Is Bouguereau in Art history textbooks now?
Richard
I'm gonna have to take Art History, so I want to know if he and his
fellow artists are mentioned in the current textbooks.
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Mani Deli
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>I'm gonna have to take Art History, so I want to know if he and his
>fellow artists are mentioned in the current textbooks.
>
I doubt it. But why take my word for it. Find the name of the text and
check it out in the library.
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Heywood Jablowme
conspiracies. Mani is the onley one here or anywhere else who recognizes
the big consipiracies that push some artists and not the great ones like the
heroes bougeareau and rockwell and dont forget leroy neiman and Peter Max.
People hate them because they MAKE MONEY. They make money becasu they apeal
to the common people. everyone is in one the conspiraces as mani says and
they DO laugh at the stupid people who buy and pay and pay and pay
They talk about sentiment being bad, like the sentiment in bougereau and
rocikwell - well I ask you this appeals to the common man like the Movie
Titanic or singers like madonna and prince and maria carey (but not lately).
If you appeal to lots of common people you are GOOD and make MONEY and thats
why all these commie bastards hate you --- it is ENVY as mani and richard
say.
I went to the artrenewl sight and it rules. Commie Foxx says it run by an
engieneer- well i ask you --- engineers are smart and know what is good more
so than hippie freaks with their stupid shit art.
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Richard
On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:54:49 -0400, Mani Deli <mani...@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
>I doubt it. But why take my word for it. Find the name of the text and
>check it out in the library.
I'll check out the college bookstore next week.
augart
> Bouguereau is NOT in most art books!!! and this is another showing of the
> conspiracies. Mani is the onley one here or anywhere else who recognizes
> the big consipiracies that push some artists and not the great ones like the
> heroes bougeareau and rockwell and dont forget leroy neiman and Peter Max.
> People hate them because they MAKE MONEY. They make money becasu they apeal
> to the common people. everyone is in one the conspiraces as mani says and
> they DO laugh at the stupid people who buy and pay and pay and pay
>
> They talk about sentiment being bad, like the sentiment in bougereau and
> rocikwell - well I ask you this appeals to the common man like the Movie
> Titanic or singers like madonna and prince and maria carey (but not lately).
> If you appeal to lots of common people you are GOOD and make MONEY and thats
> why all these commie bastards hate you --- it is ENVY as mani and richard
> say.
>
> I went to the artrenewl sight and it rules. Commie Foxx says it run by an
> engieneer- well i ask you --- engineers are smart and know what is good more
> so than hippie freaks with their stupid shit art.
Good painters make money, bad painters make money. Sometimes good
painters don't make money. Sometimes bad painters don't make money
either. There are times when painters that made money don't make money
any longer. Sometimes good artists are bad artists and bad ones are
good ones. There is also a possibillity that bad ones are bad and
will never make money the same with good ones.
WILLIAM PALMER
"Heywood Jablowme" <hey...@lifedeath.com> wrote in message
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I have noticed that myself, and I understand your feelings. Although
I find Bougereau's art very appealing, another artist, a personal favorite,
of mine, Fernand Knopff, is also unreasonably neglected. Although
Knopff was a symbolist, rather than an academican like Bourgereau,
Knopff also had a masterful style. And since I love symbolism,
the way Knopff handled enigmatic aspects of the human condition,
the mysteries of our existence, so to speak, fascinates me greatly.
He did not have the answers (any more than anyone else does)
but he did a lovely job of depicting the eternal questions.
Anyway, while you will find some reproductions of Knopff's
work in any good book on symbolism, you won't find any
monograms about him, at least I have never been able to.
It's a shame, because there are thousands of art books.
focusing on far lesser talents.
>and this is another showing of the
> conspiracies. Mani [...]
Mani is gifted with quite a few perceptions than others, unfortunately,
lack. He was trying to educate people about Bourgereau before
most readers here had even heard of him. I have tried to do
something of the same regarding Knopff, but have not been
anywhere near as persistent as Mani has been. Bougereau
and Knopff are both GIANTS of art, and it is almost a crime
the way have been neglected.
> is the onley one here or anywhere else who recognizes
> the big consipiracies that push some artists and not the great ones like
the
> heroes bougeareau and rockwell and dont forget leroy neiman and Peter Max.
> People hate them because they MAKE MONEY. They make money becasu they
apeal
> to the common people.
As far as Knopff, I don't know if he gave two hoots about the common
people, yet his work has a distinctly universal quality that could
potentially
appeal to just about everyone, cetainly anyone who has pondered the
mysteries of life and death. Yet, don't understand me to suggest
that Knopff painted for the upper classes, who generally preferred
"safe and sane" art that did not trouble the viewer with too many
enigmas. You mentioned the commies, and of course they too
would have been utterly opposed to Knopff's art, because
while it was beautifully representational, it lacked the sort
of realism that the commies demanded. (The Russian
communists made life hellish for one of their own
symbolists, the great Mikhail Vrubel, another favorite
of mine He achieved a greatness that every Russian
should be proud of, but because the communists made
him so obscure, his work--so I have been told--still
is not widely recognized in Russia. The first time I really
took a look at a nice reproduction of Vrubel's "Demon,"
it left me stunned. This is not some spook-movie
demon, but--in my view--an unleashed human mind
contemplating the shackles society has placed on it.)
alt.genius.bill-palmer
wil...@ix.netcom.com
>everyone is in one the conspiraces as mani says and
> they DO laugh at the stupid people who buy and pay and pay and pay
>
> They talk about sentiment being bad, like the sentiment in bougereau and
> rocikwell - well I ask you this appeals to the common man like the Movie
> Titanic or singers like madonna and prince and mari carey (but not
John Ng
Weissman. A few earlier books do have some mention of him but it is
more derogatory than serious.
However, you would be quite surprised that there are now some positive
remarks made of Bouguereau in the newest releases of art books because
of the recent high prices of his paintings (averaging half to a
million each).
Unfortunately, it would be quite a while before any heavy weight books
are written about him like those written about Picasso and Cezanne.
This is simply because most authors are too lazy to do real research.
It is easier to copy from other books and state the facts from
duplicated sources so that plagiarism is eliminated. (In writing
about Picasso, you can almost copy the content of another book and
work only on rephrasing the sentences and get away with plagiarism
since there are so many books saying the same thing!)
So the number of books out in the market is not a reflection of how
good the painter is.
John Ng
ART RENEWAL ADVOCATE
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WILLIAM PALMER
"John Ng" <pigsm...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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That's for sure, and one sees it easily enough with respect to
Symbolism. While of course there are many books on
Symbolists like Gauguin, who were part of other movements
as well as symbolism, there are a distressing number of
outstanding and intriguing Symbolists who apparently have
never been honored with a monograph. You don't have
to take my word for it. Just pick up any well-illustrated
book on Symbolism and see if you don't agree.
alt.genius.bill-palmer
wil...@ix.netcom.com
Mani Deli
>There is to date only one book entirely on Bouguereau by Fiona
>Weissman. A few earlier books do have some mention of him but it is
>more derogatory than serious.
The best of B. can be seen on the net in detail beyond any book. ARC
also has far more information than any book. I believe the net is
almost the only place where real information on the best of 19th
century art can be found.
...no skill no art!