TRANSFORMATIONS: Very unique digital gallery update
xform1
infos on the site
http://geocities.yahoo.com/Soho/Exhibit/5782
Comments and open discussion welcome.
thanks --Harvey
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Erik Johnson
> Come see TRANSFORMATIONS GALLERY...
> infos on the site
>
> http://geocities.yahoo.com/Soho/Exhibit/5782
>
> Comments and open discussion welcome.
> thanks --Harvey
If care anything for your work (which is certainly interesting), Ditch
geocities
as quickly as you can! Their license agreement gives them full rights
to take,
reuse and SELL your content.
See http://www.sitepowerup.com/boycottyahoo/boycottyahoo.htm
for more details.
Erik Johnson
er...@edj.net
www.edj.net
Farlo
>
> Come see TRANSFORMATIONS GALLERY...
> infos on the site
>
> http://geocities.yahoo.com/Soho/Exhibit/5782
>
> Comments and open discussion welcome.
> thanks --Harvey
Firstly, I strongly recommend reading the newly-revised Yahoo/Geocities
user policy. Read the part where they give themselves the right to use
your artwork however they see fit - without your permission.
Secondly, abstract art does nothing for me.
Farlo
xf...@my-deja.com
The new (and I hope permanent) site is
http://www2.crosswinds.net/~xform
The reason is very simple: the Yahoo/Geocites TOS
debacle and Yahoo's arrogant, ineffectual response
just pushed things over the edge for me.
You can visit the old site for more details
it has been "haunted"
thanx and hope you enjoy the new site
--Harvey
xform at crosswinds dot net
Transformations Digital Gallery
http://www2.crosswinds.net/~xform
xf...@my-deja.com
Farlo <stan...@abac.com> wrote:
> xform1 wrote:
> >
> > Come see TRANSFORMATIONS GALLERY...
> > infos on the site
> >
> > http://geocities.yahoo.com/Soho/Exhibit/5782
> >
> > Comments and open discussion welcome.
> > thanks --Harvey
>
> Firstly, I strongly recommend reading the newly-revised
Yahoo/Geocities
> user policy. Read the part where they give themselves the right to use
> your artwork however they see fit - without your permission.
>
You're too slow. I responded a couple of days ago by removing
the site in protest.
More recently, Yahoo! has made a first, positive step in settling
this matter. http://docs.yahoo.com/docs/info/toshelp.html
They have put a link to this in plain sight on the Geocities page.
If only they can make this legally binding and insert it into
the TOS proper, I will consider moving my site back. I have a
still have a problem with one of the new "terms" (allowing Yahoo! to
change compression formats, especially if it allows them to
change from lossless to lossy). It is more a matter of principle
right now, but it may matter when JPEG-2000 or an EZW-based scheme
becomes standard.
Right now, please note the change of address.
--Harvey
xform at crosswinds dot net
Transformations Digital Gallery
http//www2.crosswinds.net/~xform
Chris
xf...@my-deja.com wrote:
> IMore recently, Yahoo! has made a first, positive step in settling
> this matter. http://docs.yahoo.com/docs/info/toshelp.html
>
> They have put a link to this in plain sight on the Geocities page.
>
> If only they can make this legally binding and insert it into
> the TOS proper, I will consider moving my site back. I have a
> still have a problem with one of the new "terms" (allowing Yahoo! to
> change compression formats, especially if it allows them to
> change from lossless to lossy). It is more a matter of principle
> right now, but it may matter when JPEG-2000 or an EZW-based scheme
> becomes standard.
>
I guess before anyone gets lulled back to geocities they might ask
themselves - are those who designed the ToS, and those who made the decision
to lock GeoCities users out until they accepted the ToS, still running the
show? Probably.
And while they've blathered on in their letter of intent. there is virtually
no change in the actual ToS. While some sites (like xoom) have similar
ToS's, many don't, and get along fine. You don't need to own rights to make
backups, or move materail onto related computers - you do need them in order
to adapt or modify material with out the owners permission. It also puts the
onus on you to make sure that everything you put on your site, they can
claim rights to - eg. clip art, photos of your kids, whatever. For example,
I had a link to Robert Lederman's page, with a sample of his work, which he
agreed to let me put on as long as full attribution was given. Under the new
ToS, I could no longer guarantee that. I have several musicians who would
like to put samples of their work up in MP3 or real audio - what would there
be to stop GeoCities from adapting the work to use however they want?
If I had a store in a mall, would I give the landlord rights to copy
anything he wanted to do with as he pleased? not likely....
That's why I'm taking my shop elsewhere, permanently.
Cheers (& apologies for the rant!)
Chris
my protest page: http://www.gammarat.com. It;ll be there until GeoCities
clues into the fact I've cancelled my account (twice today)....
An observation: When I was filling out the forms to login, so I could clear
out my site, there's a selection bar where you indicate what your site is
about, so they can put appropriate ads on...Guess what - there's no fine
arts; the closest being hobbies & crafts, I suppose, or business & finance.
I think it shows who Yahoo really is :)
~Artist~
I hear Yahoo! stock is falling due to this uproar on the boycott.
Here is a letter I sent several reguarding my experiences with the
tech worlds lack of arts product and copyrights experience. (Among
other goop)
> ~Artist~ wrote:
>
> > Subject:
> > PAINS! Protect Art its not Shareware
> > Date:
> > Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:25:25 -0700
> > From:
> > ~Artist~ <matt...@att.net>
> > Organization:
> > 'M'
> > To:
> > m...@aol.com
> > CC:
> > ma...@netcom.com, dgil...@sjmercury.com,
> > rcemb...@artnews.online.com,
> > arti...@artist.resource.org,
> > art...@art.week.com
> > References:
> > 1
> >
> > Dear Editor,
> >
> > It is so nice you listen.
> >
> > Long story...getting longer.
> >
> > One of the reasons I put and keep the studio in Silicon Valley is that
> > about the time my art career emerged so did the net into the artworld
> > and then the web. I could see it was all going to be visual and no one
> > knew what was going to happen.
> >
> > I especially knew and sensed growing up here an artist watching the
> > California Arts & Craft Movement from the 60 - 70's fade into the
> > recessionary 80's that the Tech Crowd has no visual clue and NO
> > absolute clue about the Art world or the business of art.
> >
> > Honey, Silicon Valley is like the third world in the arts.
> >
> > Santa Fe is like the Greeks. These Tech guys are more like the
> > caveman, no art, no clue of art, no clue how hard we work, no clue of
> > the sacrifices, and no clue on the business of art, no clue on how art
> > heals the community, no clue on the kids and the arts and the test
> > scores etc.
> >
> > Overall in the Web Visual Tech World Concept is if you like doing it,
> > why should we pay for it.
> >
> > You pay for the technology because that is valued and just put your
> > art here and we will use it. Free.
> >
> > I could see all this coming so I decided to keep my studio in Silicon
> > Valley because there are not many professional artists here. At the
> > time no one in art had a clue about the tech stuff let alone the web, let
> > alone the art.
> >
> > I just happened to have one friend who insisted I get on the usenet
> > "because you are brilliant and they will never expect you" This was
> > way before the web came on. I totally resisted the entire thing but
> > they stuck a 286 in my house and said type (which I really don't like). I am glad
> > he insisted as it
> > put me only slightly ahead of the game and I think god made it this
> > way to protect the art and artists.
> >
> > On the usenet and later the web I could see that the art world when
> > they came on the net was most likely gong to be at a disadvantage. I
> > stayed here watching learing and playing cultural icons entandric
> > poetic games on the geeks in usenet and learning about the benefits
> > and downfalls of the web for the artworld. Meow.
> >
> > As the web got visual the tech companines started asking to use my
> > art for Free and others I am sure. I got requests all the time. They
> > were saying most of the art on the web is not so hot - how about we
> > use yours! free.
> >
> > After a whole bunch of requests from huge multi billion dollar
> > corporations .... I lost my temper. Hey!! - I am in a ghetto and work
> > often with at risk kids and donate tons of my time and art. At least
> > they could have the courtsey to pay for the use of images. So I could
> > at least say....buy some more canvass to continue the process.
> >
> > Not one person in tech wants to pay for the use of images, sponsor
> > visual
> > artists etc. but they want to profit from their images and copyrights.
> >
> > Just before that Bill Gates was flying around the world trying to get
> > museums to give him their images for free etc. There was a huge
> > article in 1994 or 5 ARTNEWS check it out. About then too Carolyne
> > Cassidy Grandmother
> > BEAT stopped in SJ - a town she left because of the disrespect of
> > artists
> > here. She warned my to watch my copyrights. I told her I have a
> > great attorney but was more concerned about the rest of the
> > artworld.
> >
> > I was the first professional fine Artist in Silicon Valley with a website
> > and one of the first 50 art sites up with images. That was cool. They
> > invited me over to Silicon Graphics to show me the web and how
> > cool it was and that I should get a site. I already had a site up,
> > because of an organization we formed called the Art & Technology
> > Society International. ATSI came from usenet before the web. I was
> > the only professional or "Real Artist" as he geeks call me in the room
> > so I got elected to be first with the website.
> >
> > In time, after being inundated by corporate requests for use of art for
> > free. We put up PAINS! Protect Art It's Not Shareware! PAINS! It is
> > a little icon people can put on their sites so people know that 1. Art is
> > Business 2. Artists need to be paid for their work 3. We have
> > copyrights that we retain 4. Art is product 5. Art produces cyclic
> > economics 6. Art heals the planet 7. You have to buy art just like any
> > other product or service - just like technology 8. Technologists had
> > best develop a better sensitivity to artists and the business of art 9. It
> > is very impolite to expect artists to work for free 10. Art is what is
> > going to save the planet along with technology and it needs to be
> > respected the same way and valued at an even higher level because
> > there is less of it.
> >
> > The PAINS! debate ended up on MSNBC National Inernet News for
> > 3 weeks because I called the Geeks Cultural Illiterates. Brock Meeks
> > wrote the story - it created a huge hullabalu...longer story....because
> > of the free culture of the net. It is ok for geeks to charge but not
> > artists basically. We are supposed to put up or works for free just for
> > the marketing intent.
> >
> > (The underlying note on Brock Meeks is that a preformance artist
> > that used to hang with John Lennon who enjoys messing with the
> > egos of big press people ran a hoax with cyber punks in Berekely on
> > Brock Meeks. http://www.joeyskaggs.com see Sexonix - Brock had
> > a bone to pick then with artists and cyber punks and used me as a
> > flash point to try to set off a rift between the art & underground tech
> > world. He wrote the article to make this happen and left out 99.5%
> > of the things we discussed in the interview like the benefits of the art
> > the kids the community all the things my studio stands for after the
> > art for all the other artists - It was rather frustrating to be
> > misrepresented so blatantly. Basically a geek found Brocks
> > needle in the haystack on Joeys site and then the rest of the geeks
> > found out and apologized for being so innane with the information
> > and apologized for being wrong and harassing me over Brocks
> > misinformation. It did not really bug me as press is press and I have
> > thousands more good articles on my art and life and comitment to
> > communit than matters at this point. My missions for art &
> > community will not wavier. Art is In!)
> >
> > Back to the long story... seeing the web come up, I knew in time that
> > there would be tons of bad art on the web cause you can see it coming
> > all the time -just take a quick look at the auction sites....and that the
> > good images would become more valuable. There are way way
> > more demands for good images than the history of art can manage
> > or the good and true works of art compared to the visual demand of
> > the net. It means that technology totally out number the art and that
> > the demand for the good sutff will eventually force the price for good
> > images up.
> >
> > I also knew in time that they would start complaining about the Bad
> > art on the web because of the way the tech culture sees art. They
> > think everything made is art which is ok but there are some really
> > educated eyes in the world and in the art world.
> >
> > I knew these eyes would eventually speak up on how bad the art on
> > the web is and those eyes are speaking up... as I have just started to
> > see these complaints surface on the usenet (after 7 year on the net
> > and now 4.5 years after the web came up as visual) about how the
> > bad most o f the art is on the web. It was just a matter of time. Sure
> > there is good art there but you really have to dig to find it.
> >
> > Anyway, today I am informed that they are boycotting Yahoo! and
> > Geocities for their abuse of the website, art and content and
> > copyright contracts (see the site). This information on the Yahoo
> > Geocities Boycott just reinforced my vision and I feel it is time to help
> > their boycott campaign by resurrecting the PAINS! Campaign along
> > with the boycott. People are familiar with PAINS! and it will help the
> > Yahoo! Geocities Boycotts to prevent the misuse of the art and
> > explitation of the artists and their copyrights and content. I want to
> > stop the abuses before it becomes trend and the artworld looses out.
> >
> > I would check out the article by Brock Meeks if you search Mattison
> > Fitzgerald on Alta Vista it will come up. I would check out the boycott
> > site I sent you and I would get notes out to the art world on the
> > Boycott and the PAINS! Campaign. As these are the only Boycott icon images
> > existing currently to being awareness to both the art & technology
> > world of the abuses of artists and the greed that exists in the tech
> > world and the deception realted to the use of images.
> >
> > Thank you so much for taking time to understand this complex
> > disreguard for the artists and the art world.
> >
> > For a moment I thought Yahoo! was getting a clue - I mailed them
> > way back in 1994 to get an art button it only took them 3 years to do
> > it.
> >
> > Now I get this boycott stuff so my image of their progress falls
> > behind Bill Gates - Thank God the MOMA threw Gates out and the
> > tight ethics of the museum community taught him a lesson. It is time
> > the rest of the artworld teach the tech world another lesson as it
> > appears they did not learn from Gates big blow out. So we again
> > whip up the PAINS! in support of the Yahoo! Geocities Boycott.
> >
> > The geeks try to say that I do not understand sharware. Well and
> > good but the campaign is not about them it is about the art. The 'S'
> > fit the PAINS! and it is more a message of abuse in the arts of
> > technology and that artists are not going to give their works away
> > for free just because technology is pressuring them.
> >
> > Mattison Fitzgerald
> > Artist
> > http://www.rhinodev.com/M
> > Pains! Protect Art It's No Shareware!
> > http://www.sitepowerup.com/boycottyahoo/boycottyahoo.htm
> > Art is IN! Boycott Yahoo!
> > ma...@netcom.com for your PAINS! logo!
> > "Get Out of My Way!"
> > cro...@hotmail.com
> >
> > m...@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi: I don't quie understand your e-mail. elucidate please. best, guy cross at
> > > the magazine - Santa Fe, New Mexico