT?!
You're in trouble kiddo!" Then he said jokingly, "You should learn
about all kinds of art so that you can know why you hate modern art
and you can hate it with gusto."
I think maybe I will start letting all my art teachers know I hate
modern art, because basically no one speaks up about it. They need to
know there are significant numbers of people who think it is all a big
hoax and resent not being taught proper skills. I think I definitely
will start speaking up in my beginning painting class, and I will do
it not in private, but in front of the entire class during lectures
and critiques. I think the validity of modern art is something that
should be debated rather than swallowed whole by the students. My
painting teacher will have to defend modern art successfully or else
look like a fool in front of the whole class, because I'm tired of
this shit.
I'm tired of letting her get away with so many disgusting comments
unchallenged. The shit is going to hit the fan now.
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Jim Pennington
If you want to learn classical painting techniques, go to the library
and check out books. Go to the museum and study paintings. Study the
masters. draw all the time, everything. Do gesture drawings, copy the
drawings of Michelangelo, leonardo da vinci, sargent, pontormo, thomas
eakins, durer, pierre prud'hon, etc. In a few years of serious study of
what makes a drawing more than just a rendering, start painting. Paint
from the ebuche to completion, just as it has been done for centuries.
If you want to learn classical painting, draw.
Everything is based on your ability to draw what you see. You can
learn all the glazing, color theory, oil mixtures, etc; but if you can't
draw then you'll make technically proficient crap.
I said this to you before you started classes. If you want to revolt
against everything you are taught then you shouldn't go to school. You
go to a community college. Community colleges are for people who want a
degree in something. If you continue to make an ass of yourself to
your instructors they WILL fail you. you will waste your money, have no
degree to show for it, have learned nothing, and will have a bunch of
crappy sketches of nothing in particular that will be useless.
My advice to you is to find an undergraduate program like the program
that is offered at the Graduate School Of Figurative Art in new york.
offhand I don't know of any. look into it.
better yet, work as an apprentice in the studio of a wildly
successful traditional painter. We all are looking for someone with your
sensibilities and ambitions. You need skills to back it up.
Draw from life day and night incessantly.
you don't need a degree to be successful as a fine artist. you need
skill. skill comes from drawing from life.
Richard
On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:27:35 -0600 (CST), jimi...@webtv.net (Jim
Pennington) wrote:
>I don't know why you are going to school at all.
Well I have some reasons, but I'm starting to wonder if I should
continue with it. Right now, the best thing is I get to draw live nude
models, and the class cost me only $30 and not too much money for
materials, because I'm using mostly the materials I already bought for
a drawing class last summer.
> If you want to learn classical painting techniques, go to the library
>and check out books. Go to the museum and study paintings. Study the
>masters. draw all the time, everything. Do gesture drawings, copy the
>drawings of Michelangelo, leonardo da vinci, sargent, pontormo, thomas
>eakins, durer, pierre prud'hon, etc. In a few years of serious study of
>what makes a drawing more than just a rendering, start painting. Paint
>from the ebuche to completion, just as it has been done for centuries.
> If you want to learn classical painting, draw.
> Everything is based on your ability to draw what you see. You can
>learn all the glazing, color theory, oil mixtures, etc; but if you can't
>draw then you'll make technically proficient crap.
I'm doing those sorts of things already. I recently bought over 20
books on art instruction, including figure drawing and anatomy books,
and some other drawing books, as well as many painting books. I bought
the best books I could find, and I think they're very good. Right now
I have a homework assignment to copy (not trace) drawings by the old
masters.
> I said this to you before you started classes. If you want to revolt
>against everything you are taught then you shouldn't go to school. You
>go to a community college. Community colleges are for people who want a
>degree in something. If you continue to make an ass of yourself to
>your instructors they WILL fail you. you will waste your money, have no
>degree to show for it, have learned nothing, and will have a bunch of
>crappy sketches of nothing in particular that will be useless.
I'm getting mostly A's right now. I don't think college is a total
loss yet. I haven't given up on it yet. And yea, I would like a
degree, mostly for personal reasons. I like the other classes besides
art classes and I like mingling with the other students. I haven't
made much of an ass of myself yet. I'm looking for tactful,
constructive ways to get my point accross to the teachers I have a
problem with.
> My advice to you is to find an undergraduate program like the program
>that is offered at the Graduate School Of Figurative Art in new york.
> offhand I don't know of any. look into it.
> better yet, work as an apprentice in the studio of a wildly
>successful traditional painter. We all are looking for someone with your
>sensibilities and ambitions. You need skills to back it up.
Sounds interesting. Is it expensive? Are there any in the Los Angeles
county area?
> Draw from life day and night incessantly.
>
>you don't need a degree to be successful as a fine artist. you need
>skill. skill comes from drawing from life.
I have started doing this. I've been drawing the people in my
Sociology class. The teacher is a nice guy and he doesn't seem to
mind. All he does is lecture, so my hands are free to draw during the
class, which is 4 hours long.