wildlife art
Elizabeth Palmer
I am just starting out in the world of "selling" my art. I paint animals
mainly wildlife, but being an animal lover I will paint anything that falls
under the heading of animal. I would love to hear from artists, of any type,
who are selling their work. Do you prefer galleries, are prints a good idea,
ideas for selling online.....? Are there any online groups that discus this
subject.....? I am in school now....but have been self taught for ten years.
I use acrylic paint, and am interested in trying oils. All this is new to me,
after doing some "pet portraits" and selling most of my originals I want to
spred my wings a bit and see what I can accomplish. So if anyone would care to
share ideas and thoughts...let me have it :-).....
Thanks......Eppie
pal...@dundee.net
mmw
Larry Seiler wrote:
> snipped
>
> Why not move to Jackson Hole??? Well..the home that sells here for
> $70,000 is on the market in Jackson Hole for $650,000....
>
>
>
>. I will leave you two links
> to see some of my work..the second is my friend developing images for me
> showing sizes of about six samples. Good luck!!!
>
> http://www.onlinecol.com/sd/art/026.htm
> http://www.cwinc.net/larry
>
> Larry lse...@eau.net
Hey Larry,
I just checked out your ego-page and there must be some mistake.
All the animals were dead. Shouldn't you rename your stuff
Wild-DEAD??
As for your portraits? why don't you just stick with the photographs
instead of copying them into paintings and wasting all those art
supplies?
Marilyn
Larry Seiler
Hi Elizabeth..there are not many of us on here..that is wildlife artists
I guess, that I have found. Some of us that paint and sculpt wildlife
professionally that admit to also being hunters quickly find those that
wish to discuss ethics of killing versus art.
Well..good for you. I have been professionally doing wildlife art for
17 years now. I have entered 34 stamp design competitions and wildlife
art competitions...winning a number of them, most recently the Inland
Trout Stamp competition for our state for next year.
Where you live presently and how you are set up seems to be the greater
factors for, wildlife art's boom years were during the Reagan Presidency
years. Collectors spent a fury of money, and artists were in a frenzy
to get into print. Not nearly as many are collecting wildlife art
prints today, and many wildlife artists are diversifying to financially
try and keep afloat. Supply and demand.
I'd becareful sticking any money in prints at this point, though that is
still the main way many sell. To sell those prints, my peers go to
shows that require a $650 booth fee and $300 stay at a plush hotel where
the shows are held! They charge $5-6 per person to enter and view the
show.
You may or may not know, but the average cost of putting an image into
print is $2500-$5000 and then there is the issue of effectively
marketing those prints.
Buyers are becoming choosier, so excellence is key. A friend of mine
once said the key to making good paintings is to do the first 120 bad
ones and get them out of the way. My experience with a number of young
painters..(not knowing you or your work you do not fit in this), is that
after having decided to do wildlife painting and having done a whole
whopping 8 paintings total..they are often looking to be coddled and
patted on the back..when what is needed is such an obsession and passion
to raise your own critical eye and never be satisfied. Good is not
enough when you dream of being best!
I have been doing carvings for a number of years now, and am just
starting to make resin castings of some.
What is my diversification to survive now...well, I have been turning my
attention to landscape paintings which have always and will perhaps
always do well. I figure, heck, landscape paintings are wildlife
paintings minus the wildlife...good practice for me!
It is tough selling work right now. A landscape painting where I live
could fetch $200 whereas 2 hours from here where the Twin Cities of
Minnesota is, the same painting could sell for $650...and then again in
Jackson Hole, Wyoming possibly sell for $2200 or more.
Why not move to Jackson Hole??? Well..the home that sells here for
$70,000 is on the market in Jackson Hole for $650,000....
Thus, I have a major sight in development right now that will put out
over 30 of my works on the internet. I'm hoping that this vehicle will
open marketing opportunities on a larger scale that other ways cannot.
For example, what's the chance of bumping into and talking to you in
person???
I have one sight that shows my work out of Colorado, a sportsmen's
online group. The images are not rich in color, making me believe that
it is a way for a server to save on bytes..but at least they're out
there to be seen until my sight is finished. I will leave you two links
mmw
Wanax wrote:
> Marilyn, shut the f__k up! The man is giving the query serious input, so you show up
> like RoyBvart and start flaming at random. I personally don't give a toot what Larry is
> painting, and this isn't yalls doinkie squabble from the other thread. Let is ride will
> you? Take your crusade over to soc.animals.die.die.die....
>
> As for Larry's answer to the original question, I agree with Larry that animals are not
> in vogue right now; however, consider "where" you attempt to sell prints. New York and
> Montanna are different places for art consumtion. I paint mostly nudes and seascapes,
> so I sell mostly in coastal locations. Location, location, location--the cry of the
> realator is true for artists as well.
>
> Wanax
> I feel like hunting humans sometimes
You can't shut me up. And is that anyway to talk? This is a democracy
- freedom of expresion - remember. And the internet is an anarchy
and controlling-people like you cannot control it, that is probably
why you are so irritated.
You confirm my belief that this newsgroup is over-run with conservative
right-wing aggressive, mercantile males. You rant about modern or
contemporary art because you are only art salesmen, illustrating from
photos, calling yourselves artists.
My only regret is that I bothered to reply to you at all.
You can condemn paintings on velvet while you go on illustrating
and calling it painting. I guess it is good art therapy for you
to get rid of your aggressions, keeps you off the streets...
Wanax
mmw wrote:
>
> Larry Seiler wrote:
>
> > snipped
> >
> > Why not move to Jackson Hole??? Well..the home that sells here for
> > $70,000 is on the market in Jackson Hole for $650,000....
> >
> >
> >
> > to see some of my work..the second is my friend developing images for me
> > showing sizes of about six samples. Good luck!!!
> >
> > http://www.onlinecol.com/sd/art/026.htm
> > http://www.cwinc.net/larry
> >
> > Larry lse...@eau.net
>
>
> I just checked out your ego-page and there must be some mistake.
>
> All the animals were dead. Shouldn't you rename your stuff
>
> Wild-DEAD??
>
> As for your portraits? why don't you just stick with the photographs
> instead of copying them into paintings and wasting all those art
> supplies?
>
> Marilyn
Not necessarily advocating any position on the topic of hunting, I would like to say:
Larry Seiler
mmw wrote:
>
> Larry Seiler wrote:
>
> > snipped
> >
> > Why not move to Jackson Hole??? Well..the home that sells here for
> > $70,000 is on the market in Jackson Hole for $650,000....
> >
> >
> >
> >. I will leave you two links
> > to see some of my work..the second is my friend developing images for me
> > showing sizes of about six samples. Good luck!!!
> >
> > http://www.onlinecol.com/sd/art/026.htm
> > http://www.cwinc.net/larry
> >
> > Larry lse...@eau.net
>
> Hey Larry,
>
> I just checked out your ego-page and there must be some mistake.
>
> All the animals were dead. Shouldn't you rename your stuff
>
> Wild-DEAD??
>
> As for your portraits? why don't you just stick with the photographs
> instead of copying them into paintings and wasting all those art
> supplies?
>
> Marilyn
(YAWN...dribble dribble)..you know, you've missed that open minded
etheral "we are going to get along with everybody" flaky artistic spirit
you were supposed to pick-up in college!
First of all, making all that money doing the art allows me extra money
to buy more licenses so I can go out and kill more of your precious
little understood wildlife!!!
Gee..almost sounds like you have a personal set of ethics for I almost
hear you suggesting that something I have done has offended you or
committed a wrong..you do not state however your basis for which to
judge a right right or wrong wrong and therefore present no criteria why
I should give a flying rip about your opinions!! Cultural relativism,
status quo.."right today" (big enough crowd on-hand to cheer) "wrong
tomorrow" ( bigger crowd to disapprove).....Oh whoopty-do! Guess I'll go
cry cause you don't like what I'm saying or doing.
I should feel honored though..you've bothered to look at my work, and I
haven't even cared enough to even ask about yours!!!
Larry
Larry Seiler
Wanax wrote:
>
> mmw wrote:
> >
>
> Not necessarily advocating any position on the topic of hunting, I would like to say:
>
> Marilyn, shut the f__k up! The man is giving the query serious input, so you show up
> like RoyBvart and start flaming at random. I personally don't give a toot what Larry is
> painting, and this isn't yalls doinkie squabble from the other thread. Let is ride will
> you? Take your crusade over to soc.animals.die.die.die....
>
> As for Larry's answer to the original question, I agree with Larry that animals are not
> in vogue right now; however, consider "where" you attempt to sell prints. New York and
> Montanna are different places for art consumtion. I paint mostly nudes and seascapes,
Wanax...I've been doing a great deal of landscapes lately. My work done
for a living can at times become tedious...and a painterly side of me
yearns for something else. The thicker palette knife, the sense of the
canvas moving in and out with strokes. It's awesome. I also like the
challenge of working on location and the elements, the lighting.
Do you work on location ever with your seascapes...painterly..thick, or
how. I've seen some really cool seascapes, and I respect your passion
for them. My favorite work currently as for viewing are the painterly
Southwestern art works..the bold colors of unique sunsets and sunrises
familiar to that area. I greatly respect the artists that have the
ability to say more painterly with fewer laid brushstokes..a suggestion
of detail. Those works have done a great deal to stretch me, challenge
and help me want to move on in other directions.
Larry
PS..thanks for putting the discussion of art back into a proper emphasis
and perspective!
Larry Seiler
mmw wrote:
>
>
> You can't shut me up. And is that anyway to talk? This is a democracy
> - freedom of expresion - remember.
You self-righteous little twit! You espouse "freedom of speech" and
endeavor to make yourself obnoxiously contentious in everything I have
spoken, paint, or represent because I differ with your worldview. You
lose your own credibility here...
I applaud your little speech here. Almost felt patriotic for a moment
there. Why don't you consider following it....!
Larry
Elizabeth Palmer
In article <33793A...@islandnet.com> mmw <m...@islandnet.com> writes:
>From: mmw <m...@islandnet.com>
>Subject: Re: wildlife art
>Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 21:06:37 -0700
>Wanax wrote:
>
>> Marilyn, shut the f__k up! The man is giving the query serious input, so you show up
>> like RoyBvart and start flaming at random. I personally don't give a toot what Larry is
>> painting, and this isn't yalls doinkie squabble from the other thread. Let is ride will
>> you? Take your crusade over to soc.animals.die.die.die....
>>
>> As for Larry's answer to the original question, I agree with Larry that animals are not
>> in vogue right now; however, consider "where" you attempt to sell prints. New York and
>> Montanna are different places for art consumtion. I paint mostly nudes and seascapes,
>> so I sell mostly in coastal locations. Location, location, location--the cry of the
>> realator is true for artists as well.
>>
>> Wanax
>> I feel like hunting humans sometimes
>You can't shut me up. And is that anyway to talk? This is a democracy
>- freedom of expresion - remember. And the internet is an anarchy
>and controlling-people like you cannot control it, that is probably
>why you are so irritated.
>You confirm my belief that this newsgroup is over-run with conservative
>right-wing aggressive, mercantile males. You rant about modern or
>contemporary art because you are only art salesmen, illustrating from
>photos, calling yourselves artists.
>My only regret is that I bothered to reply to you at all.
>You can condemn paintings on velvet while you go on illustrating
>and calling it painting. I guess it is good art therapy for you
>to get rid of your aggressions, keeps you off the streets...
Wow,.....I am a bit shocked. I guess I am naive or something. I can't imagine
why any one would want to bash some one else's artwork just because the
subject matter disagrees with them. If every one gave vent to those kinds of
feelings I do believe that our art museums would be nothing but bare walls.
The right of free speech is something too special to squander on
this type of criticism. The right of free speech allows anyone to say
anything, but I feel that this freedom is used best when used with restraint
and maturity. I can understand touching base on technique, color theory,
etc,......but doesn't the freedom of speech allow for an artist to choose his
or her own subject matter as well? I really appreciate the
response that Larry and others had to offer.....this was all I was asking for.
Thanks to every one who had something
constructive to say in reply to my post........Eppie
Larry Seiler
Elizabeth Palmer wrote:
>
.....but doesn't the freedom of speech allow for an artist to choose his
> or her own subject matter as well? I really appreciate the
> response that Larry and others had to offer.....this was all I was asking for.
> Thanks to every one who had something
> constructive to say in reply to my post........Eppie
Meant to encourage you when I first posted...I am sorry that conflict
had to follow, and glad that evidently you survived undaunted.
Larry
Wanax
>
> Wanax...I've been doing a great deal of landscapes lately.
What irratates me to no end about landscapes is that doing a mountain scene like Bob
Ross will sell instantly, but taking time to add "artistic" details makes no difference.
I end up painting a mountain in the background with some forest and maybe a lake in the
foreground. It sell, I start drinking :)
> Do you work on location ever with your seascapes.
All the time. I prefer to go on location, do a few watercolors, then recreate the
scenes and varations of same on canvas later at the studio.
I've seen some really cool seascapes, and I respect your passion
> for them.
Even mundain topics appear special at sea :)
My favorite work currently as for viewing are the painterly
> Southwestern art works..the bold colors of unique sunsets and sunrises
> familiar to that area.
I'm an animal of the eastern seaboard. I've been to sea, but I've never been west of
the Mississippi. Perhaps one day I will. I've seen great works in all meduim of the
giant earth erosions, and I like what I see.
I greatly respect the artists that have the
> ability to say more painterly with fewer laid brushstokes..a suggestion
> of detail. Those works have done a great deal to stretch me, challenge
> and help me want to move on in other directions.
the challenge is what keeps me going in art. And possibly why I dislike art like that
of Piccaso. I don't get much challenge from cubism, etc. To me, so-called fine art is
transitory. One of the local art stores has the "Stary Night" copied on the base of the
sales counter; is this flatery? :)
>
> Larry
>
> PS..thanks for putting the discussion of art back into a proper emphasis
> and perspective!
I keep trying, but I think I was a little over mean in my attempt. Marylin can be very
intertaining and lucid, but she seems hell bent on slamming your choice of topics. I
couldn't care less, myself. I often wonder who gets those cool jobs like scetching
scenes inside closed courtrooms for TV news; its not too fine, but it has to pay well...
Wanax
Wanax
> You can't shut me up. And is that anyway to talk? This is a democracy
> - freedom of expresion - remember. And the internet is an anarchy
> and controlling-people like you cannot control it, that is probably
> why you are so irritated.
Sorry I shouldn't have gone off that way. You are right. However, I get tired of
seeing this slamming of chosen subject mater topic in every thread. Larry paints dead
animals, O.K. we get it. Shame on you Larry. Now, please, let us go back to "art" and
not animals.
> You confirm my belief that this newsgroup is over-run with conservative
> right-wing aggressive, mercantile males. You rant about modern or
> contemporary art because you are only art salesmen, illustrating from
> photos, calling yourselves artists.
:"]
I'm not male, I'm not politically affiliated, I'm not a salesman, I don't use
photographs, and don't do traditional art, and that's about it...
> My only regret is that I bothered to reply to you at all.
dialogue is important.
> You can condemn paintings on velvet while you go on illustrating
> and calling it painting. I guess it is good art therapy for you
> to get rid of your aggressions, keeps you off the streets...
;^]
I dislike machine painted originals, yes. I illustrate, you illustrate, we all
illustriously illustrate. What, dear Marylin do you paint??? If it's not an
illustration (which means to bring into light, or illuminate), what is it?
Even Piccaso was an illustrator, and I think he sucked.
Take a close look at Elvis sometime; if you look close, you will see that he is painted
with a series of templates. One for each color. There is no art whatsoever,
illustration or otherwise. Simply lay down your template, spray over it, lift and
replace with the next template, spray and repeat. The reason it is created on velvet is
not only to give the viewer a false sense of depth, but the variated surface of the
meduim dries superquick.
Wanax