I'm sorry if this isn't the right group for this.....
I'd love a critique of my paintings -- go to my website and click on the
"artwork" icon.
Thanks,
>I'm sorry if this isn't the right group for this.....
For what? Trolling or pulling our legs?
>I'd love a critique of my paintings
Sorry - I failed to see anything on your
site that would qualify as "paintings"
much less as "art." This is a joke, right?
Bye.
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"Carol Ott" <cs...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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I suspect your mommy loves having your
juvenile efforts on her refrigerator door.
If I had thought about your age being a
factor, I'd have seen the so-called "art"
differently, perhaps.
Loser.
--Carol
"Jean Pule" <jp...@noemailever.com> wrote in message
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But the Oklahoma Summer landscape was probably the strongest of the group.
In general, based on the group of works you posted, my comment would be to
keep going on the color experiments.
It's pretty obvious that you already have a strong vocabulary, so you must
enjoy playing around with colors. Keep looking
for different kinds of contrasts. When working with transparency, try to
contrast it with opacity and then strike a balance between the two.
Also, shadows or values. Every color has a value. It's the shadows, or
darkness of the colors that bring to your compositions the
opprotunity for illusionistic effects such as atmosphere and volume of forms
in space. A good experiment when working with a
single color is to ask simply, how dark can I mix this color so that it
still retains its identity as a hue? It can be suprising to see the
range of color you can achieve with just a couple yellows and a tube of
black.
Keep going
sketchdude
"Marilyn Welch" <wq...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
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> I liked Carol's work and her website,
> especially Oklahoma Summer and 13.
> Fresh, expressive and original work.
>
> One thing an art teacher or mentor should not do
> is try to kill the enthusiasm of an earnest artist.
> It just makes the 'teacher' look like an old geezer
> and does nothing for the student.
>
> Marilyn
R/U sometimes in alt.graphics.photoshop?
or alt.graphics?
Any wya I like your paintings and I think you should continue working, but you
do need to work.
And it is a idiots delight. ;)
You came here asking for a "critique" of your
work, and I gave you my reaction to what
appeared to me to be some sort of juvenile
joke.
I should certainly know better by now than to respond
to anyone asking for a "critique" since what
that usually means is "please look at my exceptional
work and tell me how wonderful it is!"
And then when they learn what others think
they are too petty to take the criticism for
what it is - "CRITICISM." If you want praise,
go find your mother or someone who wants to
spare your feelings. And grow up before trying
to mingle with adults in what is normally an
adult forum. I keep forgetting that anyone of
any age can and probably does post here. I'll
do my best to factor in age in the future.
--Carol
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Carol Ott wrote:
> No -- I usually go to alt.design.graphics, since I am a commercial artist by
> trade.
>
Then get a grip when you think rec.arts.FINE is going to applaude. Graphic art
is NOT fine art.
Jean Pule was a bit harsh but then again, you were only looking for positive
feedback, correct?
Learn to roll with the punches and to pay your dues. Many of us here are very
jaded because the internet produces far too many people who get a program and
decide they are artists.
--
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? - Who has custard with custard creams?
Major Molesworth Major Rtd. G&T&Bar
Carol Ott wrote:
>
> That's what I don't understand....trolling for what?
Attention :). Ever have a 3 year old in the house? It's much the same
with Jean-or-whatever-his name-is-this-week. Just agree with him, pat
him on the head, and send him on his way....
Cheers;
Chris
And just for the record, paying my dues doesn't entail taking crap off of
little snots who need to get out once in a while. If you have something
constructive to say, fine. Otherwise, move along and find someone else to
attack.
--Carol
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>
>
--Carol
"Peter H.M. Brooks" <pe...@new.co.za> wrote in message
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Jesus Christ -- this is ridiculous. I came to this group because I
mistakenly thought that you all could give me some insight and constructive
criticism. Instead, I've been insulted and spoken to as though I'm 13. So
much for your professionalism.
Well never mind then. Go on prattling on about abstracts, impressionism,
and blah blah blah. I, on the other hand, will be having fun. Remember
fun? Sounds like you people could use a little.
--Carol
"Chris" <bro...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Looking at your paintings.
Ten is monochrome squares and, in this format is fairly uninteresting -
it might be a nice wall hanging in reality.
Twelve is bland and uninteresting.
Daybreak is nice and shows some promise. I think more detail - or some
figure in the foreground would help.
Thirteen, the still life, is nice but naive. I think you should explore
the texture of the subject more. Try acrylic - water-colour is very
difficult in making this sort of picture work.
Oklahoma is good. It has a good secret feel about it. Looking out of the
cave at the distance is good framing. A sense of mystery is there and
the sunrise/sunset colours are well portrayed. An interesting picture -
some good detail too.
Heatstroke is too decorative, not bad colours, but it doesn't say
anything.
Mood2 is very derivative. It might have raised eyebrows in 1890, but it
says nothing today.
Tangerine might be OK as a wall panel in an office.
Fourteen is poor composition. If you want us to see the stars, or the
sky or something you have to arrange it. It has no focus or lead in and
no atmosphere. It looks as if you weren't really trying here.
So, does that help?
Look at my site. http://www.psyche.demon.co.uk and let me know what you
think of my pictures.
Regards,
Peter
brain fart.
>Many of us here are very
> jaded because the internet produces far too many >people who get a program
and
> decide they are artists.
SHEW! Lay off the mental beans, dude.
Did it ever occur to you that the more
amatures who practice art,
with all of their pretentions
and thier clumsiness are likely to go
looking for help from more
experienced artists such as yourself?
Doesn't that create honest to goodness
interest in your own work?
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How is their apparent clumsiness different from that of 'professionals'?
Composition is an interesting question when it comes to abstraction. Do
you think that there are any 'rules'?
That's what your web site claims too.
I wonder how many reading your self-promotion
would hire you based on your web site
presentation? Good luck with your future.
You're going to need it, IMHO. As for
myself, I will return to my rule, broken in
this case, of ignoring all requests for
"critiques" by new posters to this forum,
and let others take the lead in that regard.
Don't know why I got suckered this time.
In so far as "rules", I believe there has to be some in any style, abstract
or not. Colour composition and the placement of shapes -- doesn't there
have to be a certain cohesion? A certain "right" fit? Maybe the rules are
placed by the artist, and not the person viewing the art.
Make any sense at all?
--Carol
"Peter H.M. Brooks" <pe...@new.co.za> wrote in message
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As for your own work, I would have to say that my two favourites are "Pan"
and "Bombed House With Vase". Some of the paintings are
disturbing.....haunting. Pan was both disturbing and amusing. Bombed House
was just a riot of colour that excited me.
The website needs a bit of work, though. I saw some of your
paintings/drawings at the bottom, and I wasn't sure if you meant for them to
be pixelated.....if you need a little advice, please don't hesitate to ask.
--Carol
"Peter H.M. Brooks" <pe...@new.co.za> wrote in message
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It is very difficult to evaluate work on
the web and I don't usually do it but
I'll make an exception.
1) Your work is not dated so it is
difficult for me to see a trend over
time.
2) I have difficulty sensing your
overall aesthetic sense. I can't get a
clear grasp of your space construction
method especially in your more
geometrical works.
You may want to consider taking a look
at a book on Ben Nicholson's works (a
British artist). He did very interesting
work on space construction using urban
colours. Some of your geometrics are
similar except you use more colour. But
he does have a definite aesthetic
approach, which I think you should look
for.
I agree with your evaluation of
'Oklahoma Summer landscape", I would not
consider it one of your best.
take care: keith
Carol Ott wrote:
>
> Hi --
>
> I'm sorry if this isn't the right group for this.....
>
> I'd love a critique of my paintings -- go to my website and click on the
> "artwork" icon.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carol
> http://home.earthlink.net/~csott
Thank you for the suggestion -- I am going to try and find more of her work.
--Carol
"Marilyn Welch" <wq...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
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> Carol,
>
> Try looking up Elizabeth Blackadder, the Scottish painter.
> She has a modernist approach to watercolour painting and
> she sets up some really original compositions in her work.
> It seems to me you might be going in that direction.
>
> A Google search should bring up some digital samples of her
> work. Good luck.
>
> Marilyn
>
>
>
>
Tim S.:
Webster's defines it as this.
Main Entry: crit·i·cism
Pronunciation: 'kri-t&-"si-z&m
Function: noun
Date: 1607
1 a : the act of criticizing usually unfavorably b : a critical observation
or remark c : CRITIQUE
2 : the art of evaluating or analyzing works of art or literature
So, giving a critique doesn't necessarily entail only negative observations
and your original reply was nowhere close to an evaluation. It was an
insult.
Jean:
If you want praise,
> go find your mother or someone who wants to
> spare your feelings. And grow up before trying
> to mingle with adults in what is normally an
> adult forum. I keep forgetting that anyone of
> any age can and probably does post here. I'll
> do my best to factor in age in the future.
>
Tim S.:
Does anyone else find it odd that J.P., although insinuating that the art in
question had zero merit whatsoever, did not provide any support for this
assertion? Usually a critique contains REASONS why it is under par.
So, why waste time flaming when you could either reply with your question of
age (so the critic isn't unduly harsh) or just critique it by your own
standards? Maybe you were having a rough day.
Tim
Regrets;
Chris
Tim S.:
I liked some of your paintings but your shark doesn't look like a shark.
More like an eel. Where's his snout?
Did you use any florescent colors? Some look very florescent.
Tim
Carol Ott wrote:
> No, I wasn't looking for only positive feedback. On the other hand, I
> wasn't looking for sarcastic remarks and nastiness. Do you people talk to
> everyone with rudeness, or just new people?
People here talk with rudeness to anyone. Go to any newsgroup and you'll find
the same. Yes, Jean Pule was rude, but your bitchiness equals his any day.
>
>
> And just for the record, paying my dues doesn't entail taking crap off of
> little snots who need to get out once in a while. If you have something
> constructive to say, fine. Otherwise, move along and find someone else to
> attack.
>
> --Carol
>
You haven't got a chance, honey.
SKETCHDUDE wrote:
>
> brain fart.
Wow! I guess you certainly put me in my place.
>
>
> snip
>
> SHEW! Lay off the mental beans, dude.
> Did it ever occur to you that the more
> amatures who practice art,
> with all of their pretentions
> and thier clumsiness are likely to go
> looking for help from more
> experienced artists such as yourself?
> Doesn't that create honest to goodness
> interest in your own work?
I hate to burst your bubble but there is no shortage of students or artists.
Everyone and their grandmother is one or the other these days.
Carol Ott wrote:
> That's exactly the kind of critique I was looking for -- something a little
> more in-depth than "you suck". Thank you so much for your insight. I've
> been struggling with what direction I want to follow.....hence my request
> for a critique from fine arts people.
>
Any newsgroup will advise you to read posts for a week or two and then to
gradually become part of the group. You are very silly. You received one rude
response and have posted rebuttals for days now. How can you be an artist and
exhibit your work? Do you think any artist has nothing but fans? There will be
other artists, critics and arts professionals that will give harsh criticism to
anyone at any level and if you can't take the heat get out of the studio.
You have 10 paintings on your website? This is a body of work? What dimensions?
Medium?
There are people here at all levels so don't expect the same responses you'd
received from friends and family. Your website is very nicely designed but the
art is not even prominent as you "Things I hate" List. Make some more art. READ
and LEARN about art and artists or no one will take you seriously. Of course
people hate to make art that is a copy of another artist but learning about
artists won't turn you into a clone, it will give you knowledge and so far that
seems to be lacking from both your posts and your site.
Also, you should learn how to write an artist's statement and include it. There
is more about your life then about art.
PS. No resume? Never exhibited?
Like Jean Pule, I rarely look at the "look at my artwork" postings. I won't
repeat this error. It was NOT worth the trip.
Sometimes people do submit their websites under the guise of wanting a
critique -- when all they really want is "hits". Which to me is completely
silly, when it's a personal website and has no commercial value whatsoever.
--Carol
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"Peter H.M. Brooks" <pe...@new.co.za> wrote in message
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+In article <25Xl7.1695$5r.1...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
+cs...@earthlink.net says...
+
+>I'm sorry if this isn't the right group for this.....
+
+For what? Trolling or pulling our legs?
+
+>I'd love a critique of my paintings
+
+Sorry - I failed to see anything on your
+site that would qualify as "paintings"
+much less as "art." This is a joke, right?
Now I'm officially confused.
Wasn't it you who wrote:
++That's so true for most of today's
++"difficult" art, but the average
++dullard still gets their appreciation
++from trite and easily recognized subject
++matter. I agree it takes a greater
++intellect - as well as the open mind -
++to appreciate the "difficult" stuff.
So much for open-mindedness.
Andy D.
"I'm a great speller - but a hopless tpyist!"
Also there is no use in re inventing the wheel. Seek out other artists whose
work you admire. Study art history. Your style is already influenced whether
you recognize it or not.
Dale
+Carol Ott wrote:
+
+> No -- I usually go to alt.design.graphics, since I am a commercial artist by
+> trade.
+>
+
+Then get a grip when you think rec.arts.FINE is going to applaude. Graphic art
+is NOT fine art.
+
+Jean Pule was a bit harsh but then again, you were only looking for positive
+feedback, correct?
+
+Learn to roll with the punches and to pay your dues. Many of us here are very
+jaded because the internet produces far too many people who get a program and
+decide they are artists.
Many of us here are jaded because art today seems to be about doing the
least possible with as little skill or foresight as one can muster, then
hiring a great publicist to market the work at great expense to the most
gullible curator.
After decades of seeing museums hanging "canvases" covered in almost
anything an "artist" could throw at them, I find it hard to believe
software is going to make art seem easier or more accessible to anyone.
>So much for open-mindedness.
You'll be hard pressed to find anyone
more open-minded than I am. My taste
in art is VERY eclectic. But you
need to look closely at this person's
"invitation" to "critique" and what
is said about the very minimal number
of "art works" on the web site. MOST
of them are DIGITAL IMAGES (well, in
fact all are) that were created from
scratch using minimal computer skills
that any child could do better, IMHO!
And that's why I reacted the way I did.
To call these minimal efforts "art work"
is a bit of a stretch, IMHO! But others
disagree and that's fine - disagreement
is nothing new to this forum.
--
SKETCHDUDE
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"Jean Pule" <jp...@noemailever.com> wrote in message
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As far as my computer skills go, I think mine can go head to head with
anyone here. I've been doing this for a long time (working with computers
and digital art).
--Carol
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--Carol
"andrew" <and...@no.mail> wrote in message news:3B9D4F8E...@no.mail...
+In article <right-10090...@i165-133.nv.iinet.net.au>,
+right@the_end.of.my_tether says...
+
+>So much for open-mindedness.
+
+You'll be hard pressed to find anyone
+more open-minded than I am. My taste
+in art is VERY eclectic. But you
+need to look closely at this person's
+"invitation" to "critique" and what
+is said about the very minimal number
+of "art works" on the web site. MOST
+of them are DIGITAL IMAGES (well, in
+fact all are) that were created from
+scratch using minimal computer skills
+that any child could do better, IMHO!
So you're not a fan of Pollock, Rothko and a vast array of other so-called
"artists" who also produce works that would easily be copied by any child
who was allowed near the paint shed?
[snip]
>So you're not a fan of Pollock, Rothko and a vast array of other so-called
>"artists" who also produce works that would easily be copied by any child
>who was allowed near the paint shed?
I am in indeed. And to tell you why would
require me to reinvent art criticism of
the past fifty years. If you can't understand
the implications of these artists on the
larger world of art, then you have a problem,
not me.