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Nik Maack

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Jul 13, 2002, 3:07:55 PM7/13/02
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I painted this one in September 2001, but only recently got around to
stealing it back from a friend of mine and scanning it for the web.
It's an acrylic on canvas face named "Vlad".

http://www.nikart.com/newer/57.html

I can't remember who Vlad is.

Comments welcome -- even stupid ones from Mon Sune.

By the way, I'm ALWAYS interested in seeing what my fellow artist types
are up to. Do any of you have new art you wanna show off? Please post
about it!

Nik
http://www.nikart.com

Gladys Canby

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Jul 13, 2002, 7:38:09 PM7/13/02
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In article <3D3099A7...@islandnet.com>, mwel...@islandnet.com says...

>> Comments welcome -- even stupid ones from Mon Sune.
>

>Mon Sune is now Gladys

Matters not what name one assumes, you still
have to deal with the Niks of the world.
Nik seems to have joined Keith in his denigration
of my input, so I will henceforth refrain from
offering any to the over-egotistical Nikeith factions.
Along with Mani the Great, they will forever be
ignored by this persistent presence...

Marylin - I still love you!


mdeli

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Jul 13, 2002, 8:51:30 PM7/13/02
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On 13 Jul 2002 16:38:09 -0700, gla...@noemailever.com (Gladys Canby)
In an article titled Some Exquisite Picassos That Aren't as Well Known
as Most By John Russell

He says "Every last smudge speaks for the high clean windswept air and
the local details, every one of which speaks true. Picasso would say
in later years that Horta had been invaluable to him, and in 1909 he
eagerly went back there. The little picture in the present show is,
therefore, a benchmark in a career that still had 72 years to go."

I say this is the usual BS to get a good price. The picture is an
abomination no better than very average high school art. If it turned
out not to be a genuine Picasso it would be considered garbage

take a look at it at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/12/arts/design/12RUSS.html


Tired of Modern Art? Check out my web page

http://www3.sympatico.ca/manideli/

Nik Maack

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Jul 13, 2002, 9:45:11 PM7/13/02
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Gladys Canby wrote:
> Nik seems to have joined Keith in his denigration
> of my input, so I will henceforth refrain from
> offering any to the over-egotistical Nikeith factions.

I'm a part of a faction now, because of a passing jibe? Poor you --
with skin so thin, being brushed by a passing butterfly wing must
rupture your internal organs.

Anyways, you didn't try to humiliate me for my latest offering:

http://www.nikart.com/newer/57.html

I'll take it that your lack of insult is out of envy. Clearly you've
finally come to terms with my brilliance. Shall I notify you of my
mailing address? That way you can courier to me flowers to place at my
feet, and a laurel to crown my head.

Nik
http://www.nikart.com

Nik Maack

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Jul 13, 2002, 10:00:10 PM7/13/02
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Marilyn Welch wrote:
> Here's an artist who might interest you. He is very successful in
> Vancouver, gets contracts for festivals etc. I find his work more
> graphic design than painting. He has a definite style as you do,
> and he specializes in portraits & humour. His site is AMAZING!
>
> http://www.joeaverageart.com/home.html

Interesting, but I agree that it's more "graphic design" than painting.
You seemed to like the design of the website -- I found it a little
overly elaborate. Too much flash, not enough frying pan. And I hate
when things follow around my mouse, even when it's a big-lipped bee.

I do like his style -- thick black lines containing colour. But it's a
little too clean for my tastes. I like mess.

Despite my negative comments, it's an interesting site with interesting
art. It looks very professional (the art and the site), and my personal
bias against both is probably unreasonable. If it didn't say "oil on
canvas" for his works, I would have assumed they were
computer-generated. Sadly, I have a bias against computer made art.
Not quite sure why. It's always struck me as too "clean", with lines
that don't blur and distort. I know many people like that stuff.

> Your work has a definite original style with a tendency toward pattern
> demonstrated by the many small shapes. These shapes of colour
> are contained in the cloisonné outline. The colours overwhelm the drawing
> elements, but the drawing is also achieved by building up the colours.
> There's an almost 'Australian aboriginal' use of the overuse of white dots.

It may interest you to know that my current work (still in progress) is
all pattern. This is the one I described in another post as being
entirely made of colour. I thought it might be fun to get rid of the
subject matter and just play with dots and colour and a few black lines
here and there.

Needless to say, I'll post a picture of the completed work on my site
someday, although it's somewhat big, and might be difficult to scan on
my flatbed scanner.

> I suggest you jot down some facts about your models on the backs of
> the paintings if their anonymity haunts you.

The strange thing is, I enjoy being haunted.

Nik
http://www.nikart.com

Gladys Canby

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Jul 14, 2002, 11:21:30 AM7/14/02
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In article <3D30BAAB...@islandnet.com>, mwe...@islandnet.com says...


>Kidding aside, how is it in New Mexico these days?
>Were you affected by the smoke from the forest fires?
>
>regards,
>
>Marilyn

Thanks for asking. The art climate is BOOMING this
weekend, along with a few much-needed thunderstorms.
The new gallery in the small community of Carrizozo
sold over $8,000 worth of art yesterday and they
still have today (Sun) to do even better. This
weekend is also the annual Art Loop which has artists
in remote locations of the county opening their
studios for the two days. It's a rather lengthy
drive day if one takes them all in. I have done it
twice in recent years and posted a bunch of pics of last
years various interesting studios. This year I'm
sitting it out since it's the same artists every
year who participate.

As for the fires in Arizona, the smoke eventually
brought everyone in the area days of hazy air.
It wasn't a good time to be out pumping iron,
jogging, or - as I do - bike riding. Cheers.


Gladys Canby

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Jul 14, 2002, 11:28:01 AM7/14/02
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In article <3D30D7A6...@sympatico.ca>, nikm...@sympatico.ca says...

>I'll take it that your lack of insult is out of envy.

I have done my best to give you my honest
critique, never once deliberately insulting
you. In fact it was I who first called
attention in this group to the fact that
you're a better writer than you are a visual
artist. That you take critique from me as
insult is simply a demonstration of
your juvenile attitude in general. That's
why I now lump you together as 'NiKeith.'
Two overgrown adolescents... and forget
about replying to me. I've had my fill of
both of you mini-minded nitwits.


Nik Maack

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Jul 14, 2002, 12:30:21 PM7/14/02
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Gladys Canby wrote:
> That you take critique from me as
> insult is simply a demonstration of
> your juvenile attitude in general.

General Juvenile rode the nile
on a bicycle built for two.
"Salute him!" yelled the crocodiles,
and stood their in the nude.

(Don't be childish, don't be silly,
don't ever, ever smile.
Spend your days eating dirt
and avoid all merry crocodiles.)

General Juvenile rode the nile
on a bicycle built for two.
He licked upon his fish flavoured lolly
and fondled his favorite shoes.

Nik
http://www.nikart.com

Peter H.M. Brooks

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Jul 14, 2002, 4:02:39 PM7/14/02
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"Nik Maack" <nikm...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message

>
> General Juvenile rode the nile
> on a bicycle built for two.
> "Salute him!" yelled the crocodiles,
> and stood their in the nude.
>
> (Don't be childish, don't be silly,
> don't ever, ever smile.
> Spend your days eating dirt
> and avoid all merry crocodiles.)
>
It seems to be a day for crocodiles:

Crocodiles discovered at Heathrow
(Filed: 14/07/2002)

Ten crocodiles have been
discovered in the cargo hold of
a plane at Heathrow, a Customs and
Excise spokesman
said today.

The five-foot-long African dwarf
crocodiles, which are
protected species, were found
alive and well on a plane
en route from Nigeria to Korea.

Documents to prove that the
reptiles, which were packed
in sacks, were genuine exports
were forged. Officials
believe the crocodiles would have
been killed in Korea,
and their skins used for handbags.

Customs and Excise spokesman Nigel
Knott said: "Ten
crocodiles, which are some of the
rarest in the world,
have been picked up by a cargo
team at Heathrow.

"They were bound from Nigeria to
Korea, through
Heathrow. Documents had been
forged to make it look as
though the crocodiles were genuine
exports.

"The crocodiles are on the
Category One sightings list -
which means that they are in
danger of becoming extinct.
They are some of the most
endangered species on the
planet, and ten of them are at
Heathrow."

--
"Whoever puts his hand on me to govern me is a usurper and a tyrant. I
declare him my enemy." - Pierre-Joseph Proudhon


Gladys Canby

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Jul 14, 2002, 7:42:12 PM7/14/02
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In article <3D31A71C...@sympatico.ca>, nikm...@sympatico.ca says...

>General Juvenile rode the nile
>on a bicycle built for two.
>He licked upon his fish flavoured lolly
>and fondled his favorite shoes.
>
> Nik
>http://www.nikart.com

Nik Maack was this young man's name.
Never a worry about his claim of fame.
He never outgrew the training wheels
of his bicycle built for two, and
his seat remained where it was set when new.
He started downhill a long time ago
and without knowledge of brakes continues so.
Ask him about gearing and he'll tell you this,
"On my one-speed the gearing I'll never miss."
My bike's speed is infinite," he'll say,
"I only need pedal faster to make it that way."
And so he sits there, spinning downhill,
pedals now useless regardless his will.
Ever faster he plunges toward judgement day,
when he'll meet his maker and probably say,
"Hey! Don't I know you from somewhere, seems
surely I do. I recall a guy named Keith who
looks just like you." And old Keith will be
so tickled Nik Maack remembers, that he'll
admit him "toll free" to partake of the embers.


Nik Maack

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Jul 14, 2002, 8:39:21 PM7/14/02
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Gladys Canby wrote:
> Nik Maack was this young man's name.
> Never a worry about his claim of fame.
> He never outgrew the training wheels
> of his bicycle built for two, and
> his seat remained where it was set when new.

So, does this mean you're insulting me now? Or, in your own special,
self-deluding way, do you see this as entirely innocent? And you
recently said you didn't have time to talk to people like me -- the race
of Nikeithians, or whatever you call us. Clearly you have more free
time on your hands than you first thought.

My short, simple poem was enough to make your head explode. Cool. I'm
left wondering what would happen if I really tried to get your
attention. I could probably make you do just about anything. Do you
mind if I dabble a little more in the media of you? I'm curious what
other shapes I can force upon the malleable clay of your brain.

Nik
http://www.nikart.com

Leigh

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Jul 14, 2002, 9:39:42 PM7/14/02
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According to the subject line, this is your thread to do with as you
please... but it really doesn't do a thing for your good looks...

L.


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Gladys Canby

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Jul 15, 2002, 10:59:46 AM7/15/02
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In article <3D3219B8...@sympatico.ca>, nikm...@sympatico.ca says...


>So, does this mean you're insulting me now?

You ARE an insult - to what I'll let you guess.

>Clearly you have more free
>time on your hands than you first thought.

You have no idea what I thought or how much
free time I have. But I'll tell you anyway.
I am retired and have been since 1997, and
ALL of my time is free time now - time I can
do with as I please. WHOOPEE! Everyone should
have as many worries as I do...

>I'm curious what
>other shapes I can force upon the malleable clay of your brain.

Headline: Nitwit claims to outwit wittier dimwit!


mdeli

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Jul 15, 2002, 11:30:15 PM7/15/02
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I would say "The Natural Way to Draw" is the most popular drawing book
designed for failures. It contains lots of double talk that sounds
serious until you analyze it. There isn't really much of any
instruction in the book.

Of course many art students love to repeat Nicolaids' famous
statement "THE SOONER YOU MAKE YOUR FIRST FIVE THOUSAND MISTAKES THE
SOONER YOU WILL BE ABLE TO CORRECT THEM. This tells were N's method
will get you. Most students will spend a lifetime at this. By the time
you get to mistake number 3005 and will then need another to correct
them.

Imagine a math teacher telling you to figure out arithmetic and
assuring you that after 5000 adding mistakes you'll be able to correct
them. Is that what a student should expect ?

This book is full of silly suggestions and a vestigial anecdotes. It
also contains many idiotic schedules which are designed to lead the
student to imagine he is making progress. I have to laugh at these. It
is like a music teacher who doesn't know the scales giving you a
schedule which starts with you figuring out how to play Jingle Bells
and ends with Mozart.

I suggest a look at page 34 and the illustration called bulk. It shows
that the author knows nothing about drawing form and is an advocate
of art school sloppiness. I love page 43 as a perfect example of Art
school Garbage-can-ism. Page 79 shows watercolor as bad as can be. For
utter stupidity check out pages 200-202.

Well at least N. allows you to compare the ignorant student crap with
Michaelangelo and Bruegel etc. Any student who has any brains and
compares will have an idea of what he doesn't know and will try to
learn the fundamentals that took generations to figure out.

To summarize a few of the books failures, it conveys no knowledge of:
the geometry of line. light and shade, perspective, how to draw solids
or technique. It does give good examples of how badly most art
students have been taught to draw for the past fifty years.

It essentially conveys the theory of learn by doing, but doing without
knowledge. The book is full of obvious results.

bruin70

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Jul 16, 2002, 11:28:58 PM7/16/02
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so in other words,,,,,you actually READ this book?! :D

keith o'connor (tinmangallery.com

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Jul 17, 2002, 1:17:13 PM7/17/02
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I'll quote you from below: "It does give good examples of how badly most art

> students have been taught to draw for the past fifty years".

Therefore according to your argument teaching methods used before 1952 are
valid.

The first draft of the book was completed just before his death in 1938, and
originally copyrighted in 1941.

According to your logic it is a good book since it presents teaching methods
that are over 50 years old.

Mani you are such a fucking idiot. ( I promised myself not to be so
insulting but it's hard when I see your crap).

keith


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keith o'connor (tinmangallery.com

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Jul 17, 2002, 3:43:05 PM7/17/02
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Why choose a female sounding name ?
M.S. or Gladys - you have the same problem.

RAF will either kill you or make you. It is the best training ground I have
ever encountered. You can be ripped to shreds by some people in RAF
(including me) your ego will lay on the floor in pieces (mine has) .

We all doubt ourselves don't like it when someone else finds our secret
doubts and homes in on them. In the end we have to deal with our doubts and
resolve them before we can grow stronger. We will not survive unless we are
convinced of course.

The choice to run is yours.

I too am retired - but I want my youthful craziness back. Nik can still turn
the world upside down and inside out - I want that creative ability back.
That is why I like Tom Green and the other comics who can turn the world
upside down.

Yes I can be a crazy fucking jerk - but I can also sit and watch a flower
grow. I can call people fucking idiots - and at the same time admire some of
their qualities.

If I may use an old expression - I feel therefor I am.

keith


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mdeli

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Jul 17, 2002, 5:36:29 PM7/17/02
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"keith o'connor wrote:

>I'll quote you from below: "It does give good examples of how badly most art
>> students have been taught to draw for the past fifty years".

This is the sort of irrational twaddle a bonehead like Keith concerns
himself with. Does he answer any of my points? No!

I quote the best thing in years that Marilyn Yente Welch said, "Fuck
off, Keith, you
pompous-ass-non-artist-hobbyist-jerk-resident-blow-hard.

Look at his artwork and you will see the result of 50 years of
teaching failure.


>Therefore according to your argument teaching methods used before 1952 are
>valid.

This conclusion reveals this nincompoop's reasoning abilities.

>The first draft of the book was completed just before his death in 1938, and
>originally copyrighted in 1941.
>
>According to your logic it is a good book since it presents teaching methods
>that are over 50 years old.

Man this guy is dumb!

>
>Mani you are such a fucking idiot. ( I promised myself not to be so
>insulting but it's hard when I see your crap).

I found most artists among the most stupid lot I have met. Most are
ill informed, interested in little more than gossip, and most possess
the rationality abilities of six year olds.

>
>keith
>
>
>mdeli <n...@mail.com> wrote in message

mdeli

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Jul 17, 2002, 5:51:07 PM7/17/02
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(Dan Pedigreed Fox) wrote:

>bru...@mail.com (bruin70) wrote:
>> so in other words,,,,,you actually READ this book?! :D
>

>He does seem to know it page-by-page. Certainly better than I do.

I guess that's all Fox's shallow mind can come up with.

>Mani has also said that he buys every book on Picasso that comes out! (Can
>he be a closet artsy-fartzy?)

Never said it Fox.

Although Fox praises the book at every opportunity you will notice
that he has nothing to say about my points.

Fox is a perfect example of what Nicolaides style drawing instruction
leads to, namely third rate avant-gone wall decoration. Check it out!

keith o'connor (tinmangallery.com

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Jul 17, 2002, 6:28:48 PM7/17/02
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Comparing me to a six year old is a complement - thanks Mani.

<Look at his artwork and you will see the result of 50 years of
> teaching failure.<

Another good one Mani. You are really pissed off with me.

How can I be dumb when you implied that any art instruction book older than
50 years was great. If you get the facts wrong it's your problem.

You screwed up - everyone knows it.

Your writing is loaded with logical fallacies - you don't have the reasoning
system that allows you to arrive a logical concluslion. You're finished.

keith

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ww Bracken

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God your a bore Mani.


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