copper colour
Niall
How do you mix copper colours
TIA
niall
Newt Gray
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>Hi all
>
>How do you mix copper colours
How 'coppery' do you want it to look?
You can buy 'real copper' paint.
As for 'how to' lessons on the subject,
browse through John Hagen's lesson
plan on this web site. John used to be
a regular contributor to this newsgroup,
but like many of the knowledgeable who
had so much to offer, I suppose he's
been run off by all the 'garbage minds'
who have virtually taken over this forum:
http://www.geocities.com/~jlhagan/lessons/mainmenu.htm
Tina Mammoser
As for copper, Niall, you might want to look for a iron oxide pigment
paint. It might have another name but if you look at the pigment listed
on the back it will be an iron oxide. That is a nice deep burnt copper
type colour. (but not metallic of course)
Other than that I would make a copper look by glazing layers of
different shades of iron oxide, perhaps an orange, burnt sienna, and
such. Rather than think of it as a single colour.
Tina.
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available in powdered pigment, and have used them in acrylic painting,
either adding them to tubed irridescent paints, or just to medium. I
suppose you could use them with oils as well.
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Paul Mesken
<aTAKEcaTHIS...@iol.ie> wrote:
>Hi all
>
>How do you mix copper colours
>
I guess you mean how to paint a copper object. This is not done by
using a single color nor is there something like a "skin color" which
would make anything painted with it magically look like it's skin.
I have a copper kettle right here (I should paint it someday). It's
made of both yellow and red copper and has a fair amount of bumps.
There certainly is a "base color" but in metals it's all about
reflections, that's what makes them look like metals. You need to get
the reflections right in order to make something look like metal.
Reflections come in many different types. Copper is not like chrome
for instance. Chrome works like a mirror and reflects everything
around it faithfully. Observe how those fancy "chrome" letters are
often rendered sky blue on the upper half and brownish black on the
lower half, this is because chrome is often seen on car's bumpers and
they reflect the sky up above and the road below. People are used to
see chrome this way so one could paint it like this even if the chrome
object is indoors (although that would break realism ofcourse but it
would be obvious to the observer she's looking at a chrome object).
It's absolutely essential to have a copper object around for reference
(I've lots of junk purely for reference).
The highlights on my copper kettle (on the red copper part) are not
white (the hue of the light bouncing off from it) but a very light
orange. It reflects objects quite coarsely (because it's a bumpy
kettle with quite some wear) and all reflected colors are somewhat
more orange than the original. The parts of the kettle that don't
reflect much are a brown which can be made from orange (I would go for
Irgazine yellow for this one, it's a very orange yellow) and black (or
a very dark umber, I like to use Cyprus Umber as a softer replacement
for black). However, there seems to be a violet cast over the light,
reflectant parts of the lower part of the kettle (and not in the upper
parts, perhaps a result of the fire underneath it). Small dents don't
seem to reflect the surroundings anymore and have colors like oil in
water (blues, greens), they don't really disrupt the overall tone so
even though they're a different hue, they should be of the same tone
(more or less). This are details that need to be taken in
consideration. There's a lot more to tell about my kettle but you
really should take a look at one yourself.
The above is hardly any recipe for a copper color but that's my point.
To a painter copper is not a color but an effect, pulled off with the
use of colors. Not a color in isolation but colors working together in
terms of contrasts of light, hue, etc. to deliver the same effect as
observed in copper objects. If I would use brown all over then I would
end up with a brown kettle. If I would throw white highlights on it
then I would have a brown, plastic kettle.
Take a look at this :
http://www.frontieramericatrading.com/images/C0231CopperPot.jpg
Ignore the white highlight, it's obviously the flashlight and my own
copper kettle doesn't do white highlights. As you can see there is not
one color but many. Also check out the corrosion, it looks like
another material simply because it doesn't reflect light the same way
the shiny parts do.
This is something else :
http://www.antiques-online.uk.com/00728.jpg
Personally I don't like this one although it is copper. It looks far
too much like silver to me (apart from the color ofcourse).
If you don't have something of copper around then you can get this
kind of images the same way I got them by going to google and search
for images (these 2 were amongst the results of a search for "copper"
and "kettle").
Observe your subject closely, it's not a single color that makes it
look like copper (as a matter of fact, you could practicly do it in
any color). It is a particular interplay of colors that pulls off the
effect. Observe things like the highlights, are they like sharp
pinpoints of high intensity and of the same color as the light or are
they large and blurry with a mix of the color of the light and the
material mixed? How do tonal contrasts work in the object? Is there a
lot of difference between light and shadow? Do the light parts have a
different color than the shadow parts? Are surroundings reflected in
it and how are they changed? etc.etc. Such questions are important to
answer in your painting since they are the clues that tell the
observer that she is looking at a copper object.
The best way to learn to paint copper is from making a lot of studies
of copper objects you have. In this process you'll learn what it is
that makes something look like copper. Once you've mastered it you
will have little problems painting it from imagination. It's also
quite rewarding since people like to see such textural effects
rendered effectively.
Niall
Thanks for your "pearls"
The question arises from a painting I am doing
were a girl has dyed dark brown hair with reddy tones
The light catches her hair at the front and while studying
it I could only describe it as copper/bronze
I think a few glazes may be the way forward
I did not want to use copper paint as such
as I feel it would not teach me anything
Many thanks
Niall
Paul Mesken <usu...@euronet.nl> wrote in message
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Newt Gray
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>Hi all
>
>Thanks for your "pearls"
>
>The question arises from a painting I am doing
>were a girl has dyed dark brown hair with reddy tones
HAIR is NOT METALLIC (COPPER)!!!!!!!
I don't know why people posting here can't
be more specific when they ask a question.
To ask this forum to describe "how to paint
copper colours" and then toss the advice back in the
face of the poster who goes to great lengths
to answer the wrong question is grossly inconsiderate!
I for one will certainly be more careful in replying
to your posts in future.
Lauren Foster-MacLeod
Agreed. Keep it to the KISS format (Keep It Simple, Stupid); ie. be CLEAR
in what you request.
IE: Seeking advice in how to paint coppery-coloured hair (specifically,
dyed dark brown with reddy tones).
Lauren
Chris
"Lauren Foster-MacLeod" <dz...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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> IE: Seeking advice in how to paint coppery-coloured hair (specifically,
> dyed dark brown with reddy tones).
>
Oh, that's easy, Lauren, just use copper colored paint :)
Chris
(BTW, Jax - if you don't believe hair can be metallic copper, then you must
not have teenagers hanging around the house).
Paul Mesken
You have teenagers hanging around your house? Man, you're so lucky, I
wish I were you. That is : if they are female teenagers of the
opposite sex ofcourse, I'm not some kind of sicko ;-)
Chris
LOL -alas for you no, Paul. And my son is just barely a teen, so he's still
at the stage where the only girls around the house are ones that can
skateboard or ride stuntbikes; he's saving the other stuff till he gets
older (Maybe when he's around 30, I hope :)
And BTW - of ypu've ever had teenage girls around the house, you'd
understand why this one had to be a boy. It's nice to have access to the
bathroom occassionally, for starters.
Chris
Newt Gray
says...
>(BTW, Jax - if you don't believe hair can be metallic copper, then you must
>not have teenagers hanging around the house).
You're absolutely correct on that last score!
That doesn't mean I'm ignorant of teens and
their hair styles though. But I'd approach
painting "copper colored" hair a lot differently
than I'd approach painting something made of
actual copper, although maybe kids are wearing
fake hair made of copper too!
FYI, My own hair is PURE SILVER!
And what's more, it's all MY OWN! As are
my PEARLY WHITES! Well, okay, they are more
copper colored than pearly, I admit. All those
years of tobacco staining, donchaknow.
Time to do another self-portrait I guess, and take on
the challenge of painting PURE SILVER hair.
Maybe I'll be asking for advice on 'how to' do it...
Paul Mesken
wrote:
>In article <GVIja.1303$UA6.1...@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>, n...@this.address
>says...
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>
>>(BTW, Jax - if you don't believe hair can be metallic copper, then you must
>>not have teenagers hanging around the house).
>
>You're absolutely correct on that last score!
>
>That doesn't mean I'm ignorant of teens and
>their hair styles though. But I'd approach
>painting "copper colored" hair a lot differently
>than I'd approach painting something made of
>actual copper, although maybe kids are wearing
>fake hair made of copper too!
>
>FYI, My own hair is PURE SILVER!
What are you waiting for? Sell it! ;-)
>And what's more, it's all MY OWN! As are
>my PEARLY WHITES! Well, okay, they are more
>copper colored than pearly, I admit. All those
>years of tobacco staining, donchaknow.
>
>Time to do another self-portrait I guess, and take on
>the challenge of painting PURE SILVER hair.
>Maybe I'll be asking for advice on 'how to' do it...
It reflects the sky up above faithfully, don't forget that big
highlight which is the sun ;-)
NightMist
wrote:
*Pouncing on an oppourtunity*
You want a teen age daughter?
How about one that just turned 20?
I've been hoping that she would meet "somebody nice". She keeps
blowing off the med students, the buisnessmen etc, and bringing home
unemployed laborers and pizza delivery boys (nothing wrong with that
in theory, but none of them want to grow up to be _anything_).
Specs: 5'9", waist length blonde hair, blue eyes, 38-29-39, multiply
pierced and tattooed, employed. I'll give you a good price!
Barbara
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everybody is somebodys chew toy
Paul Mesken
wrote:
LOL! Sorry but I have a very strong aversion against tattoes, body
paint and piercings (as a matter of fact : I can hardly utter the
words). Very wrong allergy to have in these times, I should travel
back to the early 80s :-(
Niall
Maybe you could have answered the question
quicker than it took you to rant at me
Im sure that there are traditional painters who
manipulate "copperish" colours without metallics
(as described by tina - many thanks)
Dear all:
I apologise for the vagueness
Dear Paul:
Thank you for replying elaborately
(It was very educational for me anyway - it always is!)
Dear Newt:
I now feel forever incomplete now
that my posts are in your blacklist
Niall
(rarely misleading)
COME BACK FOX!
Newt Gray <gra...@noemailever.com> wrote in message
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Newt Gray
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>Well, Excuse me!! I am but human
Aren't we all. Some moreso that others,
fortunately. We can only hope that
most of us are big enough to learn from our
mistakes - and willing to admit them.
>Dear Newt:
>I now feel forever incomplete now
>that my posts are in your blacklist
Not blacklisted - yet - if by that you
mean 'killfiled.' I reserve that for
those juvenile-minded name-calling
obnoxious individuals with seemingly
HUGE inferiority complexes who post here.
Paul Mesken
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>In article <b6rei8$gs0$1...@kermit.esat.net>, aTAKEcaTHIS...@iol.ie
>says...
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>>Well, Excuse me!! I am but human
>
>Aren't we all. Some moreso that others,
>fortunately. We can only hope that
>most of us are big enough to learn from our
>mistakes - and willing to admit them.
Most of us? That requires a major stretch of imagination ;-)
>>Dear Newt:
>>I now feel forever incomplete now
>>that my posts are in your blacklist
>
>Not blacklisted - yet - if by that you
>mean 'killfiled.' I reserve that for
>those juvenile-minded name-calling
>obnoxious individuals with seemingly
>HUGE inferiority complexes who post here.
Hehe, I had a number of regulars in my killfile for a week, just to
see how r.a.f. looked like. It seemed far more on topic to me, perhaps
I should throw them in again :-)
Flying_Naked_People
Pick up a clean penny. Shine it up copy the colors you see on the coin: brown,
dark red, orange, and pink. Oops. Yellow too.
That's all I can suggest.
Niall <aTAKEcaTHIS...@iol.ie> wrote in article
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: Well, Excuse me!! I am but human
:
: Maybe you could have answered the question
: quicker than it took you to rant at me
:
: Im sure that there are traditional painters who
: manipulate "copperish" colours without metallics
: (as described by tina - many thanks)
:
: Dear all:
: I apologise for the vagueness
:
: Dear Paul:
: Thank you for replying elaborately
: (It was very educational for me anyway - it always is!)
:
: Dear Newt:
: I now feel forever incomplete now
: that my posts are in your blacklist
:
: Niall
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: >
: >
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Dr. Slick
>
> >>Dear Newt:
> >>I now feel forever incomplete now
> >>that my posts are in your blacklist
> >
> >Not blacklisted - yet - if by that you
> >mean 'killfiled.' I reserve that for
> >those juvenile-minded name-calling
> >obnoxious individuals with seemingly
> >HUGE inferiority complexes who post here.
>
> Hehe, I had a number of regulars in my killfile for a week, just to
> see how r.a.f. looked like. It seemed far more on topic to me, perhaps
> I should throw them in again :-)
You mean Newt can read what i'm writing? thank god!
"juvenile-minded name-calling"... Pot calling the kettle black?
Slick
Erik A. Mattila
>>>Dear Newt:
>>>I now feel forever incomplete now
>>>that my posts are in your blacklist
>>
>>Not blacklisted - yet - if by that you
>>mean 'killfiled.' I reserve that for
>>those juvenile-minded name-calling
>>obnoxious individuals with seemingly
>>HUGE inferiority complexes who post here.
>
>
> Hehe, I had a number of regulars in my killfile for a week, just to
> see how r.a.f. looked like. It seemed far more on topic to me, perhaps
> I should throw them in again :-)
Paul, speaking of "on topic," you're acting a bit like an "error or
emission" yourself! (Sorry, I couldn't resist. oPUNtunity only strikes
once) :-0
Paul Mesken
Well Erik I would like to uphold topicallity in all my posts but half
of the time I seem to be busy keeping you on topic ;-)
Erik A. Mattila
>>>Hehe, I had a number of regulars in my killfile for a week, just to
>>>see how r.a.f. looked like. It seemed far more on topic to me, perhaps
>>>I should throw them in again :-)
>>
>>
>>Paul, speaking of "on topic," you're acting a bit like an "error or
>>emission" yourself! (Sorry, I couldn't resist. oPUNtunity only strikes
>>once) :-0
>
>
> Well Erik I would like to uphold topicallity in all my posts but half
> of the time I seem to be busy keeping you on topic ;-)
An exercise in futility, Paul. I approach ng expository writing like
James Joyce approached Ulysses 8-)